View Full Version : Should The Severely Disabled Have A Sex Allowance?
By severely disabled I mean to the extent of not being able to feed themselves and wipe their own arses, no matter "relieve" themselves with masturbation.
They have added allowances for care (to pay for someone to wipe their arse). They have added allowances for travel. Why is travel considered a necessary expence and sex for the disabled not?
Able-bodied people with sexual-health problems receive treatment on the NHS (viagra etc) So sexual activity is considered a human right enough for the NHS to spend out on it. Yet the disabled don't get any help to have sex.
Let's face it, not many able-bodied persons ever look twice at an even moderately disabled person, the severely disabled that can't eat or speak and most likely dribble all over themselves have very little chance at getting laid. There are "angels" in the care profession who do happily and discretely take care of their client's sexual needs, but they're few and far between. I've known a lot of disabled males who saved up (out of their 10 quid a week allowance - which is all they get if they're in state care) to go to amsterdam and hire a prostitute so they can have at least one sexual experience in their life. But I've not yet heard of a disabled female doing so.
I've heard various solutions over the years, one man, who lived with his mother, was advised by his social worker, when he asked for advice, that she could get him a sex toy penis pump thing that would do the masturbation for him. Again not really thought out.. so this man was supposed to ask his mum to put this toy on his erection.. leave him alone to have his "fun". Then come and remove the toy and clean up the mess? How many of you would be happy with your mother putting a sex toy on you then coming and cleaning your spunk up afterwards? How many carers/nurses do you think would be happy to perform this service as part of their "care duties"?
But of course no one wants their tax money to go towards helping other people have sex (unless it's remotely like viagra).
Do the severely disabled not deserve to have sex (and we're talking not even self-sex here)? Or had you, like the majority of people, considered them asexual with no sexual needs of their own anyway? What would be your solution to help them enjoy this most basic of human rights?
strictlybroadband
10-02-06, 10:19 PM
There's a charity called Outsiders dedicated to bringing some sexual experience to disabled people. http://www.outsiders.org.uk/
For example I know a stripper who went and danced for blind people - letting people feel her hair and clothing.
I also remember a story about the Dutch government who paid for a disabled guy to have sex with a hooker once a month. He claimed it made him feel good so he didn't need his medication, which saved the govt on healthcare bills...
TheShiftyEyedBastard
10-02-06, 10:43 PM
My question is what prostitute is going to go down in the basement to give them release? and wouldn't their shackles creep the hookers out just as much as the disability?
wankmaster
10-02-06, 10:56 PM
There was a story about this last year. 95 year old or something said he was depressed and wanted a prostitute on the NHS. There was a lot of hum an haw, then they agreed but couldn't agree where to do the deed, old folks home didn't like the idea. In the end they settled on a bed in a NHS hospital, but before he got satisfaction he dropped dead.
Shame really,
TheShiftyEyedBastard
10-02-06, 11:03 PM
There was a story about this last year. 95 year old or something said he was depressed and wanted a prostitute on the NHS. There was a lot of hum an haw, then they agreed but couldn't agree where to do the deed, old folks home didn't like the idea. In the end they settled on a bed in a NHS hospital, but before he got satisfaction he dropped dead.
Shame really,
That is quite possibly the most fucked up thing I have ever heard.
How many carers/nurses do you think would be happy to perform this service as part of their "care duties"?
the answer to this is none. the nurses role is complex and they are expected to do many things that are asked of them by patients but this is really rocky ground, many nurses are the exact opposite to Rosie Dixon - Night Nurse and are very religious or straight laced and would never dream of doing that "service" not only that how many of them would be at work the next day when their partner hears of what they are expected to do?
not only that not many nurses actually like many of their patients, most patients are complete arseholes (its called the Pyjama complex, or somthing like that) also a hand shandy when you are unable to tell then "shaker" that they are too rough or whatever could, i would expect, be very painful
katyrefer
10-03-06, 01:08 AM
Rebel,
A very intersting topic that you brought up I have never thought of!
No way cos then even disabled people will be getting more than me - at least now I can sleep a little bit easier knowing that there is someone somewhere in the world getting less action than I am!
What about really ugly people? Do they get any help too? Where would I, I mean, they sign up? Would the equal opps and discrimination laws mean I would be unable to specify who would be coming along to do me, err, I mean them?
Seriously, Sex isn't a right and with Joe A currently in hospital and unable to get a doc to come along and deal with his ear infection, the NHS clearly has better things to find some money to deal with. Sorry, but its not the states responsibilty to provide for everything, I'd settle for a health service that just kept those in need free from pain and provided with whatever medical treatment they require. Handjobs for the needy do not qualify as medical.
Or had you, like the majority of people, considered them asexual with no sexual needs of their own anyway?
Don't try the "does he take sugar?" approach. If they are real people unworthy of a condescending attitude, then don't do it to them over sex either, Let them sort it out themsevles.
strictlybroadband
10-03-06, 09:03 AM
No way cos then even disabled people will be getting more than me - at least now I can sleep a little bit easier knowing that there is someone somewhere in the world getting less action than I am!
You could team up with Jock Strap and form the webmasters not getting laid society. Not sure what you'd do though - perhaps have an annual conference?
strictlybroadband
10-03-06, 09:06 AM
Seriously, Sex isn't a right and with Joe A currently in hospital and unable to get a doc to come along and deal with his ear infection, the NHS clearly has better things to find some money to deal with. Sorry, but its not the states responsibilty to provide for everything, I'd settle for a health service that just kept those in need free from pain and provided with whatever medical treatment they require. Handjobs for the needy do not qualify as medical.
OK, but just suppose, hypothetically like, that they found all those US school shooting were caused by guys not getting enough sex. Judging from yesterday's, where the guy let all the boys go and shot the girls, that might be the case. So then you could calculate that giving out sex on the state would save, say, 100 children from dying in the next ten years. Would it be worth it then?
More seriously, what if it was found that giving out free sex would prevent thousands of kids from being abused within the family?
heidi84
10-03-06, 09:57 AM
More seriously, what if it was found that giving out free sex would prevent thousands of kids from being abused within the family?
Good point, there is actually evidence to say that a large number of disabled people have/ have tried to abuse a child close to their home or in their family. Could this be down to the fact that they lack a sex life? Could it also be the fact that some of them who have been like this all their lives have never had sex explained to them properly? have carers thought there was 'no need' because of their disability they wouldnt understand or want sex?
If it stopped someone getting abused i would agree to them getting a bit on the nhs. A hooker would be more than happy.
You would have to legalise prostitution first. thats never going to happen in this country. It isnt exactly an election winner
heidi84
10-03-06, 10:10 AM
It isnt exactly an election winner
hahahaha no i wouldnt have thought so :takethat:
Jezebels
10-03-06, 10:20 AM
I love the idea........... Will it be privatised, as I see cash signs lol!!!
What about really ugly people? Do they get any help too? Where would I, I mean, they sign up? Would the equal opps and discrimination laws mean I would be unable to specify who would be coming along to do me, err, I mean them?
Seriously, Sex isn't a right and with Joe A currently in hospital and unable to get a doc to come along and deal with his ear infection, the NHS clearly has better things to find some money to deal with. Sorry, but its not the states responsibilty to provide for everything, I'd settle for a health service that just kept those in need free from pain and provided with whatever medical treatment they require. Handjobs for the needy do not qualify as medical.
Don't try the "does he take sugar?" approach. If they are real people unworthy of a condescending attitude, then don't do it to them over sex either, Let them sort it out themsevles.
Wrong argument.. ugly people can masturbate. We're talking about severely disabled people that can't even masturbate themselves for some sexual release.
Exactly how long can you go without getting laid or masturbating before you start to feel almost a sense of pain and definitely torment and suffering? Dare you to try it. But you won't.. because sexual relief is something you have right at hand, pun intended.
mOBSCENE
10-03-06, 01:15 PM
You would have to legalise prostitution first. thats never going to happen in this country. It isnt exactly an election winner
Prostitution per se has always been legal in Britain - it is things like running brothels, soliciting etc that are illegal.
We could always lend them our old gloryhole if that would help.
Elisha Jade
10-03-06, 04:30 PM
Exactly how long can you go without getting laid or masturbating before you start to feel almost a sense of pain and definitely torment and suffering? Dare you to try it. But you won't.. because sexual relief is something you have right at hand, pun intended.
If you'd never had it though, you wouldn't know what you were missing.
If you'd never had it though, you wouldn't know what you were missing.
Bullshit.. sexual desire comes with puberty. The males still get hardons they can't do anything to release, the females still get that ache for release. And the longer it goes without release the worse it gets.
Imagine getting turned on, and turned on, and turned on, over years and years without being able to do anything about it.
(and for those above mentioning the child abuse, if they're mobile enough to abuse a child they're mobile enough to masturbate and don't come into this equation, I'm only talking about the disability severe enough that they can't even masturbate)
Elisha Jade
10-03-06, 05:13 PM
Bullshit.. sexual desire comes with puberty. The males still get hardons they can't do anything to release, the females still get that ache for release. And the longer it goes without release the worse it gets.
I don't 100% agree with that. Yes most people do, but I know of people who are in their 30's never been laid, never masturbated.. and I know they aren't lying to cover it, we're very open :)
strictlybroadband
10-03-06, 05:15 PM
I don't 100% agree with that. Yes most people do, but I know of people who are in their 30's never been laid, never masturbated.. and I know they aren't lying to cover it, we're very open :)
Yeah, but all female, right?
Elisha Jade
10-03-06, 05:29 PM
Yeah but there wasn't a sex limit on this thread ;)
strictlybroadband
10-03-06, 05:44 PM
Yeah but there wasn't a sex limit on this thread ;)
Just checking... I doubt many guys reach 15 or so without having worked out how to wank. :)
Elisha Jade
10-03-06, 05:55 PM
Just checking... I doubt many guys reach 15 or so without having worked out how to wank.
Yeah with women its different I guess :) Not as obvious then lol.
strictlybroadband
10-03-06, 06:00 PM
Yeah with women its different I guess :) Not as obvious then lol.
That just proves boys are cleverer than girls. :crown:
i don't think you could ever get that made into law
I'm sure seriously disabled people can save a few pennies to get a escort round once in a while if they really wanted!
mOBSCENE
10-03-06, 07:34 PM
Since there are severely disabled females desperate for sex, all we need is a mechanism for identifying them, and we can send Jock Strap round. Maybe it could be his salvation and his way of giving something back to the community?
Who would be up for shooting the content if they were to sign a release?
mOBSCENE
10-03-06, 07:42 PM
There could be a whole new niche in this:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,1805470,00.html
Has Strictly Broadband got this video?
i don't think you could ever get that made into law
I'm sure seriously disabled people can save a few pennies to get a escort round once in a while if they really wanted!
1: If they're in care homes their disability benefits are paid to the home for the care. They get 10 quid a week to spend on themselves. Plus the fact that the open-minded homes are few and far between with waiting lists for places.
2: That involves breaking the law to have sex. Which is why I mentioned they save to go to amsterdam and do it. Because then they're not breaking any laws.
How many of you object to viagra being given out on the nhs for men suffering from impotence? What about surgery for those that are impotent through some physical means that prevents erections?
What (in your opinion) is the difference between helping an impotent man to have sex with viagra/surgery, and helping a severely disabled man to have sex through other means?
mOBSCENE
10-03-06, 07:55 PM
2: That involves breaking the law to have sex. Which is why I mentioned they save to go to amsterdam and do it. Because then they're not breaking any laws.
Why do people keep insisting that prostitution is illegal? There is nothing remotely illegal about escorts and their services. There is no law that prohibits one person from paying another person for sexual services. See:
http://www.sfc.org.uk/sexlaws.html
Also an interesting note on the disabled and consent...
The reason escorts use the "monies paid are for time and companionship only" disclaimer on their sites is so they aren't saying "it's £250 for a shag", which could be construed as soliciting, which is illegal.
Outcall prostitution is competely legal, as is incall prostitution so long as there is only one woman, otherwise it becomes a brothel, which is illegal - and where the confusion arises that makes people think prostitution is illegal.
1: If they're in care homes their disability benefits are paid to the home for the care. They get 10 quid a week to spend on themselves. Plus the fact that the open-minded homes are few and far between with waiting lists for places.
2: That involves breaking the law to have sex. Which is why I mentioned they save to go to amsterdam and do it. Because then they're not breaking any laws.
escorts are not illegal and if I was crippled and in a care home that wouldn't let me dial up hookers (and its probably that I would be orderring them up like pizzas) I'd change home!
Anyway I would bags sloppy seconds but Mrs SGS is standing right behind me writing on the year planner. ;)
mOBSCENE
10-03-06, 08:07 PM
How many of you object to viagra being given out on the nhs for men suffering from impotence? What about surgery for those that are impotent through some physical means that prevents erections?
What (in your opinion) is the difference between helping an impotent man to have sex with viagra/surgery, and helping a severely disabled man to have sex through other means?
I don't object at all to Viagra on the NHS, and don't see there is much difference between this and helping the severely disabled to have sex. Everyone has a right to the chance of a fulfilling sex life if they so choose, as long as they don't harm others :)
Why do people keep insisting that prostitution is illegal? There is nothing remotely illegal about escorts and their services. There is no law that prohibits one person from paying another person for sexual services. See:
http://www.sfc.org.uk/sexlaws.html
Also an interesting note on the disabled and consent...
The reason escorts use the "monies paid are for time and companionship only" disclaimer on their sites is so they aren't saying "it's £250 for a shag", which could be construed as soliciting, which is illegal.
Outcall prostitution is competely legal, as is incall prostitution so long as there is only one woman, otherwise it becomes a brothel, which is illegal - and where the confusion arises that makes people think prostitution is illegal.
You miss the "importuning" part of the law. It is illegal for men to request sex in exchange for money. The escorts get around it by the "companionship" angle. But the punter can still be done for importuning if he pays her for sexual services. I do know that prostitution itself isn't illegal, but basically all the activities surrounding it are (solicitation, importuning, etc)
escorts are not illegal and if I was crippled and in a care home that wouldn't let me dial up hookers (and its probably that I would be orderring them up like pizzas) I'd change home!
it must be nice to live in rose-tinted dreamland. A: You'd have to be independently wealthy to be able to order in pizzas, no matter escorts. 10 quid a week doesn't go very far especially with other stuff to buy with it. Your basic care and food needs are taken care of (much like being in hospital) but if you want say a coke or a beer, or some nice shampoo or deo etc that comes out of your tenner, B: You'd have to find a member of staff willing to phone-up and hire an escort for you, and the home would have to be happy for the escort to visit, and I wonder how many escorts would be willing to deal with Cerebral Palsy and the like, I bet most would think they're mentally retarded as well as severely disabled. and C: Changing home isn't that easy. The really decent ones have waiting lists because everyone as you say you would, wants to move into them. And that's the one's that are in homes. How many parents would be happy to have escorts arriving on their doorstep to service their son?
mOBSCENE
10-04-06, 12:02 PM
You miss the "importuning" part of the law. It is illegal for men to request sex in exchange for money. The escorts get around it by the "companionship" angle. But the punter can still be done for importuning if he pays her for sexual services. I do know that prostitution itself isn't illegal, but basically all the activities surrounding it are (solicitation, importuning, etc)
Still, there's law and law, and most UK laws are pretty stupid and many not really enforced - some of them go back to 1750 for God's sake! It's an offence for prostitutes to sit together, but that would mean it's illegal to have a support group or gum clinic with more than one girl there at a time.
Greater Manchester Police have a transparent 100% tolerance policy for massage parlours which are effectively brothels - as long as there are no underage girls, drugs, or trafficked women, they leave them alone. Street prostitution is another matter altogether - understandable, as it's not really ideal for the residents, the girls or the punters... And certainly wouldn't be for these disabled chaps.
Still, there's law and law, and most UK laws are pretty stupid and many not really enforced - some of them go back to 1750 for God's sake! It's an offence for prostitutes to sit together, but that would mean it's illegal to have a support group or gum clinic with more than one girl there at a time.
Greater Manchester Police have a transparent 100% tolerance policy for massage parlours which are effectively brothels - as long as there are no underage girls, drugs, or trafficked women, they leave them alone. Street prostitution is another matter altogether - understandable, as it's not really ideal for the residents, the girls or the punters... And certainly wouldn't be for these disabled chaps.
Haha then they'd have to think about providing disabled parking bays, but that might wind up Smithsmedia :angel:
it must be nice to live in rose-tinted dreamland. A: You'd have to be independently wealthy to be able to order in pizzas, no matter escorts. 10 quid a week doesn't go very far especially with other stuff to buy with it. Your basic care and food needs are taken care of (much like being in hospital) but if you want say a coke or a beer, or some nice shampoo or deo etc that comes out of your tenner, B: You'd have to find a member of staff willing to phone-up and hire an escort for you, and the home would have to be happy for the escort to visit, and I wonder how many escorts would be willing to deal with Cerebral Palsy and the like, I bet most would think they're mentally retarded as well as severely disabled. and C: Changing home isn't that easy. The really decent ones have waiting lists because everyone as you say you would, wants to move into them. And that's the one's that are in homes. How many parents would be happy to have escorts arriving on their doorstep to service their son?
it sounds like getting a hooker is the least of their worries and you can't say that everyone of them would want an allowance for it anyways
maybe you could start a charity or something govt is never gonna help
dan
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