404 traffic

[Antony]

What do you all do with 404 traffic?......

[Cardinal_Sin]

What do you all do with 404 traffic?......

404 traffic is my biggest earner - Will expand on why later today - Just skimming through at the moment.

[JT]

I send all mine to trades and to mini free sites

[RicardoB]

I feed my CJ network with it, wich in turn feeds my TGP network and that feeds my landing pages :D

[Guest]

I direct my 404 traffic to my blog, but now that I think about it, it might make more sense to send it over to my new pay site instead.

[SGS]

Collect it, filter it, use it.

[Cardinal_Sin]

Collect it, filter it, use it.


Exactly - And make a decent profit from it.

2 ways of getting 404 - Removing galleries is great especially if you are not to bothered by getting banned everywhere - The second way is by design - Not numbering galleries 1,2,3,4 etc, but 1,3,5,7 - A lot of surfers like to sniff round for free stuff and I like to make cash out of these -
My 404 pages are very simple - Looks like I am giving stuff away, but I am not -
1) I have a few buttons direct to pay sites (mine)
2) Links to partner sites
3) Links to parked domains (Linked to tempt surfers to click because I can make as much as 200 Euros per 1000 clicks)
4) Links to sell traffic - Not as good as above, but still every surfer makes me something.
5) Links to ppv videos - Again, not a great amount made here, but it's all extra cash.

There are better ways for certain, but my way makes me a load and I haven't looked into it any deeper to see where I can improve things.

[RicardoB]

3) Links to parked domains (Linked to tempt surfers to click because I can make as much as 200 Euros per 1000 clicks)

Interesting would you care to elaborate on that some more?

Thx!

[Antony]

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[Cardinal_Sin]

Interesting would you care to elaborate on that some more?

Thx!

This works through my parked domains - (Domains that get either a lot of typein traffic or simply generate some search engine traffic that is not keyword friendly to my needs!
The domains are parked with parking sites and each time the domain is called up, the pages show links which companies pay for - Each click can be worth from 3 - 50 cents

[Cardinal_Sin]

cardinal sin do you use icq? 109-825-688

7915057 - (Not today, tho - Shitloads of videos to sort out)

[Rosie]

Absolutely nothing :)

[cock-a-leekie]

Absolutely nothing :)

Agreed, but this may depend on whether you're promoting sponsors or your own pay site. It's a mentality thing, if a sponsor isn't converting you'll direct the traffic elsewhere - to another sponsor. However, if the pay site you own isn't converting, you change the site until it does.

Bearing this in mind, I send my 404 back to my index page. Why would I want to send it anywhere else? If I were earning more from click-through or sponsors I'd be thinking there's something very wrong with my own site. The way I look at it is if I get a sign-up from my 404 (which is unlikely) then cool - 100% of the sale goes to me. If the 404 is just shitty traffic then by sending it to my .index or .home page it will most likely leave via one of my links, helping to further promote the site anyway. I'd never pull a gallery to re-direct the 404, why do that? the gallery should be converting anyway. Besides, that's not good business practice. Why go burning bridges?

[daveydude]

All our 404 goes to our TGP. It's great feeder traffic for keeping the trades going.

[JT]

Agreed, but this may depend on whether you're promoting sponsors or your own pay site. It's a mentality thing, if a sponsor isn't converting you'll direct the traffic elsewhere - to another sponsor. However, if the pay site you own isn't converting, you change the site until it does.

Bearing this in mind, I send my 404 back to my index page. Why would I want to send it anywhere else? If I were earning more from click-through or sponsors I'd be thinking there's something very wrong with my own site. The way I look at it is if I get a sign-up from my 404 (which is unlikely) then cool - 100% of the sale goes to me. If the 404 is just shitty traffic then by sending it to my .index or .home page it will most likely leave via one of my links, helping to further promote the site anyway. I'd never pull a gallery to re-direct the 404, why do that? the gallery should be converting anyway. Besides, that's not good business practice. Why go burning bridges?

It depends on where you are getting you're 404 traffic from. If its created on purpose from someone who has seen a sample or gallery and has no intention of signing up to you're paysite, then sending to you're pay site index page is a waiste. If may be worth sending to a trade to get back more qualified traffic

[Cardinal_Sin]

All our 404 goes to our TGP. It's great feeder traffic for keeping the trades going.

Of course it is - But - The profit I make from 404 I could easly buy a million surfers a day to send to one or even all of my tgps and I still pocket a sizable cash profit.

[cock-a-leekie]

It depends on where you are getting you're 404 traffic from. If its created on purpose from someone who has seen a sample or gallery and has no intention of signing up to you're paysite, then sending to you're pay site index page is a waiste. If may be worth sending to a trade to get back more qualified traffic

So what you're saying is, if you trade links with me you'll send me "purposely created traffic that has no intention of signing up to a pay site" in return for my quality traffic that I worked hard for. Hmmmm, no thanks.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it works for you but I don't burn bridges, if someone was doing that to me & I found out about it I'd never trade with them again. Since I'm in this for the long term I'd rather build a reputation of straight dealing.

[JT]

So what you're saying is, if you trade links with me you'll send me "purposely created traffic that has no intention of signing up to a pay site" in return for my quality traffic that I worked hard for. Hmmmm, no thanks.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it works for you but I don't burn bridges, if someone was doing that to me & I found out about it I'd never trade with them again. Since I'm in this for the long term I'd rather build a reputation of straight dealing.

Most people look at trades dependent on productivity. If your trade script shows high productivity from a trade, then the trade will grow. Its nothing personal. If your 404 traffic is productive then why wouldnt any trade want it? All trades want is productive traffic if your 404 traffic is productive then there is no reason not to send it to trades. No burning bridges, just using productive traffic to feed productive trades :)

[cock-a-leekie]

Most people look at trades dependent on productivity. If your trade script shows high productivity from a trade, then the trade will grow. Its nothing personal. If your 404 traffic is productive then why wouldnt any trade want it? All trades want is productive traffic if your 404 traffic is productive then there is no reason not to send it to trades. No burning bridges, just using productive traffic to feed productive trades :)

Like I say, I'm sure it works for you but I have no interest in sending purposely targeted bad 404 with cgi id to push my rank up on other sites. This is effectively a blind link and it fucks things up for everyone (apart from the guys who are doing the dirty deed that is)

Ok, I know this kind of thing goes on and it's just a fact of life. People will do what ever they have to do in order to get good traffic themselves and if it means sending out shit in return to do it, well so be it, we all need to make a living and it's dog-eat-dog da-de-da-de-da.

Maybe I would too if I was a traffic master pushing affiliate programs, but I'm not. I'm a content producer and the only place I want traffic to go is to my .index pages. I'll leave the politics of traffic shuffling to the affiliates to do and for my own promotion that convers, well I'll just take the full 100%, ta very much. :)

I guess that's the whole point of having affiliates, they do their job, I do mine.

[Shandy McAndy]

targeted bad 404 with cgi id to push my rank up on other sites.

If it was bad unproductive traffic it wouldnt do anything for trades. As trades work on productivity. 404 traffic can be very productive and so trades would be more than happy to get it.

Thats what some of us are saying, 404 traffic isnt bad it can be good infact very good

[cock-a-leekie]

If it was bad unproductive traffic it wouldnt do anything for trades. As trades work on productivity. 404 traffic can be very productive and so trades would be more than happy to get it.

Thats what some of us are saying, 404 traffic isnt bad it can be good infact very good


I agree. Any quality traffic is worth trading, that's the whole point of linking right?

But that's not what JT said, he said "If its created on purpose from someone who has seen a sample or gallery and has no intention of signing up to you're paysite, then sending to you're pay site index page is a waiste. If may be worth sending to a trade to get back more qualified traffic"

Well if you know this traffic you're getting has no intention of singing-up why are you targeting it in the first place? Simple, to trade it with quality traffic that does convert!

Actively seeking poor non-converting possibly non-related traffic in order to trade with, isn't something I'd want to advertise doing. It's only productive for the perpetrator.

Am I missing something here?

[JT]

I agree. Any quality traffic is worth trading, that's the whole point of linking right?

But that's not what JT said, he said "If its created on purpose from someone who has seen a sample or gallery and has no intention of signing up to you're paysite, then sending to you're pay site index page is a waiste. If may be worth sending to a trade to get back more qualified traffic"

Well if you know this traffic you're getting has no intention of singing-up why are you targeting it in the first place? Simple, to trade it with quality traffic that does convert!

Actively seeking poor non-converting possibly non-related traffic in order to trade with, isn't something I'd want to advertise doing. It's only productive for the perpetrator.

Am I missing something here?

Yes you are missing something. :) Productive traffic is productive if the surfer clicks alot of links on a tgp, cj or any other type of site with a trading script. Selling to a surfer is only a small part of running a tgp, cj or free site. Having the sufer clicking alot of links before he leaves is just as, if not more important to the tgp owner so his site grows.

If you create 404 traffic from galleries, then it can be very productive to a tgp. So therefore productive also to those you trade with. Plus who's to say that the surfer you now have at your tgp who didnt buy from you're gallery, wont buy from another gallery on you're site? Or you're trading partners site?

The way traffic trading scripts work is that, if as you suggest 404 traffic is only productive to the person generating it, then the trading script of you're trading partner wouldn,t send back productive traffic, and so no one looses.

[cock-a-leekie]

Thanks for explaining, I think I see what you mean now :)

This should explain why I didn't get what you were saying and why I don't have anywhere else to send my 404 :

As yet I don't run TGP's or free sites, nor do I promote sponsors. I make money by shooting my own content and then selling it exclusively via my own websites. Some promotion is done by me, most is done by my affiliates.

I may well branch out in the future and promote sponsors, run a tgp, free sites etc. It looks very interesting! :)

[Cardinal_Sin]

Thanks for explaining, I think I see what you mean now :)

This should explain why I didn't get what you were saying and why I don't have anywhere else to send my 404 :

As yet I don't run TGP's or free sites, nor do I promote sponsors. I make money by shooting my own content and then selling it exclusively via my own websites. Some promotion is done by me, most is done by my affiliates.

I may well branch out in the future and promote sponsors, run a tgp, free sites etc. It looks very interesting! :)

Dealing in 404 isn't done by many webmasters because, quite simply, they haven't got a clue.
SGS had it all in a nutshell when he said: collect it, filter it, use it - He could also have easily added make a fucking whole business out of it -
If you want to build up traffic to a cj or tgp, what is the best traffic for doing so?
My guess would be those surfers who do not have ways of paying online and are out to get all the free stuff - Get them onto your cj site and they become click happy - Filter out your cn, pl ru traffic to that cj site and watch it grow as the fuckers click everywhere.
Using western traffic for this is, quite simply, wasting a bloody good chance to make a load of cash -
Sure, some of those other 404 surfers buy memberships - Give them that choice.
Some dont - Make out of those, too -
And the maths is damn simple - How much does it cost to purchase traffic for tgp building? 10 dollars a thousand or even much less - 1 cent each -
You can make up to 50 cents for each of those surfers sending that traffic to any site using something like an adword programme - Fact is, you can even make a few dollars for a click -
Is the penny beginning to drop yet?

[Rosie]

Dealing in 404 isn't done by many webmasters because, quite simply, they haven't got a clue.


Feck you :onguard:

Another reason could be that 404 wouldn't be much use to them couldn't it?