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Do you think that shaving is just an occupational hazard and that all sponsors will shave sooner or later?
Do you think that shaving is just an occupational hazard and that all sponsors will shave sooner or later?
Its definatly an occupational hazard, I expect many more shave than we realise, Im not sure if all would, I know and speak to most of my sposors and have a pretty good relationship with most of them. I regard them as friends, I would find it hard to believe they would steel from me.
I know and speak to most of my sposors and have a pretty good relationship with most of them. I regard them as friends, I would find it hard to believe they would steel from me.
you are definitely too trusting. i do think though that most are clever enough to hide the traces. some clearly aren't.
NumptyNuts
07-09-05, 05:41 PM
I am just having a chat with Sterling cash, this morning when I checked my stats over 32 sign ups went missing.
I checked my stats with them and they gave me the figures less the new joins. I showed what they had payed me and reworked the maths and showed themissing money.
To be frank I'm a little pissed off with them now, I held back over late payment - ie not being paid despite asking on a number of times.
I quote - 'hmm yeah - im looking thru our conversation last month as well - we calculated that ud had 22 sales & 10 rebills...' If their support team can see it and I can't I'm affraid to say this is shaving in my view.
Lets see if it gets sorted either way chances of me retaining the rights to the accoutns and any rebills are slim if any.
I am just having a chat with Sterling cash, this morning when I checked my stats over 32 sign ups went missing.
I checked my stats with them and they gave me the figures less the new joins. I showed what they had payed me and reworked the maths and showed themissing money.
To be frank I'm a little pissed off with them now, I held back over late payment - ie not being paid despite asking on a number of times.
I quote - 'hmm yeah - im looking thru our conversation last month as well - we calculated that ud had 22 sales & 10 rebills...' If their support team can see it and I can't I'm affraid to say this is shaving in my view.
Lets see if it gets sorted either way chances of me retaining the rights to the accoutns and any rebills are slim if any.
I don't now and have never promoted sterlingcash, but I thought they use CCBill?
NumptyNuts
07-09-05, 05:52 PM
I don't now and have never promoted sterlingcash, but I thought they use CCBill?
Moved over to some other system - I have told them until they give me a valid reason this will be viewed as shaving and nothing else
mellenig
07-09-05, 05:55 PM
I don't now and have never promoted sterlingcash, but I thought they use CCBill?
they use executive stats Brad Shaws program
Moved over to some other system - I have told them until they give me a valid reason this will be viewed as shaving and nothing else
I also thought they used CCBill, who did they move to?
they use executive stats Brad Shaws program
How did that effect rebills and webmaster referals? What about all the linking codes, I presume the old ones still work?
NumptyNuts
07-09-05, 05:57 PM
they use executive stats Brad Shaws program
well something sucks big time, since moving I have HAD to change all my codes manually, lost all my 2nd tier affiliates and had to request to be paid on serveral different occasions until a chq was sent.
Its an ass as the stes do convert and retain, todays set back has really made me see red and left wondering if I did not log my sales wether I would just have lost the money.
How did that effect rebills and webmaster referals? What about all the linking codes, I presume the old ones still work?
Aaron informed me they would still credit sales using the CCBill link, rebills are still coming in.
Moved over to some other system - I have told them until they give me a valid reason this will be viewed as shaving and nothing else
So these problems only started when they moved from a third party processor?
mellenig
07-09-05, 06:07 PM
How did that effect rebills and webmaster referals? What about all the linking codes, I presume the old ones still work?
Im not sure I only signed up a couple of weeks ago they looked like they had some nice single girl sites to promote. Don't think i'll bother know.
NumptyNuts
07-09-05, 06:07 PM
So these problems only started when they moved from a third party processor?
These problems started because they lost their focus - end of
http://www.inbedwithraven.com/ - I send traffic there I have sites made did all the work now they redirect to faith! Aarron said he would sort it nothing has happened - Dave tells me they will do something later when they have switched systems - Not one person told affilaites this was happening!
Aaron informed me they would still credit sales using the CCBill link, rebills are still coming in.
hmmm, as long as the old CCBill codes work then I guess thats ok, otherwise it would be a fucker to change 1000's of pages maybe.
Paul said this
since moving I have HAD to change all my codes manually
Paul dude why did you have to change your codes if the old CCBill codes still worked?
Cardinal_Sin
07-09-05, 06:28 PM
So these problems only started when they moved from a third party processor?
There aree many "benefits" from moving away from ccbill, paycomm etc to running the programme yourself via a cascading programme -
For starters, presenly all affilates who do not reach the minimum figure, the 3 party processor gets to keep that cash - (I would reckon on my programme alone, ccbill will have made an extra 100k) -
Moving to cascading and making it a minimum 100$ payout means many more webmasters will not make that, so the programme owners now have a huge extra profit - (You may rightly term this as a shave as why in the fuck should there be a minimum at all - Your trafic deserves being paid for)
All cascading programmes give the programme owner control over the join pages - So all cascade programmes are good for shaving a few joins here and there.
fhg's - I have seen some amazing scams -
And, finally, let's can that webmaster for whatever reason -
Shaving goes on? Get the fucking wool out your eyes - It goes on on a much bigger scale than you could ever imagine -
Look at it this way - You send a free or one dollar join and get bacj 35$.
That programme owner has to make a load of upsells in a very short time to get that cash back - Chances are each join will nety 1.50 in upsells.
The sure fact is that the join will not rebill - Cheap joins nearly all cancel BEFORE entering the site - So now the programme only has 2.50 from the new member -
So they spam him to death with cheap joins that the proggy owners have made deals with - Usually around 12.50 a join - He may be vey lucky and get 2 referred joins - But usually he will get only .50% join -
So at best, the programme owners have lost only 7.50, at worst, they have lost 34$
Now look at your own tours and your sign up ratios - Nor compair to those tourse built by the best and ultra highly optimized - Then look at ther traffic you have sent -
I think that most programmes actually payout one join for every 4/5 joins you actually send.
NumptyNuts
07-09-05, 06:34 PM
hmmm, as long as the old CCBill codes work then I guess thats ok, otherwise it would be a fucker to change 1000's of pages maybe.
Paul said this
Paul dude why did you have to change your codes if the old CCBill codes still worked?
The advice I was given was that due to the migration they would be come defunked. This is the second migration with sterlingcash I will go through, they have assured me that current codes will be ported.
Cardinal_Sin
07-09-05, 06:41 PM
The advice I was given was that due to the migration they would be come defunked. This is the second migration with sterlingcash I will go through, they have assured me that current codes will be ported.
They would have to set up completely unbiased tours to guarantee this - Otherwise you would go to the cascade system and the first processor of their choosing gets the sale - And as your old ccbill codes would now be unrecognizable by the new system, chances are you lost a sale or three
NumptyNuts
07-09-05, 06:44 PM
There aree many "benefits" from moving away from ccbill, paycomm etc to running the programme yourself via a cascading programme -
For starters, presenly all affilates who do not reach the minimum figure, the 3 party processor gets to keep that cash - (I would reckon on my programme alone, ccbill will have made an extra 100k) -
Moving to cascading and making it a minimum 100$ payout means many more webmasters will not make that, so the programme owners now have a huge extra profit - (You may rightly term this as a shave as why in the fuck should there be a minimum at all - Your trafic deserves being paid for)
All cascading programmes give the programme owner control over the join pages - So all cascade programmes are good for shaving a few joins here and there.
fhg's - I have seen some amazing scams -
And, finally, let's can that webmaster for whatever reason -
Shaving goes on? Get the fucking wool out your eyes - It goes on on a much bigger scale than you could ever imagine -
Look at it this way - You send a free or one dollar join and get bacj 35$.
That programme owner has to make a load of upsells in a very short time to get that cash back - Chances are each join will nety 1.50 in upsells.
The sure fact is that the join will not rebill - Cheap joins nearly all cancel BEFORE entering the site - So now the programme only has 2.50 from the new member -
So they spam him to death with cheap joins that the proggy owners have made deals with - Usually around 12.50 a join - He may be vey lucky and get 2 referred joins - But usually he will get only .50% join -
So at best, the programme owners have lost only 7.50, at worst, they have lost 34$
Now look at your own tours and your sign up ratios - Nor compair to those tourse built by the best and ultra highly optimized - Then look at ther traffic you have sent -
I think that most programmes actually payout one join for every 4/5 joins you actually send.
Well based on my experience and what I understand of the Sterlingcash programme, my view is they just tried to grow a little too quickly. They have a great product are a nice bunch of people with a lot of knowledge, what they lack is communication and the ability to listen to what people want.
They didnt need to change from ccbill as the result of the resource allocated to the migration theres lots of uncompleted sites such as this one http://www.inbedwithashley.com/ all of which appear in the porfolio.
They would have to set up completely unbiased tours to guarantee this - Otherwise you would go to the cascade system and the first processor of their choosing gets the sale - And as your old ccbill codes would now be unrecognizable by the new system, chances are you lost a sale or three
2 different tours, this is exactly what happened according to Aaron. i never checked it up though.
Cardinal_Sin
07-09-05, 06:58 PM
Well based on my experience and what I understand of the Sterlingcash programme, my view is they just tried to grow a little too quickly. They have a great product are a nice bunch of people with a lot of knowledge, what they lack is communication and the ability to listen to what people want.
They didnt need to change from ccbill as the result of the resource allocated to the migration theres lots of uncompleted sites such as this one http://www.inbedwithashley.com/ all of which appear in the porfolio.
place updates here
That is the unfinished version?
They would have to set up completely unbiased tours to guarantee this - Otherwise you would go to the cascade system and the first processor of their choosing gets the sale - And as your old ccbill codes would now be unrecognizable by the new system, chances are you lost a sale or three
Thats what I always thought, but I know Matt (UK adult cash) is going to use MPA3 going from CCBill and MPA3 told him that the ccbill codes will work for all the billers, I guess there is a script in the middle that converts them?
2 different tours, this is exactly what happened according to Aaron. i never checked it up though.
That is what I would do, two different tours makes 100% sense, plus those who didnt want to use the new system and wanted to stick with CCBill alone (as I would) could carry on promoting you. That makes everyone happy, new affiliates, old affiliates, people who want to be paid from CCBill (like I would) people who want the extra processors to maybe get more sales, etc etc Two tours is obviously the right way to go
These problems started because they lost their focus - end of
Maybe they thought it was all going so well they didn't need to stay "focused" of course you have to stay on the ball or it can all go tit up.
Shaving goes on? Get the fucking wool out your eyes - It goes on on a much bigger scale than you could ever imagine -
That's why I said about it being an occupational hazard :takethat:
Shandy McAndy
07-09-05, 09:36 PM
The problem is its to easy to shave, so people shave
ukwebmasters
07-10-05, 12:15 AM
Do you think that shaving is just an occupational hazard and that all sponsors will shave sooner or later?
YEAH
mellenig
07-10-05, 01:27 AM
Thats what I always thought, but I know Matt (UK adult cash) is going to use MPA3 going from CCBill and MPA3 told him that the ccbill codes will work for all the billers, I guess there is a script in the middle that converts them?
That's good news thought I would have to go change all the linking codes :)
wankmaster
07-10-05, 01:50 AM
Sweeney Todd
chilihost
07-11-05, 07:32 AM
For starters, presenly all affilates who do not reach the minimum figure, the 3 party processor gets to keep that cash - (I would reckon on my programme alone, ccbill will have made an extra 100k) -
CCBill is better than most as you can combine income from all ccbill affiliate programs plus they either don't have a min payout or its maybe $25 cuz I have received ccbill cheques in the past for that amount.
cheers,
Luke
daveydude
07-11-05, 10:39 AM
I quote - 'hmm yeah - im looking thru our conversation last month as well - we calculated that ud had 22 sales & 10 rebills...' If their support team can see it and I can't I'm affraid to say this is shaving in my view.
No Paul, that is incorrect. I was looking through the MSN log of our conversation last month so I could find the figures we used to write your cheque. At that time you had 22 sales and 10 rebills. Now you haven't - I'm seeing the same numbers as you, and Executive Stats are on the case and have accepted full responsibility as you know.
NumptyNuts
07-11-05, 11:06 AM
No Paul, that is incorrect. I was looking through the MSN log of our conversation last month so I could find the figures we used to write your cheque. At that time you had 22 sales and 10 rebills. Now you haven't - I'm seeing the same numbers as you, and Executive Stats are on the case and have accepted full responsibility as you know.
I too have contacted ES - I am keen to know if its an issue with their software, an affiliate system that looses the data is not very useful. My agenda is simple to recover the lost revenue and establish if this is something that will happen again or has already happened and went un noticed.
I trust the ES will be looking at the issue as a whole and seeing if this has effected other affiliates?
daveydude
07-11-05, 12:26 PM
At the moment you know the same as me - ES will be looking at your case specifically since we had details of actual figures & dates to give them. They will also be examining whether this has affected other affiliates.
Remember Paul, at this point we don't know if there is any "lost revenue" at all. If an error in a script was adding "ghost" figures to your sales then there is no revenue for you to lose. I will do everything I can to clarify the matter with you IF this is the case, and I'm sure ES will be happy to do the same.
NumptyNuts
07-11-05, 12:39 PM
At the moment you know the same as me - ES will be looking at your case specifically since we had details of actual figures & dates to give them. They will also be examining whether this has affected other affiliates.
Remember Paul, at this point we don't know if there is any "lost revenue" at all. If an error in a script was adding "ghost" figures to your sales then there is no revenue for you to lose. I will do everything I can to clarify the matter with you IF this is the case, and I'm sure ES will be happy to do the same.
Hi Dave what are 'ghost' figures?
Hi Dave what are 'ghost' figures?
As well as figures getting lost its equally as likely that figures have been added, is I think what Davey is saying.
So the figure without the sales could have been correct, not the figure with the sales
NumptyNuts
07-11-05, 02:08 PM
As well as figures getting lost its equally as likely that figures have been added, is I think what Davey is saying.
So the figure without the sales could have been correct, not the figure with the sales
I see - it makes no sense as if that was happening it would have been stopped instantly by sterling cash or at the least their accountant.
I think sterlingcash should get an independent audit and publish a report explaining the lost revenues should this 'ghost' theory be true. Because if this is the case which I firmly dispute, then anyone can deduct revenues and blame it on 'ghosts'
http://www.smithsmedia.co.uk/gb.jpg
http://www.smithsmedia.co.uk/gb.jpg
LOL :takethat:
daveydude
07-11-05, 02:46 PM
Paul, I don't think you see what I'm getting at - ES have explained that some rebills were added twice, and the extra ones have been removed. I'm calling the extra ones "ghost" sales for lack of a better word. Are you saying you "firmly dispute" that as a possibility? And in that case, what do you suggest is the reason?
aaron_sterlingcash
07-11-05, 03:04 PM
I see - it makes no sense as if that was happening it would have been stopped instantly by sterling cash or at the least their accountant.
I think sterlingcash should get an independent audit and publish a report explaining the lost revenues should this 'ghost' theory be true. Because if this is the case which I firmly dispute, then anyone can deduct revenues and blame it on 'ghosts'
http://www.smithsmedia.co.uk/gb.jpg
Paul I think that we need to wait till we know the facts of what has gone wrong with the stats, it is fair to assume that if sales are missing then sales could be added as well.
It has already been said that we have not and can not shave, so therefore if there have been any sales missed then you will be paid for them, but until we all hear what ES have to say then we cant move forward with this.
I am understanding of your anger Paul and we feel the same way about this but its not going to help any of us to keep on speculating as to the cause or indeed what is happening.
So as a reasonable man can I ask you to wait till ES post back with info before carrying on this discussion?
ES is basically a pile of shit
ES is basically a pile of shit
I personally wouldnt use a proram who used ES
NumptyNuts
07-12-05, 10:51 PM
Whats the issue with ES?
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