How many members?

[sparkleinc]

How many members can a paysite expect to retain at any one time?

Searching back through previous posts the highest number I have found is 1,000

Is that a good target to aim for?

[SGS]

How many members can a paysite expect to retain at any one time?

Searching back through previous posts the highest number I have found is 1,000

Is that a good target to aim for?

1000 should be your "first base".

[JT]

To get alot of members, lots of things are important. But one thing you need ultimatley is traffic. You need traffic and you need lots of it. The amount of traffic you can generate visiting your site will ultimatly decide how many customers you have.

If you intend to build a program and get affiliates to get traffic, then be prepared for the long haul. There are not many affiliates out there who can send decent numbers to a program and have usually all there sponsors worked out.

I have about 2000 affiliates and they send me enough sales that I wouldnt have to do anything but maintain my program and I'd still earn a good living. But I still make about 50% of my sales. I could easily not have affiliates and still make a good living.

In my opinion to open up a pay site today, you have to be able to send it sales yourself, from day one. I have never opened a site that I didnt have sales for. I always have the traffic first, tried and tested with pay sites before opening my own pay site.

Ive just had a new paysite built, that Im launching in a week or two and its another site that I have traffic for. Then offering that site out to my existing affiliates just makes it that much better.

If you look at any big program that makes sales, you can forget the bullshit that goes with this biz alot of the time. They all have shit loads of traffic (potential customers) visiting there sites. What ever meens they are using to get them there, they are there.

[SGS]

To get alot of members, lots of things are important. But one thing you need ultimatley is traffic. You need traffic and you need lots of it. The amount of traffic you can generate visiting your site will ultimatly decide how many visitors you have.

If you intend to build a program and get affiliates to get traffic, then be prepared for the long haul. There are not many affiliates out there who can send decent numbers to a program and have usually all there sponsors worked out.

I have about 2000 affiliates and they send me enough sales that I wouldnt have to do anything but maintain my program and I'd still earn a good living. But I still make about 50% of my sales. I could easily not have affiliates and still make a good living.

In my opinion to open up a pay site today, you have to be able to send it sales yourself, from day one. I have never opened a site that I didnt have sales for. I always have the traffic first, tried and tested with pay sites before opening my own pay site.

Ive just had a new paysite built, that Im launching in a week or two and its another site that I have traffic for. Then offering that site out to my existing affiliates just makes it that much better.

If you look at any big program that makes sales, you can forget the bullshit that goes with this biz alot of the time. They all have shit loads of traffic (potential customers) visiting there sites. What ever meens they are using to get them there, they are there.

Wise words and traffic is god. :)

[SGS]

But after you have the traffic you need to give them *exactly* what they want and they will stay. :)

[gav]

To get alot of members, lots of things are important. But one thing you need ultimatley is traffic. You need traffic and you need lots of it. The amount of traffic you can generate visiting your site will ultimatly decide how many visitors you have.

If you intend to build a program and get affiliates to get traffic, then be prepared for the long haul. There are not many affiliates out there who can send decent numbers to a program and have usually all there sponsors worked out.

I have about 2000 affiliates and they send me enough sales that I wouldnt have to do anything but maintain my program and I'd still earn a good living. But I still make about 50% of my sales. I could easily not have affiliates and still make a good living.

In my opinion to open up a pay site today, you have to be able to send it sales yourself, from day one. I have never opened a site that I didnt have sales for. I always have the traffic first, tried and tested with pay sites before opening my own pay site.

Ive just had a new paysite built, that Im launching in a week or two and its another site that I have traffic for. Then offering that site out to my existing affiliates just makes it that much better.

If you look at any big program that makes sales, you can forget the bullshit that goes with this biz alot of the time. They all have shit loads of traffic (potential customers) visiting there sites. What ever meens they are using to get them there, they are there.

Some very wise words there.

I opened my site around 5 months ago and have plenty of my own same niched traffic to start off with. It does make things a hell of a lot easier but it still surprised me how hard it is to get a stand alone paysite off the ground and bring in decent amounts of sales per day.

[SimonQuinlank]

Some very wise words there.

I opened my site around 5 months ago and have plenty of my own same niched traffic to start off with. It does make things a hell of a lot easier but it still surprised me how hard it is to get a stand alone paysite off the ground and bring in decent amounts of sales per day.


It is very difficult, and you can easily take the wrong route

[dvtimes]

`vAlso do not forget its important to keep your members.

Its better to have 300 members sign up and stay with you for month after month than 1000 who sign up and leave.

[SGS]

`vAlso do not forget its important to keep your members.

Its better to have 300 members sign up and stay with you for month after month than 1000 who sign up and leave.

I thought that the post was about recurring members?

[SimonSubAms]

How many members can a paysite expect to retain at any one time? Searching back through previous posts the highest number I have found is 1,000 Is that a good target to aim for?

When I started my first paysite I aimed for 100 before going to my brothers wedding, which was 2 weeks away. I made 97! By the time I got back a few days later I was chasing my next target, 250, then 500, then 1000.
Make the target more realistic and you'll keep your enthusiasm going.
1000 is a good target to aim for but by no means a high number...and while you're getting there keep spending the money on content, you can never have enough. I've got drawers full of content I've yet to touch.

To get alot of members, lots of things are important. But one thing you need ultimatley is traffic. You need traffic and you need lots of it. The amount of traffic you can generate visiting your site will ultimatly decide how many customers you have.

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:agree: but quality traffic can come in lower numbers and make as much if not more money.

Its better to have 300 members sign up and stay with you for month after month than 1000 who sign up and leave.

You usually have to get 1000 to find 300 to stay month after month but if you give those 1000 what they want, and lots of it, you'll find a lot of them come back time and time again.

[nekrom]

Yup a stack of good points above. And if you plan to open up a paysite with none of your own traffic, and just plan for revs to push it, good luck with that haha. :)

-N

[Johnny Kleenexxx]

To get alot of members, lots of things are important. But one thing you need ultimatley is traffic. You need traffic and you need lots of it. The amount of traffic you can generate visiting your site will ultimatly decide how many customers you have.

If you intend to build a program and get affiliates to get traffic, then be prepared for the long haul. There are not many affiliates out there who can send decent numbers to a program and have usually all there sponsors worked out.

I have about 2000 affiliates and they send me enough sales that I wouldnt have to do anything but maintain my program and I'd still earn a good living. But I still make about 50% of my sales. I could easily not have affiliates and still make a good living.

In my opinion to open up a pay site today, you have to be able to send it sales yourself, from day one. I have never opened a site that I didnt have sales for. I always have the traffic first, tried and tested with pay sites before opening my own pay site.

Ive just had a new paysite built, that Im launching in a week or two and its another site that I have traffic for. Then offering that site out to my existing affiliates just makes it that much better.

If you look at any big program that makes sales, you can forget the bullshit that goes with this biz alot of the time. They all have shit loads of traffic (potential customers) visiting there sites. What ever meens they are using to get them there, they are there.

great post Johny

i put the cart before the horse and did it all the wrong way around

i have plenty of product but zero traffic . . the biggest mountain is yet to climb

luckily i'm enjoying the slow process of building through feeder blogs & hardlinks

never planned to be in this game . . and Rome wasn't built in a day bla bla

[JT]

:agree: but quality traffic can come in lower numbers and make as much if not more money.


Yes I agree of course, but sometimes people can forget, if you want lots of customers, you need lots of eyes looking at your site. Obviously we all want every one of those eyes to be wanting to buy. We try our best to get good pre qualified surfers......But if you want a pay site with 1000's of members you need tons of surfers. Its something people often forget.

They tend to tweak with this and that, especially with new sites.

Is this design better?....this header better?....what if I offer this?....what if this banner flashes this way?....What about this gallery, are the thumbs cropt big enough.?.......... But at the same time they often don't concentrate on getting bums on seats. Or offering a product people want when they get there

[JT]

great post Johny

i put the cart before the horse and did it all the wrong way around

i have plenty of product but zero traffic . . the biggest mountain is yet to climb

luckily i'm enjoying the slow process of building through feeder blogs & hardlinks

never planned to be in this game . . and Rome wasn't built in a day bla bla


You wont regret it. It's great having affiliates, but its also great being able to generate alot of your sales. Especially if you are building tons of feeder sites etc.

[JT]

Yup a stack of good points above. And if you plan to open up a paysite with none of your own traffic, and just plan for revs to push it, good luck with that haha. :)

-N


Yes I think that was possible with new sites a few years back and is 100% possible for established sites and programs. But personally I agree if you open a new site now and either dont have existing traffic or a very good plan to get traffic, wether that be on your own or through affiliates or a mixture of both, then you are in for a hard time.

Of course there are always exceptions.

[SimonSubAms]

Yes I agree of course, but sometimes people can forget, if you want lots of customers, you need lots of eyes looking at your site. Obviously we all want every one of those eyes to be wanting to buy. We try our best to get good pre qualified surfers......But if you want a pay site with 1000's of members you need tons of surfers. Its something people often forget.

They tend to tweak with this and that, especially with new sites.

Is this design better?....this header better?....what if I offer this?....what if this banner flashes this way?....What about this gallery, are the thumbs cropt big enough.?.......... But at the same time they often don't concentrate on getting bums on seats. Or offering a product people want when they get there

Yes, traffic is definately king.
I've bought a few paysites over the last couple of years, and been offered others, where the content has been good exclusive stuff but they couldn't make more than 2 or 3 sales a MONTH. That knocks on to no new content, no updates and noone staying around.
And the amount of models that are just starting their own sites expecting to make a fortune is mad.
To start a successful site nowadays takes a good knowledge of the business, a lot of hard work and deep pockets.

Every part is important but without traffic...

[sparkleinc]

Thanx guys and girls, your comments have been very helpful

Must not forget the three T’s, traffic, traffic, traffic!

I guess quality content will help sign up and retain members, but there is no point having good content if nobody is looking at it

Cheers

Mark