how much does it cost for a good site?

[dvtimes]

How much would you say to set up a good members site?

Such as content, servers, staff promotion and so on.

[alan]

Having recently set one up I'm in a good position to answer that.

$1900 - Design (incl main site/affiliate site/banners/buttonsFPAs HPAs/Galleries/Blog/)

£200 - Scripts for affiliate site incl installation

$200 approx - Scripts for main site (Live Support/Chatroom/Messageboard)

$199 - Monthly Server

£100 - Webcam

Content? - PRICELESS!

oh and an unquantifiable amount of time

[dvtimes]

Having recently set one up I'm in a good position to answer that.

$1900 - Design (incl main site/affiliate site/banners/buttonsFPAs HPAs/Galleries/Blog/)

£200 - Scripts for affiliate site incl installation

$200 approx - Scripts for main site (Live Support/Chatroom/Messageboard)

$199 - Monthly Server

£100 - Webcam

Content? - PRICELESS!

oh and an unquantifiable amount of time

How much content do you need (in gb)?

[alan]

at the moment we have 7 gig of video and about a gig of images but we only recently opened and update daily with either pics or video so it's growing fast.

[Paul Markham]

We kicked off with 300 video and 1200 sets and added 1 of each every day.

Now moved that up to 3 of each added every day.

I would say non exclusive you're looking at $25,000 to $30,000.

Exclusive it would depend on the niche. Hardcore BG or Les 100 scenes would do it nicely so $200,000. Solo you are looking at 300 scenes sets and videos, so $120,000 to $150,000. Anything exclusive has to be shot well with good girls and in an original or at least different theme. No one signs up because it's exclusive, they sign up because it's a good site that gets their dick hard.

Had a couple of discussions with guys in Amsterdam. They want to put up sites with me doing all the shooting and bearing the costs and them doing the sites and traffic. They want it exclusive, I told them all the shoot costs will come out before we do any splitting the profits.

Small sites with 30 to 100 scenes poorly shot with an average girl are ten a penny today and failing every day.

I have a scheme if you have the traffic, hit me up on ICQ.

[Geezer]

We kicked off with 300 video and 1200 sets and added 1 of each every day.

Now moved that up to 3 of each added every day.

I would say non exclusive you're looking at $25,000 to $30,000.

Exclusive it would depend on the niche. Hardcore BG or Les 100 scenes would do it nicely so $200,000. Solo you are looking at 300 scenes sets and videos, so $120,000 to $150,000. Anything exclusive has to be shot well with good girls and in an original or at least different theme. No one signs up because it's exclusive, they sign up because it's a good site that gets their dick hard.

Had a couple of discussions with guys in Amsterdam. They want to put up sites with me doing all the shooting and bearing the costs and them doing the sites and traffic. They want it exclusive, I told them all the shoot costs will come out before we do any splitting the profits.

Small sites with 30 to 100 scenes poorly shot with an average girl are ten a penny today and failing every day.

I have a scheme if you have the traffic, hit me up on ICQ.


This site was made for you cos you do talk an incredible load of bollocks

[Paul Markham]

This site was made for you cos you do talk an incredible load of bollocks
Of course if you know how to make one work differently you are welcome to chip in with an opinion.

DVtimes, you can spend a quarter of a million and end up with shit, you can spend $5,000 and have a site that will make a living. The bottom line is not the money you can put in but the talent, skills and hardwork.

Sites are ten a penny and the surfer is inundated with choice. Building a site that competes takes more than money.

Geezer will tell you this and show you the site he built with talent, skills and hardwork and you can see how well it does.

[xcite-tv]

We kicked off with 300 video and 1200 sets and added 1 of each every day.

Now moved that up to 3 of each added every day.

I would say non exclusive you're looking at $25,000 to $30,000.

Exclusive it would depend on the niche. Hardcore BG or Les 100 scenes would do it nicely so $200,000. Solo you are looking at 300 scenes sets and videos, so $120,000 to $150,000. Anything exclusive has to be shot well with good girls and in an original or at least different theme. No one signs up because it's exclusive, they sign up because it's a good site that gets their dick hard.

Had a couple of discussions with guys in Amsterdam. They want to put up sites with me doing all the shooting and bearing the costs and them doing the sites and traffic. They want it exclusive, I told them all the shoot costs will come out before we do any splitting the profits.

Small sites with 30 to 100 scenes poorly shot with an average girl are ten a penny today and failing every day.

I have a scheme if you have the traffic, hit me up on ICQ.


Roughly translated as ....."Its too expensive dont bother, I am here now and i am pulling the ladder up"

[Paul Markham]

Roughly translated as ....."Its too expensive dont bother, I am here now and i am pulling the ladder up"
You think $25,000 is expensive to start a business?

A business that if you know what you're doing, have the skills and talent to my level (so not much) you can recoup the $25,00 in under 6 months.

Well maybe it's too expensive for you, but for proper business people it's very affordable. Maybe you would like to tell us what businesses can be started for under $25,000.

And still legal.

[xcite-tv]

You think $25,000 is expensive to start a business?

A business that if you know what you're doing, have the skills and talent to my level (so not much) you can recoup the $25,00 in under 6 months.

Well maybe it's too expensive for you, but for proper business people it's very affordable. Maybe you would like to tell us what businesses can be started for under $25,000.

And still legal.

oh sorry ...I forgot you were a "proper businessman"

Just so you stop making assumptions I was involved at the top as finance director when a car company started a £27 million operation in London
and was in charge of writing the five year business plan and implementing it


NOW THATS PROPER BUSINESS !!!

[Paul Markham]

oh sorry ...I forgot you were a "proper businessman"

Just so you stop making assumptions I was involved at the top as finance director when a car company started a £27 million operation in London
and was in charge of writing the five year business plan and implementing it


NOW THATS PROPER BUSINESS !!!
Then why do you think I'm pitching the price expensive?

Are you just trying to have a go at me, wanting to sound stupid or posting for the sake of it?

So Einstein tell us what it would take to start a paysite, give some reasons or examples and show us what you have done to arrive at this conclusion.

You could of course just wait for the model in 100 to turn up, buy yourself a camera and lights and start shooting. Cost $5,000 tops for a cheap camera and lights, model will work for nothing in the hope it makes money down the line, design you do for yourself, hosting, programming etc depends on what you want. Change out of $10,000.

Chances it will make it, low to none.

Now if you think I'm wrong list all the sites that made it last year spending under $10,000.

[xcite-tv]

Then why do you think I'm pitching the price expensive?

Are you just trying to have a go at me, wanting to sound stupid or posting for the sake of it?


sounding stupid and posting for the sake of it..sounds about right for me

I only posted because i dont like your negativity towards others wanting to start out in this business... its always the same when someone posts about it...

[alan]

buy yourself a camera and lights and start shooting. Cost $5,000 tops for a cheap camera and lights.

I supposed if I'd factored in the cost for these our outlay would have gone up considerably but we had these already.

[Paul Markham]

sounding stupid and posting for the sake of it..sounds about right for me

I only posted because i dont like your negativity towards others wanting to start out in this business... its always the same when someone posts about it...
So you would rather make it sound easy and see people lose money?

That's plain cruel.

[Paul Markham]

I supposed if I'd factored in the cost for these our outlay would have gone up considerably but we had these already.
If you are really starting from scratch it would include a computer, few home machines will be good enough.

Give Nicki my love, knew her many years ago, we went to Portugal together.

[alan]

If you are really starting from scratch it would include a computer, few home machines will be good enough.

Give Nicki my love, knew her many years ago, we went to Portugal together.

Will do, I was looking through the WMA pics yesterday and she screeched out WOW there's Paul Markham, I worked with him years ago!

[Paul Markham]

Will do, I was looking through the WMA pics yesterday and she screeched out WOW there's Paul Markham, I worked with him years ago!

http://www.bargainbasementcontent.com/content.php?modelId=459

The proof.

Got more but never got round to formatting it.

[alan]

http://www.bargainbasementcontent.com/content.php?modelId=459

The proof.

Got more but never got round to formatting it.

Paul, neither of those girls are Nicki.

But if you do have any old material of her we would be more than happy to buy them off you. Even take them raw, unedited.

[Paul Markham]

Paul, neither of those girls are Nicki.

But if you do have any old material of her we would be more than happy to buy them off you. Even take them raw, unedited.
You're right, that was Angie. Nicki and I worked together in 1993 and I'm not even sure what we did, but we did work twice so it must of been good.

It might of been video and it would be on Beta cam and probably not going to get around to digitizing it.

[JT]

Out of interest. Does anyone think they could start a pay site, with no content these days. Just plug ins.

Certainly 5 years ago loads of sites were all plugins, no content apart from that.

[Geezer]

Out of interest. Does anyone think they could start a pay site, with no content these days. Just plug ins.

Certainly 5 years ago loads of sites were all plugins, no content apart from that.

Yeah, why not

[alan]

Out of interest. Does anyone think they could start a pay site, with no content these days. Just plug ins.

Certainly 5 years ago loads of sites were all plugins, no content apart from that.

I think you could do that quite easily with webcam plugins.

[alan]

You're right, that was Angie. Nicki and I worked together in 1993 and I'm not even sure what we did, but we did work twice so it must of been good.

It might of been video and it would be on Beta cam and probably not going to get around to digitizing it.

Damn shame about that, we would love to get hold of some of her early material.

The old Ben Dover movie she did when she was about 19 sells well on our site. I had never seen it until recently when I found it at Strictly Broadband :eek:

[Paul Markham]

Out of interest. Does anyone think they could start a pay site, with no content these days. Just plug ins.

Certainly 5 years ago loads of sites were all plugins, no content apart from that.
You could start one, but would it really work?

I've looked at a lot of the plug in stuff and a lot of it is very poor.

The real money is in getting the surfer to rejoin 3 to 6 months down the line and keep him coming back every 3 to 6 months. Don't see you doing that with the plug in stuff I saw. Plus the bill will be high if it's good stuff.

Let's say you only pay $1 a gig, and most will want more, $30 a sign up, money to the processor, affiliates will be taking a large slice and what's left?

The guys logging in every day to watch a Gigs worth of content will cost you money. They cost me $0.10 :crown:

[Paul Markham]

Damn shame about that, we would love to get hold of some of her early material.

The old Ben Dover movie she did when she was about 19 sells well on our site. I had never seen it until recently when I found it at Strictly Broadband :eek:
I see we went to Lanzarote on one of the trips I used to do back then and she worked at my place in Ilford. But for the life of me I can't remember what she did.

[Johnny Kleenexxx]

can also depend how much it costs you to shoot
but really, how long is a piece of string ?
as i'm quickly learning, unexpected costs seem to crawl out of the woodwork
looking back, i should never really have produced exclusive paysites
the plan was for DVD (which is in production), but then again,
i wouldn't buy cheap content either, its a false economy imho
unless you have bucketloads of decent traffic and can convert Osama.

My only issue with Paul is that he obviously encourages new webmasters
to either buy his teen content or promote his teen paysite . . whichever way
you look at it, its pulling new webmasters into one of the toughest niches
around . . therefore Paul NEEDS many webmasters to give him a profile
in this niche . . BUT although he makes a comfortable living
toward the top of the teen content & affiliate food chain
imagine life for all the smaller noobie webmasters
among thousands promoting the same saturated niche
with the SAME promo content - life has to be tougher right ?

somehow we missed eachother this weekend Paul . . you were lucky ;-)

[gawdi]

Having recently set one up I'm in a good position to answer that.

$1900 - Design (incl main site/affiliate site/banners/buttonsFPAs HPAs/Galleries/Blog/)

£200 - Scripts for affiliate site incl installation

$200 approx - Scripts for main site (Live Support/Chatroom/Messageboard)

$199 - Monthly Server

£100 - Webcam

Content? - PRICELESS!

oh and an unquantifiable amount of time

Agree in general with these costs....

But its not just the cost of the site in start up, you need to add in marketing costs too... most people forget to factor these in.......