View Full Version : Verotel vs. CCBill
if you had to make a decision between Verotel and CCBill, which one would you prefer, and why?
I dont think there is much competition. CCBill pretty much hands down if you only offering one biller and not cascading. Especially if you want an affiliate program.
Plus veretols ticket system pretty much sucks in my opinion
I had to decide this over a year ago, i was already with verotel when they frist introduced tickets club what a fucking mess that was. There payment window is scary, surfers weren't used to it and just closed the window. Things might of changed now and they have got used to it, but i wouldn't take that gamble.
You can do so much more in the ccbill admin area, then what you can in verotels
I won't even promoted a verotel site now, its just another cheque/fee.
Cardinal_Sin
08-01-05, 06:47 PM
if you had to make a decision between Verotel and CCBill, which one would you prefer, and why?
A webmaster wouldn't ever have to ask this question -
A webmaster wouldn't ever have to ask this question -
please stay on topic. :takethat:
I dont think there is much competition. CCBill pretty much hands down if you only offering one biller and not cascading. Especially if you want an affiliate program.
Plus veretols ticket system pretty much sucks in my opinion
it won't necessarily end up being an affiliate system at all. it's a try to make some extra money out of stuff that's not being used at the moment.
i just find it curious that CCBill seems to be cheaper to set up than Verotel, unless i miss something on their site.
A webmaster wouldn't ever have to ask this question -
So if a webmaster has been an affiliate for a few years but decides to start their own site, they should know what is best even if they have never used a processor before.
Oh I see it's a bit like all these webmasters who must have been born with the knowledge they have of the internet. Because they know all there is to know without having to learn.
You obviously gave verotel a go, so wouldn't it be an idea to asnwer someone with who has questions regarding them.
CCBill are sooooooooooooooooooooooo good they give me a stiffy :)
CCBill are sooooooooooooooooooooooo good they give me a stiffy :)
Me too, so thats bacon and ccbill so far we have learnt gets me hard :drink:
Me too, so thats bacon and ccbill so far we have learnt gets me hard :drink:
when you get to balloons and needles through the stiffy parts, switch to PM. pretty please? :takethat:
RicardoB
08-02-05, 04:32 PM
Ask me about it next weekas I shall hook up both this week on my first paysite :D
Funny that all shout CC Bill while I have a feeling Verotel will do much better for me.
Aw we'll know for sure soon ;)
Ricardo I've been with CCBill for over 6 years and they rock.. How you can even think of Verotel surprises me. If you're a newbie you have an excuse but if you've been in the biz more than a year then you should know there's no choice :) Contact Jeff Neis here jeffn@ccbill.com Just tell him that the pain in the butt Joe A told you to contact him..
I'm currently a beta tester for Paycom EU and I'd look at them as a secondary processor to CCBill. If you need a contact at Paycom, let me know and I'll give you an ICQ number for the person looking after the EU webmasters.
Just sticking my oar in as usual :)
advantages are that Verotel offers SMS billing and processing local asian cards as well as direct debit. the latter and SMS are still popular payment options in german speaking countries, which is a market with some 100 million citizens afterall.
using both services, Verotel in the Light Version, seems to cover most bases.
Ricardo I've been with CCBill for over 6 years and they rock.. How you can even think of Verotel surprises me. If you're a newbie you have an excuse but if you've been in the biz more than a year then you should know there's no choice :) Contact Jeff Neis here jeffn@ccbill.com Just tell him that the pain in the butt Joe A told you to contact him..
I'm currently a beta tester for Paycom EU and I'd look at them as a secondary processor to CCBill. If you need a contact at Paycom, let me know and I'll give you an ICQ number for the person looking after the EU webmasters.
Just sticking my oar in as usual :)
CCBill ask for stuff that is'n relevent to us. When I phoned them the rep said to go to the CCBill EU sign up page, but it was the same :takethat:
NumptyNuts
08-02-05, 05:24 PM
Depends on your traffic and business model -
Verotel are slightly more geared up to handle payments from the UK & EU then CCBill.
If you want affiliates then CCBill do clearly win that battle.
Want to bill in something other then USD's and want to be settled in GBP / Euros then Verotel.
I know people don't like the ticket club which is understandable, another hoop for the surfer to go through, its an objection that was comman with Nochex before they updated their systems.
Thing is you have to also look at the surfer and some users feel safer buying things via a 'stored value account' - 'token system' nearly all the casinos have this type of billing model in place and it don't stop people gambling.
Saying all this I would still choose CCBill over Verotel thoughif traffic was mainly EU then would certainly consider adding Verotel.
One to aviod right now is Paycom, its not much use unless you have your own affiliate system in place and the stats are shite for WM's. Thats a real shame as they too do multi currency and also Switch Cards which is a reall y bonus.
One to aviod right now is Paycom, its not much use unless you have your own affiliate system in place and the stats are shite for WM's. Thats a real shame as they too do multi currency and also Switch Cards which is a reall y bonus.
Plus they dont bother getting back to you when you try and set up an account :mad:
On the plus side for Verotel, I discovered today that you don't actually have to provide ID when opening an account.
I concur with Johny Traffic on Paycom. They didn't get back to me either.
NumptyNuts
08-02-05, 05:54 PM
Plus they dont bother getting back to you when you try and set up an account :mad:
Ive called them about this as I ref you JT though still nothing has come back to me - :-(
it appears that most seem to think of the Ticket Club only, why is that?
i just started the CCBill sign up process, to see what info they want. i'm not sure why in the name of god's arse i would provide anything like my social security number or driving licence to them, as i'm opening as a company. surely the company papers are enough. not impressed.
Johny
Paycom EU is still in beta and not all of the current testers have set them up yet. I've had a few sales from them and payments were made right on time.
Hit me up on ICQ after 10pm and I'll give you my contact there. Isabel Robels was really great in getting me set up and...
I also have a Paycom affiliate programme for SGD with it's own tour :) And... Their wm stats do suck compared to CCBill's but they're being updated asap..
mellenig
08-02-05, 06:39 PM
On paycom I was more or less set up a week after faxing back the docs, going through compliance with the wording for the join pages takes a little while but no complaints here as yet. Agree with JoeA, Isobell seems to be the one to contact over there isabel@paycom.net
NumptyNuts
08-02-05, 07:17 PM
it appears that most seem to think of the Ticket Club only, why is that?
i just started the CCBill sign up process, to see what info they want. i'm not sure why in the name of god's arse i would provide anything like my social security number or driving licence to them, as i'm opening as a company. surely the company papers are enough. not impressed.
All this is to do with Money Laudering, KYC - if you have nothing to hide then its no problem.
Verotel also have a pro account though you need top pay set up fee BUT the rates drop right down.
NumptyNuts
08-02-05, 07:21 PM
On paycom I was more or less set up a week after faxing back the docs, going through compliance with the wording for the join pages takes a little while but no complaints here as yet. Agree with JoeA, Isobell seems to be the one to contact over there isabel@paycom.net
Thats who the leads of three accounts I ref were passed to via her direct boss, one has being signed up and is processing the others never heard anything.
I called them and asked for an update was promised an email / call though nothing happened.
What Joe has some truth though I have been advised its now fully live, of the leads I sent them they seem to have only been interested in the guy with Nats.
mellenig
08-02-05, 07:34 PM
Thats who the leads of three accounts I ref were passed to via her direct boss, one has being signed up and is processing the others never heard anything.
I called them and asked for an update was promised an email / call though nothing happened.
What Joe has some truth though I have been advised its now fully live, of the leads I sent them they seem to have only been interested in the guy with Nats.
Seems strange as I can't see mine being a high volume account just going to split it with ccbill. Maybe they have a lot of interest with them just going live :confused:
All this is to do with Money Laudering, KYC - if you have nothing to hide then its no problem.
this fucking bullshit argument makes me puke, i am THIS close to tell you where to stick it. if everything is so shiny happy with having your personal details registered left right and centre, what's the deal with ID's in the UK then, eh?
i wish people would start thinking rather than repeating this 'if you have nothing to hide' crap over and over.
not I am signing up with them but my company.
not MY bank accounts are in question, but my comapny's.
name just ONE company that has to give their employees personal details out to get a merchant account? i've been juggling millions in the construction biz, and no one knew my personal details, as i signed in the name of the company.
to put it simple, a legal entity has no social security number or driving licence. this is why we have stuff like company registers.
fuck me sideways.
this fucking bullshit argument makes me puke, i am THIS close to tell you where to stick it. if everything is so shiny happy with having your personal details registered left right and centre, what's the deal with ID's in the UK then, eh?
i wish people would start thinking rather than repeating this 'if you have nothing to hide' crap over and over.
not I am signing up with them but my company.
not MY bank accounts are in question, but my comapny's.
name just ONE company that has to give their employees personal details out to get a merchant account? i've been juggling millions in the construction biz, and no one knew my personal details, as i signed in the name of the company.
to put it simple, a legal entity has no social security number or driving licence. this is why we have stuff like company registers.
fuck me sideways.
I guess if you are a limited company then thats right. But if you are trading as or a partnership. Then just like the banks etc you need to give personal details.
If you are limited then there shouldnt be any reason they want your personal details, unless like banks do sometimes with limited companies they want the directors personal details. But they shouldnt unless you want credit of some sort
of course, if you sign up as a person, there'd be different rules. no doubt about that.
RicardoB
08-02-05, 08:16 PM
Ricardo I've been with CCBill for over 6 years and they rock.. How you can even think of Verotel surprises me. If you're a newbie you have an excuse but if you've been in the biz more than a year then you should know there's no choice :) Contact Jeff Neis here jeffn@ccbill.com Just tell him that the pain in the butt Joe A told you to contact him..
I'm currently a beta tester for Paycom EU and I'd look at them as a secondary processor to CCBill. If you need a contact at Paycom, let me know and I'll give you an ICQ number for the person looking after the EU webmasters.
Just sticking my oar in as usual :)
Well with 10 years in adult under my belt I don't consider myself a newbie :D
CCBill IMO is an ok biller no more no less, and as for paycom I will not touch them as I dealt with them in other avenues and to say the least was/am not impressed.
As for who has the best software for affiliate programs I'm simply not interested all they need to do is process CC's I handle the rest(Well my staff does lol )
Cardinal_Sin
08-02-05, 08:29 PM
On the plus side for Verotel, I discovered today that you don't actually have to provide ID when opening an account.
I concur with Johny Traffic on Paycom. They didn't get back to me either.
With Verotel you DO have to give an ID - You will have to fax them a photo copy of you passport and drivers licence - They may, as they did with me, come back and ask for your credit card number.
I know of many webmasters who were with Verotel. - Some experienced a huge amount of chargebacks at once - (EG 25 or more the same day when they were only getting 5-6 all year with the previous billers.)
I know of others who were kicked out without explanaition and all payments were withheld.
My own experience: I used them for a short time as back up to ccbill - During a computer move I lost the pass to the webmaster stats - Their tos says when this happens, simply write an email using the same email address you used when originally signing with ccbill.
So I did this -
The email came back asking for more info - I wrote saying I was following their tos and if they needed more info, for thewm to contact the phone number I gave when I filled out the original Verotel application form.
Then an email came back saying I could easily be hacking the email address and maybe I was someone who could have ended up with the same number!!!
I telephoned and got the same response!
So I called the guy an idiot and told him that having a tos was fucking stupid if you don't follow it -
I then had an email from the boss explaining that the service guy hadn't been fully trained - But that my account was being closed and all funds would be withheld because I had called a member of his staff an idiot -
My email back told him he was an idiot too for not training his staff properly.
With Verotel you DO have to give an ID - You will have to fax them a photo copy of you passport and drivers licence
Well, Tom @ Verotel said in a reply to my enquiry:
"It is no longer necessary to submit your passport or driver's license."
NumptyNuts
08-02-05, 08:45 PM
Seems strange as I can't see mine being a high volume account just going to split it with ccbill. Maybe they have a lot of interest with them just going live :confused:
Nah - they are geatred up for people with affiliate systems like Nats - thats their core market - they dont have the backend systems so one would guess that customers without their own affiliate tracking results in more support issues from webmasters and end users.
Ricardo
The way I read your first post, you looked like a newbie webmaster. There are plenty of people in the adult industry who aren't on this side of the biz. One of my closest friends, Terry (One Eyed Jack) Stephens is a great producer but knows zero about this side of the biz... It's usually newbie webmasters who ask about CCBill V Verotel which is why I made my comments...
Two of us here are part of the Paycom beta and are very happy and as they only started with about 12 in total in the EU, that's not bad. I do know of one other UK wm who's in the test but he hasn't started with them yet as he's integrating MPA3 cascading first ,but he was very happy with the speed of being set up.
As for all the processors asking so many questions... do you remember 9/11 ? The whole financial biz has totally changed in the States since then. I used to arrange personal bank accounts for UK wm's in the States before then. My bank now won't accept non res bank accounts :( They all need as much detail as possible for security reasons and nothing else. We have to accept this as a fact.
RicardoB
08-02-05, 10:48 PM
Joe I think the issue is not my posting but your reading skills really :D
Ricardo
The way I read your first post, you looked like a newbie webmaster. There are plenty of people in the adult industry who aren't on this side of the biz. One of my closest friends, Terry (One Eyed Jack) Stephens is a great producer but knows zero about this side of the biz... It's usually newbie webmasters who ask about CCBill V Verotel which is why I made my comments...
And I did ask where?
I commented that I have set them up both and will be implemented this week and then I will know for a fact which does better for me.
So where you get the idea I asked for optinions on both is beyond me. Very newbylike to not read what's posted in a thread.
Two of us here are part of the Paycom beta and are very happy and as they only started with about 12 in total in the EU, that's not bad. I do know of one other UK wm who's in the test but he hasn't started with them yet as he's integrating MPA3 cascading first ,but he was very happy with the speed of being set up.
As stated I won't toucg Paycam wether it's paycom US or Paycom EU or Paycom Tokio central for all I care. As far as I'm concerned they are arrogant fuckers not worthy of my business.
As for all the processors asking so many questions... do you remember 9/11 ? The whole financial biz has totally changed in the States since then. I used to arrange personal bank accounts for UK wm's in the States before then. My bank now won't accept non res bank accounts :( They all need as much detail as possible for security reasons and nothing else. We have to accept this as a fact.
And you address this to me why? I don't recall making a comment on that at all.
Bottom line you come with arguments to questions not raised by me and find me newby cause I have a different opinion then yours, which at best is very unprofessional.
Ricardo...
Apologies for thinking you started the thread... I just looked again... DUH. I am a himbo now and again I admit it but this time I have a reason... 4 hrs sleep since I got up last Sat.Sahara's site was hacked and taken down.. Re-uploading the vids took 36 hrs on their own and as I had to get the site back up asap on a new server... Lack of sleep and a few mistakes..
By the way I have to recommend the new host to everyone: http://www.powerstorm.net/ UKGuru got us together.. I signed up and while on the phone to Kevin the boss... I was ftp'ing within 5 mins and they work with wm's to give us what we need, so we don't have to go with just their plans.. That's my spam for today....
RicardoB
08-02-05, 11:25 PM
Ya forgiven LOL
Dunke veld :) That's all the Dutch I know and I can now see why you're pro Verotel ... heh heh
Sahara is actually over there working from 9th -19th Aug... http://www.dutchmodelsite.nl/Modelpages/vrouwelijk/Sahara%20engeland/sahara-engels.htm
Shandy McAndy
08-03-05, 05:35 PM
CCBill all the way for sure
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