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Been doing them for a while and am pretty up to speed with all the current rules. Got a question about either freesites or getting listed/problems getting listed, ask away and I'll do my best to help you add this worthwhile addition to your daily build routine :)
TheShiftyEyedBastard
01-09-07, 09:34 AM
What is the top 20 must get linked at, link lists in order of best traffic.
Post haste.
OK that depends on niche. Like all traffic sources you need to go for the niche traffic, LLs are no different. So saying 'Hoes' as a catch-all can not always work. Saying that, you can generally assume that you will get decent traffic from these, in no particular order, varying by niche:
Hoes.com
Penisbot.com
Wetplace.com
Tommys-bookmarks.com (PPA)
Richards-realm.com
Freepicssex.com
Schnaggle.com
Debauchery.com
Jays-xxx-links.com
Smutgremlins.com
Sexontheinternet.com
To make up the 20, it really is a case of which niche you are submitting to. For example Ylovesporn.com gets decent cfnm traffic, but if I were subbing a site in a different niche I'd see who was doing well in google/yahoo/msn and go from there as to including which LL in which niche recip area.
Why do most LL owners have their heads stuck so far up their own arse?
Dunno about 'most', but just like in any other other line of work or group of people, there are those that have their heads stuck up their arse :D
Dunno about 'most', but just like in any other other line of work or group of people, there are those that have their heads stuck up their arse :D
You know what I mean, all their rules, they get worse and worse.
Apparently their is a rule that if you have hidden whois you will not get listed and probably blacklisted.
I looked and looked and could not see this rule anywhere, I was then told its because its an unwritten rule FUCK OFF!
Yeah the rules get longer and longer, but most of them are there to prevent people arguing the toss over what you and I (collectively talking about freesite builders here) would consider obvious. As for the whois, yeah that's a little trickier. I guess that could be stated, then again you'll have people saying oh great, yet another rule ;)
Yeah the rules get longer and longer, but most of them are there to prevent people arguing the toss over what you and I (collectively talking about freesite builders here) would consider obvious. As for the whois, yeah that's a little trickier. I guess that could be stated, then again you'll have people saying oh great, yet another rule ;)
I think if they want the whois rule then either state or just make it a PA, if you want a PA then you submit the URL's you will use and they must be public whois.
OK, another load of bollocks is "blind" links. CLICK HERE to see more is considered "blind". Well if you are looking at a gallery of anal I would presume you would want more, so when you click the above link you will get more, the tour will have plenty.
Its getting more and more about the surfer and fuck the webmaster, I suppose LL's are seeing falling numbers in thier bookmarkers so are catering more and more to them to keep getting bookmarkers.
Like I have said with TGP, we are supplying a linklist with content, plus links in, without the submitters what do they have?
Hoes even tell surfers not to click on certain things as it will take them to a paysite, double fuck off!
I think if they want the whois rule then either state or just make it a PA, if you want a PA then you submit the URL's you will use and they must be public whois.
Yeah that's not a bad idea, it's more for newer submitters, as the whois is used to catch cheaters/multisubmitters. Caught one this morning thanks to whois. If you are known to the owners/reviewers private whois isn't generally a problem at all.
OK, another load of bollocks is "blind" links. CLICK HERE to see more is considered "blind". Well if you are looking at a gallery of anal I would presume you would want more, so when you click the above link you will get more, the tour will have plenty.
Yeah again I agree, some are very strict, others less so. There are a number of ways to word click here so that it isn't considered blind/misleading.
Its getting more and more about the surfer and fuck the webmaster, I suppose LL's are seeing falling numbers in thier bookmarkers so are catering more and more to them to keep getting bookmarkers.
Like I have said with TGP, we are supplying a linklist with content, plus links in, without the submitters what do they have?
This is getting repetive, I agree once more :D
Thing is though to look at it long term, those links for the most part will stay up forever. They provide inbounds to your freesite(s), which helps towards the real purpose of freesites, SE traffic. To get those inbounds, and years and years of listings, you have to play by their rules. They have traffic and 'authority' (SE wise) that you (anyone) want(s), and it's not too hard to make sales, and a decent income from just the freesites part of the biz for an hour or two's work a day.
how many recips is it best to use, im currently using 9 because some seem to have more than one link back in their little tables.
With the 3 outgoing links per page, can i link back to my hub &/or a blog on each page? Or is this sponsor only.
from the odd freesite ive done before ive not seen many sales when compared to TGP, the freesites seem to take a lot of effort and sales lack. Now I've heard it can take up to 6months and having your freesite SE listed before the sales begin to drop... does this sound right? Or am I just choosing the wrong kind of sponsors for freesites.
Are most ok with you having different title and h1 tags on the pages (i got a rejection for that once, forget which site rejected).
Finally, other than linklists are there anywhere else you submit your freesites?
Cheers Jel!
Yeah again I agree, some are very strict, others less so. There are a number of ways to word click here so that it isn't considered blind/misleading.
OK so if I say "CLICK HERE FOR THE TOUR" that is ok, but if I say "CLICK HERE FOR MOR MOVIES" thats not, even though they will get more movies on the tour.
What about "GET MORE MOVIES ON THE TOUR HERE" "CLICK HERE FOR A FREE TOUR" I presume they are ok?
I must admit I haven't done a freesite for a long time and at first when I heard of this "blind link" bollocks I just thought fuck em. I am now thinking it might actually help as people who click to see the tour are probably more likely to buy then those looking for more free shit. If they know its a tour and ain't interested in paying they won't click, in theory anyway :)
how many recips is it best to use, im currently using 9 because some seem to have more than one link back in their little tables.
With the 3 outgoing links per page, can i link back to my hub &/or a blog on each page? Or is this sponsor only.
from the odd freesite ive done before ive not seen many sales when compared to TGP, the freesites seem to take a lot of effort and sales lack. Now I've heard it can take up to 6months and having your freesite SE listed before the sales begin to drop... does this sound right? Or am I just choosing the wrong kind of sponsors for freesites.
Are most ok with you having different title and h1 tags on the pages (i got a rejection for that once, forget which site rejected).
Finally, other than linklists are there anywhere else you submit your freesites?
Cheers Jel!
Freesites are much better than galleries. You might not see the same volume of traffic but it will be better qaulity traffic. Just think ot the advertising you get from one freesite compared to a gallery. A gallery will typically have 3 links to sponsor (ads) a free site can have up to 12.
With the H1 tags just make that a three word title with a keyword or two: "Anal Fuck Sluts". I say three cos that is the standard amount for a title.
Also use the same title on the LL form as you have for the site.
I always have a link to my TGP at the bottom of every freesite, very small but its there and I've not had any problems with that.
As for recips 9 - 12 is a good number. I personally always use 9. I think it looks neater and not so cluttered.
Anyway, bollocks up your arsehole, this is Jels Q&A thread so I will save my fingers :)
how many recips is it best to use, im currently using 9 because some seem to have more than one link back in their little tables.
I use 16 as par, sometimes going to 20. Those are custom text recips, keeping anchor and any title tags intact. Using the provided buttons/tables you will have no problem with 12, and depending on your layout might be able to go as high as 15. Custom recips are better though, use those in preference to the buttons/tables provided.
With the 3 outgoing links per page, can i link back to my hub &/or a blog on each page? Or is this sponsor only.
Depends on the reviewer. If you have a link back to your hub in the recip area you won't run into any problems. Regarding the link to blog, it's a money making link, so imo it's best to include that as one of your 3 outgoing links.
from the odd freesite ive done before ive not seen many sales when compared to TGP, the freesites seem to take a lot of effort and sales lack. Now I've heard it can take up to 6months and having your freesite SE listed before the sales begin to drop... does this sound right? Or am I just choosing the wrong kind of sponsors for freesites.
It may be just that you need to tweak your sales methods. Did you make sales on the first few galleries you made? If you only have a few freesites it may be a bit early to say that the effort vs reward isn't worth it. Most sales come from the entry page, followed by the mainpage. Bear that in mind, and use lots of sales text to feed the surfers 2nd brain, ie his cock. Text is the most important thing on freesites. You want the surfer to fuck off to the sponsor before he even sees your content, with rude thoughts flooding his mind, and his knob with a semi just on your sales text. Drop in the call to action and get him to the sponsor asap.
Are most ok with you having different title and h1 tags on the pages (i got a rejection for that once, forget which site rejected).
Use every bit of seo possible, which means title & h1 text match, as well as being the same as your page file name.
title tag: Midgets Sucking Cock
h1 tag: Midgets Sucking Cock
page name midgets-sucking-cock.html
Use the term throughout the page :)
Rejection for that is harsh imo.
Finally, other than linklists are there anywhere else you submit your freesites?
Cheers Jel!
Not submit, but I add them to my blogs and forum and other hub pages. More for extra inbounds rather than a traffic flow :) Also your freesites with a links page you can add them to.
Freesites are much better than galleries. You might not see the same volume of traffic but it will be better qaulity traffic. Just think ot the advertising you get from one freesite compared to a gallery. A gallery will typically have 3 links to sponsor (ads) a free site can have up to 12.
6 ads before they see a pic has to be good :)
6 ads before they see a pic has to be good :)
Yeah better than 3 ads amongst 15 pics.
Yeah better than 3 ads amongst 15 pics.
That's for sure, which is why I don't mind playing by their rules :) Once you have the hang of what is and isn't considered a blind/misleading link, it's all automatic :cheers2:
That's for sure, which is why I don't mind playing by their rules :) Once you have the hang of what is and isn't considered a blind/misleading link, it's all automatic :cheers2:
Yeah once I get into the swing of it I will be back to full speed with freesites.
Like I said I used to build, submit and forget. I wouldn't even bother to check who listed me or not. I used to submit to over 100 LL's but now i am down to around 27, so much easier to submit. only about 10 minutes, which is nice.
do you always build for the greenguy rules?
If not what sized images do you go for?
Yeah I moved on and adapted to GGs new rules. Worth it imo, for the long term traffic from the LL itself, and a relevant inbound.
are there many places that offer partner accounts for linklists in a similar way to tgps? Worth bothering with?
Tommy is partners only, a 1 time fee of $100, that also lets you sub 4 galleries a day on top of your freesite. Well worth it imo if you manage to get one when he has an opening.
There are a few others with partner accounts that I know of, these are purely to be able to submit, rather than any listing perks.
linkforsex.com for example is one, jk-porn.com is another.
Dirty Derek
01-09-07, 08:29 PM
Jel (or anyone else for that matter) could you show me an example of what one might consider a "perfect" free site.
Nottslad
01-09-07, 10:58 PM
Not claiming this one as a perfect free site, it's one of the last ones I made in May/June of last year - but is about as good as I get. Those with the Google toolbar note it's still zero PR and has no backlinks showing after 7 months or so and it's not mirrored.
Interesting thing about the submission to LOR, it was first submitted to the anal category and was refused for not enough anal content. Then I subbed to the creampie category and got rejected again for not enough creampie content. I was told to submt it to the blondes category where it was finally accepted.
Jel, care to critique?
Freesite (http://www.webporn4u.com/creampie/cream1/)
Jel (or anyone else for that matter) could you show me an example of what one might consider a "perfect" free site.
I'm a bit loathe to post my stuff on public boards these days due to copycats, and don't feel comfortble posting someone else's work for the same reason (that's copycats that are most likely lurkers, so no slight meant to anyone here by that :) ).
A good freesite imo has nice poppy ads, which means you are drawn to the ads and accompanying text, without making the page look too ugly. On the other hand, ugly also sells, a lot of people make the mistake of assuming an ugly page won't make sales, that's far from true. Eye catching calls-to-action with a good tagline, good text that both hooks the surfer into reading all of it, and feeds his brain/cock works far better than just an aesthetically pleasing layout.
A lot of variables however, because you obviously can have an aesthitically pleasing page with the other ingredients, which will be just as good as an ugly looking site, and vice versa. Most important thing imo is the text. With freesites, text reigns.
Not claiming this one as a perfect free site, it's one of the last ones I made in May/June of last year - but is about as good as I get. Those with the Google toolbar note it's still zero PR and has no backlinks showing after 7 months or so and it's not mirrored.
Interesting thing about the submission to LOR, it was first submitted to the anal category and was refused for not enough anal content. Then I subbed to the creampie category and got rejected again for not enough creampie content. I was told to submt it to the blondes category where it was finally accepted.
Jel, care to critique?
Freesite (http://www.webporn4u.com/creampie/cream1/)
OK this is how I would 'pick at' things, if I had to:
http://www.webporn4u.com/creampie/cream1/
I'd lose the middle directory http://www.webporn4u.com/creampie/ which by the way is also open. No real need for it, and it just adds a directory making your content reside deeper within your site. Just 1 ingredient that will possibly help with SEO is to put the folder on the root, like so: http://www.webporn4u.com/cream1/
I'd also name the folder the same as the freesite title, so http://www.webporn4u.com/blondeanalcreampie/ or http://www.webporn4u.com/blonde-anal-creampie/ (personal preference as to the hyphens).
meta tags - no icra label, I always recommend them when doing a review, so this part is a mental copy & paste :) Grab one from www.icra.org and generate a rating, this can be copied and pasted across all domains just by changing your domain (also seems to work if you forget to change the domain within the tag).
keywords - some keywords there that don't appear on the page. Some people say not to bother, but for the time it takes I usually would put something like blonde, anal, creampie, anal creampie, blonde anal creampie - very much just because it takes 10 seconds that any proof that it works. Doesn't hurt, so why not is my view.
On page text I'd bandy that Blonde Anal Creampie keyphrase around a bit more, bolding it once or twice to possibly help with on page SEO.
"Tons more beautiful girls, who enjoy sex the way she does, can be found over at GirlsGotCream.com" I'd drop the .com and put Girls Got Cream to prevent any of those sneaky surfers copying & pasting the url. Won't stop the determined-to-cut-out-the-middle-man surfers, but may stop a few of the lazier ones from doing so. I'd also use a mouseover to hide the referral part of the link, like so:
a href="http://girlsgotcream.com/ref/1005674/" title="" onMouseOver="window.status='http://www.girlsgotcream.com/'; return true" onFocus="window.status='http://www.girlsgotcream.com/'; return true" onMouseOut="window.status=''; return true"
That also will display the base code only when right-clicking a link 99% of the time, but does only work in IE. Some don't bother, but looking back when I was a surfer, I was definitely wary of links that looked like referral codes do, not least because I was worried avout viruses etc.
You only have 2 sponsor links on that page, and that page is the prime ad page. Even if you can't 'seperate' the ads enough for aesthetics, use the other spot for another call to action that may generate enough interest for a click, 'Click here for cum dripping from tight assholes @ girls got cream!' or some such. I'd also make those sponsor links a different color. Not sure how blue sits on that background, but the sponsor links don't stand out anywhere near enough. Span commands can also be good for this, in case you don't have it to hand:
<span style="background-color:#000000">Text Goes Here</span>
"Why not visit Webporn4u.com for more Free Porn Sites" I'd be inclined to drop that for another sponsor link. Again the entry page is the prime ad loaction, you don't want to give an option of more free stuff before you've tried to sell the surfer a membership. I'd make a recip link in the table you have there and put a link back in that area.
Gonna make a new post to continue as I think the board will end up truncating the message.
http://www.webporn4u.com/creampie/cream1/main.htm
I'd name that page Anal Creampie Blonde (or some other variation), adjust the title/meta tags to reflect the change (change the desc meta also) and change the h1 tag accordingly. Name the page analcreampieblonde.html or anal-creampie-blonde.html and drop in that keyphrase on the page, for example where you have the previous phrase on the gallery link areas. Won't make a huge difference, but every little helps, and different page titles and on page seo may help garner a few more SE clicks further down the road.
"Click here to visit GirlsGotCream.com and see what you've been missing." is going to be "blah blah blah" to most surfers. "Click Here to see thick wads of cum oozing from tight puckered assholes @ girls got cream" or some such is a better tagline imo, and will see a better ctr. In fact you don't need the sponsor name as it's directly below a banner, so what would normally be considered a blind link would be acceptable. "Thick Wads Of Creamy Spunk Oozing Out From Just Fucked Assholes" or some such would be fine, possibly in a span command, to get the surfers eye looking straight at that tagline.
Left hand ad-block - I'm not a fan of pushing those 3 other site types of ad unless you are primarily pushing a 1-for-all join. The surfer is there because he either saw your link titled Blonde Anal Creampie and read your description, or found it via a SE, so concentrate on the creampie stuff rather than switching the focus to the very generic 'teen porn' - you have filtered the guy down to someone who wants creampies, mentioning teen porn and casting couch type stuff takes the focus away imo. Better to use some text there saying stuff about pussies dripping spunk, sluts scooping cum from their assholes and licking their fingers, or whatever the site is about (didn't look at the tour), with the call to action underneath that, in a stand out font face/size/colour.
Possibly change "Check out Webporn4u.com for tons more Free Porn Sites" to "Check out Webporn4u.com for more Free Anal Porn Sites"
Moving on again in case of possible truncation...
http://www.webporn4u.com/creampie/cream1/creampie1.htm
Same stuff with the title, metas, h1 and onpage usage of the next keyphrase.
I'd stick a sponsor link in that top cell under that text, 'Take The Tour For Sticky Cum Filled Holes' or some such. The words 'take the tour' stop that from being blind. 'Click Here For Access To Spunk Filled Cunts' is also non-blind due to the 'access' part.
1st banner area the top line of text blurs in a bit, add an extra line break to seperate and make it easier to read. No need for the sitename to be mentioned here due to the banner, so a meatier tagline below will see a better CTR imo.
2nd banner area I've covered previously, perhaps an unordered list with stand out text saying something like
Cum Loving Fuck Whores
Tight Holes Pumping Out Spent Spunk
Nasty Cum Splattered Fuck Holes Dripping With Jizz
CLICK HERE FOR THE INSANE MOVIES INSIDE GIRLS GOT CREAM!
Using a mixture of italics, capitals and font colours to make the juicier parts stand out will produce a better ctr imo.
I'd drop the link back to your hub, as it's sponsor content, which imo should be used solely to get a surfer to the sponsor site, and not to drive traffic to other stuff you have.
http://www.webporn4u.com/creampie/cream1/creampie2.htm
Same stuff with the title, metas, h1 and onpage usage of the next keyphrase.
Nice one on the altered layout, makes the surfer have to work again to see the pics after being partially 'trained' as to the layout from gallery 1.
Again with the link back to your hub on a sponsors content page I'd change, and some juicier tagline text under the top banner. The banner denotes a non-blind link, so be creative. At this point I'd possibly keep that 1-for-all ad, as a last ditch attempt to get them to take a look.
All the above and previous posts are purely opinion, and in no way am I saying anything is 'wrong' with your site, just that I can see areas where you'd maybe get a better ctr, which is of course speculation because this isn't an exact science :cheers2:
Re GG declining, obviously I can't speak for him, but actual creampie pics there are only 4, which is 1/6th of the content. Anal I'd have thought it'd be listed in, my guess it was just a subjective thing, and on another day he would have listed you in that category. Just guessing :)
Nottslad
01-10-07, 07:37 AM
Wow!
That was exactly the kind of review I was looking for and just the kind of thing that may persuade me back in to the freesite game.
Gone midnight here, and tomorrow I'm up early and off line all day (I'm taking a group from my mainstream site out to an island on a catamaran booze cruise) but once I'm back I'll be reviewing this in detail.
Thank you very much for your time Jel, much appreciated.
No problem. Remember you have that template stored now, so it's take next to no time to open the folder, swap the images and do a little tweaking, and you have a new site you can submit. Plop the new one in a folder called 10 inside a folder called freesites templates, and on Feb 10th you pull it up, swap the pics and tweak pages for a new set of keyphrases, and all your recips are done etc. saves a bunch of time. Get up to 30 and you'll be able to 'build' and sub a freesite a day in about an hour :)
Dirty Derek
01-10-07, 08:31 AM
Thanks Notts Lad & Jel, that's been really useful.
Do you enjoy doing reviews? I'm looking to hire you to do my LL reviews since I Know you love doing them.
Do you enjoy doing reviews? I'm looking to hire you to do my LL reviews since I Know you love doing them.
lol, first word is far, second word is cough :D
meta tags - no icra label, I always recommend them when doing a review, so this part is a mental copy & paste :) Grab one from www.icra.org and generate a rating, this can be copied and pasted across all domains just by changing your domain (also seems to work if you forget to change the domain within the tag).
There is a new label too - http://www.rtalabel.org/ which is done by ASACP and particularly for adult. No domain in it just a basic restricted to adults label. If you use Dreamweaver there is a way to edit the default new page template to include the label (and anything else) so that every new page you start will automatically contain the label.
I'd also use a mouseover to hide the referral part of the link, like so:
a href="http://girlsgotcream.com/ref/1005674/" title="" onMouseOver="window.status='http://www.girlsgotcream.com/'; return true" onFocus="window.status='http://www.girlsgotcream.com/'; return true" onMouseOut="window.status=''; return true"
That also will display the base code only when right-clicking a link 99% of the time, but does only work in IE. Some don't bother, but looking back when I was a surfer, I was definitely wary of links that looked like referral codes do, not least because I was worried avout viruses etc.
I'd stop fucking around with JS! Put the sponsor link in a simple php redirect.
In an empty file paste (change url to suit)
<?php header("Location: http://girlsgotcream.com/ref/1005674/"); ?>
Save as sponsorname.php or sponsor-name.php (however you usually name files for seo)
Point sponsor links at that file.
This has several benefits over the JS.
1: It hides the code without relying on the surfer having JS enabled or being smart enough to click the link without releasing the button to see where the link is going (I do that if I happen to have JS enabled for some reason hehe). It also looks like an internal link for those extra paranoid surfers who don't even want to go offsite.
2: It allows you to have 1 file for the sponsor that all your freesites link to. If something happens and the link needs changing then you can change it in that one file and all your freesites promoting the sponsor using that file will use the link.
3: As a redirect method it is server-side. It doesn't rely on the surfer have meta-refresh enabled or scripts running etc. There's nothing the surfer can do to stop being redirected.
4: Search engines DO index the redirect pages. (They get indexed as the sponsor site - so it's like those nice occasions when your sponsor links get indexed)
There is a new label too - http://www.rtalabel.org/ which is done by ASACP and particularly for adult. No domain in it just a basic restricted to adults label. If you use Dreamweaver there is a way to edit the default new page template to include the label (and anything else) so that every new page you start will automatically contain the label.
I'd stop fucking around with JS! Put the sponsor link in a simple php redirect.
In an empty file paste (change url to suit)
<?php header("Location: http://girlsgotcream.com/ref/1005674/"); ?>
Save as sponsorname.php or sponsor-name.php (however you usually name files for seo)
Point sponsor links at that file.
This has several benefits over the JS.
1: It hides the code without relying on the surfer having JS enabled or being smart enough to click the link without releasing the button to see where the link is going (I do that if I happen to have JS enabled for some reason hehe). It also looks like an internal link for those extra paranoid surfers who don't even want to go offsite.
2: It allows you to have 1 file for the sponsor that all your freesites link to. If something happens and the link needs changing then you can change it in that one file and all your freesites promoting the sponsor using that file will use the link.
3: As a redirect method it is server-side. It doesn't rely on the surfer have meta-refresh enabled or scripts running etc. There's nothing the surfer can do to stop being redirected.
4: Search engines DO index the redirect pages. (They get indexed as the sponsor site - so it's like those nice occasions when your sponsor links get indexed)
Is there any reason for .php instead of .htaccess?
Is there any reason for .php instead of .htaccess?
Well htaccess relies on the 301 error (page permanently moved) directive. You're basically telling the SE spider "this page doesn't exist it's moved to here (sponsor url) Which means the spider isn't going to index your on-site page (cos you've just told it it doesn't exist). Where-as the php redirect (without declaring it a 301) is going to be treated like an existing page on your site, it exists and is indexable.
What the php page also does it counts clicks. You can tell from server stats how often the page was hit, which means you can see how many times links to it were clicked. (although this would probably be true of htaccess too in your error stats).
If you wanted more in-depth stats you can also add more php scripting to the redirect page to capture referrer info, ip etc and write it to a file or database for later analysis. Or even add info to the links themselves (link to sponsor-name.php?w1 for the first link on the warning page or sponsor-name.php?w2 for the 2nd link on the warning page etc etc) to get a much deeper analysis of which links are actually being clicked. But that's all getting a bit complicated for a basic freesite.
I guess it comes down to personal choice. But personally I'd only use a 301 redirect when it's a real "page has permanently moved" situation so that the SE spiders know to mark the old page for deletion and index the new page instead.
Well htaccess relies on the 301 error (page permanently moved) directive. You're basically telling the SE spider "this page doesn't exist it's moved to here (sponsor url) Which means the spider isn't going to index your on-site page (cos you've just told it it doesn't exist). Where-as the php redirect (without declaring it a 301) is going to be treated like an existing page on your site, it exists and is indexable.
What the php page also does it counts clicks. You can tell from server stats how often the page was hit, which means you can see how many times links to it were clicked. (although this would probably be true of htaccess too in your error stats).
If you wanted more in-depth stats you can also add more php scripting to the redirect page to capture referrer info, ip etc and write it to a file or database for later analysis. Or even add info to the links themselves (link to sponsor-name.php?w1 for the first link on the warning page or sponsor-name.php?w2 for the 2nd link on the warning page etc etc) to get a much deeper analysis of which links are actually being clicked. But that's all getting a bit complicated for a basic freesite.
I guess it comes down to personal choice. But personally I'd only use a 301 redirect when it's a real "page has permanently moved" situation so that the SE spiders know to mark the old page for deletion and index the new page instead.
Sou do you make a page with content with SEO and add the php redirect or just put the redirect php as index.php into an empty folder.
Does it mean that the surfer will be redirected abut the spiders will still see the SEO?
Sou do you make a page with content with SEO and add the php redirect or just put the redirect php as index.php into an empty folder.
Does it mean that the surfer will be redirected abut the spiders will still see the SEO?
No you don't put any content or seo on the page. As soon as you put anything that needs to be output by the browser onto the page you break the header redirect and cause a php error.
The only thing that should be on the page is the php code above (and possibly other php code to write referral info to a file or db - but nothing to the page itself)
Both the surfer and the spider will be redirected to the same place, the url you've put in your header statement.
No you don't put any content or seo on the page. As soon as you put anything that needs to be output by the browser onto the page you break the header redirect and cause a php error.
The only thing that should be on the page is the php code above (and possibly other php code to write referral info to a file or db - but nothing to the page itself)
Both the surfer and the spider will be redirected to the same place, the url you've put in your header statement.
Yeah I realised that when I was playing with it :)
There is a new label too - http://www.rtalabel.org/ which is done by ASACP and particularly for adult. No domain in it just a basic restricted to adults label. If you use Dreamweaver there is a way to edit the default new page template to include the label (and anything else) so that every new page you start will automatically contain the label.
I'd stop fucking around with JS! Put the sponsor link in a simple php redirect.
In an empty file paste (change url to suit)
<?php header("Location: http://girlsgotcream.com/ref/1005674/"); ?>
Save as sponsorname.php or sponsor-name.php (however you usually name files for seo)
Point sponsor links at that file.
This has several benefits over the JS.
1: It hides the code without relying on the surfer having JS enabled or being smart enough to click the link without releasing the button to see where the link is going (I do that if I happen to have JS enabled for some reason hehe). It also looks like an internal link for those extra paranoid surfers who don't even want to go offsite.
2: It allows you to have 1 file for the sponsor that all your freesites link to. If something happens and the link needs changing then you can change it in that one file and all your freesites promoting the sponsor using that file will use the link.
3: As a redirect method it is server-side. It doesn't rely on the surfer have meta-refresh enabled or scripts running etc. There's nothing the surfer can do to stop being redirected.
4: Search engines DO index the redirect pages. (They get indexed as the sponsor site - so it's like those nice occasions when your sponsor links get indexed)
Yeah saw that Dreamweaver post of yours :) I use Max's HTML Beauty and couldn't find where to edit the default html template, which is a pain.
Nice tip on the php, I shall have a bit of a play with that :cheers2:
TheShiftyEyedBastard
01-11-07, 06:21 AM
I've heard some say they weren't getting accepted at some sites, because they are too consistent of a submitter. Are you seeing multiple sites taking this stance, or just a few?
I've heard some say they weren't getting accepted at some sites, because they are too consistent of a submitter. Are you seeing multiple sites taking this stance, or just a few?
Some LLs do get 'annoyed' if you sub to the same category in bulk, like for instance 10 lesbian sites in a row. Better to rotate with a few niches to avoid rejection for flooding a category. Not so much of a problem for niches where people don't submit to, other than the fact you may saturate your own niche.
Some LLs do get 'annoyed' if you sub to the same category in bulk, like for instance 10 lesbian sites in a row. Better to rotate with a few niches to avoid rejection for flooding a category. Not so much of a problem for niches where people don't submit to, other than the fact you may saturate your own niche.
As John Mcenroe would say: "you cannot be serious!"
So if I do 1 per day for 1 month that is ony 30 for the month, surely any LL that gets decent submissions would think 30 is nothing. Evev if they only get 100 submissions per day that is 3,000 for month putting my sites at 1% of the total for the month/day.
I can honestly say I have never had a site rejected for this, ok I ain't done freesites for a while, but I have done 4 so far this week all the same niche/site. All have been listed.
I think your'e making it up as you go along
As John Mcenroe would say: "you cannot be serious!"
So if I do 1 per day for 1 month that is ony 30 for the month, surely any LL that gets decent submissions would think 30 is nothing. Evev if they only get 100 submissions per day that is 3,000 for month putting my sites at 1% of the total for the month/day.
I can honestly say I have never had a site rejected for this, ok I ain't done freesites for a while, but I have done 4 so far this week all the same niche/site. All have been listed.
I think your'e making it up as you go along
lol, I'm not :) You do 30 lesbian subs in a row and some LLs will decline you for it. The niche you have been doing doesn't get as many subs so you will be ok.
lol, I'm not :) You do 30 lesbian subs in a row and some LLs will decline you for it. The niche you have been doing doesn't get as many subs so you will be ok.
So are LL's actually going out of their way to get less submissions?
So are LL's actually going out of their way to get less submissions?
They will always have enough submissions to the categories like lesbians, amateurs, teens etc.
They will always have enough submissions to the categories like lesbians, amateurs, teens etc.
I will being doing amateurs next so I'll see what happens.
I would like to add my little bit as a first time free site submitter....
I managed to get my very first free site uploaded last week, so far it has been accepted at Smutgremlins, LOR, Hoes, hqlinks, bluemom and I have been told by Mr Yum that he is behind but it will be listed.
In 72 hours of being accepted on each link list here are their traffic details being unique visits:
Hoes 179 (30 from new site page and 149 from category)
LOR 144 (98 from new sites page and 46 from category)
Smutgremlins 45 (17 from new sites and 28 from category)
hqlinks 5
Bluemom 2
Whilst traffic is NO where near what I expected, I do realise that this is long term and if I multiplied this by 100 free sites and the *hopefully* steady flow of traffic then a year from now maybe I can expect some income. I also realise that I cannot judge traffic on one niche, it could be that I picked a crap low traffic niche to start with.
When deciding which sites to list to, I tried to get a mix of sites that had some good search engine placement, keyword returns and established link sites. The established link sites part is important because 'in my opinion' there are a lot of link list owners that have an attitude that 'if your good enough for xyz link list then your good enough for mine'.
For example, I went to submit to three different link list sites and they would not allow me to submit to them until I had four free sites that had been listed on one of the 'big players' (like hoes).
I have a lot to learn, my wife did some networking on GG board as a lot of link listers hang out there. Anyone who is interested the site is http://www.hardrated.com/Pantyhose regarding advertising etc, I tried to play it on the safe side, I know that I am going to be judged by many of the free sites on my first few submissions so I will get more 'daring' and try new things as I go along.
I did like a previous post by rebel of a 3rd free webcam gallery which is something I shall try down the line. My wife was told by 4 of the link list owners that the site WOULD be declined if whois information was not available so I purchased a PO Box number. Do some of the link list owners act like gods? I need them more than they need me at this very moment in time so until the shift changes :)
Nice first freesite :)
Out of interest, who were the 3 that you couldn't submit to unless you had 4 sites already listed elsewhere? Were these ones that you need a partner account?
I'd stop fucking around with JS! Put the sponsor link in a simple php redirect.
In an empty file paste (change url to suit)
<?php header("Location: http://girlsgotcream.com/ref/1005674/"); ?>
Save as sponsorname.php or sponsor-name.php (however you usually name files for seo)
Point sponsor links at that file.
I know it's only the 11th but that's one of the tips of the year. A lot quicker than building a text FPA for each sponsor. Thanks a bunch Rebel :cheers2:
Paul Markham
01-11-07, 01:22 PM
Why do most LL owners have their heads stuck so far up their own arse?
They have all the rules, written and unwritten, because they have more submitters than spaces and can act like that and still make money.
Yup I gotta agree with that Jel. I've been using root level php redirect scripts for yonks, but the penny just dropped I could have been doing them on freesites and the like as well. :)
-N
They have all the rules, written and unwritten, because they have more submitters than spaces and can act like that and still make money.
but if you check out some of the linklists the categories are practically empty...
things that make you go hmmmmmmmmm...
glad to see you're learning what a freesite is, Paul :gold:
Paul Markham
01-11-07, 01:26 PM
Its getting more and more about the surfer and fuck the webmaster,
Isn't that the way it's meant to be?
Imagine you were a customer, where would you shop a place that thought more about the guy half way down the street passing out leaflets or a shop that thought more about you?
Isn't that the way it's meant to be?
Imagine you were a customer, where would you shop a place that thought more about the guy half way down the street passing out leaflets or a shop that thought more about you?
Clueless wanker springs to mind :wank2:
Paul Markham
01-11-07, 02:30 PM
Clueless wanker springs to mind :wank2:
Very true.
The LL that thinks they need to look after submitters more than surfers truly would be a clueless wanker. :wank2:
The surfers exist, they are running around looking for porn to consume. Those who give them the best, friendliest environment to suit them will be the ones who get the most of them and get the most submitters scrambling to get spots.
Anyone who thinks it's the other way around is a clueless wanker. Glad we agree.
Bang goes another informative thread.
Bang goes another informative thread.
Yeah I ain't even going to reply. There is a saying "Ignore him and he'll go away" hopefully that will work here.
Back to the freesites... Does richards realm let you know when you're listed (or rejected)?
I've been waiting a few days now with nothing... :(
Back to the freesites... Does richards realm let you know when you're listed (or rejected)?
I've been waiting a few days now with nothing... :(
No Rigz you won't be notified either way
Nice first freesite :)
Out of interest, who were the 3 that you couldn't submit to unless you had 4 sites already listed elsewhere? Were these ones that you need a partner account? Thanks for the thumbs-up, I am hoping to submit to your list on my next one, I didn't with the first as (although I knew you wouldn't as business is business) I didn't want you to think you 'should' list my site if it wasn't good enough just because you love me :gaylords:
Linkforsex was one, megapornlinks was another and I cannot remember the third, it might have been persian kitty or kitty something?
Now that we are back on track :) Does anyone else have any traffic figures, also does the Shemp allow free sites or are they gallery only?
Thanks for the thumbs-up, I am hoping to submit to your list on my next one, I didn't with the first as (although I knew you wouldn't as business is business) I didn't want you to think you 'should' list my site if it wasn't good enough just because you love me :gaylords:
Linkforsex was one, megapornlinks was another and I cannot remember the third, it might have been persian kitty or kitty something?
Ah righty, those two are partners only. Persian kitty I think is just a normal submit process, but I haven't subbed there for ages.
Now that we are back on track :) Does anyone else have any traffic figures, also does the Shemp allow free sites or are they gallery only?
Depends on the niche, your title, your description, so a lot of variables in there. The 10 or 11 listed on the front of this thread will give you decent enough traffic, but don't expect TGP style numbers. Also these listings are up for years, usually rotated, so the overall traffic figure will be usually much higher than for a gallery, just not in that one surge over a few days.
Shemp is a TGP so takes galleries only.
Ah righty, those two are partners only. Persian kitty I think is just a normal submit process, but I haven't subbed there for ages.
With Persian Kitty you need 30 pics
Yeah plus she also has the only 2 sites listed at a time blah blah blah so I don't bother.
thanks for the tips so far. i was thinking of trying a movies freesite, but the rules confused me on some of the linklists. Can they go in the niche categories or do they only go in the movies one?
SmithsMedia
01-11-07, 08:44 PM
With Persian Kitty you need 30 pics
a lot easier just to build with 3 banks of 12 if you want to be safe across the board.
thanks for the tips so far. i was thinking of trying a movies freesite, but the rules confused me on some of the linklists. Can they go in the niche categories or do they only go in the movies one?
They can go in the niche categories, and that's where you are better off submitting them for more targetted traffic than just a generic movies category :)
a lot easier just to build with 3 banks of 12 if you want to be safe across the board.
Yeah you can, but with only 2 sites being able to be listed at a time it's not worth the aggro imo. Just my personal take on having to go a bit too far outside what is 'standard' :)
scorvian
01-11-07, 09:19 PM
got any advice over this 2257 thing? what if i promote a model from an affiliate do i need to keep proof or her age if im British or is that just americans
I wouldn't give advice about 2257 so can't help yu there I'm afraid. Best bet would be to do a search here to see what others have said about it - here's a start http://www.beerandbollocks.com/forum/search.php?searchid=11922 :)
Welcome to :bandb:
got any advice over this 2257 thing? what if i promote a model from an affiliate do i need to keep proof or her age if im British or is that just americans *most* link lists are USA based and they will insist on it. All content I have purchased has had some sort of 2257 notice with it. I just copy it into a plain page and save it as 2257.htm I then place a non clickable link to it.
Nottslad
01-12-07, 03:15 AM
Now that we are back on track :) Does anyone else have any traffic figures, also does the Shemp allow free sites or are they gallery only?
I'll share with you some figures I got from one pantyhose free site I made, again it was about 8 months ago and was listed on 16 of the bigger ll's. It was the first and only site I made in that niche and I was really surprised at the low amount of traffic coming in to the site compared with the other more regular niches that I'd made free sites for. Of course, fewer submitters use that niche so chances of keeping a decent spot for longer are better.
I dont have stats on what linklists sent what as I've moved it to a new server since. But I can tell you that since I made it, it's had 348 hits to the sponsor and one sale for $25. That sale was on the second click through, so for a while I was 2:1 and I thought I was onto a winner!
This year I've had 5 clicks to the sponsor from it, am getting no SE traffic and it's still PR0.... so if I maintain current ratios I can expect one more sale in the next two years :(
Notts, the clicks your sponsor received isn't indicative at all of the traffic you got from the LLs. Those 348 hits to the sponsor could've come from 500 visitors to your freesite, or they could've come from 50,000. Your sales text and ads are what's going to get someone to click, or not. But 1 sale in 8 months... egads.
From the traffic stats that were posted earlier though - WOW. I knew it had dropped, but had no idea it was THAT bad. Seems the *only* reason to be doing free sites now is for the link juice, what little there is of it.
*most* link lists are USA based and they will insist on it. All content I have purchased has had some sort of 2257 notice with it. I just copy it into a plain page and save it as 2257.htm I then place a non clickable link to it.
Not strictly true. Most LLs are the opposite, and go by the policy that it isn't their job to determine whether you have 2257 statements. I do pretty much what you do with regards to the info and the non-clickable url. Not having a statement, or a url won't cause declines at any LL where it matters in my experience. Seems to be the TGPs that are more vocal in stating you need a 2257 link.
Nottslad
01-12-07, 06:20 AM
Notts, the clicks your sponsor received isn't indicative at all of the traffic you got from the LLs. Those 348 hits to the sponsor could've come from 500 visitors to your freesite, or they could've come from 50,000. Your sales text and ads are what's going to get someone to click, or not. But 1 sale in 8 months... egads.
From the traffic stats that were posted earlier though - WOW. I knew it had dropped, but had no idea it was THAT bad. Seems the *only* reason to be doing free sites now is for the link juice, what little there is of it.
That's true Carrie. As mentioned, I moved to a new host a few months after it had been listed and dont have access to those historical stats anymore -but I thought since it was a similar (same?) niche then it would be worth posting my experience.
It's a niche I hadn't worked with before, so probably my sales text sucked, but I do recall being surprised at just how few clicks I got from the ll's compared to the other more regular niches I'd used at the same time.
Not every freesite will make a sale unfortunately. Some won't get anywhere in the serps. Then you can make another freesite, and rank #1 for a competitive, sought after phrase, and make in excess of 100 sales from it from that listing. Granted, that doesn't happen too often :D
It does depend on many factors, but for the time spent once you have them down I still think they are worth it. The sales you get from the LL listing itself are a bonus, with the aim of a freesite to get SE traffic, the more freesites, the more long tail searches you are likely to hit, and you get the LL traffic for years to come also.
That figure of 348 to the sponsor is very low indeed, were you listed at all 16 LLs with that site? I subbed a site on Tuesday that has only been listed at a few LLs so far and that has me 63 sponsor hits, with 1 sale. It's a template I know works, and expect to make a few more sales yet from it, with the bonus of those couple of years of traffic, and possibly some SE traffic if all goes well.
Niche, sales text, layout, title and description of your listing on the LLs all play a part. It may seem like slow going at first, but I'd take freesites over galleries any day of the week. It won't make you a fortune subbing them, but it will give a good enough ROI for 60 minutes work a day to make it worthwhile :)
Nottslad
01-12-07, 06:33 AM
Not every freesite will make a sale unfortunately. Some won't get anywhere in the serps. Then you can make another freesite, and rank #1 for a competitive, sought after phrase, and make in excess of 100 sales from it from that listing. Granted, that doesn't happen too often :D
It does depend on many factors, but for the time spent once you have them down I still think they are worth it. The sales you get from the LL listing itself are a bonus, with the aim of a freesite to get SE traffic, the more freesites, the more long tail searches you are likely to hit, and you get the LL traffic for years to come also.
That figure of 348 to the sponsor is very low indeed, were you listed at all 16 LLs with that site? I subbed a site on Tuesday that has only been listed at a few LLs so far and that has me 63 sponsor hits, with 1 sale. It's a template I know works, and expect to make a few more sales yet from it, with the bonus of those couple of years of traffic, and possibly some SE traffic if all goes well.
Niche, sales text, layout, title and description of your listing on the LLs all play a part. It may seem like slow going at first, but I'd take freesites over galleries any day of the week. It won't make you a fortune subbing them, but it will give a good enough ROI for 60 minutes work a day to make it worthwhile :)
Jel, I'm pretty sure I was listed at all the 16 I subbed too, I was quite particular about maintaining my preferred submission list and had it fine tuned to submit only to places that regularly accepted me and gave me good traffic. However, I had it all on an excel spreadsheet I didn't back up, then had a hard drive failure, lost it and didnt feel like starting from almost scratch again. That's kind of when I gave up with freesites.
Sure, some freesites do get good SE traffic. There's one of mine I can think of, in fact I think it was my second or third ever freesite 3 years ago that would no way get accepted now, I'm up to about 30 sales with it and still get another every few weeks. I have a second one that's made me about 15 sales in a year and a half and still does. But that's like two out of 35 freesites or so.
Maybe I ought to have another go at these. I think if I got my act together and had 31 different templates, one for each day of the month, and my preferred submit list again it wouldn't be hard to submit every day. It's just that initial workload with something I'm not too sure on any more.
Jel, I'm pretty sure I was listed at all the 16 I subbed too, I was quite particular about maintaining my preferred submission list. However, I had it all on an excel spreadsheet I didn't back up, then had a hard drive failure, lost it and didnt feel like starting from almost scratch again. That's kind of when I gave up with freesites.
Sure, some freesites do get good SE traffic. There's one of mine I can think of, in fact I think it was my second or third ever freesite 3 years ago that would no way get accepted now, I'm up to about 30 sales with it and still get another every few weeks. I have a second two that's made me about 15 sales in a year and a half and still does. But that's like two out of 35 freesites or so.
Maybe I ought to have another go at these. I think if I got my act together and had 30 different templates, one for each day of the week, my preferred submit list again it wouldnt be too hard to submit every day. It's just that initial workload with something I'm not too sure on any more.
Yeah I saw after I posted that it was a less popular niche :)
I'd replicate those 2 or 3 sites that have made you the decent sales and tweak them so they'd get accepted nowadays just plopping in some new content and going for a different keyphrase to see what happens. If it fits in with your daily routine that is. I hear you on the initial workload, that's the awkward part, getting those templates and tweaking them until you pretty much know they will make sales. Good luck to you if you decide to have another bash at it :cheers2:
Nottslad
01-12-07, 06:45 AM
Here's the site I'm talking about:
Pantyhose Freesite (http://www.webporn4u.com/fs/pantyhose/cummy-pantyhose/1/)
Not looking for a full review (lots of the things Jel mentioned in the previous review of my other site apply) and I also realise that in terms of SE keywords it's not that great, but thought I'd share it anyway.
Nottslad
01-12-07, 06:58 AM
Ok Jel, here's one for you before I head off to bed:
Hardcore banners/pics on the index. I tried to stay away from it as some ll's wouldn't accept it, but I dont think I refined my submit list that fine.
Generally speaking - yes or no?
Ok Jel, here's one for you before I head off to bed:
Hardcore banners/pics on the index. I tried to stay away from it as some ll's wouldn't accept it, but I dont think I refined my submit list that fine.
Generally speaking - yes or no?
Yeah I put hardcore images on the front page when I use banners there.
Sexvilly
01-12-07, 09:05 AM
lol, I'm not :) You do 30 lesbian subs in a row and some LLs will decline you for it. The niche you have been doing doesn't get as many subs so you will be ok.
I see the only reason they can decline one person for 30 submits in a row - similar looking freesite designs. I used to do myself bunch of freesites with same paysite/several days in a row. But I don't use templates at all, and each my freesite looks different, so it was ok. And now I just can't do same niche free several days, It's boring.
By the way, reason why you want to make several freesite in a row - you get all top positions in your category.
I see the only reason they can decline one person for 30 submits in a row - similar looking freesite designs. I used to do myself bunch of freesites with same paysite/several days in a row. But I don't use templates at all, and each my freesite looks different, so it was ok. And now I just can't do same niche free several days, It's boring.
By the way, reason why you want to make several freesite in a row - you get all top positions in your category.
Nice points :) This is what I was saying earlier about 'over saturating' your own niche, it's a fine line. I prefer the trickle effect, but whatever works for each person is obviously the way to go.
Nottslad - The only thing against that site that hit me was your use of sponsor content, the minute I see logo's on images it puts me off, I am not experienced enough to say you shouldn't do this but I have been buying cheap content. I figured if I could buy a set of images for $10.00 and make one free site, one gallery for TGP and maybe 2-3 entries on a blog to run alongside my free sites then it will be money well spent.
My largest time consumer is cropping the pictures and editing sizes one by one, I will get quicker at it as I go along, so now we just have to pin Jel down and torture him to get that winning formula for a template out of him :o)
Sexvilly
01-12-07, 09:30 AM
Now that we are back on track :) Does anyone else have any traffic figures, also does the Shemp allow free sites or are they gallery only?
Shemp galleries only.
Here's how I picked up a link-list to submit to. Minimum for link-list index- and main- PR4 and PR3 for category- pages where your link will be located. I don't bother about ll traffic and as Jel say - it's a Bonus. You submit for link-backs, so check the place where your link will be achived first. Stay away from link-lists with scripts where your freesite title linked thru something like .cgi?=sitenum243... You won't benefit from this. Stay away from link-lists who make category1,category2,category3 pages as over the time your link go away to page8 and you won't benefit from this either.
and DON'T TELL I haven't warned you:
Many many submitters lately came to freesite arena... Around this year, and I'm getting a bunch of submit from russians, so expect competition. And in what form? BIG Link-lists start getting more freesites, renew their lists more often and as a result your link won't be on first page or on top of the long list too much anymore... Solution - submit to smallers lists too. My database, about 127 link-lists.
Does anyone here make say three or four different front pages with a different list of ll's on? So for example index1.htm, index2.htm and so on but all leading to the same main page?
Shemp galleries only.
Here's how I picked up a link-list to submit to. Minimum for link-list index- and main- PR4 and PR3 for category- pages where your link will be located. I don't bother about ll traffic and as Jel say - it's a Bonus. You submit for link-backs, so check the place where your link will be achived first. Stay away from link-lists with scripts where your freesite title linked thru something like .cgi?=sitenum243... You won't benefit from this. Stay away from link-lists who make category1,category2,category3 pages as over the time your link go away to page8 and you won't benefit from this either.
:thumbsup:
and DON'T TELL I haven't warned you:
Many many submitters lately came to freesite arena... Around this year, and I'm getting a bunch of submit from russians, so expect competition. And in what form? BIG Link-lists start getting more freesites, renew their lists more often and as a result your link won't be on first page or on top of the long list too much anymore... Solution - submit to smallers lists too. My database, about 127 link-lists.
Yeah I'm seeing those submits too. Most are a pile of shit, so not altogether sure there's that much extra competition. Obviously I get nowhere near as many submits as the big established LLs, so may be off there.
About being at the top of the page; most of the ones I sub to rotate listings, so it's just the 'new' links at the top that you are missing out on. Is that where the freeloaders go to see that days new pics, or where the guy looking for something to buy goes to check out what's new? Fine line.
Renew more often - hmm, I think they update the same amount, once daily, and as you can sub more or less just 1 freesite per day, you can't really do much about that, other than *possibly* saturate your own niche like I said earlier. You have a good sponsor and sub the same niche every day for 1 month, so you have a bunch of sites in that 'new' area within the category (for those that do that) and the surfer sees 30 sets of pics/movies. Again, depends what side of the line you personally prefer to be on, not saying either one is any better than the other.
With the smaller lists, do you see much benefit from subbing to that many LLs? I stopped subbing to over 100 and went down to 45 or so, until now I sub to 16-20 as par, and sometimes make a mirror page with certain niches. I assume you do this to spread the keyphrases so you have 9-12 keyphrases with the same freesite? Not sure I could spend the time doing that for the rewards that much effort takes, I prefer spending 60 mins max a day on a freesite.
Out of interest, how long per day do you spend on building and subbing a typical freesite?
Jel which is your link list, what I thought it was isn't :confused:
Does anyone here make say three or four different front pages with a different list of ll's on? So for example index1.htm, index2.htm and so on but all leading to the same main page?
Yeah, when making more than 1 mirror I did, and now when I do the 2nd (rare) mirror.
I name and optimise the same as an internal page, so say your site is domain.com/asian-fucking-movies/ I'd make the mirror domain.com/asian-fucking-movies/asian-fucking-videos.html and do the title tag, H1, on-page title and on page seo to include that phrase, and lead to the same mainpage.
Some say that not only gives you the secondary keyphrase, but then you have say 16 Class Cs linking to the true index, another 16 linking to the mirror(s), which in turn flows to that central mainpage. Not sure how, if at all, accurate that is.
I only have a couple of small ones (fnarr fnarr). cfnmparty.co.uk and porn-xxx-porn.com (very very new).
Sexvilly
01-12-07, 11:29 AM
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Renew more often - hmm, I think they update the same amount, once daily, and as you can sub more or less just 1 freesite per day, you can't really do much about that, other than *possibly* saturate your own niche like I said earlier. You have a good sponsor and sub the same niche every day for 1 month, so you have a bunch of sites in that 'new' area within the category (for those that do that) and the surfer sees 30 sets of pics/movies. Again, depends what side of the line you personally prefer to be on, not saying either one is any better than the other.
yes, they will still review once a day, but your sites will disappear from the category list faster, drop in the bottom or get archived on another page. no matter what category. imagine all gallery posters start to make freesites and submitting them to popular link-lists. not sure with ones that rotate listings.
With the smaller lists, do you see much benefit from subbing to that many LLs? I stopped subbing to over 100 and went down to 45 or so, until now I sub to 16-20 as par, and sometimes make a mirror page with certain niches. I assume you do this to spread the keyphrases so you have 9-12 keyphrases with the same freesite? Not sure I could spend the time doing that for the rewards that much effort takes, I prefer spending 60 mins max a day on a freesite.
I don't know how to check if it's worth submitting to all 127 or not? is it possible to figure that out? I need help here.
Out of interest, how long per day do you spend on building and subbing a typical freesite?
now about 4 hours with submitting (it was 8 hours and I had been organizing the rest tasks for the day around freesite building time). which I think is awully long, but I have no idea how to cut it out. I write new texts for each free site, new banners, new layout for each page. Now start adding a full paragraph of text to each page too.
Nottslad - The only thing against that site that hit me was your use of sponsor content, the minute I see logo's on images it puts me off, I am not experienced enough to say you shouldn't do this but I have been buying cheap content. I figured if I could buy a set of images for $10.00 and make one free site, one gallery for TGP and maybe 2-3 entries on a blog to run alongside my free sites then it will be money well spent.
My largest time consumer is cropping the pictures and editing sizes one by one, I will get quicker at it as I go along, so now we just have to pin Jel down and torture him to get that winning formula for a template out of him :o)
I never (well never except the odd time I happen to forget lol) Use images without watermarks. I watermark my own content with our site url. I ALWAYS crop the thumbs so that watermarks aren't showing on them though. It makes the galleries look nicer if there's no blur of a watermark on the thumb (it's not like they can be read on a thumb anyway).
There are a LOT of thieves out there. Webmasters that will steal your site and submit it as their own. Surfers who just take the pics and post them all over forums. Plus P2P and newsgroups. Having your content stolen is a fact of life. But it's amazing how many visitors having your url on those stolen pics will bring in, visitors that you ain't gonna get if you just leave your content clean and unmarked.
It's about leaving money on the table. It's about at least trying to minimise the damage when your content is stolen.
I never (well never except the odd time I happen to forget lol) Use images without watermarks. I watermark my own content with our site url. I ALWAYS crop the thumbs so that watermarks aren't showing on them though. It makes the galleries look nicer if there's no blur of a watermark on the thumb (it's not like they can be read on a thumb anyway).
There are a LOT of thieves out there. Webmasters that will steal your site and submit it as their own. Surfers who just take the pics and post them all over forums. Plus P2P and newsgroups. Having your content stolen is a fact of life. But it's amazing how many visitors having your url on those stolen pics will bring in, visitors that you ain't gonna get if you just leave your content clean and unmarked.
It's about leaving money on the table. It's about at least trying to minimise the damage when your content is stolen.
NO don't tell me that lol... okay, looks like another to do on my long list
Any feedback on first attempted movie free site please
http://www.hardrated.com/panties/mfs/
Would appreciate comments as well regarding could this slot into Lesbian category or is it too soft?
yes, they will still review once a day, but your sites will disappear from the category list faster, drop in the bottom or get archived on another page. no matter what category. imagine all gallery posters start to make freesites and submitting them to popular link-lists. not sure with ones that rotate listings.
Yeah I hear what you are saying. 99% of LLs list you for all time, and a big heap rotate, so I don't worry too much about that.
I don't know how to check if it's worth submitting to all 127 or not? is it possible to figure that out? I need help here.
Stats on whether those mirrors are making sales, and whether (if you link all mirrors to 1 mainpage) that mainpage does any good in serps as a general rule - obviously not all sites/pages get good serps. Time spent on making the mirrors and subbing them, and if you change things to make each page unique etc.
now about 4 hours with submitting (it was 8 hours and I had been organizing the rest tasks for the day around freesite building time). which I think is awully long, but I have no idea how to cut it out. I write new texts for each free site, new banners, new layout for each page. Now start adding a full paragraph of text to each page too.
To me that's too long. 1 hour a day on building/subbing, and that leaves an extra 3 hours for other stuff like portals, link trading etc. You would probably be better off spending that 3 hours a day researching keywords, and tweaking text copy on adwords.
Templates are the thing here, from then it's adjusting text rather than completely re-writing everything from scratch. Freesites are good as an additional income, but imo shouldn't be the mainstay of your business, just a small part of it.
I would consider for the next 2 months using existing templates you have, adjusting text rather than re-working, and subbing to just 16-20 LLs. I bet you see little or no difference in sales, and you will have a lot more time to work on things with a higher $ return for your time.
Any feedback on first attempted movie free site please
http://www.hardrated.com/panties/mfs/
Would appreciate comments as well regarding could this slot into Lesbian category or is it too soft?
Not bad at all for a first freesite :)
Couple of things, entry page only has 2 outgoing links, always use 3 on this prime ad page, try a call to action right below the site title, 'Click Here For Instant Access To Insane Lesbo Fuck Movies!' or some such, so the first thing the surfer focuses on is that tagline. Always use text with a banner, so another piece of text below that banner you have with a juicy tagline.
Take my porn-xxx-porn recip down, I don't require one for freesites ;) (I ask for 1 recip on the root of whichever domain the freesite is on. I get an root link, you get an extra inbound to the freesite without using up a recip spot)
Diectory structure, apparently SES count deep directories as less important than shallow ones, so I'd personally move that folder to the root, so you have domain.com/freesitetitleasfoldertitle/ (or with hyphens depending on your preference). How true that is I don't know, I'm not much on seo, but I see no harm in not cutting out http://www.hardrated.com/panties/ (which is open btw).
Was hardrated not the domain you plan to evolve into a LL? Remember about the selling the LL down the line and losing all the freesites (and /blog/ ) if it is. If not ignore me :D
mainpage has space for another sponsor link, as does gallery 1.
You can change each page title to go for other keyphrases.
You might be mixing things up a bit too much with the bbros banner, focus on either lesbians, or panties. With those particular clips I'd personally be inclined to push the panty aspect. Doesn't mean you have to of course :)
Sexvilly
01-13-07, 10:12 AM
Any feedback on first attempted movie free site please
http://www.hardrated.com/panties/mfs/
Would appreciate comments as well regarding could this slot into Lesbian category or is it too soft?
do you use Autosubmitter or something (recips are matched to the same size)? I think many link-list owners won't like that as I'm getting many automatic submissions and those freesites usually less quality.
thanks Jel for reply :cheers2:
Many thanks for the comments... I will add a third advert, I was looking at it this way, I want to gain clicks to the adverts I have, they are two I am pushing at the moment and I just thought adding a 3rd would dilute it. If they are going to click an advert I would prefer it to be one of those but yes agree, they might not be everyones cup of tea.
The hardrated.com domain is going to be my own internal hub, just my links on (remembered your selling comments). My own link list will be on an entirely different domain. I am going to make hard rated seem like a link list but really it is my hub. The categories for hard rated are each going to link to a folder with my own material in the folder. For example, clicking BBW will take you (eventually) to a page that will contain a string of BBW free sites and gallery listings, some will be my own, others will be sponsors free hosted and also a blog. I am going to do this for each category.
Maybe I will need to think of a re-structure, I just didn't want it getting too messy, hence the empty panties folder which will soon have a list of all my sites or sponsors on.
Regarding the 'open' comment, how do I close this or will it be closed once I place an index in it?
Many thanks
Richard
Not bad at all for a first freesite :)
Couple of things, entry page only has 2 outgoing links, always use 3 on this prime ad page, try a call to action right below the site title, 'Click Here For Instant Access To Insane Lesbo Fuck Movies!' or some such, so the first thing the surfer focuses on is that tagline. Always use text with a banner, so another piece of text below that banner you have with a juicy tagline.
Take my porn-xxx-porn recip down, I don't require one for freesites ;) (I ask for 1 recip on the root of whichever domain the freesite is on. I get an root link, you get an extra inbound to the freesite without using up a recip spot)
Diectory structure, apparently SES count deep directories as less important than shallow ones, so I'd personally move that folder to the root, so you have domain.com/freesitetitleasfoldertitle/ (or with hyphens depending on your preference). How true that is I don't know, I'm not much on seo, but I see no harm in not cutting out http://www.hardrated.com/panties/ (which is open btw).
Was hardrated not the domain you plan to evolve into a LL? Remember about the selling the LL down the line and losing all the freesites (and /blog/ ) if it is. If not ignore me :D
mainpage has space for another sponsor link, as does gallery 1.
You can change each page title to go for other keyphrases.
You might be mixing things up a bit too much with the bbros banner, focus on either lesbians, or panties. With those particular clips I'd personally be inclined to push the panty aspect. Doesn't mean you have to of course :)
do you use Autosubmitter or something (recips are matched to the same size)? I think many link-list owners won't like that as I'm getting many automatic submissions and those freesites usually less quality.
thanks Jel for reply :cheers2:
No I changed them as I want them to all look the same size, it is bad enough on the eye as it is with a mix of colours. As I develop I will start using my own colour tables but the first few are what I shall be judged on. It is not all my own work, wife helped on a lot too...
Can I just say that when people say build a 1 freesite per day this doesn't actually mean you should build 1 per day.
Today I will build 6, 1 for today and then 1 for each day next week, repeat again next saturday ;)
Many thanks for the comments... I will add a third advert, I was looking at it this way, I want to gain clicks to the adverts I have, they are two I am pushing at the moment and I just thought adding a 3rd would dilute it. If they are going to click an advert I would prefer it to be one of those but yes agree, they might not be everyones cup of tea.
The hardrated.com domain is going to be my own internal hub, just my links on (remembered your selling comments). My own link list will be on an entirely different domain. I am going to make hard rated seem like a link list but really it is my hub. The categories for hard rated are each going to link to a folder with my own material in the folder. For example, clicking BBW will take you (eventually) to a page that will contain a string of BBW free sites and gallery listings, some will be my own, others will be sponsors free hosted and also a blog. I am going to do this for each category.
Maybe I will need to think of a re-structure, I just didn't want it getting too messy, hence the empty panties folder which will soon have a list of all my sites or sponsors on.
Regarding the 'open' comment, how do I close this or will it be closed once I place an index in it?
Many thanks
Richard
That directory will be closed when you stick an index in. You can also add a line in your htaccess but I can't find it now.
Regarding the 3rd ad, you have it to push the main site(s) you are already promoting, not a different one :)
Can I just say that when people say build a 1 freesite per day this doesn't actually mean you should build 1 per day.
Today I will build 6, 1 for today and then 1 for each day next week, repeat again next saturday ;)
You're a better man than me - I get bored doing more than 1 at a time.
Jel when you say template, do you mean just the general layout of the text, ads, and pics... or do you mean having the specific text in there too?
Like:
TITLE HERE
text {PICTURE}
ACTION LINK
(where you have to change out all of the text, ads, and pictures)
or
Sexy Brunettes
watch as these {pic}
babes suck cock{pic}
Click for BrunetteSuckers
(where all you have change out is the pictures?)
??
Jel when you say template, do you mean just the general layout of the text, ads, and pics... or do you mean having the specific text in there too?
Like:
TITLE HERE
text {PICTURE}
ACTION LINK
(where you have to change out all of the text, ads, and pictures)
or
Sexy Brunettes
watch as these {pic}
babes suck cock{pic}
Click for BrunetteSuckers
(where all you have change out is the pictures?)
??
Personally, everything, so that all you need to swap is the pics, and adjust text rather than starting text from scratch, to cover your targetted keyphrases. So I build a freesite for a particular paysite, have all the calls to action/taglines, and filler text for food for both surfer and spider. Everything is in place, including recip tables (some prefer calls, I find it easier this way). That gets subbed, and then copied to a folder such as
templates/freesites/01/ (I remove the content from the template folder, and have now set banners as an absolute path, for future, so that banners get called from this 'live' freesite. Obviously if you prefer you can have all banners in a folder on your server and call from there)
Next day I bould a freesite from scratch for the next paysite, again everything done, and recips as necessary, to the point of completion, sub that, and copy it in
templates/freesites/02/
and so on, rotating with for example 3 paysites, so day 4 would be the same paysite as day 01, but a completely different layout. I do this until I have 31 or more templates (unique freesites as a whole), so on the 16th of the month I open up templates/freesites/16/ and save everything in there to my new freesite folder for that day, adjusting meta tags, title, H1 and on page text throughout the 4 pages to reflect whatever keyphrases I m targetting. Sort out the content, search & replace to swap (as I name pics/movies keyphrase-goes-here.jpg/wmv with 'keyphrase-goes-here' being the same as I have named the gallery page(s) ) as applicable and make any tweaks to calls to action I feel necessary, if at all.
If any LLs have changed their recip, or I choose to swap one or two out, I do that, then sub it. I'll then overwrite the /templates/freesites/16/ if I have made any changes/tweaks that I want to carry over to the next month with the new folder I have just submitted.
TheShiftyEyedBastard
01-15-07, 04:39 AM
Do you think freesites are going to remain a viable option even though some are saying ll's are dropping in the SE's because of the recip linking algo?
Do you think freesites are going to remain a viable option even though some are saying ll's are dropping in the SE's because of the recip linking algo?
Hmm. I do think so yes, simply because it's little work for years worth of listings. I think you'll see more LLs go back to linking only to the index, with the standard 2 links, using 2 different anchors, and using their own link trades to bolster the categories inbound links.
I just done a very quick and unscientific test on google, and this is what I see:
interracial porn - 5 LLs in top 10 (#1 spot is hoes)
amateur porn - 1 LL (#1 penisbot)
lesbian porn - 1 LL (#1 penisbot)
teen porn - 2 LLs (#1 penisbot)
latina porn - 7 LLs (#1 hoes)
reality porn - 4 LLs (#1 jays)
anal porn 2 LLs (#1 penisbot)
black porn 3 LLs (#1 hoes)
Couldn't be bothered to look further, or check the other SES, but yeah, still a viable option for the amount of work imo.
TheShiftyEyedBastard
01-15-07, 10:13 AM
Hmm. I do think so yes, simply because it's little work for years worth of listings. I think you'll see more LLs go back to linking only to the index, with the standard 2 links, using 2 different anchors, and using their own link trades to bolster the categories inbound links.
I just done a very quick and unscientific test on google, and this is what I see:
interracial porn - 5 LLs in top 10 (#1 spot is hoes)
amateur porn - 1 LL (#1 penisbot)
lesbian porn - 1 LL (#1 penisbot)
teen porn - 2 LLs (#1 penisbot)
latina porn - 7 LLs (#1 hoes)
reality porn - 4 LLs (#1 jays)
anal porn 2 LLs (#1 penisbot)
black porn 3 LLs (#1 hoes)
Couldn't be bothered to look further, or check the other SES, but yeah, still a viable option for the amount of work imo.
Damn, still looks pretty good SERPS wise, doesn't seem as dismal as some were leading me to believe.
Dirty Derek
01-15-07, 11:08 AM
OK... I've been working on a freesite this weekend for one of my avs sites, and would really appreciate some feedback. I never realised freesites were such a science!
http://www.voyeurpornpost.com/voyeur_movies/001/index.html
All comments appreciated.
Looks good to me Derek, possibly using a yellow font as the link to your site will help that stand out more, (just seen it changes on mouseover, really you want them to notice the links without having to scroll over them) also the movies are pretty long. Minimum req. is 120 secs total, 10 secs per clip, so you could cut each clip to 15-20 secs with no probs if you wanted to :)
Space for another link on the index too, 'or Go Straight To SadVoyeur.com' below the enter link can work well :)
Dirty Derek
01-15-07, 11:35 AM
Thanks Jel,
Just doing some more movie clips now and keeping them to approx 20 secs.
You sure about another link on index? I count 3 with the banner.
Good idea about the yellow link.
Thanks
Dirty Derek
01-15-07, 11:38 AM
Oops... no you're right, there's only 2 links.
I see 2 links, the top one: You Can Watch All My Secret Voyeur Movies At
SadVoyeur.com
And the banner (add linked text, never have a banner without some 'prompt' text).
Dirty Derek
01-15-07, 11:49 AM
If I make my links yellow, will I also have to make all other links the same colour?
nah you can make them whatever color you want. At the moment your internal and recip links blend in a bit, so I'd leave those as is, and make the sponsor ones yellow or some other high contasting colour to bring attention to them :)
Dirty Derek
01-15-07, 12:07 PM
Cheers
That directory will be closed when you stick an index in. You can also add a line in your htaccess but I can't find it now.
That would be
Options -Indexes
in your .htaccess to turn generation of a directory listing if there is no index.html. (The dash is significant!) Your surfers will then get a 403 Forbidden error instead.
Regarding the earlier issue of permanent/temporary redirects in .htaccess -- you can do both, at least if you're using the RewriteEngine (in which case, temporary redirection is the default).
RewriteEngine On
RewriteBase /
RewriteRule ^sponsor1.html http://sponsor.com/?ref_id=me [L,R]
RewriteRule ^sponsor2.html http://sponsor2.com/?ref_id=me [L,R=permanent]
First one gives you a 402 temporary redirect, which Rebel says is good for your SEO, while the second is a 401 permanent, which the SEs should interpret just like a normal link, which is good for the target (though rumour has it that they've recently started interpreting temporary redirects to external sites as direct links since you can otherwise use them to hijack a page's position in the SEs). I prefer doing things via .htaccess or the server config, but that's just my preference; doing it in PHP as Rebel suggested should work just as well.
Anyway, back to freesites -- I recently decided to start making some freesites, and built my first one this weekend: http://blonde.jo-blog.com/ I've been reading the reviews in this thread with interest, and I'll try to keep them in mind while I make the next one; but do you have any comments on mine? What I'm doing wrong and what I'm doing right (if anything), etc?
That would be
Options -Indexes
in your .htaccess to turn generation of a directory listing if there is no index.html. (The dash is significant!) Your surfers will then get a 403 Forbidden error instead.
Regarding the earlier issue of permanent/temporary redirects in .htaccess -- you can do both, at least if you're using the RewriteEngine (in which case, temporary redirection is the default).
RewriteEngine On
RewriteBase /
RewriteRule ^sponsor1.html http://sponsor.com/?ref_id=me [L,R]
RewriteRule ^sponsor2.html http://sponsor2.com/?ref_id=me [L,R=permanent]
First one gives you a 402 temporary redirect, which Rebel says is good for your SEO, while the second is a 401 permanent, which the SEs should interpret just like a normal link, which is good for the target (though rumour has it that they've recently started interpreting temporary redirects to external sites as direct links since you can otherwise use them to hijack a page's position in the SEs). I prefer doing things via .htaccess or the server config, but that's just my preference; doing it in PHP as Rebel suggested should work just as well.
Anyway, back to freesites -- I recently decided to start making some freesites, and built my first one this weekend: http://blonde.jo-blog.com/ I've been reading the reviews in this thread with interest, and I'll try to keep them in mind while I make the next one; but do you have any comments on mine? What I'm doing wrong and what I'm doing right (if anything), etc?
That'll be the one, thanks Helene :)
OK the freesite,
Problem #1 is it's on a subdomain, which means instant rejection before they even click the link to view the site. Use folders instead :)
http://blonde.jo-blog.com/
Not enough text here for either SES or surfers, and not enough, nor aggressive enough, marketing. This is the page to sell from. The top of the page before the scroll is the only part of the site that surfers are guaranteed to see. Smack them in the face with some killer text and a call to action right before they focus on anything else. Do more of the conventional pre-selling a bit further in, but the 1st job in hand is to get the surfer off to the paysite asap. Get mr impulse buyer hooked and on his way.
Always use text in conjunction with banners. Banners for the most part are blah-blah to a surfer, he's seen them so many times he doesn't notice them for the most part, use the banner to seperate from 1 piece of text area to the next, and hook them with the tagline. Always use 3 ads on the entry page also :)
http://blonde.jo-blog.com/main.html
Fwiw you may as well change the filename to keyphrasegoeshere.html, and do the usual stuff like change titles (metas) and H1 etc.
Plenty of text which is good, but needs some stand-out phrases to get the surfers interest, as that text is pre-selling. change the font color to red or something for certain phrases like "amazing high-quality shots of the girls’ most intimate parts" and "you had your face right between her legs", maybe using < em > tags also. Hopefully this will draw the surfers eye, he'll read that line, then be inquisitive as to how it relates to what you've written before that, so he'll naturally read the whole text to 'make sense' of it. That in itself makes him curios and hopefully a little horny, so right below that block you stick the call to action 'Click Here For Access To The Movies' or some such.
It means dropping one of the other links on the page though, so up to you whether you want to do that. Add linked text below the banner with a juicy tagline/call to action.
Some LLs *may* get arsey about having basically a FPA before the gallery links. Maybe stick the first gallery link before any text, aligned to the right so it's not hidden, but not in an obvious place the surfer would be looking, then have the second gallery link aligned to the left (under the text), for a symmetrical balance, or again to the right for a uniform look.
http://blonde.jo-blog.com/jo-kitchen/gallery.html
Same thing with filename etc. The graphic text link will be considered blind by most.
Pic sizes are pretty big, believe it or not you can get rejected for them being too big, as dial-up users have to wait too long for the pics to load. Depends whether you want the pixel size to be as large as that to give them an idea of what they are getting, I tend to give them around 750 on the long side at most. Full size sample, have that as a 'bonus' pic in addition to the 10 as per the dial-up surfers and them having 10 pics to view as 'normal'.
Add text to the top banner.
http://blonde.jo-blog.com/jo-bath/gallery.html
Same as gallery one.
Hope that helps a bit :cheers2:
Thanks! That should cut down on the needless fumbling in the dark... :cheers2:
I'm mostly used to writing academic text, so writing good sales text with bold unsubstantiated claims is a bit of a challenge... ;)
MrNaked69
01-15-07, 10:01 PM
I'd stop fucking around with JS! Put the sponsor link in a simple php redirect.
In an empty file paste (change url to suit)
Save as sponsorname.php or sponsor-name.php (however you usually name files for seo)
Point sponsor links at that file.
This has several benefits over the JS.
1: It hides the code without relying on the surfer having JS enabled or being smart enough to click the link without releasing the button to see where the link is going (I do that if I happen to have JS enabled for some reason hehe). It also looks like an internal link for those extra paranoid surfers who don't even want to go offsite.
2: It allows you to have 1 file for the sponsor that all your freesites link to. If something happens and the link needs changing then you can change it in that one file and all your freesites promoting the sponsor using that file will use the link.
3: As a redirect method it is server-side. It doesn't rely on the surfer have meta-refresh enabled or scripts running etc. There's nothing the surfer can do to stop being redirected.
4: Search engines DO index the redirect pages. (They get indexed as the sponsor site - so it's like those nice occasions when your sponsor links get indexed)
I rarely use JS to even hide my ref codes, I have used htaccess to redirect and that got rejected by some scripts due to the redirect. Will this form of redirecting be detected by scripts?
With the 3 outgoing links per page, can i link back to my hub &/or a blog on each page? Or is this sponsor only.
I got a rejection just yesterday for adding my Linklist to my recip area. A BULLSHIT rejection if you ask me, as my LL is real, takes submissions and does send traffic to the site submitted. So it really does depend on the submitter. I have never had a problem with a "More links availible at Domain" as long as it is not a blind link. But I would keep them out of the recip area if they are not "true linklists"
Depends on the reviewer. If you have a link back to your hub in the recip area you won't run into any problems. Regarding the link to blog, it's a money making link, so imo it's best to include that as one of your 3 outgoing links.
In most cases (see above) I have run across one but unfortunately I deleted the email, without thinking. I am sure to get another rejection for the same BS one of these day. In my opinion that site owner can go fuck themselves.
I rarely use JS to even hide my ref codes, I have used htaccess to redirect and that got rejected by some scripts due to the redirect. Will this form of redirecting be detected by scripts?
I wouldn't have thought so, some sponsors use a redirect method within their linking codes, but I know nothing about techy stuff tbh so not sure if it's the same thing at all. If Rebel is using them then you can pretty much take it that you'll be fine.
I got a rejection just yesterday for adding my Linklist to my recip area. A BULLSHIT rejection if you ask me, as my LL is real, takes submissions and does send traffic to the site submitted. So it really does depend on the submitter. I have never had a problem with a "More links availible at Domain" as long as it is not a blind link. But I would keep them out of the recip area if they are not "true linklists"
I'd just drop the LL in question.
In most cases (see above) I have run across one but unfortunately I deleted the email, without thinking. I am sure to get another rejection for the same BS one of these day. In my opinion that site owner can go fuck themselves.
Yup. Most LLs worth subbing to you have to play by their rules, but when you are worrying too much about things like that, and not on the objective, ie sales, then it's time to start trimming/changing your submit list.
So, how about JavaScript counter / stat code -- like the ones from Google Analytics or Statcounter? Is that generally considered a no-no as well?
3rd party counters are generally a no-no. Saying that, there was a discussion on analytics but I can't remember the outcome.
For freesites they aren't worth the aggro of the time in my experience. Use your standard awstats or whatever, and see who is generally listing you. Some reviewers are a long way behind, as in 6 months behind, so it's a lot of messing around over analysing what should really be a simple build/submit 1 hour a day job.
I say this on every board, but for stats I use a very nice freeware script called TraceWatch (www.tracewatch.com)
It runs locally on your server, uses php/mysql db. I use the php include to count stats on every page... but since you cannot have *.php files, set your .htaccess to parse html as php.
So I have gallery1.html that has the include within it, so I can track individual users, where they came from, how long they stayed, etc etc.
Nice thread btw, Jel!
Nice thread Jel.
Thanks for telling me about it Sexvilly.
Dirty Derek
01-17-07, 09:42 PM
Just got 3 sales in a row from the freesite I submitted on 15th following the above guidelines. Excellent start!
Extreme bumpage but got sent to this thread by Jel from my idiots guide post - have had a read of this and have made my first attempt now looking for critique. Deliberately kept the design and layout simple but if thats wrong then please just say - the two things I think are wrong/missing are maybe giving away too much content and not enough text/words for search engines.
Anyway, do your worst but please bear in mind this is my first attempt so dont be too harsh Geezer :P
http://www.soloheaven.com/naughty_anal_ruth/
Just about to run out the door but use just 2 galleries of 12 pics each, you have enough content there for 2 freesites :)
Just about to run out the door but use just 2 galleries of 12 pics each, you have enough content there for 2 freesites :)
Thanks. Would be good if you could have a nosey around when you have some time - no point in me trying to build any more or start submitting this one till I get the first one right or as close as I can.
Changed to two galleries - still 16 pics in each but Im assuming thats not a problem.
Personally I'd have more sales text on the main page, with a call to action, but I do get a bit wordy. Would also be worth labelling gallery 1 and 2, some places will accuse you of having blind links. A number of LL's will have a hissy fit about no mention of 2257 too.
Personally I'd have more sales text on the main page, with a call to action, but I do get a bit wordy. Would also be worth labelling gallery 1 and 2, some places will accuse you of having blind links. A number of LL's will have a hissy fit about no mention of 2257 too.
Added gallery labels and a 2257 link on the index page - the words I know Im falling short on so am going to have to try and find some inspiration from somewhere. This is one of my weakest areas hence why blogs will never be the thing for me!
I love the text on the front
Ruth is a hot 22 year old blonde British babe with a liking for sticking things in her bum!
A number of LL's will have a hissy fit about no mention of 2257 too.
Which is a very funny reminder of how some people in the industry don't have even a basic understanding of the industry they work in.
Which is a very funny reminder of how some people in the industry don't have even a basic understanding of the industry they work in.
And you know what? That is the real worry.
Which is a very funny reminder of how some people in the industry don't have even a basic understanding of the industry they work in.
Quite agree, I was shocked at the hoops I had to jump through to get freesites listed when I started again earlier this year, hence why I've concentrated on other bits and pieces for a while. I am intending to hit the freesite circuit hard though soon, just need to get myself organised.
Anybody remember the "Webmaster Friendly" movement a few years ago, that seems to have gone out the window.
Quite agree, I was shocked at the hoops I had to jump through to get freesites listed when I started again earlier this year, hence why I've concentrated on other bits and pieces for a while. I am intending to hit the freesite circuit hard though soon, just need to get myself organised.
Anybody remember the "Webmaster Friendly" movement a few years ago, that seems to have gone out the window.
The biggest hoop a lot fail on is learning about who buys pornography, learning their target audience and learning how to sell to their target audience. :twocents:
A number of LL's will have a hissy fit about no mention of 2257 too.
Not ones worth subbing to.
Thanks. Would be good if you could have a nosey around when you have some time - no point in me trying to build any more or start submitting this one till I get the first one right or as close as I can.
Changed to two galleries - still 16 pics in each but Im assuming thats not a problem.
Yeah will do mate, but 16 pics is still too much. Mininum is 12, so give them 12.
Which is a very funny reminder of how some people in the industry don't have even a basic understanding of the industry they work in.
No, it's a funny reminder how some newbies (that open a LL) don't have a basic understanding. Show me an established LL that has this inane rule...
No, it's a funny reminder how some newbies (that open a LL) don't have a basic understanding. Show me an established LL that has this inane rule...
Are newbies who open Link Lists not a part of the industry then?
The biggest hoop a lot fail on is learning about who buys pornography, learning their target audience and learning how to sell to their target audience. :twocents:
You run a successful paysite, know your target members, and obviously do very well as a PSO. You've also given me invaluable advice, in regards to paysite ownership (for which I'm extremely grateful.
What I do see though is in many an affiliate-based thread, is cryptic post after crypt