Best premiership player ever ?? [Archive] - Beer and Bollocks

xcite-tv

10-06-06, 02:59 PM

As there hasnt been a football thread in a while this topic came up the other day in a bar....

So who is the best premiership player ever???

and I only mean Premiership years......

it hurts to do this but here is my top three.....

1, Peter Schmeichel
2 Ryan Giggs
3 Alan Shearer

if i had to pick one it would be Peter Schmeichel. He was an inspiration for that young Man U team. Always on the defenders backs to improve and was quite often the reason Man U won 1-0 . yes Cantona was good but without Schmeichel they would not have had the success they did

Fuck that was hard to type as a Liverpool fan

NumptyNuts

10-06-06, 03:23 PM

Denis Berkamp - the best play to date ever to play football in the premiership.

end of debate :)

xcite-tv

10-06-06, 03:25 PM

Denis Berkamp - the best play to date ever to play football in the premiership.

end of debate :)

Nah.....diving cheat IMO

S.D.

10-06-06, 03:30 PM

I'd say Ryan Giggs.

An awesome player.

Consistantcy, kept mainly out of trouble, hard working, model pro player.

Hmm, could be wrong here but perhaps he's the most successfull Prem player ??? Has any player won more medals / cups than him since the begining of the Prem ?

Lol, my second choice ? Thomas Brolin :lmao2:

xcite-tv

10-06-06, 03:38 PM

Denis Berkamp - the best play to date ever to play football in the premiership.

end of debate :)

seriously though....occasion flashes of brilliance (which he did achieve) are not good enough in my view to be named best player ever.. if your going to be pig headed and only choose Arsenal players then i would have thought Viera or Adams were more consistant players

gav

10-06-06, 03:48 PM

I'd have to go for Henry. Inspirational and exciting player, played and drove one of the most entertaining sides I have seen which was the Arsenal team of 4-5 years ago. Class act and still years left in the tank.

Another player who was also brilliant was Zola. The guy possessed every skill and trick in the book, appeared very down to earth and was a winner.

gav

10-06-06, 03:49 PM

Lol, my second choice ? Thomas Brolin :lmao2:

That would be quite a good joke if we hadn't have paid 4.5 million for the fat useless cunt! :banghead:

S.D.

10-06-06, 03:55 PM

Yeah Gav, I seem to remember the Leeds fans wern't too impressed with him :(

xcite-tv

10-06-06, 04:03 PM

Yeah Gav, I seem to remember the Leeds fans wern't too impressed with him :(

I dont think even his mum would have been impressed

gawdi

10-06-06, 04:08 PM

if i had to pick one it would be Peter Schmeichel. He was an inspiration for that young Man U team. Always on the defenders backs to improve and was quite often the reason Man U won 1-0 . yes Cantona was good but without Schmeichel they would not have had the success they did

Fuck that was hard to type as a Liverpool fan

You'll be cheering schmeichel on in Strictly Come Dancing which starts tomorrow then...

gav

10-06-06, 04:18 PM

Yeah Gav, I seem to remember the Leeds fans wern't too impressed with him :(

He was shite but we actually bought him after he sustained an ankle injury which eventually caused him to retire.

Best thing he ever did in the premiership was acually against us at Palace, when he had a brief stint there. He'd got a massive bandage on his head, from an earlier challenge in the game. He went to close down Kelly, and Kelly blasted the ball at him which struck him smack in the face. Brolin went on his arse and the bandage went flying in the air much to our amusement. Apart from that cant really think of anything else to remember him by to be honest.

NumptyNuts

10-06-06, 04:21 PM

seriously though....occasion flashes of brilliance (which he did achieve) are not good enough in my view to be named best player ever.. if your going to be pig headed and only choose Arsenal players then i would have thought Viera or Adams were more consistant players

No Denis Berkamp - how you can even put Shearer there baffles me, yes he scores goals but thats about it. Denis Berkamp, he played the best part of 10 years in the PL. He has craft vision and the ability to finish.

By far the best player to play in the premership to date, Herny needs another 5 good years to come close.

S.D.

10-06-06, 04:22 PM

Was it the Leeds fans that used to sing " Bye,Bye, Fatty, Bye Bye Fatty..." ? (Might have been when they knew he was on his way)

NumptyNuts

10-06-06, 04:24 PM

A Priest

10-06-06, 04:32 PM

I would definately say Alan Shearer, but im no expert ;)

S.D.

10-06-06, 04:35 PM

NumptyNuts

10-06-06, 04:41 PM

The thing is Smithsmedia, I can't actually remember Berkamp ever running with the ball, you know, taking players on.

On the other hand I remember this one time with Giggs, round about 1999, he picked up the ball on about the half way line ............... ;)

Thats because Denis is a playmaker, Ryan is supposed to run with the ball he is a winger. Just had a quick look from 1995 - 2005 Denis played 296 times scoring 84 times and making a further 91 goals.

How anyone can think a English man who plays and captains wales is the best baffles me :)

TheShiftyEyedBastard

10-06-06, 04:43 PM

Denis Berkamp - the best play to date ever to play football in the premiership.

end of debate :)

I have to agree, though if someone starts this thread again in 5-7 years, I have a feeling I'll replace my answer with Henry.

S.D.

10-06-06, 04:43 PM

xcite-tv

10-06-06, 04:44 PM

You'll be cheering schmeichel on in Strictly Come Dancing which starts tomorrow then...

I never watched it and didnt know he was coming on...maybe he should stick to the day job....if he has one

xcite-tv

10-06-06, 04:45 PM

He has craft vision and the ability to finish.

but not as many times as Shearer....:)

xcite-tv

10-06-06, 04:46 PM

Denis played 296 times scoring 84 times and making a further 91 goals.

Even Fowlers record is better than that...and he wouldn't be in my top five

xcite-tv

10-06-06, 04:48 PM

http://www.thefa.com/TheFACup/TheFACup/NewsAndFeatures/Postings/2005/04/FACup_SF_1999.htm

I just watched a few mins of highlights, lol, I think Berkamps took a deflection ? It was one a piece then Giggs picks up the ball DEEP in his own half, the rest is sporting history :cheers2:

One of the best goals i have ever seen.....

however he wasted a lot of time and energy compared with Alonso's goal the other week why bother running with it ??

NumptyNuts

10-06-06, 04:48 PM

but not as many times as Shearer....:)

Shearer - it was fitting he should end his carear the way he did, he made a bad mistake going to Newcastle, emotions came before business. He has never been tested at the highest level and passed.

His greatest hour came in Euro 96 but that was soon forgotton when we lost to the germans. How he can be so great baffles me, he has got ONE professional medal. Hes a looser, prob why the English love him :)

NumptyNuts

10-06-06, 04:50 PM

One of the best goals i have ever seen.....

however he wasted a lot of time and energy compared with Alonso's goal the other week why bother running with it ??

the keeper slipped it was a freak goal,

BTW you still offering a £ a point for every point Liverpool if so I would think about getting your house on the market so the sale can get through by summer, you are gonna need it ;-)

NumptyNuts

10-06-06, 04:52 PM

Even Fowlers record is better than that...and he wouldn't be in my top five

His record in not, go check it out and show me his goals / ass / games ratio

You are talknig about a coked up fuck wit who should not be allowed to walk on pitch giving the example he sets to small kids, Fowler does class A mate......hes a junkie.

S.D.

10-06-06, 04:52 PM

however he wasted a lot of time and energy compared with Alonso's goal the other week why bother running with it ??

:lmao2:

NumptyNuts

10-06-06, 04:56 PM

One of the best goals i have ever seen.....

however he wasted a lot of time and energy compared with Alonso's goal the other week why bother running with it ??

I wanted to add something before I call it day -

The best goal I have ever seen was scored by a guy called Micheal Thomas, the ground was full of scousers claiming they had done the double double, being the team to do it when a black kid from London pops up and shuts every single one up!

The greatest goal of all time

http://www.freepalmporn.co.uk/123.jpg

If Arsenal never win again I will never forget that night at Anfield

xcite-tv

10-06-06, 04:58 PM

His greatest hour came in Euro 96 but that was soon forgotton when we lost to the germans. How he can be so great baffles me, he has got ONE professional medal. Hes a looser, prob why the English love him :)

What is also forgotten is that he scored two in the 4-1 defeat of Holland when a certain Denis Bergkamp was playing :gold:

xcite-tv

10-06-06, 05:02 PM

I wanted to add something before I call it day -

The best goal I have ever seen was scored by a guy called Micheal Thomas, the ground was full of scousers claiming they had done the double double, being the team to do it when a black kid from London pops up and shuts every single one up!

The greatest goal of all time

http://www.freepalmporn.co.uk/123.jpg

If Arsenal never win again I will never forget that night at Anfield

you just cant resist it.....

when i started this thread i KNEW it would end like this you just cant stop yourself

It wasnt a great goal...it was a great time to score to get the great result

xcite-tv

10-06-06, 05:04 PM

BTW you still offering a £ a point for every point Liverpool if so I would think about getting your house on the market so the sale can get through by summer, you are gonna need it ;-)

houses might be £50 - £90 where you live, but not down here

NumptyNuts

10-06-06, 05:07 PM

It was a great goal, how was it not a great goal, it was passed through the so called 'Great Liverpool team' under amazing levels of pressure the guy chips the goalie......

As I said before - compare shearers medals to other pros and he is a total looser - One title with 'Bought team' pretty sad eh? No good him scoring tons of goals if the team win nothing, footbal is about the team him winning a golden boat equates to nothing for Newcastle ;-)

NumptyNuts

10-06-06, 05:08 PM

houses might be £50 - £90 where you live, but not down here

I know thats why you live in a car board box :D

xcite-tv

10-06-06, 05:09 PM

His record in not, go check it out and show me his goals / ass / games ratio

You are talknig about a coked up fuck wit who should not be allowed to walk on pitch giving the example he sets to small kids, Fowler does class A mate......hes a junkie.

I think you will find Fowler is the third top scorer ever in the premiership....

behind Shearer and Andy Cole.... assists dont win games

I suppose Arsenal players never drank or took drugs ?????

NumptyNuts

10-06-06, 05:14 PM

I think you will find Fowler is the third top scorer ever in the premiership....

behind Shearer and Andy Cole.... assists dont win games

I suppose Arsenal players never drank or took drugs ?????

No oe done drugs like fowler ask the leeds fans he was a fat drugged up drunk around Leeds city centre the entire time he was there.

Assists dont win games, you need to get out more and try playing, what did fowler shearer and cole all play by them selves on the pitch against 11 others......

How many goals has fowler got you got the stats yet?

BTW how many medals Fowler got or did he pawn them all for more gear ;-)

xcite-tv

10-06-06, 05:24 PM

It was a great goal, how was it not a great goal, it was passed through the so called 'Great Liverpool team' under amazing levels of pressure the guy chips the goalie......

it was a good goal.....not a great goal ...it was what it did made it memorable. he scored a better one for Liverpool in a cup final if i remember

As I said before - compare shearers medals to other pros and he is a total looser - One title with 'Bought team' pretty sad eh? No good him scoring tons of goals if the team win nothing, footbal is about the team him winning a golden boat equates to nothing for Newcastle ;-)

we were arguing about Shearer V Bergkamp as goalscorer, there is no comparison...

and thats what they are after all

If you are talking about major trophy winners then not many can match Alan Hansen (admittedly before the premiership years) with 17 major trophys including 8 league titles and three European cups and two FA cups

xcite-tv

10-06-06, 05:25 PM

No oe done drugs like fowler ;-)

one word........MERSON

NumptyNuts

10-06-06, 05:27 PM

one word........MERSON

Yeah but merson faced it - and won, Fowler is Junkie thats why Liverpool sold himi and they only had a him back cos no one else wants him and the fans think he is god.

xcite-tv

10-06-06, 05:30 PM

Yeah but merson faced it - and won, Fowler is Junkie thats why Liverpool sold himi and they only had a him back cos no one else wants him and the fans think he is god.

OK bored with your anti Liverpool shite..

this thread was about the Premierships greatest...you have had your say....

NumptyNuts

10-06-06, 05:33 PM

it was a good goal.....not a great goal ...it was what it did made it memorable. he scored a better one for Liverpool in a cup final if i remember

we were arguing about Shearer V Bergkamp as goalscorer, there is no comparison...

and thats what they are after all

If you are talking about major trophy winners then not many can match Alan Hansen (admittedly before the premiership years) with 17 major trophys including 8 league titles and three European cups and two FA cups

No we are not talking about goals scored we are talking about the best player in the Premiership - so take you old school liverpool team who scored then spent 89 mins passing back to the keeper and put them in the archive.

You think Shearer is a better player then Denis thing is he is not, remeber clive allen - holds the most goals scored in a season record I think, Shearer never broke that, and as I keep saying he has one medal - that says it all.

NumptyNuts

10-06-06, 05:40 PM

OK bored with your anti Liverpool shite..

this thread was about the Premierships greatest...you have had your say....

then stop trying to make out Liverpool are so great, they had their day years ago, go everyone else banned then decided to rusha game so now we all have seats. We cant pass back to the keep because Liverpool did so often in Europe that FIFA had to take action.

Then you have the cheak to put a class A drug adict in the same post as the likes of Super Denis, Shearer & Giggs - the latter all have one thing in common they are athletes, not junkies.

So as I said at the top best player to have graced the premiership is Bergkamp and in my view prob one of the best footballers the world has ever seen.

BTW Shearer took penalties too ;-) they count for shit

xcite-tv

10-06-06, 05:41 PM

so take you old school liverpool team who scored then spent 89 mins passing back to the keeper and put them in the archive.

Along with the 1989 Michael Thomas goal....

remember boring boring Arsenal was the chant

ok back to who was the Premierships best player...any other names???

xcite-tv

10-06-06, 05:43 PM

BTW Shearer took penalties too ;-) they count for shit

so you didnt win the 1999 semi then ???

xcite-tv

10-06-06, 05:45 PM

So as I said at the top best player to have graced the premiership is Bergkamp and in my view prob one of the best footballers the world has ever seen.

but the world didnt see him.... he is scared to fly

NumptyNuts

10-06-06, 05:52 PM

but the world didnt see him.... he is scared to fly

And in in the world saw shearer Newcastle never qualified for anything

NumptyNuts

10-06-06, 05:58 PM

Along with the 1989 Michael Thomas goal....

remember boring boring Arsenal was the chant

ok back to who was the Premierships best player...any other names???

errr - Boring Arsenal was a name given to us in the 70's for playing the ong ball game. In my life time I do not recall Arsenal playing boring football, I can remenber them not playing well.

In fact in my life time I think we have a set a whole bunch of new records, which includes the best ever back 5 to play top flight footy, who by the way were ALL english ;-).

The chant I loved at footy was -

Sign on Sign On with pen in your hand and you'll never get a job, you'll never get a job.

Followed up by - We love thatcher, we love thatcher

:cheers2:

If I didnt reply to you no one would anyway there is about 5 people if that on this forum who even like footy.

gav

10-06-06, 05:59 PM

Now if we've moved on to great goals, time to bring in the man who was the master at them :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBx_c8Y0r0c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TL-loBQofwY

NumptyNuts

10-06-06, 06:03 PM

Now if we've moved on to great goals, time to bring in the man who was the master at them :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBx_c8Y0r0c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TL-loBQofwY

Best player I have seen play in Leeds shirt (I spent 2 seasons watching them at Elland Road when I came north) has to be Rio Ferdinand, the guy never lost the ball and I think he was too good to play at the back he should have been in the middle of the park.

I like LUFC I liked going to watch them but also enjoyed going as away fan too alway get a little bit of action in and around the ground :-) I was there in City square when you guys pipped Man U for the title Lukic saw my Arsenal shirt and gave a massive wave.

I cant read, I cant write but that doesnt matter, I come down from a Yorkshire town and I can drive a tractor....

xcite-tv

10-06-06, 06:28 PM

errr - Boring Arsenal was a name given to us in the 70's for playing the ong ball game. In my life time I do not recall Arsenal playing boring football, I can remenber them not playing well.

Short memory as it stretched well into the 80s and came along with the other chant.........."nil-nil to the Arsenal"

In fact in my life time I think we have a set a whole bunch of new records,

the only records that count are trophys... shall i count them ?

xcite-tv

10-06-06, 06:34 PM

But if you want to count other records

http://www.the-english-football-archive.com/records/team_records.htm

take a look and if you want to have a count up of the number of times teams are mentioned get back to me

ristac

10-06-06, 07:05 PM

As a Leeds supporter myself and having to rule out any player that has played for Man U then it has to be Henry. Out of all the players mentioned so far Henry is the only one with a World Cup, FA Cup, Premier Title and European Cup medal. Not bad for any medal cabinet

gav

10-06-06, 07:28 PM

Best player I have seen play in Leeds shirt (I spent 2 seasons watching them at Elland Road when I came north) has to be Rio Ferdinand, the guy never lost the ball and I think he was too good to play at the back he should have been in the middle of the park.

I like LUFC I liked going to watch them but also enjoyed going as away fan too alway get a little bit of action in and around the ground :-) I was there in City square when you guys pipped Man U for the title Lukic saw my Arsenal shirt and gave a massive wave.

I cant read, I cant write but that doesnt matter, I come down from a Yorkshire town and I can drive a tractor....

Ferdinand was a quality player for us as I dont think his ego was as big as when he signed for Man Utd. He very rarely made mistakes although he did have some quality players around him like Lucas, Woodgate and Matteo. Personally I'd rank Woody a much better defender than Rio.

Leeds has always been fun to go to away games as every nutter and his dog used to turn out against us, and still do to some extent. Think were a team where you either love us or hate us and thats how we like it. Them and us has always been the attitude the encapsulates Leeds, cant think of nothing worse than being everybodies second favourite team :)

Never heard that song before with those words, must be a gooners song. We used to sing something similar to Ipswich.

I cant read, I cant write but that dont really matter, I support Ipswich Town and I can drive a tractor.. ooh ahh ooh ahh

gav

10-06-06, 07:38 PM

As a Leeds supporter myself and having to rule out any player that has played for Man U

I know exactly what you mean :cheers2:

xcite-tv

10-06-06, 07:49 PM

I know exactly what you mean :cheers2:

Nobody dislikes Man U more than me... but players deserve respect

good job its not who is the greatest manager thread .....as i cannot bring myself to say Fergie....and i actually dont think he is the greatest manager ever anyway

gav

10-06-06, 08:04 PM

Nobody dislikes Man U more than me... but players deserve respect

good job its not who is the greatest manager thread .....as i cannot bring myself to say Fergie....and i actually dont think he is the greatest manager ever anyway

Dunno really, i look at the majority of players today as just greedy self centred bastards who I struggle to identify with, no matter who they play for. There are exceptions of course but it seems to be getting less and less.

Agree with you that Fergie is not the greatest manager ever but, if we are talking recent history then I'm afraid he is. God that really hurts to say that.

S.D.

10-06-06, 09:30 PM

BTW Shearer took penalties too ;-) they count for shit

That's right, especially during cup semi finals in 1999, just ask Dennis Berkamp :lmfao:

S.D.

10-06-06, 09:39 PM

How many goals has fowler got you got the stats yet?

Couldn't tell you how many goals he got, but here's an interesting stat.

Fastest ever premiership hatrick ?

This was achieved in the 1994 / 1995 season done in 4 mins 32 seconds.

By Robbie Fowler whilst paying against ....... ? :lmao2:

Grisey

10-06-06, 10:54 PM

Couldn't tell you how many goals he got, but here's an interesting stat.

Fastest ever premiership hatrick ?

This was achieved in the 1994 / 1995 season done in 4 mins 32 seconds.

By Robbie Fowler whilst paying against ....... ? :lmao2:

oooohhhhhhhhhhh i know this :gaylords:

Grisey

10-06-06, 11:02 PM

As a kid i always remebered this goal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4vD0tSArZA&mode=related&search=

alcorp

10-07-06, 01:04 AM

Gary Speed

NumptyNuts

10-07-06, 01:51 AM

Gary Speed

good ref mate :)

ristac

10-07-06, 08:19 AM

Nobody dislikes Man U more than me... but players deserve respect

Every Man U supporter I know and the players when you hear them give an Interview seem to think that they have a right to win every match. If they loose they sulk, its always the ref's fault or a decision that went against them. It should not just be about skills on the field but an all round package, an ambassador for the game. For this alone Henry would win hands down, add to it his medals, goals and skills I really cannot put anyone in front of him.

NumptyNuts

10-07-06, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by xcite-tv
Nobody dislikes Man U more than me... but players deserve respect

You are just jellous of them all Liverpool fans are, they have a better ground, more money, better players and are way more professional. Their kit is nicer they have a WAY better record in modern football then Liverpool will ever get.

Grisey

10-07-06, 02:41 PM

Cool another thread ruined by Mr smith, congrats

Jase

10-07-06, 03:39 PM

Im not big into football but am surprised no one has mentioned Cantona so far.

xcite-tv

10-07-06, 09:28 PM

Their kit is nicer .

:gaylords:

they have a WAY better record in modern football then Liverpool will ever get.

Which version of history are you going on about now...your selective history makes me laugh...

nobody has a better record of winning trophys then Liverpool......ever...

7 FA cups: more than anyone last in 2006
7 league cups More than anyone last in 2003
5 European cups more than any UK team 2005
6 UEFA wins More than any UK team 2001
18 league titles: still more than anyone last in 1990

so most of them except the premiership quite recent ....

since the formation of the premiership Man U have won more titles but not more cups and that is why i chose two Man U players as the best premiership players ever...

if you go back further i would have chosen Kenny Dalgliesh

read em and weep....

xcite-tv

10-07-06, 09:29 PM

Im not big into football but am surprised no one has mentioned Cantona so far.

he was a great for Man U but i think Peter Schmeichel was more influential for the whole team

Venice

10-08-06, 01:08 AM

NumptyNuts

10-08-06, 09:42 AM

Cool another thread ruined by Mr smith, congrats

No Grisey this is justa typical Liverpool fan spotuing off - it is hardly ruined looks like any other footy thread / footy debate :cheers2:

NumptyNuts

10-08-06, 09:43 AM

Ignoring Mr Xcites opinion...and a complete girl answer... I like Robbie Fowler..

His team disowned him for his behaviour but brought him back for the fans...and he does score some pretty nifty goals..

He is a cocaine adict, he should not be playing, it says to people in Liverpool and young kids it is OK to take class A drugs as you will still be treated like a king - he should be banned :)

Grisey

10-08-06, 10:37 AM

No Grisey this is justa typical Liverpool fan spotuing off - it is hardly ruined looks like any other footy thread / footy debate :cheers2:
And your typical Arsenal fan spouting off the same shit you have 20 times before, it gets boring.

gav

10-08-06, 01:57 PM

He is a cocaine adict, he should not be playing, it says to people in Liverpool and young kids it is OK to take class A drugs as you will still be treated like a king - he should be banned :)

Unfortunately Fowler is the tip of the iceberg in regards to footballers and coke. Plenty of others have taken them in the past but only Fowler and Merson seem to have got stuck with the user tag. I could name plenty of others who have taken it, or are reputed to, like Lee Sharpe, Johnathon Woodgate, Rio Ferdinand, Ashley Cole but they seem to have got away with it.

Give young famous people obscene amounts of cash with plenty of free time to do as they please and its a recipe for disaster. I've personally known two ex footballers very well and both lived life to the extreme to say the least.

One thing you can say about Fowler is all that coke hasn't fucked his brain up much. He's supposed to be an extremely accute business man and has made a fortune off the pitch with property and other ventures.

Coatsy

10-08-06, 03:30 PM

Ferdinand was a quality player for us as I dont think his ego was as big as when he signed for Man Utd. He very rarely made mistakes although he did have some quality players around him like Lucas, Woodgate and Matteo. Personally I'd rank Woody a much better defender than Rio.

Thankyou :thumbsup:

Woodgate is a much better player than Ferdinand, he reads the game better, has a better tackiling ability and is better in the air. Woodgates problem has always been his injuries, I think it's a real pity that he couldn't have stayed injury free over the last few seasons because I think him and Terry would make an excellent partnership for england, rock solid!

Ferdinand was always a decent player until he went to Man United, that price tag went to his head and he has been absolutely useless so far this season. He was never worth 30 million, infact he was never worth 18 million when he moved to Leeds. I think he has never been worth anymore than 12 million, the problem is he is far too inconsistent. People say he is composed on the ball (that's bullshit, he's just a lazy cunt that spends too much time on the ball) He's no Japp Stam!

BTW how many medals Fowler got or did he pawn them all for more gear ;-)

Robbie Fowler is one of the richest players in the premiership, he owns over 100 properties and has a net worth of around £100 million.

He is also in the top 1000 most wealthy people in the United Kingdom

Ok now to answer the question, I'd have to say Thierry Henry based on sheer ability and consistency over the past 4 or 5 years.

Now for sheer consistency and being the driving force and influence of the most sucessful team in the premiership to date, well there can be none other than Roy Keane.

Sure the guy never had ability like players with flair like Henry but I can think of no other player in the premiership who has driven their team and inspired them (over such a period of time) as Roy Keane and who has as many medals to show for it.

The guy is a Man United legend and always gave 150%

Coatsy

10-08-06, 03:37 PM

I'd also like to add that Ferguson forking out £18 million for Michael Carrick is an insult to Roy Keane. To even mention the two in the same sentence is a joke, that's another overinflated transfer fee.

Michael Carrick is worth about £8 million max, he is no Roy Keane. Manchester United had an opportunity to actually buy a world class defensive midfield player in Patrick Viera this summer and we didn't bid on him. Even Senna from Villareal is a better player than Carrick (and we could have got him for about £5 - 7 million)

The player I see being the next Patrick Viera is Mohamed Sissoko of Liverpool, he has all the attributes to be the next Viera (I think he needs another year or 2 before he reaches that kinda of level though, still much better than Carrick though)

NumptyNuts

10-08-06, 04:17 PM

Im not big into football but am surprised no one has mentioned Cantona so far.

You cant bring hi into it, he never played in the PL long enough - yes qa great player but still he was really just a 'cameo' role within United, also his antics away from football and some of the bad things he done on the pitch have to go against him.

:)

xcite-tv

10-08-06, 05:34 PM

he should be banned :)

if i remember he never tested positive for any drug in his career..

you cant ban a player because he scores a shit load of goals against your team... and the premierships fastest ever hat trick.. who was that against again ??? oh yes Englands then keeper David Seaman

NumptyNuts

10-08-06, 05:52 PM

if i remember he never tested positive for any drug in his career..

you cant ban a player because he scores a shit load of goals against your team... and the premierships fastest ever hat trick.. who was that against again ??? oh yes Englands then keeper David Seaman

You are right Fowler is great, in fact he is the best ever player to play in the history of football, a perfect example of an top class sportsman. Liverpool fans think he is god in fact I understand thats his nickname at Anfield, so I must be wrong.

:cheers2:

NumptyNuts

10-08-06, 05:58 PM

And your typical Arsenal fan spouting off the same shit you have 20 times before, it gets boring.

thats footy banter / convo - its all the same it only changes slightly as another season is finsihed and can be thrown into the mix. :)

Xcite knows that and if he & I talk footy it will always end up messy and neither of us will give an inch, and TBH I wouldnt have it any other way.

Look at England, we beat Greece and people here were amazed its great EU Champions beaten, yesterday's game was awful, the players should all be dropped for the next game and let people play who have some pride and desire to win.

gawdi

10-08-06, 06:18 PM

Woodgate is a much better player than Ferdinand, he reads the game better, has a better tackiling ability and is better in the air. Woodgates problem has always been his injuries, I think it's a real pity that he couldn't have stayed injury free over the last few seasons because I think him and Terry would make an excellent partnership for england, rock solid!

Agreed....

My daughter knows Woodgate very well....... she says since he's come back from Madrid hes a different person to the cocky, arrogant, shit he became at Leeds..... He just wants to play well and keep fit over the next 6 months....

If he does this I think he'd be great for England... but I think a better partner for him would be Ledley King... It would give us 2 of the most skillful and fastest centre backs in the world..... Terry is good but he can be a bit of a donkey on occassions!!

xcite-tv

10-08-06, 06:56 PM

You are right Fowler is great, in fact he is the best ever player to play in the history of football, a perfect example of an top class sportsman. Liverpool fans think he is god in fact I understand thats his nickname at Anfield, so I must be wrong.

:cheers2:

well i wouldnt go that far .....but he is the third highest ever scorer in the Premiership....but not good enough for the team now...... you can have him if you want

Coatsy

10-08-06, 09:43 PM

Agreed....

My daughter knows Woodgate very well....... she says since he's come back from Madrid hes a different person to the cocky, arrogant, shit he became at Leeds..... He just wants to play well and keep fit over the next 6 months....

Nice one! that's pretty cool

My mate heard that woodgate had been a bit of a pisshead for the past few years and the reason why he got injured so much was because he didn't take training seriously and didn't train as much as he should. Any truth in that? Would be interesting to know :crown:

If he does this I think he'd be great for England... but I think a better partner for him would be Ledley King... It would give us 2 of the most skillful and fastest centre backs in the world..... Terry is good but he can be a bit of a donkey on occassions!!

I honestly think that Michael Dawson is better than Ledley King, I think King is a good player but he lacks the physical presence and strength that he needs to be a commanding central defender (He sorta reminds me of Emil Heskey, in the sense that he has all the right attributes to be a real class act but they both don't seem to apply themselves the way that they need to)

In my opinion John Terry has been shit for england for about 2 years now, he is quite prone to error when playing for england. Surprisingly even in the air, plus as you have said already, he can be a donkey at times and he does get away with a lot of fouls at Chelsea.

Coatsy

10-08-06, 10:03 PM

Look at England, we beat Greece and people here were amazed its great EU Champions beaten, yesterday's game was awful, the players should all be dropped for the next game and let people play who have some pride and desire to win.

To be fair, you do have a point here :crown:

Same shit as usual with England, Reputation, Reputation, Reputation

Rooney - You're having a laugh, the lad has been in piss poor form for Man United since the start of the season

Downing - Can't cross for shit at times, very inconsistent but basically does very little on the pitch (compared to Lennon who beats a few players each time he has the ball)

Lampard - WTF is he still doing in the England team, he is probably the most over rated English player we have had in the last few years.

Crouch - I don't care how many goals he scores against shit teams, I still think he's a useless peice of shit! He's not even in the Liverpool side at the moment and he's a regular for England now? LOL!

Defoe - Having him in the England squad is REALLY taking the piss, I can't remember the last time I have seen a players standard go down so much in a 2 year period.

Ferdinand & Terry - Don't even get me started! Both are over rated for England and are prone to error.

I'd really like to see the England squad picked based on Club form and NOT on reputation for a change. Here is an example - Hargreaves was given a chance and look how well he performed for England.

This would happen if some other quality players got a decent chance (based on their excellent club form)

Up Front

How about giving Darren Bent a chance up front? He's scored 4 so far for Charlton this season, how about giving Agbonlahor of Aston Villa a chance? I know he's young but he's got bags of pace and has scored 2 goals so far this season. Andrew Johnson got injured but he certainly deserves his chance for England.

Midfield

Kevin Nolan - he deserves his chance for England. He's been knocking on the door for years now and he's scored some fantastic goals against the bigger teams

Scott Parker - He's been fantastic for Newcastle this season, he deserves a chance in midfield in the holding role

Wayne Routledge - Bags of pace, has been playing great for Fulham on the left wing, deserves a chance to shine

Defense

Michael Dawson - Rock solid for Spurs since he arrived, he deserves a chance to play in the center of defense for England

NumptyNuts

10-08-06, 10:56 PM

Crouch - I don't care how many goals he scores against shit teams, I still think he's a useless peice of shit! He's not even in the Liverpool side at the moment and he's a regular for England now? LOL!

I play sunday mornings and today we played against a team who had a look alike of Crouch in fact the only difference was he was taller.....

Mind you he scored 4 past me this AM I couldnt catch a cold, my team mates laughed as I came flying out with a fist missed the ball and got a mouth full of mud. They said I looked like a 'Superman' who couldnt fly :(

NumptyNuts

10-08-06, 10:58 PM

well i wouldnt go that far .....but he is the third highest ever scorer in the Premiership....but not good enough for the team now...... you can have him if you want

We tried to bid for him I think a few years ago, funny you mention his record against Arsenal, to me the one guy who played for liverpool who we were pleased to see not play against us was Beardsley.

xcite-tv

10-09-06, 08:09 AM

To be fair, you do have a point here :crown:

Same shit as usual with England, Reputation, Reputation, Reputation

Rooney - You're having a laugh, the lad has been in piss poor form for Man United since the start of the season

Downing - Can't cross for shit at times, very inconsistent but basically does very little on the pitch (compared to Lennon who beats a few players each time he has the ball)

Lampard - WTF is he still doing in the England team, he is probably the most over rated English player we have had in the last few years.

Crouch - I don't care how many goals he scores against shit teams, I still think he's a useless peice of shit! He's not even in the Liverpool side at the moment and he's a regular for England now? LOL!

Defoe - Having him in the England squad is REALLY taking the piss, I can't remember the last time I have seen a players standard go down so much in a 2 year period.

Ferdinand & Terry - Don't even get me started! Both are over rated for England and are prone to error.

I'd really like to see the England squad picked based on Club form and NOT on reputation for a change. Here is an example - Hargreaves was given a chance and look how well he performed for England.

This would happen if some other quality players got a decent chance (based on their excellent club form)

Up Front

How about giving Darren Bent a chance up front? He's scored 4 so far for Charlton this season, how about giving Agbonlahor of Aston Villa a chance? I know he's young but he's got bags of pace and has scored 2 goals so far this season. Andrew Johnson got injured but he certainly deserves his chance for England.

Midfield

Kevin Nolan - he deserves his chance for England. He's been knocking on the door for years now and he's scored some fantastic goals against the bigger teams

Scott Parker - He's been fantastic for Newcastle this season, he deserves a chance in midfield in the holding role

Wayne Routledge - Bags of pace, has been playing great for Fulham on the left wing, deserves a chance to shine

Defense

Michael Dawson - Rock solid for Spurs since he arrived, he deserves a chance to play in the center of defense for England

If i had to pick an England team today...NONE of the above would get in it

OK lets change this thread a bit.... your all saying who is crap...So Pick an England team and a system of play

here is my go

Goalkeeper: Scot Carson

Defense: Gary Neville. Ledley King Jamie Carragher Ashley cole

midfield David Beckham Kevin Nolan, Steven Gerrard, Shaun Wright-Phillips

Strikers: Andrew Johnson.. Bobby Zamora

playing (without changing ever) 4-4-2

ristac

10-09-06, 10:55 AM

England as a football nation has won just one trophy in over 60 years of competition. It is only the English (myself included) who expect us to go all the way. We are not good enough and we shall probably not be so for a few more years yet. The expectations by the English fans is unrealistic, take the domestic game as an example, it will be one of 3 maybe 4 teams that will win the title if you ask any neutral.

Chelsea, Man U, Arsenal and maybe Liverpool. Ask a Newcastle and Spurs fan if they have the slightest chance (before the season started) and they would say yes, the rest of us know that neither team stands a chance but optimism amongst their own supporters says otherwise.

Statistics do play a part in sport and one trophy in 60+ years says it all.

NumptyNuts

10-09-06, 11:02 AM

gawdi

10-09-06, 11:57 AM

One of the big problems is at grass routes level, I was back in Leeds last week and two of the plying fields that were used for winter sports Footy / Rugby have been turned into housing developments.

Even here where I live now surrounded by country side our local pub was unable to secure a pitch to play on, in fact the council advised him they would be building soon on some of the land thus reducing the number of pitches.

If you get the train from Schipol to Amsterdam you pass hundreds of footy pitches many that are designed for kids - ie reduced in size. when I was at school we played on full size pitches which meant it was just silly scores as the goals were just so big.

When i was working over there.... every village has a stadium where the local teams can play... and if you go past at night they're always floodlit with kids training on them............

Around me here in suffolk, some schools have pitches but wont let them out to anyone.... so the nearest pitch my village team (if we had 1) could play is 12 miles away............

10-09-06, 12:00 PM

When i was working over there.... every village has a stadium where the local teams can play... and if you go past at night they're always floodlit with kids training on them............

Around me here in suffolk, some schools have pitches but wont let them out to anyone.... so the nearest pitch my village team (if we had 1) could play is 12 miles away............

I wonder what the quality of the training facilities are in Brazil

NumptyNuts

10-09-06, 01:08 PM

I wonder what the quality of the training facilities are in Brazil

They have places to play, open flat areas the same as we do here, it may not have always been the case though it certainly is now. what they tend to struggle with in places like Brazil, Africa etc is the actual kit, balls.

Pele learnt to play football / his skills with oranges!

They play a different format of the game their too to build skills, the ball is way heavier so it does not leave the ground, its bit like playing with a medicine ball about the size of a size 3 soccer ball.

NumptyNuts

10-09-06, 01:10 PM

Around me here in suffolk, some schools have pitches but wont let them out to anyone.... so the nearest pitch my village team (if we had 1) could play is 12 miles away............

Same here there is a massive school and no one can play footy there other then the school. Schools should let teams hire the pitch and changing rooms would make a tidy little bit of extra income.

wanted to add also for us to hire a pitch when I was in Leeds at Lawswood, floodlight all weather surface it was £120 for 2 hours!

xcite-tv

10-09-06, 03:03 PM

I wonder what the quality of the training facilities are in Brazil

exactly... we just make excuses the Brazilians play anywhere and everywhere they can..

like we used to do as kids, in the days when you were allowed to play with a ball on the street..

however i dont think the Brazilians had the squalor and poverty we had in Liverpool

NumptyNuts

10-09-06, 03:22 PM

exactly... we just make excuses the Brazilians play anywhere and everywhere they can..

like we used to do as kids, in the days when you were allowed to play with a ball on the street..

however i dont think the Brazilians had the squalor and poverty we had in Liverpool

You aint allowed to play with aball in the street these days, even when I was a kid people would moan so we played in a car park till they moaned. Prob why I am such a bad goalkeeper now :-)

ristac

10-09-06, 04:17 PM

Kids in Brazil have nothing, they socialise with other kids and enjoy kicking a ball around in the streets and parks.

Kids in the UK have XBox, Sky, PSII, Computers and would rather sit indoors being a techie geek.

Coatsy

10-09-06, 05:56 PM

here is my go

Goalkeeper: Scot Carson

Defense: Gary Neville. Ledley King Jamie Carragher Ashley cole

midfield: David Beckham Kevin Nolan, Steven Gerrard, Shaun Wright-Phillips

Strikers: Andrew Johnson.. Bobby Zamora

playing (without changing ever) 4-4-2

Not bad, I'd do without Beckham and Wright-Phillips due to the fact that they haven't been playing much recently.

The thing that annoys me about England is the fact that the players are in the side no matter how their club form is and that's rediculous because it leads to complacency. I say drop ALL the underperformers and don't allow them back in the England squad until they have proven their worth again with good club form.

Statistics do play a part in sport and one trophy in 60+ years says it all.

Very true, expectation is too high but based on the players we do have we always seem to underachieve

xcite-tv

10-09-06, 06:06 PM

Not bad, I'd do without Beckham and Wright-Phillips due to the fact that they haven't been playing much recently.

The thing that annoys me about England is the fact that the players are in the side no matter how their club form is and that's rediculous because it leads to complacency. I say drop ALL the underperformers and don't allow them back in the England squad until they have proven their worth again with good club form.

But can you imagine the performace you would get out of Becks right now

We had one free kick just out side the box and it was wasted..Beckham on the pitch on Saturday would have buried it...I would have put my house on it

and the two forward choices are simple...play the two highest English scorers in the league at that time

Have a nucleus of 25-30 players and pick the ones on top form at that time..drop the rest

we carried too many players off form on Saturday..

Coatsy

10-09-06, 07:38 PM

But can you imagine the performace you would get out of Becks right now

We had one free kick just out side the box and it was wasted..Beckham on the pitch on Saturday would have buried it...I would have put my house on it

Mate beckham hadn't scored from a free kick in 2 years before the world cup, he's not been anywhere near his best for England for a few years now.

I do admit though, if he was given the chance to play again he'd play his socks off (but I feel this treatment should have been given to most of the England squad after such an incredibly poor performance by most of the players during the world cup)

IMO Beckham needs to play his socks off for his club to earn the right again to play for england, same with a lot of other players like Lampard, Ferdinand etc.

It won't happen though because that would just make too much sense. Even though we all know that it's not the best players than win a match, it's the best team!

and the two forward choices are simple...play the two highest English scorers in the league at that time

Have a nucleus of 25-30 players and pick the ones on top form at that time..drop the rest

we carried too many players off form on Saturday..

That's a good idea and I really think we would have seen bold steps like this implemented if Sam Alderdyce had of been appointed the England manager.