Looks like these fuckers came from Leeds then

[JT]

Looks like these fuckers came from Leeds then.

Home grown suicide bombers. Worrying thought

[mellenig]

Yes one of the addresses they hit is under a mile from where i have a video hire shop this person could have been a customer. It's a very scary thought the crazy fucks that are living in our midst :mad:

[JT]

Yes one of the addresses they hit is under a mile from where i have a video hire shop this person could have been a customer. It's a very scary thought the crazy fucks that are living in our midst :mad:


Maybe you even spoke to these fucks. Thats scary :mad:

[Cardinal_Sin]

The guy they have - I hope the Police bust his bollocks to get him to squeel out the names of others potential suicide bombers AND those who are recruiting them.

Which also leads me to thinking that noone can ever have a 100% record, so these recruiters must have failed at times to get young kids to join them - There must me a load of people out their who know these bastards -

[JT]

The guy they have - I hope the Police bust his bollocks to get him to squeel out the names of others potential suicide bombers AND those who are recruiting them.

Which also leads me to thinking that noone can ever have a 100% record, so these recruiters must have failed at times to get young kids to join them - There must me a load of people out their who know these bastards -

Police say they know of about 3,000 potential terrorists either home grown or imported in.

But we keep letting these fuckers in the country. The ones preaching murder etc, like that hook hand bloke, still get away with it.

Nothing seems to happen

[Cardinal_Sin]

Police say they know of about 3,000 potential terrorists either home grown or imported in.

But we keep letting these fuckers in the country. The ones preaching murder etc, like that hook hand bloke, still get away with it.

Nothing seems to happen

Isn't the guy you are talking about currently on trial and also facing an extradition hearing?

Hopefully, the Government will consider new laws - I would like to see something like "All suspected of terrorist links to be deported to the land their grandparents were born"
Very vague and over generalising, but would certainly make the country a lot safer!

[JT]

Isn't the guy you are talking about currently on trial and also facing an extradition hearing?

Hopefully, the Government will consider new laws - I would like to see something like "All suspected of terrorist links to be deported to the land their grandparents were born"
Very vague and over generalising, but would certainly make the country a lot safer!

Hes currently fighting extradition. I dont believe hes on trial. Though I could be wrong.

But what happened the the treason law over here. Ive heard him say on Talk Sport "I wont be happy untill the muslim flag hangs over the house of parliment" and that he wants the UK to be an Islamic nation. Surely we need to start doing something about these fucks.

This country is a soft touch, these fuckers are over here living on benefit and killing our citizens

[mellenig]

Police say they know of about 3,000 potential terrorists either home grown or imported in.

But we keep letting these fuckers in the country. The ones preaching murder etc, like that hook hand bloke, still get away with it.

Nothing seems to happen

Probally how they got onto them so quickly, they will have a good idea who has done it.

[JT]

Probally how they got onto them so quickly, they will have a good idea who has done it.

Strangly enough I dont think it was, I was hearing in the background this morning, that they found credit cards etc on the bombers. I could be wrong though, so dont quote me on that

[ukwebmasters]

well they're young male muzzies living in middle england, no surprises there then.

[Rosie]

Hopefully, the Government will consider new laws - I would like to see something like "All suspected of terrorist links to be deported to the land their grandparents were born"
Very vague and over generalising, but would certainly make the country a lot safer!

Fuck me - I hope not. I often speak out against the current government, sometimes quite vociferously. Guess they'll deport me to Ireland then :takethat:

In all seriousness though - it's been reported on the beeb that one of the suspects being held is just nineteen years old - in my book that makes him little more than a kid. What's happening in our society where young people can have their hearts so twisted by hatred? I for one am incredibly angry about the Afghan and Iraq invasions - but to vent that by killing other innocent people.....

If there is a God/Allah/Jehovah then I suspect he's just washed his hands of us.

[NumptyNuts]

I back our government 110% - theres no way these people will get away with it.

We should start up national service stick all the youth who dont work through it and station them around the UK. We are going to end up with a civil war here as pressure builds with acts of terror like this and with 'possitive discrimination'.

Hopefully we will stand up and be strong as country, side by side, shoulder to shoulder

[mellenig]

Strangly enough I dont think it was, I was hearing in the background this morning, that they found credit cards etc on the bombers. I could be wrong though, so dont quote me on that

Yes you are right just reading the news they identified them via credit cards etc.

[-HF]

The guy they have - I hope the Police bust his bollocks to get him to squeel out the names of others potential suicide bombers AND those who are recruiting them.


if they are organized they are most likely split into small cells, where no cell has a clue who the others are. to prevent exactly that.

[-HF]

In all seriousness though - it's been reported on the beeb that one of the suspects being held is just nineteen years old - in my book that makes him little more than a kid. What's happening in our society where young people can have their hearts so twisted by hatred?

it's rather easy to twist an idealistic teenager's mind. just look at students, the number of (far) leftists amongst them is scary, once they leave school/uni and are faced with real life, they usually shift their views on everyone being equal and having the same and whatever else Marxism preaches. ok, i may exaggerate a tad here.

look at Germany's problems with right extremists - they are hardly ever older than early 20s.

[daveydude]

Everyone acts so surprised about all this but hardly ever talks about why these fuckers exist in the first place. It was funny hearing Tony Blair the other day condemning the terrorists for a list of crimes that he himself has also committed in our name. The hypocrisy was staggering, yet very few people seem to question it. No wonder these people hate us.

[daveydude]

Hopefully, the Government will consider new laws - I would like to see something like "All suspected of terrorist links to be deported to the land their grandparents were born"
Very vague and over generalising, but would certainly make the country a lot safer!

So tell me what the criteria are for being a "suspected" terrorist, who decides on that & who enforces it? You want a safer country? So, while we're at it, let's deport anyone who looks a bit funny, or has taken drugs, or has a criminal record, or is involved in disgusting immoral pornography. You let a government have power like that and you're fucked. Sure you'd have a nice safe sanitised society as long as you don't say the wrong thing or talk to the wrong people. No fucking thanks, I'd rather take an intelligent approach to defeating terrorism and enjoy some *actual* freedom instead. If someone who disagrees with me can't enjoy the same freedom as me, it's not real freedom.

[Shandy McAndy]

Everyone acts so surprised about all this but hardly ever talks about why these fuckers exist in the first place. It was funny hearing Tony Blair the other day condemning the terrorists for a list of crimes that he himself has also committed in our name. The hypocrisy was staggering, yet very few people seem to question it. No wonder these people hate us.


They would hate us anyway. They dont exist because of anything we have done. Like it or not these are facts. They are extremists who hate us.

Whether you agree with the invasion of Iraq or not, it would not make one bit of difference, these people couldnt give a fuck about Iraq, not a shit. These recruiting cells were put in place well over 10 years ago.

[-HF]

these people couldnt give a fuck about Iraq, not a shit. These recruiting cells were put in place well over 10 years ago.

which sorta happens to coincide with what is called the 1st Gulf War... which was never really ended but kept going on until what we call the 2nd Gulf War, with basically daily bombings of suspicious iraqi bases and planes.

[fredicus]

I reckon it was because they were denied flat caps, and their mothers kept using their yorkies for curries!

:takethat:

.

[Tim]

Ive heard him say on Talk Sport

Thank God for Talk Sport - the non sport shows are probably the most real yardstick we have for genuine public opinion.

[daveydude]

They would hate us anyway. They dont exist because of anything we have done. Like it or not these are facts. They are extremists who hate us.

Whether you agree with the invasion of Iraq or not, it would not make one bit of difference, these people couldnt give a fuck about Iraq, not a shit. These recruiting cells were put in place well over 10 years ago.

I'm not citing Iraq as an excuse for the bombings - we don't even know who did it, let alone what their motivations were. I was just saying that Blair is guilty of much the same crimes the bombers are.

Things don't happen for no reason. If the bombings were carried out by religious extremists, why did they feel it necessary to go to such lengths, and why have we not seen this before? You can obviously not forgive actions such as these, but I think it's more productive in the long run to seek to understand why they happen than it is to stir things up even more with draconian laws & violent repression.

[REBEL]

I'm not citing Iraq as an excuse for the bombings - we don't even know who did it, let alone what their motivations were. I was just saying that Blair is guilty of much the same crimes the bombers are.

Things don't happen for no reason. If the bombings were carried out by religious extremists, why did they feel it necessary to go to such lengths, and why have we not seen this before? You can obviously not forgive actions such as these, but I think it's more productive in the long run to seek to understand why they happen than it is to stir things up even more with draconian laws & violent repression.

Amen..

There is NO excuse.. but there is A reason. Injustice, opression and hypocricy all feed the fires. And reactionary measures are not the solution. Why is everyone in uproar about what happened in London when Bush & Blair's "Shock and Awe" was even worse which ever way you look at it. Why is it OK for our armies to go in and try to attack and destroy their way of life because we don't agree with it, but their small scale attacks are deplorable? But because we have the bigger guns and can do more damage and wrap it up in "defending our way of life" it's supposedly ok.. The so called "terrorists" are doing EXACTLY the same thing. But don't have the same resources to go to all out war. When you're a david going against a goliath you have to make do with the weapons you have, and fight the fight you can fight.

[Cardinal_Sin]

So tell me what the criteria are for being a "suspected" terrorist, who decides on that & who enforces it? You want a safer country? So, while we're at it, let's deport anyone who looks a bit funny, or has taken drugs, or has a criminal record, or is involved in disgusting immoral pornography. You let a government have power like that and you're fucked. Sure you'd have a nice safe sanitised society as long as you don't say the wrong thing or talk to the wrong people. No fucking thanks, I'd rather take an intelligent approach to defeating terrorism and enjoy some *actual* freedom instead. If someone who disagrees with me can't enjoy the same freedom as me, it's not real
freedom.

Police already know of over 3000 Asian youths who have most probably attended training camps abroad - To my mind, they would fall under the term "suspected terrorists"

Drug takers? Pornographers? Criminals - Take your "intelligent approach" and tell me where that was written.

[daveydude]

Police already know of over 3000 Asian youths who have most probably attended training camps abroad - To my mind, they would fall under the term "suspected terrorists"

Drug takers? Pornographers? Criminals - Take your "intelligent approach" and tell me where that was written.

You wanted a "safer country". From a certain point of view all those I've listed are a threat to that. What I'm saying is, why stop at terrorists when there are hundreds of other "threats" to a nice comfortable life?

As for the "3000 Asian youths", I agree there are obviously grounds to investigate people with obvious direct links to terrorism, but there are already laws in place to do that. So clamouring for people to be deported on little evidence is just being needlessly reactionary & hysterical. You are doing exactly what the terrorists want - rising to their bait and further stirring the fire.

Anyway, you'd save more lives by deporting anyone who's ever been convicted of speeding in a car, or is considered likely to speed.

[JT]

Anyway, you'd save more lives by deporting anyone who's ever been convicted of speeding in a car, or is considered likely to speed.

No you take precautions. We put and cameras for those who go to fast in their cars in an effort to slow them down. So maybe we should deport people who have been to training camps to learn to murder us more efficiently and want to strap bombs to themselves and blow up innocent people?

[Cardinal_Sin]

You wanted a "safer country". From a certain point of view all those I've listed are a threat to that. What I'm saying is, why stop at terrorists when there are hundreds of other "threats" to a nice comfortable life?

As for the "3000 Asian youths", I agree there are obviously grounds to investigate people with obvious direct links to terrorism, but there are already laws in place to do that. So clamouring for people to be deported on little evidence is just being needlessly reactionary & hysterical. You are doing exactly what the terrorists want - rising to their bait and further stirring the fire.

Anyway, you'd save more lives by deporting anyone who's ever been convicted of speeding in a car, or is considered likely to speed.

Me hysterical? - I haven't lived in the uk for almost 15 years. I live on my estate only wondering if anybody was ever stupid enough to try and break in and would end up as dog meat.
I lived in the uk when we had the ira problem - Know of a couple of mates who suffered because of that -

But lets get to the bottom of your argument - Iraq and Afghanistan are not the cause of any terrorsts present views -
Oman - Remember a usa boat being blown out the water by Bin Ladens crew, killing many innocent people?
Remember South Africa where an Embassy was shattered by the same crew?
Why? Because we are there?
Jezus, man, We have had indiand, Pakistanis and all sorts of other Asians occupying ever corner in the uk for over 50 years (In the form of corner shops) Do we go and bomb them?
As for Afghanistan - 10% ruled the country administering strict fear - The same as Iraq - Both regemes murdered thousands of innocents -
This should have been put right much sooner by us -
You have your vies about that - I do not have to subscribe to them or respect them - If you do not support your own country, what the fuck are you doing there?
North Korea is looking for more people like you - If you don't mind starving, go there - You certainly do not deserve the fantastic opportunities England gives you.

[drunken]

quicker they catch these fucks the better imho

no more innocent people need blowing up :(:(:(

[Shandy McAndy]

For those who think these people only want to kill us because we helped invade Iraq. Please explain why they bomded their own children yesterday.

You are very much mistaken if you these they hate us as a reaction to anything. The would hate us anyway. People who believe straping a bombs to themselves and murdering children will get them to heaven quicker. Wont be having the same logical thoughts as you

[daveydude]

But lets get to the bottom of your argument - Iraq and Afghanistan are not the cause of any terrorsts present views -
Oman - Remember a usa boat being blown out the water by Bin Ladens crew, killing many innocent people?
Remember South Africa where an Embassy was shattered by the same crew?
Why? Because we are there?
Jezus, man, We have had indiand, Pakistanis and all sorts of other Asians occupying ever corner in the uk for over 50 years (In the form of corner shops) Do we go and bomb them?
As for Afghanistan - 10% ruled the country administering strict fear - The same as Iraq - Both regemes murdered thousands of innocents -
This should have been put right much sooner by us -
You have your vies about that - I do not have to subscribe to them or respect them - If you do not support your own country, what the fuck are you doing there?
North Korea is looking for more people like you - If you don't mind starving, go there - You certainly do not deserve the fantastic opportunities England gives you.

If you like I can give you a rather long list of reasons why middle eastern / asian / arab people might hate us. The coin has 2 sides. All you're doing is looking at the symptoms of the disease without thinking what the causes might be. And frankly your "in the form of cornershops" comment is massively naieve, condescending, and bordering on racist. Your crassness hides an important point though - if "they" have been here for 50 years and some of them are so mindlessly evil as you seem to suggest (they kill us because "we are there"), why didn't we get bombed before now? What has changed?

[daveydude]

For those who think these people only want to kill us because we helped invade Iraq. Please explain why they bomded their own children yesterday.

You are very much mistaken if you these they hate us as a reaction to anything. The would hate us anyway. People who believe straping a bombs to themselves and murdering children will get them to heaven quicker. Wont be having the same logical thoughts as you

I actually think Iraq is just a small part of a much bigger tapestry of twisted justification those guys from Leeds might have used if they hadn't been blown to bits last Thursday.

Remember, nobody is born a suicide bomber - they have to get from A (average joe) to B (fanatical nutjob willing to sacrifice themselves to murder innocents) somehow. I would love to know what teachings that A to B process involves, what are these guys being told? How much of it is actually true, and how much is not? By anyone's logic, you don't just blow yourself up for a laugh.

[Alf Garnet]

I think we need more understanding. I think we need more of them. Again lets start importing them in straight from the training camps. My guess if we bring enough we could get discounts on charterd planes.

I mean we have been fighting them since the days of the crusades, but hey if again you political correct lefties want more of them to murder us. Im all for it.

You can never have enough inocent children being murdered right? Just as long as we can all sit down with a cup of tea and listen to their problems

[Cardinal_Sin]

If you like I can give you a rather long list of reasons why middle eastern / asian / arab people might hate us. The coin has 2 sides. All you're doing is looking at the symptoms of the disease without thinking what the causes might be. And frankly your "in the form of cornershops" comment is massively naieve, condescending, and bordering on racist. Your crassness hides an important point though - if "they" have been here for 50 years and some of them are so mindlessly evil as you seem to suggest (they kill us because "we are there"), why didn't we get bombed before now? What has changed?


You are full of self-indulgent shit -

[-HF]

For those who think these people only want to kill us because we helped invade Iraq. Please explain why they bomded their own children yesterday.

You are very much mistaken if you these they hate us as a reaction to anything. The would hate us anyway. People who believe straping a bombs to themselves and murdering children will get them to heaven quicker. Wont be having the same logical thoughts as you


you are obviously referring to my post showing up the whole in your argument. please highlight where i said anything about only because of Iraq. cheers.

after that, please show proof for your generalizing they would hate us anyway.

[Shandy McAndy]

you are obviously referring to my post showing up the whole in your argument. please highlight where i said anything about only because of Iraq. cheers.

after that, please show proof for your generalizing they would hate us anyway.

It wasnt directed at you. It was directed at anyone who thinks that the UK foreign policy has anything to do with these attacks.

The proof you ask for http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4678207.stm#startcontent

I dont believe those 26 children had a foriegn policy

These extremists are fighting a Jihad. On some fucked up translation of their religion. Using quotes from the Koran likese these to Justify their actions

"9.29: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection. "

And again:

"9.73: O Prophet! strive hard [make war] against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination."

Further proof you require will come on the following months when they start bombing countries like France (which the french know is comming)

They are against the west. Period. Nothing we do will stop them. A sad fact. But true

[strictlybroadband]

Isn't the guy you are talking about currently on trial and also facing an extradition hearing?

Hopefully, the Government will consider new laws - I would like to see something like "All suspected of terrorist links to be deported to the land their grandparents were born"
Very vague and over generalising, but would certainly make the country a lot safer!

Yeah right! It sounds a bit like the reasons Nazis gave for shipping us Jews East. And what a safe place Germany became...

[ukwebmasters]

I think that if extreme racist measures were taken a la cardinal_sin's post, it would serve only to create worrying divisions in the uk within the white caucasian core ethnic group.

you see in the uk, alot of white caucasian political and potentially militant groups that hate bush/blair/berlusconi, the NF and the BNP et al for what has happened in iraq and the generally global persecution of muslims, might well become bombers themselves at some time in the future, fighting for a cause they believe in. not necessarily suicide bombers, but damage-causing individuals. so we'd have white british terrorists sympathetic to the muslim/islamic cause.

think about that for one minute. white caucasians filling mosques and becoming a new terror group.

there really is no solution. so long as people of whatever ethnic/political/religious denomination have opinions which they will express and act upon in many different ways, there will always be an extremist faction in the mix somewhere.

we have extreme music (shit eating-eating gg allin), extreme porn, extreme everything :: so when we have to endure political and religious extremism in our face once in a while we really shouldn't be too surprised. it's just a cycle beyond argument really.

[-HF]

It wasnt directed at you. It was directed at anyone who thinks that the UK foreign policy has anything to do with these attacks.

are you seriously saying the foreign policy has nothing to do with it?

The proof you ask for http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4678207.stm#startcontent

that only proves there are extremist shitheads out there. nothing new and definitely nothing that counts for muslims only.

These extremists are fighting a Jihad. On some fucked up translation of their religion.

are you saying people are born like hat? or suddenly wake up one day and decide to dislike those who oppose them strong enough to wage wars at them?

Further proof you require will come on the following months when they start bombing countries like France (which the french know is comming)

again you simply ignore historical facts. France was one of those countries having colonies there and still has a firm grip on Algeria for example. and their Foreign Legion messes around enough.

their official stance about Iraq was their involvement in oil biz there through the ELF oil company. who would want that nice biz fucked up?

They are against the west. Period. Nothing we do will stop them. A sad fact. But true

if it was a fact, you could show backup, which you haven't. you make a generalising comment, nothing more.

[Elisha Jade]

I guess im the only one here who thinks it was a staged attack same as 9/11 then :)

[daveydude]

LOL Elisha - nice one. I've got my mind open as always and have heard a lot of evidence about 9/11 which has convinced me at the very least that there is a lot the US government is not admitting to. As for London, I've not seen anything dodgy about it yet.

[daveydude]

You are full of self-indulgent shit -

Way to answer my points! I win.

[Elisha Jade]

Well...

all 3 (or 4 io cant remember which) cameras in the bus were switched off

a consultancy company and london underground were running a drill at exactly the same stations, at exactly the same time of the exact same scenario (minus the bus)

there were certain tube stations closed and heavy police presence at 7:45am in the morning (ages before the first bomb went off)

Some israeli government guy was sposed to be in a meeting just near where the bus exploded but he was tipped off not to leave the house.

One theory is that these guys from leeds were asked to take part in a drill, carrying fake bombs onto tubes - maybe they were set to go off 2 minutes before the bombers got off the tubes so they would have been killed along with them. The 4th bomber went to get onto the northern line, decided to get on the bus instead, heard about all the tube stations being closed off and there being a real terror threat and bombs etc then started fiddling in his rucksack cos he realised he had been set up and was carrying a real bomb. kaboom the bomb goes off.

Thats just a conspiracy theory of course ;)

[daveydude]

Interesting. Where's that info coming from?

[Elisha Jade]

Um different sources.. some news sites, some pakistan sites, some forums etc - of course not all the information is necessarily true..

I googled "7/7 attacks" in google and up popped stacks of stuff :)

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/london.terror.games.wmv was particularly interesting.

[JT]

Well...

all 3 (or 4 io cant remember which) cameras in the bus were switched off

a consultancy company and london underground were running a drill at exactly the same stations, at exactly the same time of the exact same scenario (minus the bus)

there were certain tube stations closed and heavy police presence at 7:45am in the morning (ages before the first bomb went off)

Some israeli government guy was sposed to be in a meeting just near where the bus exploded but he was tipped off not to leave the house.

One theory is that these guys from leeds were asked to take part in a drill, carrying fake bombs onto tubes - maybe they were set to go off 2 minutes before the bombers got off the tubes so they would have been killed along with them. The 4th bomber went to get onto the northern line, decided to get on the bus instead, heard about all the tube stations being closed off and there being a real terror threat and bombs etc then started fiddling in his rucksack cos he realised he had been set up and was carrying a real bomb. kaboom the bomb goes off.

Thats just a conspiracy theory of course ;)

sounds a bit thin to me.

1. Cameras switched off? Who has confirmed this? Just the internt I presume? Certainly not the police, unless 100's of police officers and transport workers are in on the conspiricy

2. So what? These drills I expect are run daily. But again who has confirmed this? Any police or underground workers? I havnt seen that

3. What tube stations where closed? I didnt or havnt heard this apart from here. I know people who work in London, including my partner who was there that day. No one knows of these station that were closed including the 100's of people who travel by tube at that time in the morning. Not one comuter, policeman or transport worker has said a station was closed. Not one.

4. What israeli government guy? Who is this guy that no UK politition knows, no israeli government guy knows, no policeman knows, infact know one in the world knows, apart from the internet?

5. This is the best bit. these guys never told their friends they had this job? Never told there family they had this job? No one in the govenment knows they had this job? no one in the police or any law inforcment sevices know about these jobs? Infact no one anywhere in the world knows they had this job?

But instead of these murderers killing people, they where just on an excersise that no one in the world knew about?

A little bit thin, even for the conspiracy people this time?

[JT]

Interesting. Where's that info coming from?

The internet. so it must be true :drink:

[ukwebmasters]

when they bomb rome think of ickle me :( lmfao

:onguard:

[Elisha Jade]

1. Cameras switched off? Who has confirmed this? Just the internt I presume? Certainly not the police, unless 100's of police officers and transport workers are in on the conspiricy

From the mirror (prolly not a great source lol):

But the investigation received a serious setback when it was discovered the CCTV cameras on the bus that blew up were not working so detectives will not get vital images of the bomber.

One senior Yard source said: "It's a big blow and a disappointment. If the cameras had been running we would have had pin-sharp close-up pictures of the person who carried out this atrocity.

"We don't know if the driver forgot to switch them on or if there was a technical problem but there are no images."

The bus had four cameras - one covering people getting on, the second at the exit doors and one on each deck scanning the length of the vehicle.

2. So what? These drills I expect are run daily. But again who has confirmed this? Any police or underground workers? I havnt seen that

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2005/cover070905a.htm

Its not just that there was a drill but it was at the same tube stations of the same scenario. And the interview was on BBC radio 5 not some dodgy propaganda website.

4. What israeli government guy? Who is this guy that no UK politition knows, no israeli government guy knows, no policeman knows, infact know one in the world knows, apart from the internet?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050707/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_britain_explosions_1 - i think yahoo is a pretty good source as well.

5. This is the best bit. these guys never told their friends they had this job? Never told there family they had this job? No one in the govenment knows they had this job? no one in the police or any law inforcment sevices know about these jobs? Infact no one anywhere in the world knows they had this job?

How do you know no one knew?

So I'm not the kinda person to believe things i read on unnamed websites and places that dont hold any backup :)

[JT]

But the investigation received a serious setback when it was discovered the CCTV cameras on the bus that blew up were not working so detectives will not get vital images of the bomber.

One senior Yard source said: "It's a big blow and a disappointment. If the cameras had been running we would have had pin-sharp close-up pictures of the person who carried out this atrocity.

"We don't know if the driver forgot to switch them on or if there was a technical problem but there are no images."


maybe the bomb stopped them working? Maybe they didnt work like anything else on London transport.

Who is the "One senior Yard source" who doesnt have a name?

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2005/cover070905a.htm
Its not just that there was a drill but it was at the same tube stations of the same scenario. And the interview was on BBC radio 5 not some dodgy propaganda website.


canadafreepress is a bullshit anti American and capatalist site. The name makes it sound like a real site. But its just a conspiricy site. Buet either way I was watching the BBC coverage all day and that wasnt mentioned once. Maybe the BBC forgot to mention it on all their other stations?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050707...in_explosions_1 - i think yahoo is a pretty good source as well.

So what? Are you suggesting that the UK goverment sent out bombers and thought we would tip of israeli officials, but not UK officials and US officials, infact no one apart from the israeli's?

How do you know no one knew?

I dont, please post links to where their family, friends or infact anyone said that these people were getting paid and worked for the UK security forces. I cant seem to find any links to that

[Elisha Jade]

There wouldnt be would there!! Think about it.. its the same as 9/11 WHO BENEFITS from it? Bush and Daddy bush benefited from 9/11 - They own oil companies - hence iraq and oil.. they also hold shares in the major defense companies that won the contracts to supply the weapons for the war on terror.

With this attack.. it took complete emphasis off G8 ... and it wouldnt surprise me if in the next 6 months, Iran is invaded.. for their oil. The media companies are owned by mainly the same people who are influenced into what they write.

[JT]

There wouldnt be would there!! Think about it.. its the same as 9/11 WHO BENEFITS from it? Bush and Daddy bush benefited from 9/11 - They own oil companies - hence iraq and oil.. they also hold shares in the major defense companies that won the contracts to supply the weapons for the war on terror.

With this attack.. it took complete emphasis off G8 ... and it wouldnt surprise me if in the next 6 months, Iran is invaded.. for their oil. The media companies are owned by mainly the same people who are influenced into what they write.

So was it Bush or Blair who sent in suicide bombers?

[Elisha Jade]

Actually i dont think it was blair. I dont know who it was. but im not convinced it was just an attack. I dont know what to think :) but its nice to have more facts so we can think about it a little :)

[JT]

Actually i dont think it was blair. I dont know who it was. but im not convinced it was just an attack. I dont know what to think :) but its nice to have more facts so we can think about it a little :)

OK dont get me wrong.

I hate Bush, infact the only time I ever plan to visit the US is when Bush dies so I can dance on his grave.

But I think it may be a little far fetched to think he bomed the london underground to gain support for a war in Iran. Does no one think that maybe if that got out, that he may be a little unpopular over here and in the US?

To keep up a conspiricy like this would take quite a few people working on it and keeping there mouth shut.

Ive yet to meet one American who can keep their mouth shut about anything, let alone 100's who can keep their mouth shut about the US president murdering UK citizens

[daveydude]

I have some really good DVDs on 9/11 conspiracy. Not ranting & raving, but seemingly solid research with lots of substantiating evidence. If anyone wants a copy, gimme a shout.

[Elisha Jade]

SHOOOUUUT ;) heheh its not farenheight 9/11 is it?

Xx

Ooh that reminds me i need to pm you :)

[-HF]

so suicide bombers buy return tickets now?

Why did they buy return train tickets to Luton? Why did they buy pay & display tickets for cars? Why were there no usual shouts of 'Allah Akhbar'? Why were bombs in bags and not on their bodies?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=15742951%26method=full%26siteid=94762% 26headline=was%2dit%2dsuicide%2d%2d-name_page.html

now the source may not be top quality, if the story is correct though, it would back up a thought we had the other day already. obviously all 4 guys have been described as religious but moderate, mostly dressing in a 'normal' fashion, not hateful towards western lifestyle. heck, i read a report that one of them even had a liking for crap like WWF wrestling, which IMO is a symbol for the fake US lifestyle.

now why would it be impossible that these 4 guys have been had properly. seeing they were religious, they most likely would want to spread the word, like the christians do. if a religious leader gave them a job, to take these bags full of Quran editions, go forth and introduce our faith at [insert possible place] - would they have asked much? or would they have been happy to do so? like christians, or worse, like JWs, who definitely are extreme in their beliefs but don't seem to pose much of a threat.
in worst case these 4 guys had no idea what would happen to them and many others. they may have died in good faith.

[Elisha Jade]

Or were recruited to take part in the "drill" and were told they were fake bomb rucksacks :)

[ukwebmasters]

http://cryptome.org/visor-bomb.htm

[REBEL]

So was it Bush or Blair who sent in suicide bombers?

The Israelis.. either off their own bat.. on behalf of one or both of them.

So what? Are you suggesting that the UK goverment sent out bombers and thought we would tip of israeli officials, but not UK officials and US officials, infact no one apart from the israeli's?

Maybe most of the UK/US officials were already out of the way up in Scotland for G8? And no one else was going to be in the danger zones to need warning?

This is the best bit. these guys never told their friends they had this job? Never told there family they had this job? No one in the govenment knows they had this job? no one in the police or any law inforcment sevices know about these jobs? Infact no one anywhere in the world knows they had this job?

You really don't under stand the security service? You'll be telling me next the Gov doesn't send it's security personel/SAS on "Government Will Deny Knowledge" missions? That's the whole point of security missions. Only those that need to know will know. And no they don't tell their friends and family about it.

Hell even the Big Brother contestants don't tell their friends and families they're going into the house - and that's only for poxy TV. It's not hard to get people to keep secrets - especially if you're dangling James Bond type scenarios over their heads and feeding their "Spy" fantasies

That said my dad did tell my mum when he was sent on "Government Will Deny Knowledge" - if he'd been caught he'd quite possibly be labled "terrorist" cos of course we would deny knowledge that we'd sent him.

It's not a far stretch to imagine scenarios like the bombers could have been sent on a deny knowledge mission when you know such things go on. And yes any Gov could have sent them not just ours. But you have to be open to ALL the possibilities. Not just the comfortable ones.

[Cardinal_Sin]

Way to answer my points! I win.

Yes - You win a free burial at sea with any terrorist of your choosing -

[Shandy McAndy]

so just to recap what it, the UK governments fault for invading Iraq and turning good honest people against us or was it the uk killing its own people to gain support for invading iraq. Im lost. But I think we all agree it wasnt the terrorists fault :)