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dvtimes
07-25-05, 01:23 PM
News: the police had a reason to shoot the Brazilian man
It looks like the police were correct to shoot him as he had an out-of-date visa.
Well that looks like the latest reason by the police anyway.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4713753.stm
Nickali
07-25-05, 01:40 PM
the reason police had to shoot him was because we are in high alert for terrorism and this bloke ran ONTO a train wearing a bulky jacket in hot weather after leaving an address that was under surveilence and also after being told to stop by armed police.i think they had every reason to shoot him, no more reasons required.
the reason police had to shoot him was because we are in high alert for terrorism and this bloke ran ONTO a train wearing a bulky jacket in hot weather after leaving an address that was under surveilence and also after being told to stop by armed police.i think they had every reason to shoot him, no more reasons required.
I hope your'e never late for a train and wearing a jacket that is not quite right for the weather. Have you never put on a coat/jacket thinking it would'nt be as warm as it is once you get up the road a bit?
Shandy McAndy
07-25-05, 01:51 PM
I hope your'e never late for a train and wearing a jacket that is not quite right for the weather. Have you never put on a coat/jacket thinking it would'nt be as warm as it is once you get up the road a bit?
Me to. But I guess when told to stop or be shot by 7 officers with guns, in a climate of terrorist attacks in a place of being a known terrorist target (the tube) I will choose to stop.
Alf Garnet
07-25-05, 02:00 PM
Still, if he would have stayed in Brazil instead of illegally living over here he wouldnt be dead right now.
Actually he probably would have been. "Despite these decreases, unofficial estimates have placed the total number of police killings in Brazil at around 3,000 annually. Indeed, the death toll may be even higher as many states do not record such figures correctly and some do not record them at all."
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2005/01/13/brazil9845.htm
Me to. But I guess when told to stop or be shot by 7 officers with guns, in a climate of terrorist attacks in a place of being a known terrorist target (the tube) I will choose to stop.
No one knows what was going through this guys head. The police made a judgement call and considering the circumstances i think it was a right one.
The guy should have stopped, if he had been a bomber and they didn't shoot him he could have killed everyone on that train.. as for me i'd stop and do whatever i was told if there's armed police pointing guns at me...
by 7 officers with guns
men in plain clothes, nothing was suggesting they were police members. why is it no one takes that into account? they might as well have been terrorists in a known terrorist target (the tube).
which i seem to recall is illegal, they have to make it obvious when they start any action.
Blair (the police guy, but prolly the big head one too) is reaching for every straw now to find an excuse for a massive fuck up.
Alf Garnet
07-25-05, 02:24 PM
men in plain clothes, nothing was suggesting they were police members. why is it no one takes that into account? they might as well have been terrorists in a known terrorist target (the tube).
which i seem to recall is illegal, they have to make it obvious when they start any action.
Blair (the police guy, but prolly the big head one too) is reaching for every straw now to find an excuse for a massive fuck up.
If your brain matter was axle grease, there wouldn't be enough in your head to grease the dynamo on a lightening bug's ass. You wouldn't know a clue if it walked up to you, bit you on the ass, and announced 'I AM A CLUE'.
If your brain matter was axle grease, there wouldn't be enough in your head to grease the dynamo on a lightening bug's ass. You wouldn't know a clue if it walked up to you, bit you on the ass, and announced 'I AM A CLUE'.
cheers Alfie, we take notice you have not a single argument at hand, as usually . :D
Alf Garnet
07-25-05, 02:28 PM
cheers Alfie, we take notice you have not a single argument at hand, as usually . :D
I notice that you never let an idea interrupt the flow of your posts. You could type every thing you know on this subject on back of a microscopic postage stamp and still have room leftover for a shopping list.
No one knows what was going through this guys head. The police made a judgement call and considering the circumstances i think it was a right one.
The guy should have stopped, if he had been a bomber and they didn't shoot him he could have killed everyone on that train.. as for me i'd stop and do whatever i was told if there's armed police pointing guns at me...
Oh yeah of course it was right to shoot an innocent man.
If the police were so supicious of him why let even get near the tube station they could have jumped him well before, thus putting less people in danger had he actually been a suicide bomber and also take away the need to shoot him.
Alf Garnet
07-25-05, 02:30 PM
Oh yeah of course it was right to shoot an innocent man.
If the police were so supicious of him why let even get near the tube station they could have jumped him well before, thus putting less people in danger had he actually been a suicide bomber and also take away the need to shoot him.
I'd get more pleasure from running my nostrils down a cactus, than reading another contribution from you.
I'd get more pleasure from running my nostrils down a cactus, than reading another contribution from you.
See ya then
Nickali
07-25-05, 02:38 PM
I hope your'e never late for a train and wearing a jacket that is not quite right for the weather. Have you never put on a coat/jacket thinking it would'nt be as warm as it is once you get up the road a bit?
yep, and ear muffs to prevent me hearing the shouting of bout 7 armed police
I notice that you never let an idea interrupt the flow of your posts. You could type every thing you know on this subject on back of a microscopic postage stamp and still have room leftover for a shopping list.
you have enough own experience on that, so i trust your judgement. :D
yep, and ear muffs to prevent me hearing the shouting of bout 7 armed police
Do you speak fluent Brazilian/portugese?
yep, and ear muffs to prevent me hearing the shouting of bout 7 armed police
7 armed men in plain clothes which does not translate to police men by default. not outside any old police state anyway.
Nickali
07-25-05, 02:49 PM
Do you speak fluent Brazilian/portugese?
if i'd lived in that country for 3 years or however long it is i think i'd know 'stop' and 'police' or try and learn something at least
if i'd lived in that country for 3 years or however long it is i think i'd know 'stop' and 'police' or try and learn something at least
Maybe in a crowded area the words would be so clear.
Anyway I am geting dizzy going round and round this, so I'll leave you all to chat amongst yourselves about how it is acceptable to shoot an inoocent unarmed man.
Maybe in a crowded area the words would be so clear.
Anyway I am geting dizzy going round and round this, so I'll leave you all to chat amongst yourselves about how it is acceptable to shoot an inoocent unarmed man.
he wasn't a man but a foreigner, with dark skin nand hair. keep up, will you?
dvtimes
07-25-05, 04:00 PM
he wasn't a man but a foreigner, with dark skin nand hair. keep up, will you?http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41336000/jpg/_41336581_victim203.jpg
The chap has lighter skin than me.
Oh yeah of course it was right to shoot an innocent man.
If the police were so supicious of him why let even get near the tube station they could have jumped him well before, thus putting less people in danger had he actually been a suicide bomber and also take away the need to shoot him.
...As far as i knew, they had simply asked him to stop and he tried to run away and board a train, had they been following him before this?, if they had then yes, they should have stopped him earlier and i'm sure questions will be asked as to why they didn't nip this in the bud.....i'm not saying it's right for the police to kill an innocent person, it's really sad that this man had to become another casualty of the bombers campaign.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41336000/jpg/_41336581_victim203.jpg
The chap has lighter skin than me.
never trust photos you didn't fuck up yourself, colour correction can easily be off - and seeing not even the red eyes (which usually happen with cheap cams) were touched, it's not unlikely teh colours are wrong.
anyway, i should have added a smilie to express the sarcasm there, sorry.
Reminds me of Christmas's of old.
Used to go round the Grannys on boxing day and she always had one of those tubs of multi nuts.
We weren't posh enough to have worthers orginals.
I remember Grandad used to fling his crackers on the table for us all to have a go with.
For years I found the Brazillian the hardest nut to crack and keep in one piece.
Starting to look very ugly now.
Elisha Jade
08-16-05, 07:12 PM
Seen the pictures they released on the news of the guy led in the tube dead?
Horrific :(
Looks like an almighty fuckup and this is going to gain momentum I am sure.
cannot be, there were witnesses who saw him doing all the bad stuff. that's just some liberal twist on things.
Elisha Jade
08-16-05, 07:37 PM
http://www.channel4.com/news/content/news-storypage.jsp?id=1677571
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/focus/story/0,6903,1548808,00.html
daveydude
08-16-05, 08:15 PM
He wasn't wearing a bulky coat. The original witness later changed his story - seems like he saw one of the cops jumping the barrier in pursuit of the victim.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,1537457,00.html
Silly bastard for doing a runner on that day in that place, but he didn't deserve to be shot in the head 7 times. The cops fucked up - shoulda collared him way earlier.
By 10am that morning, elite firearms officers were provided with what they describe as "positive identification" and shot De Menezes eight times in the head and upper body.
which not only backs up my statement on it not being that easy to hit a head, people saying so are mostly action movie watchers who never have fired a gun themselves but also kills off the wonderful argument the head shots were necessary as to not make the bomb he might be carrying go off.
had he carried a bomb, it would have gone off nicely in there.
so another point where civilians were put in danger, after letting a suspected bomber into the station in first place. unless those shooting were aware of the missing bomb by then.
no matter what angle you look at it, somehow there's always a piece that doesn't quite fit.
Cardinal_Sin
08-16-05, 08:35 PM
which not only backs up my statement on it not being that easy to hit a head, people saying so are mostly action movie watchers who never have fired a gun themselves but also kills off the wonderful argument the head shots were necessary as to not make the bomb he might be carrying go off.
had he carried a bomb, it would have gone off nicely in there.
so another point where civilians were put in danger, after letting a suspected bomber into the station in first place. unless those shooting were aware of the missing bomb by then.
no matter what angle you look at it, somehow there's always a piece that doesn't quite fit.
Loads don't fit in this story - But, you look at pictures of the guy and he looks like your average Westoner, not South American even. Every person who witnessed this described him as being Asian.
As for the police guy (s)? shooting him eight times - Trigger happy or simply scared shitless he was carrying a bomb? Was the gun he used semi auto and a long hold on the trigger released a shitload? (Ignorance here in any case as I know nothing about weapons)
as for the looks, i'd like some better pics, doubt we'll see them, maybe on rotten.com sooner or later.
as for the gun, seeing the storyline was they needed to shoot in his head to avoid hitting the bomb (which does make sense, no argument there), a special unit member sure had enough training to know that automatic fire is next to impossible to keep into a small area like the head, especially in a stress situation, so i would think that was disabled.
personally i shoot since 18 years now, but have a hard time to get all 17 shots of my 9mm in the head on the mark on the shooting range, when i go for speed fire (no auto, trigger pulled 17 times) - i do on the other hand not stand just above my target.
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