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They reckon 5.5 Billion will be watching the fucking poxy G8 shit.
They want an end to poverty, I thought they said that 21 years ago, and probably 221 years before that as well.
I'll be watching because i'm interested in seeing the acts, I'm afraid Africa-fatigue set in a few weeks ago for me.
Bob Geldof fatigue.
Sick of being preached at by a bunch of premadona has-beens and tax exiles with nothing better to do.
fredicus
07-01-05, 06:52 PM
Praise be for commercial tv ( ..ish )
:)
I'll probably get slammed for this :onguard: but what about British poverty :mad: So many Bitains still live on the streets outwidth their contol :ugly: My thoughts :ugly:
I'll probably get slammed for this :onguard: but what about British poverty :mad: So many Bitains still live on the streets outwidth their contol :ugly: My thoughts :ugly:
I'm with you Pip. It's disgusting that in this day and age so many of our elderly die every year from hyperthermia because they can't afford to put their heating on over winter.
Makes me laugh when they say 5.5 billion out of 6.5 billion will be watching it. I doubt more than 1/10th the worlds population have T.V
Plus as bob Geldof himself said, he made more money in a 15 minute meeting with president meteron that all of band aid etc did in total.
John snow on TV this morning said, we have given Africa 3 trillion pounds so far since live aid. Which is £5000 for every man, woman and child in south africa, living or dead......where does that moneny go? I suspect on arms to kill each other, maybe Im too cynical?
Thanks Rosie :) Pensioners only get a Winter Fuel Allowance of £10.00! Can you imaginge running normal Fuel costs at £10.00 - wheres that gonna get them?? What about those evicticted just cause the council decided the're not entitled to housing?? Just cause they are single males!!
Come on Tone, sort it our in this Country before wiping out others!!
Again my own thoughts :ugly:
Johny, this country and many others have been helping Africa for over 20 years or more (since the first Band Aid) so what makes them think that this time is gonna be any different :ugly:
Johny, this country and many others have been helping Africa for over 20 years or more (since the first Band Aid) so what makes them think that this time is gonna be any different :ugly:
we give them aid, they pay off loans, we dont allow them to trade fairly... the cycle contunues... send over another trillion it wont make a difference till we break the cycle
I wish some fecker would pay off my loans lol :ugly:
cock-a-leekie
07-02-05, 12:05 AM
I'm with you Pip. It's disgusting that in this day and age so many of our elderly die every year from hyperthermia because they can't afford to put their heating on over winter.
Poverty in this G8 country? What poverty!
With the benefits available in this country there is no real poverty. The only poverty I see here is self inflicted. Old people who are too stubborn to sell their homes and move into wardened sheltered housing, or drug addicts on the dole, jacking up and not even looking for a job... Sorry for the lack of sympathy, but what poverty in the UK?
Young mothers in rented homes with "gasp" no central heating or double glazing (poor things) struggling to put bread and water on the table when they're going out clubbing once a month, dressing little Johnny in Nikes and smoking 20 B&H a day. My heart bleeds.
As part of the G8 we're in the 1% of the richest countries in the world and like any democracy there will never be an even spread of wealth, but real poverty? Nahhh...
All I see when I see poverty in the UK is people fucking themselves up. Jesus, if they're really so poor, why not commit crime. 3 square meals a day, your own little room and a proper education to boot, all at the tax payers pleasure!
Poverty in the UK? Nahhhh....
They reckon 5.5 Billion will be watching the fucking poxy G8 shit.
They want an end to poverty, I thought they said that 21 years ago, and probably 221 years before that as well.
what the fuck are you on about now? buy more domains.
what the fuck are you on about now? buy more domains.
But where can I get domains with Moneybookers?
That would be handy, do you know of anyone who could do that for me, if so I will get many.
johnboy
07-02-05, 12:09 AM
I feel pretty cynical about Geldof. Live Aid, 20 years back, was supposed to put a shot in the arm of poverty. How much of that aid actualy got to Africa is probably pretty grey, but what that did do is resurrect the fortunes of some pretty flaked out musicians whose stars were fading pretty fast.
It also gave Geldof one hell of an ego boost (anyone seen that documentary where Sting thought he was a "planning" part of it...till Bob blatently shunned him)
I agree with Pip, Charity begins at home. I'd rather give a pound to a guy selling the Big Issue in my High Street than to some unknown African dictator.
As for Geldof, he's just on another massive ego trip....he's the man single handedly battling word poverty. What a load of old wank idealistic crap.
cock-a-leekie
07-02-05, 12:10 AM
Thanks Rosie :) Pensioners only get a Winter Fuel Allowance of £10.00! Can you imaginge running normal Fuel costs at £10.00 - wheres that gonna get them?? What about those evicticted just cause the council decided the're not entitled to housing?? Just cause they are single males!!
Come on Tone, sort it our in this Country before wiping out others!!
Again my own thoughts :ugly:
Ten quid? I think not.
Pension Credit helpline:
You are only entitled to £100 if, during the qualifying week, you did not get Pension Credit and there were other people in your household who were entitled to a Winter Fuel Payment.
Pensioners on pension credit get more than £100 depending on their circumstances.
Eitherway, I don't see too many of them on the next plane to Ethiopia during our cold winter months.
Poverty in this G8 country? What poverty!
Poverty in the UK? Nahhhh....
Sorry couldn't resist posting this :guinness:
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
Aye, very passable, that, very passable bit of risotto.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
Nothing like a good glass of Château de Chasselas, eh, Josiah?
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
You're right there, Obadiah.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Who'd have thought thirty year ago we'd all be sittin' here drinking Château de Chasselas, eh?
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
In them days we was glad to have the price of a cup o' tea.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
A cup o' cold tea.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Without milk or sugar.
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
Or tea.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
In a cracked cup, an' all.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Oh, we never had a cup. We used to have to drink out of a rolled up newspaper.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
The best we could manage was to suck on a piece of damp cloth.
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
But you know, we were happy in those days, though we were poor.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
Because we were poor. My old Dad used to say to me, "Money doesn't buy you happiness, son".
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Aye, 'e was right.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
Aye, 'e was.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
I was happier then and I had nothin'. We used to live in this tiny old house with great big holes in the roof.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
House! You were lucky to live in a house! We used to live in one room, all twenty-six of us, no furniture, 'alf the floor was missing, and we were all 'uddled together in one corner for fear of falling.
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
Eh, you were lucky to have a room! We used to have to live in t' corridor!
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
Oh, we used to dream of livin' in a corridor! Would ha' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woke up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House? Huh.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Well, when I say 'house' it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
We were evicted from our 'ole in the ground; we 'ad to go and live in a lake.
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
You were lucky to have a lake! There were a hundred and fifty of us living in t' shoebox in t' middle o' road.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
Cardboard box?
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
Aye.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi' his belt.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of 'ot gravel, work twenty hour day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky!
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you.
ALL:
They won't!
cock-a-leekie
07-02-05, 12:17 AM
Personally I think Aid to Africa is a good thing, albeit an ongoing thing. I too think Saint Geldof is on a power trip but who cares? If it makes a few thousand people live a few years longer what does it cost us? It's cheap to chuck £20 their way and feel good about yourself for a few days or so. And then on to the next charity....
I'd rather give £20 quid to staving children in Africa than to some stinky drunk tramp loitering with an empty plastic cup outside Macdonalds.
you'll have to look in the right places, where milk n honey flows and all.
cock-a-leekie
07-02-05, 12:20 AM
Sorry couldn't resist posting this :guinness:
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
Aye, very passable, that, very passable bit of risotto.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
Nothing like a good glass of Château de Chasselas, eh, Josiah?
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
You're right there, Obadiah.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Who'd have thought thirty year ago we'd all be sittin' here drinking Château de Chasselas, eh?
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
In them days we was glad to have the price of a cup o' tea.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
A cup o' cold tea.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Without milk or sugar.
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
Or tea.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
In a cracked cup, an' all.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Oh, we never had a cup. We used to have to drink out of a rolled up newspaper.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
The best we could manage was to suck on a piece of damp cloth.
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
But you know, we were happy in those days, though we were poor.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
Because we were poor. My old Dad used to say to me, "Money doesn't buy you happiness, son".
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Aye, 'e was right.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
Aye, 'e was.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
I was happier then and I had nothin'. We used to live in this tiny old house with great big holes in the roof.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
House! You were lucky to live in a house! We used to live in one room, all twenty-six of us, no furniture, 'alf the floor was missing, and we were all 'uddled together in one corner for fear of falling.
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
Eh, you were lucky to have a room! We used to have to live in t' corridor!
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
Oh, we used to dream of livin' in a corridor! Would ha' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woke up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House? Huh.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Well, when I say 'house' it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
We were evicted from our 'ole in the ground; we 'ad to go and live in a lake.
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
You were lucky to have a lake! There were a hundred and fifty of us living in t' shoebox in t' middle o' road.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
Cardboard box?
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
Aye.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi' his belt.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of 'ot gravel, work twenty hour day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky!
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you.
ALL:
They won't!
Hear Hear! I'll drink to them Yorkshire folk :guinness:
Annelise-UK
07-02-05, 12:23 AM
Hear Hear! I'll drink to them Yorkshire folk :guinness:
And so will I! :guinness:
johnboy
07-02-05, 12:27 AM
I'd rather give £20 quid to staving children in Africa than to some stinky drunk tramp loitering with an empty plastic cup outside Macdonalds.
Chucking £20 to Sir Bob and his lot will probably see £15 of that spent on firearms to fund local wars, £4 spent on admin and £1 on Africa.
Then on we go, roll on 20 years and we do it all again.
There are also a lot of genuine and serious poverty issues in the UK that aren't "drunk on street corner" related and could be tackled by serious funding
cock-a-leekie
07-02-05, 01:03 AM
what the fuck are you on about now? buy more domains.
LOL. Wise man said.
:thumbsup:
i dont mind giving a few quid to good causes, even though i know a large % will never be seen by those who need it. The Africa thing...its an bottomless pit but i still give.
As to the poor in this country..there are lots of them and not all by choice. It is those who abuse the system that spoil it for those who are really needy.
What annoys me the most is the large unemployed families that are on benefits. Both parents that cant seem to be able to work....yet still manage to pump out kids like rabbits and then living on state benefits. There should be a limit on the amount given..not just an increase for every child you have.
domd
xx
domtheboy
07-02-05, 02:11 AM
Does anyone else get a bit fucking pissed off about being told to donate money to help people in Africa by musicians who have already earnt more money than I ever will in my life ? Get you own fucking chequebook out Geldof.
The problem is with Africa is that money wont solve it without a political solution. They money hardley ever gets to the poor who need it. All the african countries without exception of been ruled by corrupt local and national governments since day one. Plus we dont alow them to trade properly. We restrict how much they can sell to us and so they cant make use of their natural resources. The solution must be political on.
Cardinal_Sin
07-02-05, 08:23 AM
Does anyone else get a bit fucking pissed off about being told to donate money to help people in Africa by musicians who have already earnt more money than I ever will in my life ? Get you own fucking chequebook out Geldof.
The work he did on Live Aid actually made him bankrupt - He had to go back on the road again afterwards. The cash collected from that concert (something like 100 million) was spent very wisely with very little being wasted.
If money is given to stable governments in the form of aid, it is nearly alway paid back in the form of debt repayment from previous loans - Nearly all of these crippling loans date back years when dictators were borrowing heavily not for their countries, but for themselves. So current governments are having to repay these loans and let their own populations starve - Botswana (I think) is paying out 11% of it's total budget on loans and only 1% on it's peoples -
If their (stable governments only) debts are cleared, that gives them cash to invest in their own peoples and infatructures.
Does anyone else get a bit fucking pissed off about being told to donate money to help people in Africa by musicians who have already earnt more money than I ever will in my life ? Get you own fucking chequebook out Geldof.
Bob Geldof isn't telling you to donate any money though...
Makes me laugh when they say 5.5 billion out of 6.5 billion will be watching it. I doubt more than 1/10th the worlds population have T.V
I think that a hell of a lot more than 650 million people have TVs. There must be at least 300 million in the USA alone.
i dont mind giving a few quid to good causes, even though i know a large % will never be seen by those who need it.
please go on. you know my epass and moneybookers accounts. i'll make a screenshot to prove i've seen it. -partyon-
as far as help reaching those who need it is concerned, supposedly not half of the money donated after the tsunami has been invested or passed on yet, large areas are still without any help fom outside, be that help from their own gov or from outside their country.
chancers are those making the most of it, most likely. a minor but just as important detail: quite a number of kids has disappeared in the weeks and months since that catastrophe. i don't wanna know how many have not just been picked up by family and haven't been reported as safe but have been grabbed by abusers.
as long as there are so many steps between those giving and those needing we'll always see abuse of the system. that's one of the VERY few reasons that would in theory speak for a world gov or adminstration. to cut down on the hands and offices things have to pass through.
cock-a-leekie
07-02-05, 02:16 PM
Personally I think charity is great. Best thing is, there's no fixed amount to give so you can balance your donation by the amount of guilt or pity you feel. My guilt to “feel good factor” ratio for today is £25.
Great, now I can sit down to my poached salmon with a trio of julienne veg, savoury sautéed jersey royals and a light liaison sauce, comfy in the knowledge that I'm throwing a few crumbs to Africa and I need never have any guilt trip about the extreme waste in food and energy we see in our wealthy country.
Who cares where the money is going? Next month I can donate to another charity when my feel good factor needs topping up.
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