CamSense new Terms&Conditions - Page 4 - Beer and Bollocks

johnnyborga · 02-09-10, 02:50 AM

sorry I meant general

Pandemos · 02-09-10, 10:01 AM

So, if you don't have five 'qualified spenders' in a month, you lose all your commissions? If that's accurate, it's pretty harsh, but if that's a policy they want to introduce going forward then that's up to them, nobody has to promote them.

However, I doubt there's a court anywhere which would think it fair you could lose commissions from customers referred prior to the revised T&Cs because it's quite clearly a breach of the contract formed when those customers first registered.

While the company is perfectly entitled to change its T&Cs at any time, changing T&Cs CANNOT alter the terms of contracts entered into before the change. If it could, it would render the very concept of a contract meaningless.

Presumably though someone has made a calculation that the people who will get cut-off probably aren't going to challenge this in the courts...

johnnyborga · 02-09-10, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Pandemos

So, if you don't have five 'qualified spenders' in a month, you lose all your commissions? If that's accurate, it's pretty harsh, but if that's a policy they want to introduce going forward then that's up to them, nobody has to promote them.

However, I doubt there's a court anywhere which would think it fair you could lose commissions from customers referred prior to the revised T&Cs because it's quite clearly a breach of the contract formed when those customers first registered.

While the company is perfectly entitled to change its T&Cs at any time, changing T&Cs CANNOT alter the terms of contracts entered into before the change. If it could, it would render the very concept of a contract meaningless.

Presumably though someone has made a calculation that the people who will get cut-off probably aren't going to challenge this in the courts...

Yes you are right, it's up to them if they decided to steal from us. I dont believe courts would solve this, what I believe is that they made a calculation about how much they would loose in new signups by kicking out lots of affiliates and how much they will earn stealing their comissions. They probably found it would be positive to them loosing the affiliates and steal their comissions. I just hope they are wrong

royalblue · 02-09-10, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Pandemos

Presumably though someone has made a calculation that the people who will get cut-off probably aren't going to challenge this in the courts...

Spot on, especially since the terms are governed by Hong Kong law.

royalblue · 02-09-10, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by johnnyborga

sorry I meant general

Couldn't find the posts, guess they have been removed.!

johnnyborga · 02-09-10, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by royalblue

Couldn't find the posts, guess they have been removed.!

last replie of page 3, but nevermind, it probably was a bad idea

Pandemos · 02-09-10, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by royalblue

Spot on, especially since the terms are governed by Hong Kong law.

That doesn't really mean anything. They're trading worldwide so can be taken to court anywhere where their affiliates are based. The difficulty comes in enforcing any judgement.

johnnyborga · 02-09-10, 12:10 PM

They wont last long, they choose the wrong way and will burry themselves

Damian · 02-09-10, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnyborga

They wont last long, they choose the wrong way and will burry themselves

I'm sure they are shitting themselves.

JT · 02-09-10, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by royalblue

http://www.ccnetwork.com/index.html

I like the bit where it says '25% commission on sales....Forever'

anyone know anyhting about Hong Kong law?

Well I know you have as about as much chance forcing them to pay you in Hong Kong as you do where they are all actually based, which is in Russia and the Ukraine.

Dont want to be the bearer of bad news, but you have been knocked, dont waste your time throwing good money or energy after bad.

JT · 02-09-10, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Damian

I'm sure they are shitting themselves.

I went out to lunch one with the bloke from 3 way cash, your mate, whotshisname, and a bird who worked at camcontacts, or did till they made her redundent and moved to russia.

All she ate was treacle pudding, odd girl.

royalblue · 02-09-10, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JT

Well I know you have as about as much chance forcing them to pay you in Hong Kong as you do where they are all actually based, which is in Russia and the Ukraine.

Dont want to be the bearer of bad news, but you have been knocked, dont waste your time throwing good money or energy after bad.

We know that. We are pissed off, this is a way of venting our anger. Not as good as a kick in the teeth, but these forums do prevent violence sometimes. It will wear off soon and we will be pissed off at someone else.

royalblue · 02-09-10, 01:51 PM

previous edit: wrong forum and wrong poster, apologies!

Gnomick · 02-09-10, 03:27 PM

My CamSense.com, CamContacts.com ... account (179055) was deleted today (after 8 or 9 years advertisement for them)

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My it is possible to get the money what they owe to me by a court, but doesn't matter ... I prefer to spend the money what it will cost into "bad" advertisement for them, it is more funny for me.

Pandemos · 02-09-10, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnyborga

They wont last long, they choose the wrong way and will burry themselves

On the other hand, the prospect of losing recurring commissions would surely give any affiliate a moment of pause before switching to another cam provider, so it does kind of lock them in to CamSense, rather than drive them away.

Gnomick · 02-09-10, 05:48 PM

Yes, you are right... BUT ... If they will change her mind in the next days again back to what they have provided to us in the past ... For me it is not possible to go back to them, because I have lost my confidence into this company.

Pandemos · 02-09-10, 06:03 PM

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For me it is not possible to go back to them, because I have lost my confidence into this company.

It's not possible for you to go back to them because they deleted your account

Gnomick · 02-09-10, 06:20 PM

Yes :-)

Because I have told it for them.

And this is a sign for me that they do not think about to change it back... just for information to all.

If they are really Russians/Ukrainians - like someone said here - they never will change their mind again, this is what I can tell after 52 times Russia, and 4 years of living in Ukraine (as a German). They are too greedy and they everytime tink that they do not need you - after a time.

Camsensatemyhamster · 02-09-10, 06:24 PM

I've been reading the comments on here after a search today.
I have also had payments cancelled and account deactivated.

On the issue of 'class actions' the previous comment regarding contracts is correct and there appears to be grounds for legal recourse.

If you do your own research into the matter and find the same I believe there is very strong case for a class action.

Any further comments welcomed.

Gnomick · 02-09-10, 07:09 PM

What the hell is a "class action", I am German native :-(

02-09-10, 10:01 AM	#62
Pandemos Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 2,364	So, if you don't have five 'qualified spenders' in a month, you lose all your commissions? If that's accurate, it's pretty harsh, but if that's a policy they want to introduce going forward then that's up to them, nobody has to promote them. However, I doubt there's a court anywhere which would think it fair you could lose commissions from customers referred prior to the revised T&Cs because it's quite clearly a breach of the contract formed when those customers first registered. While the company is perfectly entitled to change its T&Cs at any time, changing T&Cs CANNOT alter the terms of contracts entered into before the change. If it could, it would render the very concept of a contract meaningless. Presumably though someone has made a calculation that the people who will get cut-off probably aren't going to challenge this in the courts... __________________ Danni Pandemos Make us an offer for our femdom/fetish niche banner spots!

02-09-10, 06:24 PM	#79
Camsensatemyhamster New User Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1	Legalities I've been reading the comments on here after a search today. I have also had payments cancelled and account deactivated. On the issue of 'class actions' the previous comment regarding contracts is correct and there appears to be grounds for legal recourse. If you do your own research into the matter and find the same I believe there is very strong case for a class action. Any further comments welcomed.

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02-09-10, 02:50 AM	#61
johnnyborga Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Portugal Posts: 16	sorry I meant general

02-09-10, 12:10 PM	#68
johnnyborga Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Portugal Posts: 16	They wont last long, they choose the wrong way and will burry themselves

02-09-10, 01:51 PM	#73
royalblue Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 18	previous edit: wrong forum and wrong poster, apologies!

02-09-10, 03:27 PM	#74
Gnomick Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 28	My CamSense.com, CamContacts.com ... account (179055) was deleted today (after 8 or 9 years advertisement for them) Enter your Webmaster ID and your password at the top of the screen to sign in. Error: Invalid username/password My it is possible to get the money what they owe to me by a court, but doesn't matter ... I prefer to spend the money what it will cost into "bad" advertisement for them, it is more funny for me.

02-09-10, 05:48 PM	#76
Gnomick Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 28	Yes, you are right... BUT ... If they will change her mind in the next days again back to what they have provided to us in the past ... For me it is not possible to go back to them, because I have lost my confidence into this company.

02-09-10, 06:20 PM	#78
Gnomick Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 28	Yes :-) Because I have told it for them. And this is a sign for me that they do not think about to change it back... just for information to all. If they are really Russians/Ukrainians - like someone said here - they never will change their mind again, this is what I can tell after 52 times Russia, and 4 years of living in Ukraine (as a German). They are too greedy and they everytime tink that they do not need you - after a time.

02-09-10, 07:09 PM	#80
Gnomick Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 28	What the hell is a "class action", I am German native :-(