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Cardinal_Sin
02-28-07, 10:02 PM
The adult business is wide open for anyone to pick up a camera or video and set up a pay site or free referral site - The end game being cash.

Introducing yourself to a board and coming over as a know-it-all and a big mouth to boot is fine by those of us who have been doing this sort of work for several years - We all know the likes of Aaron M, Sleazy, 12 clicks, Serge to name just a few who use arrogance to move themselves up the cash ladder.

Learning by mistakes is something all of us have had to do to get this far - But this guy clearly didn't listen - Moreover, he came back with a distinct lack of foresight and argued his case alarmingly incorrectly.

Using terms such as rape on your website shows an ignorance at the highest level - Surely an idiot would know that paycom, ccbill and others were turned over badly by visa a few years back and now HAVE to ensure they are only processing for sites that adhere to there strict guidelines?

In a way, I am a grandfather webmaster. Having been running pay sites since the halcyon days of the early nineties. That doesn't make me a know all. I am still learning my trade - But, over those years I have been plying my trade I have seen just about everything -

Yes - There is still a quick buck to be made in this business - And yes, there are still holes that need filling to stop those who attempt to bend the rules to make that quick buck.

There are only two ways to make cash in the adult biz -
1) As a referrer, you work your socks off to get as much traffic as possible, and you send to a group of sponsors who you know will be around long enough to pay you
2) You run a pay site and realise it is not the amount of joins you get on a daily basis that counts, but how many of those joins convert for 3-4-5-6 months or longer.

If we, as a group of webmasters, point out someone is doing something more than just a little bit dodgy, we owe it to our own futures to try and put that person right. If that person chooses not to listen, then that person could have a severe negative affect on all of our future earnings -

He could, at the outset, have an affect on government legislation causing His Tonyness to decree running all UK adult websites are now illegal -

Far fetched? Well, do a little research and you will see many idiots have caused the law to be changed -

25 years ago, my daughter was a seven year old girl, and had to spend a frightening weekend in the Police station having been raped by a nonce called Tim Banks from Ilfracombe - The only reason I add this to my thread is simple - Tim Banks was warned by the Police many times about his behaviour towards children - He didn't listen and eventually took things too far - Had he listened, my daughter, who is 32 in March, would, most probably be married and happy now - She isn't and never will be.

Pleasureville, too, chose to ignore all the warnings. If one of us here chose to inform the Police, or Paycom - Fine by me.
The law stands up for people like you and me. It works best, when we use it correctly. If we let one bad apple into the basket - It will not corrupt the rest in the slightest - But do nothing about it, then taint the rest it surely will do.

Cardinal_Sin
02-28-07, 10:49 PM
However, there is a slippery slope. Guys like Serge have used threats of calling the IRS and other government law enforcement organisations as bully boy tactics. When these dramatic threads get hot and heavy all kinds of things can spin out of control. I think if you really believe someone is bad for the business, deal with it privately. There are way too many threats of legal action, or cheap legal action (ie: reporting to billers or police) on boards. This is the first time I have seen someone knocked out of the park because of a board. Whether he was a plank or not. That is a bit scarey.

I think you are referring to the Serge V 12click spat of about 10 years ago - Serge couldn't and wouldn't call in anyone for many reasons that would have brought him down, too. He had no choice but to suck it and swallow.

It was also in the bad old days when anything imaginable happened to screw the surfer - Remember Ron and his cybererotica free trial? Which cost the free trialist 112$ + several hundred $'s in upsells? Every member left the site thinking he spent nothing, then had to contend with credit card bills often in the thousands.There were many more. All of these schemes, scams hurt us, the honest guy.

I don't think dealing privately with a bad player works - You do, at the end of the day, have to look after your own interests - I was caught up, like others here during the time Visa was refusing all non usa sites - Even tho, at that time I had been using them to process for me for 10 years without any cb problems -

This industry is my industry is your industry is our industry - How do you want it run?

If we do not root out the shit ourselves, then we can expect, sooner or later, the shit to be rooted out by government agencies - They are, by ways and means of vat, already on our butts - Now is the time to ensure we have a clean act - Otherwise, tomorrow, the show may not go on.

Geezer
02-28-07, 11:01 PM
I personally think pleasurevile has gotten far too much publicity and we have all spent far too much time talking about him. Thats why I refused to post any further in all those threads. This will be the only post I make here as well.

I make CS right I also think this highlights how small the adult webmaster world is and also how much shit can come to you if you are not willing to listen.

We have had all the "grassing is wrong" and all that bollocks but like CS is saying we need to sort things out if we see a problem that could harm our business. Like I have said if Visa fucked paycom/CCBill off because of things that pleasurvile and others did, then we would all, well a lot of us, would be fucked cos we would lose our processor. How many people would then be saying "its none of our business".

It looks like pleasurevile has now lost his account with paycom. Paycom have said they would not cancel an account without giving fair warning. After it was reported here that he had lost his account and was banned from B&B, which was all bollocks, his account with paycom was stil live and he was/is still a member here.

It now seems paycom have looked into his site/s and obviously they have found too much that is wrong and have had no choice to close his account.

spann0
02-28-07, 11:20 PM
my notes on pleasureville:

he was here and he seemed like a bit of a knob,

nows hes not here and I have less text to avoid
life is easier
:cheers2:

Cardinal_Sin
02-28-07, 11:21 PM
I personally think pleasurevile has gotten far too much publicity and we have all spent far too much time talking about him. Thats why I refused to post any further in all those threads. This will be the only post I make here as well.

I make CS right I also think this highlights how small the adult webmaster world is and also how much shit can come to you if you are not willing to listen.

We have had all the "grassing is wrong" and all that bollocks but like CS is saying we need to sort things out if we see a problem that could harm our business. Like I have said if Visa fucked paycom/CCBill off because of things that pleasurvile and others did, then we would all, well a lot of us, would be fucked cos we would lose our processor. How many people would then be saying "its none of our business".

It looks like pleasurevile has now lost his account with paycom. Paycom have said they would not cancel an account without giving fair warning. After it was reported here that he had lost his account and was banned from B&B, which was all bollocks, his account with paycom was stil live and he was/is still a member here.

It now seems paycom have looked into his site/s and obviously they have found too much that is wrong and have had no choice to close his account.

It doesn't fill me with delight to see anybody lose their point of income - But the guy defended the indefensible and caused his own downfall -

I agree with you that the whole thing has been played out far too long - The guy chose his own method of downfall by using his mouth rather than listening.

I have no problem with people who expose this type of operator - I owe it to the future of my own business.

Cardinal_Sin
03-01-07, 12:08 AM
my notes on pleasureville:

he was here and he seemed like a bit of a knob,

nows hes not here and I have less text to avoid
life is easier
:cheers2:
Shit - I went and wrote too much!

Cardinal_Sin
03-01-07, 12:10 AM
What will be interesting is to see if he can recover with a shred of humility and dignity. I personally hope he can do the right thing, because that too, is good for us all.
Learning from mistakes is the best method of schooling - His call.