Hits and stuff

[Bernice]

Just out of interest cos I have been out the business for a while what would be considered decent traffic these days for a niche adult site ?

I'll level with you - my smallest site is clocking 1.5 million page impressions per month ( uniques whatever ) call them what you will.

Is that solid enough ?

It used to be reckoned that below 1000 a day your wasting yout time - but of course back then the dynamics of the web were different. Having been out of it and now trying to make a living at it again whats the verdict people - 1.5 mil visitors, good, bad or indifferent ? I dont mind telling you that site is doing pants at the moment and if it werent for its traffic volume I'd consider binning it.

[Rosie]

Masterstats says that our smallest site got 500k hits last month - no idea if it's good or not - but it's doing really pretty well sales wise. I guess it's conversion rather than traffic that counts to the bank manager :)

[drunken]

sounds like about 50k ish a day bernice which is fine, but again its what kind of site the hits are to.

blog? SE? tgp/mgp, paysite?

[adultbusiness]

Any replies will be useless unless they show xxxx uniques = £xxxx

There are so many variables its impossible otherwise....

[Bernice]

Paysite - it converts at about 1 in 2000 which is awful. The other sites convert at about 1:100 but they are bigger in traffic.

The site above is a tranny site and to be honest its been a bloody nightmare from day one - vis the models standing you up thread the problems with natal women are but pissy compared to the problems of getting tranny models - most of whom think cos they can put on lipstick Vogue and Cosmo will be offering them an all expenses paid shoot on the bahamas. Unreliable would apply to someone who turns up occasionally - most tranny 'models' seldom turn up at all and if i had a dime for every one of them who told me she just met a guy at Warners/Sony/Columbia/Fox/Paramount who said she will be the next Kierra Knightly blah blah - I'd be a rich wman and not struggling with a bag of bones set of sites LOL - grrr - rant over.
Anyway its niche and if it werenet for the thought of 1.5 million visitors every month arriving I'd can it - anyone got a hot good converting tranny site who'd like some traffic I wonder ?

[S.D.]

Bernice, where are your hits comming from please ? which Country, mainly UK or where ? (The tranny site you speak of)

Thanks.

[A Priest]

if i had 1.5 million hits a month across my network, statiscally i would be quitting my day job tomorrow.

[onlytease]

hits or page impressions are irrelevant, it is unique visitors and how well they convert that is important.

[Bernice]

Agree only tease - at the end of the day its sign ups that count - everything else is a chimera. One of my early sites used to get staggering traffic but converted very poorly ( paysite for manga ) in the end some of my other sites were so profitable and back then i had traffic to burn so just killed the manga site off.

Traffic split on this tranny site , well I dont want to get down to how much percentage comse from Albania etc but very roughly traffic splits about 60% Traffic 40% European ( probably a few odd % from other places but nothing significant ). European break down would be about 30% UK - the rest split equally between Germany, Italy, Spain and Greece.

Thats a pretty standard split on all my sites. I have long suspected tranny sites are a problems for a few reasons - 1) too many trannies handing out hundreds of free pics on Yahoo and MSN groups 2) too many dopey ones handing out free porn pics of themselves on chat systems like Gaydar 3) very niche for punters but theres probably as many trannies as there are punters these days meaning too little cash spread across too many sites.

Believe me if I could find a formula to flog something off this site be it porn or products I WOULD give up the day job LOL ( actually I did quit the day job for 7 years but went back last year cos I got bored at home and wanted even MORE money :) )

[S.D.]

Bernice, Ive sent you a P.M. :)

[Shandy McAndy]

Is that accross all sites and pages including galleries etc?

[garv]

if it's uniques at 1.5mil conversion ratio of 1:2000 that's 750 joins at a price of around $25 (average porn site cost these days) that's $18,750/month. yeah that'd be pretty good in my books.

definatly worth continuing to run that.

[rvince]

Anyway its niche and if it werenet for the thought of 1.5 million visitors every month arriving I'd can it - anyone got a hot good converting tranny site who'd like some traffic I wonder ?

I do well with Delia's site: http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clicks.cgi?CA=918700-0000&PA=1255275&HTML=http://www.deliacd.com/clean

And this site is great too: http://www.jamiecoxx.com/ although I'm kinda biased because it's mine. :-) PM me if you're interested to promote it :)

[redwhiteandblue]

if it's uniques at 1.5mil conversion ratio of 1:2000 that's 750 joins at a price of around $25 (average porn site cost these days) that's $18,750/month. yeah that'd be pretty good in my books.

definatly worth continuing to run that.

She said page impressions not uniques. Bearing in mind I know sod all, I would reckon on each unique visitor counting for about 10 page views, so it would be more like 75 joins per month. Say those are all from affiliates getting 50% revshare, that leaves her around $937.50, take out hosting and processor fees and you can see the problem.

[fredicus]

With my traffic ( mostly tgp ) it's about 4500 uniques per 200,000 hits approx ;)

just fyi

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[redwhiteandblue]

Talking in terms of "hits" is next to useless really. One page view will generate several server "hits" depending on what the page contains.

[garv]

She said page impressions not uniques. Bearing in mind I know sod all, I would reckon on each unique visitor counting for about 10 page views, so it would be more like 75 joins per month. Say those are all from affiliates getting 50% revshare, that leaves her around $937.50, take out hosting and processor fees and you can see the problem.


ah sorry I read it as "1.5 million page impressions per month ( uniques whatever )"

thinking that the (uniques whatever) was meaning unique users to the site, wasn't too clear about it.

[pondlife]

Can I ask what sort of investment is required to get this kind of traffic?

Thanks, p.

[JT]

Can I ask what sort of investment is required to get this kind of traffic?

Thanks, p.

You need to just keep building sites, buck every latest trend of this or that way of trading or making sites.

Lots of time spent building lots of sites gives you stable long term traffic

[JT]

I'll level with you - my smallest site is clocking 1.5 million page impressions per month ( uniques whatever ) call them what you will.

there is a very big difference :)

[pondlife]

You need to just keep building sites, buck every latest trend of this or that way of trading or making sites.

Lots of time spent building lots of sites gives you stable long term traffic


Thanks Johnny,

I only have one site, bustin' my balls to get it off the ground. It's taking a lot of time and effort.

[JT]

Thanks Johnny,

I only have one site, bustin' my balls to get it off the ground. It's taking a lot of time and effort.

A good few years ago, I made a post on porncity which at the time was the biggest adult webmasters forum on the net, GFY wasnt even around. I said I had a site that I couldnt get over 3k a day, how can I get it over 3k a day. someone answered, why not repeat what you have done and make 100 sites that make 3k a day.


Rinse and repeat :) If you can make 1 site in an hour that makes 100 hits a day never to be touched again, why not make 10 a day every day.

I see every day new and interesteing ways of trading and making sites, but as far as I can see nothing has changed. If Bernice can make a site that gets 1 1/2 mill uniques a month, just rinse and repeat and make 10 or 20 or 30....

[Johnny Kleenexxx]

You need to just keep building sites, buck every latest trend of this or that way of trading or making sites.

Lots of time spent building lots of sites gives you stable long term traffic
good info, i read that regularly from yanks who know their stuff too

that "self built" solid traffic is by definition much more targetted
and converts better with the paysite niches you feed thru to

we could all go and buy a million hits right now . .
but it's ratios that count . . some folk with no PR
still make respectable money from solid retention

what's the best situation to be in ?
smaller number of incoming hits converting well,
or bulk 'generic' traffic converting badly (plus b/w)

[Geezer]

good info, i read that regularly from yanks who know their stuff too

that "self built" solid traffic is by definition much more targetted
and converts better with the paysite niches you feed thru to

we could all go and buy a million hits right now . .
but it's ratios that count . . some folk with no PR
still make respectable money from solid retention

what's the best situation to be in ?
smaller number of incoming hits converting well,
or bulk 'generic' traffic converting badly (plus b/w)

Obviously for sales it quality rather than quantity

[Geezer]

if i had 1.5 million hits a month across my network, statiscally i would be quitting my day job tomorrow.

Hits are not what count its uniques.

A hit is counted for every graphic that loads on your page, so if you had 1 million graphics, 1 unique would count as 1 millions hits.

I know that was a wanky example but its a quick way of explaining it :)

[WordsforHire]

If I had 1.5 mil uniques that convert the way some of my peasly amounts of traffic do then I'd be set :)

But one thing that confuses me, I build 100 sites that each get say 500 uniques a day. You say build more so you get a good traffic source and you have more to play with etc etc, but how can you 'play' with it?

I don't know if that makes sense or not but hey...

[Thursby]

I'm new to here but been working on web traffic for some time and organic growth - rather than shelling out for traffic pipes - is the way to go. It gives better quality coverage and better conversion rates. Co-registration is getting pretty big too but I'm not sure how well it would work in this industry.

[JT]

If I had 1.5 mil uniques that convert the way some of my peasly amounts of traffic do then I'd be set :)

But one thing that confuses me, I build 100 sites that each get say 500 uniques a day. You say build more so you get a good traffic source and you have more to play with etc etc, but how can you 'play' with it?

I don't know if that makes sense or not but hey...

Traffic breads traffic. When you have a decent source of traffic you can use it to start new sites, to start trades and toplists etc.

[WordsforHire]

How can you use it to start new sites.

For example, I have I think somewhere around ten blogs scattered around - if I make a new one I dont use those blogs to feed traffic A. Because I don't know how to and B. Because I use the methods I've used before to get me to the same level of traffic. How do I get it to 'start new sites' - that's the part that always gets me when people say traffic gets mroe traffic :/

[redwhiteandblue]

Just put a link from each blog to your new one, label it "friends links" or "recommended links" or something.

[JT]

How can you use it to start new sites.

For example, I have I think somewhere around ten blogs scattered around - if I make a new one I dont use those blogs to feed traffic A. Because I don't know how to and B. Because I use the methods I've used before to get me to the same level of traffic. How do I get it to 'start new sites' - that's the part that always gets me when people say traffic gets mroe traffic :/

Hard link trades are different and is usually what most bloggers do. But why not add your blogs to top lists.

Then when you open a new blog also make a post about those toplists and send hits to them.

Then when yopu have say 10 blogs, and you put a post on the new one about these toplists, also make a post on the other blogs about this great new blog you have found.

Get the traffic going to the toplists for that site, then repeat with the next one.

[WordsforHire]

Even if the toplists have nothing to do with what you;re blogging about?

I dont make niche targetted blogs, I tend to do site targetted ones, I know this means limiting things but it works for me generally.

Top lists are just link sites are they not?

[redwhiteandblue]

I think toplists are a great way of getting traffic almost from nothing but some people seem to think they are out of favour these days?

[JT]

I think toplists are a great way of getting traffic almost from nothing but some people seem to think they are out of favour these days?

Yes, people get caught up in the latest fads for generating "Quality" traffic from this that or the other way of doing things.

[JT]

Even if the toplists have nothing to do with what you;re blogging about?

No you soppy tart you need to pick top lists that are in your niche. Plus there are blog toplists.

Here are three that are run by people here

http://www.mybestsexsites.com/blogs/index.php?a=in&u=uniform
http://uktopblogs.com/top/in.php?id=uniform
http://www.adultblogs.co.uk/vote.php?id=105

[WordsforHire]

OOOOOhhhhhh I see LOL...(Duh me)

[Bernice]

Originally Posted by garv
if it's uniques at 1.5mil conversion ratio of 1:2000 that's 750 joins at a price of around $25 (average porn site cost these days) that's $18,750/month. yeah that'd be pretty good in my books.

definatly worth continuing to run that.


She said page impressions not uniques. Bearing in mind I know sod all, I would reckon on each unique visitor counting for about 10 page views, so it would be more like 75 joins per month. Say those are all from affiliates getting 50% revshare, that leaves her around $937.50, take out hosting and processor fees and you can see the problem.


Yes thats the problem in fact the site is doing slightly better that $937 :) But only just - LOL.

Hosting isnst that big a cost cos the same server runs all of my big 5 sites, processor costs are always a burden.

I;d agree with JT here on traffic building. I built a whole bunch of cookie cutter sites in the early days. They were relatively simple AVS sites - each was cross linked to the others and I had a big variety - swingers, SM, Manga, Mature and a few others. The Manga sites became too hair to run with changes in US law and the mature sites never really took well ( though oddly I had 3 and two did pants the third did ok and they were all more or less identical - weird eh ? ). Anyway I decided to build a spanking site and for no reason readily understandable it did rather well - traffic steadily accelerated to big numbers - doubling every few weeks. off the back of the spank site I build a bondage site and fed it from the span site - once the bondage site was moving I then fed a femdom site from the traffic, then a smoking site, then a trample site, another spanking site and finally the tranny site. All of the others convert ok - I sold the smoking site off two years ago because I couldnt keep up with the content requirements to feed that many sites.

So each site has been built from a the surpul traffic of its forerunners. Plus back when i was doing much better I used to build about 10-20 feeder sites a week - all freehost based and ranging from toplists, fake TGPs, directories and small AVS sites - at the peak there were maybe 500-600 of these things - I just built them as fire and forget websites. never updated - never even monitored - just built, launched and left alone.

Anyway thats abit of background and yes I meant page impressions but whenever you start talking about page impressions / uniques / hits - some people use different terminology - I was talking page impressions as the 1.5 mil number.

What do you have to do to get that traffic - get lucky, work like fuck and spend money is the short answer. Thats not meant to sound callopud but I got lucky - freely admitted - I was in on the web early and lucky enough to be shagging a SE pklacement specialist plus I had spare cash. The firts few sites did do well I could afford to plough money into online and offline advertising, buy RGP positioning and mug smaller sites LOL.

Long term - well the upside was huge but I invested a lot of cash and then got sick - couldnt run the sites well for almost 2 years as I was almost constantly ill and 2 years on the web is a lifetime. I suppose its a testament that even after 2 years of neglect the sites can still kick ass traffic and earn reasonably well.

people pming me - noted- will get back to you as quick as but a small family problem has slowed me down a bit this week plus my day job is being a bit taxing. What I do as a day job actually IS rocket science LOL.