View Full Version : Some sense from the house of lords
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Aren't you glad president Tony has done his best to get rid of the lords? Far to prone to talking some sense now and then. I just wish I had some faith that their views will be listened to. I know I agree with them over the specifics of this case and how it affects my business, but also on the general principals of freedom.
daveydude
02-05-07, 10:56 AM
That's pretty cool - the Lords are all obviously massive consumers of porn :)
pleasureville
02-05-07, 11:55 AM
Not saying a word. :)
I feel like not saying a word but if you dont ask you dont know..
"whats it all mean, please.." How much could or could not this affect myself?
daveydude
02-05-07, 01:10 PM
Not saying a word. :)
Your silence speaks volumes ;)
President Tony has always seen the Lords as a huge blockage fro him to do as he wants...... thats why hes wanted to get rid of them..... But I've always thought that they've been the voice of reason and do a great job.....
Even now all the toffs have been removed, Tony must be nashing his teeth at all the blocks that they put in his way........ especially as a lot of them are his croneys.. so he put them there (in return for a small fee of course).....
Not saying a word. :)
Sounds like Lady Sonia has been working well behind the scenes......... Gawd, I'd love to get a glimpse of her address book!!!!
Sounds like Lady Sonia has been working well behind the scenes......... Gawd, I'd love to get a glimpse of her address book!!!!
:eyebrows:
Shandy McAndy
02-06-07, 10:14 AM
Not sure what is so good about the fact that we have an unelected parliment blocking what our elected parliment decide
and people think we have democracy
Inbedwithfaith
02-06-07, 10:29 AM
The house of lords is there as a check and to create balance. We need to house of lords to keep the commons in order, or else we'd have had all sorts of oppressive laws passed through.
strictlybroadband
02-06-07, 10:38 AM
The house of lords is there as a check and to create balance. We need to house of lords to keep the commons in order, or else we'd have had all sorts of oppressive laws passed through.
True - would be nice if it wasn't full of inbred morons though.
True - would be nice if it wasn't full of inbred morons though.
The commons or the lords?
Shandy McAndy
02-06-07, 10:45 AM
The house of lords is there as a check and to create balance. We need to house of lords to keep the commons in order, or else we'd have had all sorts of oppressive laws passed through.
But its not elected. Why cant we have an elected parliment?
You are just repeating right wing clap trap. No other democratic country in the world has its highest parliment unelected. Why do we need an unelected parliment?
Shandy McAndy
02-06-07, 10:46 AM
The commons or the lords?
Both, but one bunch of morons are elected and one bunch of morons are not.
They have no more right to be there than me
Both, but one bunch of morons are elected and one bunch of morons are not.
They have no more right to be there than me
TB originally had the abolition of the upper house in the manifesto when he first moved into number 10. Like so many other things this turned out to be bullshit that was changed and then dropped when no one was looking.
strictlybroadband
02-06-07, 10:59 AM
The commons or the lords?
However bad the commons gets, at least the monkeys in there had to pass some interviews and speak intelligible English. A significant part of the Lords never turn even up, being too busy drinking port or whatever occupies their little inbred minds.
strictlybroadband
02-06-07, 11:01 AM
TB originally had the abolition of the upper house in the manifesto when he first moved into number 10. Like so many other things this turned out to be bullshit that was changed and then dropped when no one was looking.
True, but TB is completely in love with big money and hidden power. He just can't admit it, as a Labour PM.
True, but TB is completely in love with big money and hidden power. He just can't admit it, as a Labour PM.
Yes and I think that he has plans for himself in the future too with regards the upper house.
strictlybroadband
02-06-07, 11:25 AM
Yes and I think that he has plans for himself in the future too with regards the upper house.
Did you see the recent TV drama where TB resigns and ends up being extradited to face a war crimes trial at the Hague? Unlikely I know, but I enjoyed the fantasy.
Did you see the recent TV drama where TB resigns and ends up being extradited to face a war crimes trial at the Hague? Unlikely I know, but I enjoyed the fantasy.
No but I heard the review on radio 4 and they said that it brought up some interesting points and actually made TB look a victim too at the end?
strictlybroadband
02-06-07, 11:41 AM
No but I heard the review on radio 4 and they said that it brought up some interesting points and actually made TB look a victim too at the end?
Yeah I felt a little bit sorry for him as he was put into the prison van. But only a little bit. The programme did a good job of showing his genuine shock as he leaves office and finds out he has less true friends and admirers than he believed - I think the man is truly deluded.
Inbedwithfaith
02-06-07, 12:18 PM
But its not elected. Why cant we have an elected parliment?
You are just repeating right wing clap trap. No other democratic country in the world has its highest parliment unelected. Why do we need an unelected parliment?
We have an elected house and a non elected house. You cant compare Great Britain to any other country because we have no written constitution, everything in our country is from precedence. The house of lords is split into two groups lords spiritual which is made up from bishops. The lords temporal, which is life peers and hereditary peers. Also, the house of lords hasnt been the highest parliament since the 19th century, i think your getting confused with the fact that the house of lords is the highest court in the land. They only there as a veto, so a landslide parliament cannot push through whatever reforms they feel, therefore they are there to protect our interests.
Also if you look at America they have a separate congress to veto their president. So no leader or governing party has free will.
TB originally had the abolition of the upper house in the manifesto when he first moved into number 10. Like so many other things this turned out to be bullshit that was changed and then dropped when no one was looking.
I think he really did intend to get rid of it, he did go along way.
But like all world leaders, world events have taken over. I would have liked to see a huge shake up. Getting rid of all hereditary peers, but 85% or whatever it was was a start
Did you see the recent TV drama where TB resigns and ends up being extradited to face a war crimes trial at the Hague? Unlikely I know, but I enjoyed the fantasy.
Yes, I did, I dint think it was great tbh, could have been a really good program.
Do you think TB will be looked at as a good primne minister in the history books?
I think he really did intend to get rid of it, he did go along way.
But like all world leaders, world events have taken over. I would have liked to see a huge shake up. Getting rid of all hereditary peers, but 85% or whatever it was was a start
Just imagine the things that could have been done if this administration hadn't been bogged down for years with the middle east.
Just imagine the things that could have been done if this administration hadn't been bogged down for years with the middle east.
Yes, but in fairness to Tony he in part inherited that from the tories
Yes, but in fairness to Tony he in part inherited that from the tories
MT should have been allowed to finish the job the first time around. TB is going to be tainted now no matter what choices he had at the time and he is always going to look like GWB was working him with his foot.
MT should have been allowed to finish the job the first time around. TB is going to be tainted now no matter what choices he had at the time and he is always going to look like GWB was working him with his foot.
Lady Thatcher please when refering to the greatest PM this country has ever had
Lady Thatcher please when refering to the greatest PM this country has ever had
:)
strictlybroadband
02-06-07, 03:01 PM
:)
This has turned into some kind of gay Tory love-in. :gaylords:
This has turned into some kind of gay Tory love-in. :gaylords:
:)
smoothballs
02-06-07, 10:11 PM
er....what the fuck has parliament got to do with anything when unelected euro MPS dictate the laws of several countries at a stroke? time for a revolution!
strictlybroadband
02-06-07, 10:25 PM
er....what the fuck has parliament got to do with anything when unelected euro MPS dictate the laws of several countries at a stroke? time for a revolution!
But MEPs are elected.
smoothballs
02-06-07, 10:41 PM
ok fair point but still brings me to the point why bother having a parliament when it can be over ruled in brussels
But MEPs are elected.
So all these MEPs who want to reserect the european constitution are elected by the UK are they????
And the UK as a nation has voted to be part of the EU have we?? I was one of the few on here to have voted in the referendum which took us into Europe... that vote was to join the Common Market - a trading agreement not the EU as we know it now
AllRuth
02-07-07, 08:20 AM
But MEPs are elected.MEPs are elected, but its the commissioners who aren't that really the power. Like Peter Mandleson, completely unelectable in the UK he got kicked up to Europe, where hes now the European Commissioner for Trade.
strictlybroadband
02-07-07, 08:24 AM
MEPs are elected, but its the commissioners who aren't that really the power. Like Peter Mandleson, completely unelectable in the UK he got kicked up to Europe, where hes now the European Commissioner for Trade.
Are you stalking me? ;)
What you say is true, but it pisses me off much more that Washington has more real power over us than Brussels. At least our government gets to negotiate European policies, but America does whatever it likes and our idiot leaders just fall into line. Of the two evils, Europe's the lesser.
MEPs are elected, but its the commissioners who aren't that really the power. Like Peter Mandleson, completely unelectable in the UK he got kicked up to Europe, where hes now the European Commissioner for Trade.
Not everyone that holds similar positions in the UK government need to be elected and never have been. Attly appointed a whole load of non elected people to positions of power and all PMs have done in recent years too.
I just think the proposed Lords reform is a wasted opportunity. They could have been really imaginative. It's just going to look like a pale imitation of the commons with the main political parties organising who stands for election. It would be better if special interest groups could field candidates: charities, professional bodies, students ...... adult webmasters - any group or individual in fact. JT could end up elected as Lord Johnny of Beer and Bollocks.
So all these MEPs who want to reserect the european constitution are elected by the UK are they????
And the UK as a nation has voted to be part of the EU have we?? I was one of the few on here to have voted in the referendum which took us into Europe... that vote was to join the Common Market - a trading agreement not the EU as we know it now
the common market/eu etc was never started as a trade agreament. Thats what may have been said, but it was started to prevent another war in Europe, between the main powers. So far it has worked
the common market/eu etc was never started as a trade agreament. Thats what may have been said, but it was started to prevent another war in Europe, between the main powers. So far it has worked
The reason that Yes Minister gave was far more likely. :)
The reason that Yes Minister gave was far more likely. :)
I watch that every night. I record it on sky HD every day. Best written comedy we have ever produced.
Apparently Lady Thatcher watched it and loved it. So shows what pure class it was :)
mellenig
02-07-07, 10:29 AM
I watch that every night. I record it on sky HD every day. Best written comedy we have ever produced.
Apparently Lady Thatcher watched it and loved it. So shows what pure class it was :)
Did she not appear in one episode never seen it but Im sure I read it somewhere.
Did she not appear in one episode never seen it but Im sure I read it somewhere.
No, but she wrote an episode and they perfomed it live, like a little scetch. But pretty sure she wasnt in an actual episode
mellenig
02-07-07, 10:49 AM
Thought Id read it somewhere I could be wrong but did a bit of googling :)
"1983 Yes, Minister (file includes photographs of sketch featuring Margaret Thatcher, Nigel Hawthorne and Paul Eddington)"
Margaret Thatcher: The Great Speeches, due out next month, includes serious speeches and some "bonus material", including the former premier's appearance in a Yes Minister sketch
Thought Id read it somewhere I could be wrong but did a bit of googling :)
"1983 Yes, Minister (file includes photographs of sketch featuring Margaret Thatcher, Nigel Hawthorne and Paul Eddington)"
Margaret Thatcher: The Great Speeches, due out next month, includes serious speeches and some "bonus material", including the former premier's appearance in a Yes Minister sketch
Yes but I *think* the scetch was performed live, pretty sure it wasnt in an actual episode
mellenig
02-07-07, 10:55 AM
Yes but I *think* the scetch was performed live, pretty sure it wasnt in an actual episode
Ah right ok.
Redhotca
02-07-07, 01:18 PM
Not sure what is so good about the fact that we have an unelected parliment blocking what our elected parliment decide
and people think we have democracy
Unfortunetly Democracy is an Illusion. Every four years or so we just vote for a new dictator ( or The same One ) Im in Canada and we have the same parlimentary system and it seems the politians (dictators) are getting more and more corrupt all the time and then they have the nerve to preach on morals. As far as im concerned they have all lost any credibility they had and should not be taken seriously without a few grains of salt added....Redhotca
AllRuth
02-07-07, 10:56 PM
Are you stalking me? ;)
For sure; Watch out! :gaylords:
Time to go post here... http://www.beerandbollocks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9245 ;)
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