Black Added to the Union Jack....

[NumptyNuts]

Yep thats right it is been proposed that they change the Union Jack to reflect 'modern' Britain -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2981038.stm

Britain's national flag - the union jack - has been given the makeover treatment, in the hope of reflecting a more modern society.

Whats your thoughts?

I really am shocked :-(

[mellenig]

I thought it was a joke untill I read that.....i cant see it happening but the campaign to do it just about sums up what is wrong with the UK today.

[Nickali]

biggest load of crap i've ever heard.

[JT]

If that isnt a hoax then it makes me sick to my stomach

[Rosie]

Bugger - means I'll have to redesign UK Flashers then don't it?

Actually.... I quite like it. It does look more modern, and that's not necessarily a BAD thing you old fogies ;)

[NumptyNuts]

See your point Rosie just don't thnk we should mess about with things that have been the same for generations - do you really like the new version better?

[Rosie]

See your point Rosie just don't thnk we should mess about with things that have been the same for generations - do you really like the new version better?

Yeah I really do like the new version better, it's really quite smart.

As for messing about with things that have been the same for generations, I suggest you switch off your computer and get back down the coal mines sonny :takethat:

[NumptyNuts]

Yeah I really do like the new version better, it's really quite smart.

As for messing about with things that have been the same for generations, I suggest you switch off your computer and get back down the coal mines sonny :takethat:

LOL - Its our history and the fact we have one that makes a lot of people visit us :)

PS do you think they have a wifi hot spot in the mines these days? :)

[craig]

I gotta say that didn't float my boat.

I wonder how much tax payers money is gonna be spent on this now.

[Geezer]

The national front will have to write a knew chant, well they won'tbe able to use the old one anymore:

"There Ain't No Black In The Union Jack"

Although actually that would now be correct because "ain't no" is a double negative so if there ain't no black there must be black, so they can leave it as it is and the chant will actually work with the new flag :take that:

[daveydude]

I wonder how much tax payers money is gonna be spent on this now.

Eh? It was done by an independant designer who is trying to promote a multicultural Britain. The taxpayer has nothing to do with it.

It will never be adopted of course but it's cool that it provokes debate on the issue, and I think that's the point.

[Tim]

OK that's it. Time to post a necessary link:

Campaign Against Political Correctness (http://www.capc.co.uk)

[NumptyNuts]

OK that's it. Time to post a necessary link:

Campaign Against Political Correctness (http://www.capc.co.uk)


Bookmarked :)

[Tim]

Bookmarked :)

Good man! :)

[daveydude]

OK that's it. Time to post a necessary link:

Campaign Against Political Correctness (http://www.capc.co.uk)

So what do they actually do & who does it benefit?

[Tim]

Good question.
To me it is a more formal way to express the fact that political correctness drives me absolutely nuts.

I am against anything that belittles and erodes tradition, edits history and makes life more complicated and worse for the masses.

Although I look to the future I am a nostalgic kind of chap and take comfort in things that the namby pampy yoghurt knitting bleeding heart liberal goodies want to destroy.

[Tim]

However I haven't formalized anything with CAPC yet. I just approve of them as they seem to be the only, albeit tiny, way of saying NO! Enough!!

[Rosie]

Good question.
To me it is a more formal way to express the fact that political correctness drives me absolutely nuts.

I am against anything that belittles and erodes tradition, edits history and makes life more complicated and worse for the masses.

Although I look to the future I am a nostalgic kind of chap and take comfort in things that the namby pampy yoghurt knitting bleeding heart liberal goodies want to destroy.

Presumably you would have deplored Indian winning it's independance, children being sent to school instead of up chimneys, the abolition of the slave trade and the formation of the welfare state?

Not everything historical and tradtional is good - and whilst we in Britain have some brilliant things to be proud of in our history, we also have some pretty crappy stuff too.

I'm with you on political correctness, it goes above and beyond sanity sometimes. Maybe when we teach our children respect for everyone (irrespective of age, sexuality, colour, race, ability or religion) then we'll have no need for political correctness.

[daveydude]

It's usually only the people who aren't discriminated against in any way who are anti-political correctness. I agree that some things are a bit ridiculous if they're true, but the general issue of having respect for others can't be all bad can it?

[Tim]

Presumably you would have deplored Indian winning it's independance, children being sent to school instead of up chimneys, the abolition of the slave trade and the formation of the welfare state?

Not everything historical and tradtional is good - and whilst we in Britain have some brilliant things to be proud of in our history, we also have some pretty crappy stuff too.

I'm with you on political correctness, it goes above and beyond sanity sometimes. Maybe when we teach our children respect for everyone (irrespective of age, sexuality, colour, race, ability or religion) then we'll have no need for political correctness.

I was afraid someone would make an incorrect assumption about my view following my post. Still this is part of the problem. There is a distinction to be made between sensible and logical people against the nanny state changing everything (which if you are with me on political correctness, you are) and the racism and bigotry of those you incorrectly align me with.

Nor do I deplore any of the positive changes made to the empire or anything related. :)

[Tim]

I agree that some things are a bit ridiculous if they're true, but the general issue of having respect for others can't be all bad can it?

Of course not. That is one of the good things about the UK :)

[Tim]

Maybe when we teach our children respect for everyone (irrespective of age, sexuality, colour, race, ability or religion) then we'll have no need for political correctness.

Well said. My feelings exactly.

[cock-a-leekie]

It looks like shit. Shouldn't fuck around with things like that.

If the black bit is supposed to reflect in the growing number of black UK citizens then that’s horseshit. People with ethnic backgrounds should be encouraged to trace their roots and their own heritage, NOT change mine.

The Union Jack and Bundesflagge are equal in my own heritage and I don’t want either changing thank you very much.

Also, since the Union Jack in an amalgamation of 3 flags of the kingdom (not Wales – that came under England) How the fuck can you add or change it?

This kind of shit pisses me off, schools that don’t use English as the primary language because the majority of the kids are Hindu or Muslim etc. is another example of going too far.

I say when in Rome do as the Romans or fuck off back to where you came from.

[cock-a-leekie]

Eh? It was done by an independant designer who is trying to promote a multicultural Britain. The taxpayer has nothing to do with it.




Really? So if this flag is adopted by the armed forces this designer is going to pay for it?

When the BBC changed it's "BBC" lettering to "BBC" (spot the difference) That cost £5m of taxpayers money.
Letterheads, stationary, advertising, signwriting, re-painting vehicles, TV visuals etc. - Globally.

[mellenig]

If the black bit is supposed to reflect in the growing number of black UK citizens then that’s horseshit. People with ethnic backgrounds should be encouraged to trace their roots and their own heritage, NOT change mine.



Nicely put :thumbsup:

[-HF]

Bundesflagge


red/white/red or black/red/gold ?

[cock-a-leekie]

red/white/red or black/red/gold ?

schwarz/rot/gold

[daveydude]

Really? So if this flag is adopted by the armed forces this designer is going to pay for it?

Eh??? Where does it say the armed forces are involved? Read the article dude. It's some guy who thinks a red white black & blue flag is a neat idea - nothing more. It's a PR stunt (public relations, not Page Rank lol) for this designer and his beliefs. Chill out, your precious tax money is safe ;)

[Alf Garnet]

How does black represent anyone? Ive never seen someone who is black. Maybe we should have a flag made up of 1 million different shades of skin tone, from very white and freckly through to the dargest browns.

OK it would make each flag cost about 1000 pound to make, but hey if it pleases all you political correct lefties, Im all for it :)

[lizaanddel]

fucking shocking the union jack is supposed to represent the countries flags who are in the union, and none of these have black, you could also argue, why choose black, what about yellow, for the chinese?

[-HF]

the real issue i have with that presented new design is it's similarity to the old german war flag. struck me yesterda already but decided to wait if that was a first glance thing only, but it still reminds of it today.

google for 'reichskriegsflagge' if you wanna see yourself.

[cock-a-leekie]

Eh??? Where does it say the armed forces are involved? Read the article dude. It's some guy who thinks a red white black & blue flag is a neat idea - nothing more. It's a PR stunt (public relations, not Page Rank lol) for this designer and his beliefs. Chill out, your precious tax money is safe ;)

It doesn’t, that’s why I said “if”. I also used the BBC branding as an example since the article is on the BBC’s website. Of course no body is saying that it will replace the existing flag, I was merely pointing out that if this idea does gain some momentum, you can’t guarantee that it will cost the Tax payer somewhere down the line…

[cock-a-leekie]

you can’t guarantee that it will cost the Tax payer somewhere down the line…


Er woops checksum error

That was meant to say you CAN guarantee... :)

[Nickali]

biggest load of crap i've ever heard.

still the biggest load of crap i've ever heard