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dvtimes
06-28-05, 01:14 AM
Is Tony Blair correct to send people back to Zimbabwe to be killed?
I say he is a fucking twat.
Fuck him and his shit hole goverment.
And bollocks to id cards.
stembolt
06-28-05, 01:42 AM
poeple sed the same thing about sending poeple back too iraq etc
then he sent the troops in!
watch out Zimbabwe
do they have oil in zimby land?
:onguard:
dvtimes
06-28-05, 01:44 AM
poeple sed the same thing about sending poeple back too iraq etc
then he sent the troops in!
watch out Zimbabwe
do they have oil in zimby land?
:onguard:
I do not think they have oil. The do in Sudan (tons and tons).
Zambia has copper, but the USA stuffed that up.
cock-a-leekie
06-28-05, 02:23 AM
Is Tony Blair correct to send people back to Zimbabwe to be killed?
I say he is a fucking twat.
Fuck him and his shit hole goverment.
And bollocks to id cards.
From what I understand, political refugees seeking asylum will be granted to enter the UK. However, each case is looked at on an individual basis and anyone caught seeking UK citizenship to better themselves will be sent packing. What’s unfair about that?
This government can’t win, 80% of the population say we’re too soft on immigrants, and now they’re taking a firm stand they’re being slated for being too harsh. Well I say let France, Germany, Spain, Holland etc. take them, or much better still, some other democratic African country, South Africa perhaps? Makes me laugh that they’re screaming for world debt relief and yet they won’t even help their own neighbour’s plight.
I say wait and see just how many get sent back after their case has been studied, I doubt it will be many.
From what I understand, political refugees seeking asylum will be granted to enter the UK. However, each case is looked at on an individual basis and anyone caught seeking UK citizenship to better themselves will be sent packing. What’s unfair about that?
This government can’t win, 80% of the population say we’re too soft on immigrants, and now they’re taking a firm stand they’re being slated for being too harsh. Well I say let France, Germany, Spain, Holland etc. take them, or much better still, some other democratic African country, South Africa perhaps? Makes me laugh that they’re screaming for world debt relief and yet they won’t even help their own neighbour’s plight.
I say wait and see just how many get sent back after their case has been studied, I doubt it will be many.
Exactly.
Exactly.
But I do agree about bollocks to ID cards.
Is Tony Blair correct to send people back to Zimbabwe to be killed?
I say he is a fucking twat.
Fuck him and his shit hole goverment.
And bollocks to id cards.
So you don't remember the Thatcher government then? lol
NumptyNuts
06-28-05, 11:12 AM
Is Tony Blair correct to send people back to Zimbabwe to be killed?
I say he is a fucking twat.
Fuck him and his shit hole goverment.
And bollocks to id cards.
ID cards - we have them in the form of Driving Licence's Passports and bank cards etc.
Im all for it - everyone should carry a card around - whats the issue it will prevent help prevent fraud and a number of other petty things.
See I think all people on benefit should be forced to vote, this way anyone trying to claim from various address's will be caught out in person, if they don't vote they should get fuck all from the state - if they cant contribute then stuff em.
Anyhow they wreckon that we will move towards 'smart passports' in the first instance then ID cards. The sooner they do it the better things will be!
If some one has not got the right to be here then send em packing, if the do gooders don't like then let them pay for them to stay.
ukwebmasters
06-28-05, 11:19 AM
over here in italy it's compulsory to carry 3 forms of id if you're a stranieri (foreigner) - it's practically the old U.S.S.R. here, there are more russians, ukrainians et al than italians (maybe that's not a bad thing though lol) - in the U.K. they bang them up in detention centres - cases pending but here, they just move over, visit the local council offices and begin the insane paperwork process. you lot wouldn't half complain like dogs if the U.K. was a la italy 2005. there are gangs of ukrainian blokes hanging around the small town where I live 24/7 - they'd last about 3 minutes in wrexham lol :onguard:
ID cards - we have them in the form of Driving Licence's Passports and bank cards etc.
Im all for it - everyone should carry a card around - whats the issue it will prevent help prevent fraud and a number of other petty things.
See I think all people on benefit should be forced to vote, this way anyone trying to claim from various address's will be caught out in person, if they don't vote they should get fuck all from the state - if they cant contribute then stuff em.
Anyhow they wreckon that we will move towards 'smart passports' in the first instance then ID cards. The sooner they do it the better things will be!
If some one has not got the right to be here then send em packing, if the do gooders don't like then let them pay for them to stay.
The problem with I.D cards is that to start with on government estimates its gonna cost £200+ per person. So you can double that. So taking the best case scenario, thats £12,000,000,000
On top of the spiraling costs it will create, it wont solve one thing. The only people that will have them will be the good law abiding people who belong here. All the illegals and criminals will have forged ones. Give it a year and youll be able to buy them down the pub for less than the governmet originals
dvtimes
06-28-05, 11:48 AM
But ID cards will not prevent crime?
As you say you have driving licences and credit cards. You can buy fake ones for £10.
All that will happen is the ID cards will be faked.
How would an ID card stop me robbing your house?
And do you think the computer system will work? If it does it will be the first time. Even the welsh police have refused to use government software, they have bought there software privately, and it works far better.
They now say the cards will cost £300. Who will pay for them.
No one yet has said how an ID card can prevent ANY type of crime.
dvtimes
06-28-05, 11:50 AM
The problem with I.D cards is that to start with on government estimates its gonna cost £200+ per person. So you can double that. So taking the best case scenario, thats £12,000,000,000
On top of the spiraling costs it will create, it wont solve one thing. The only people that will have them will be the good law abiding people who belong here. All the illegals and criminals will have forged ones. Give it a year and youll be able to buy them down the pub for less than the governmet originals
In some ways, I want them, as I will move to Spain and start to produce forged id cards.
In some ways, I want them, as I will move to Spain and start to produce forged id cards.
Let me know as I have a villa for sale in South East Spain.
Let me know as I have a villa for sale in South East Spain.
That should be no problem, Allans earnt that much already today http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=485911
That should be no problem, Allans earnt that much already today http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=485911
lol
Allan, not trying to diss you or anything but you put a huge amount of time into message board posting and stuff like that so why don't you spend that time building your business instead? I don't understand. Is it just a hobby to you or a part time thing?
hahaha! this guy is hilarious!
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we should get him here, he lights up every board i've seen him on. insightful, well informed, you get it. :D
stembolt
06-28-05, 02:19 PM
Look at it this way.
The government spent billions on dogs being electronically tagged so we can find are beloved pets?
Think on people one injection when your 3 months old and u are tagged of life, that’s the future of ID cards, once we are use to them it will be a snow ball effect.
We had our dog chipped and he makes the Pioneer plasma in the front room change channels when he goes in there and scratches.
We had our dog chipped and he makes the Pioneer plasma in the front room change channels when he goes in there and scratches.
LMAO :takethat:
drunken
06-28-05, 02:54 PM
And bollocks to id cards.
Amen to that one.
I *really* don't like the idea of that shit.
Last time I checked England was not a police state. :gay:
My plan of moving to France may be bought forwards a couple of years if this nonsense goes ahead
Amen to that one.
I *really* don't like the idea of that shit.
Last time I checked England was not a police state. :gay:
My plan of moving to France may be bought forwards a couple of years if this nonsense goes ahead
And have a French ID card instead? (http://www.infoworld.com/article/05/04/12/HNfrenchbiometriccards_1.html)
Tony Blair and correct? Doesn't compute.
Last time I checked England was not a police state. :gay:
so all the CCTV is just a big Big Brother show really? ;)
come on guys, you are spied on at least as much as the rest of the EU, if not more.
With the growth in identity theft the ID cards can't come fast enough. We had them before so I can't see what problem they would be now.
ukwebmasters
06-28-05, 04:39 PM
biometric data held on an identity card will go a long long way to curbing the mass influx of illegal immigrants that will cut right through the british isles in the next 10 years as has already happened in most other mainland european countries. the brits back home whinge about immigration now but by god, they've no idea. yet.
biometric data held on an identity card will go a long long way to curbing the mass influx of illegal immigrants that will cut right through the british isles in the next 10 years as has already happened in most other mainland european countries. the brits back home whinge about immigration now but by god, they've no idea. yet.
considering the positive economical data the UK is publishing and taking into account that Slovakia is running a field test with 4000 jobless people where they pay them all expenses and travel costs if they find work elsewhere in the EU, we are only seeing the tip of an iceberg so far.
oh yes, the 4000 is a test, if it works out, that will be availble to every jobless person in Slovakia.
and once the limitations to the job markets are lifted in 6 or less years from now, there will be nothing stopping them. luckily by then all important industry will have moved eastwards anyway, so they might stay ar home. :D
dvtimes
06-28-05, 05:53 PM
We had our dog chipped and he makes the Pioneer plasma in the front room change channels when he goes in there and scratches.
Is that true?
dvtimes
06-28-05, 06:03 PM
To be honest, I am not against ID cards because I am worried about big brother knowing stuff about me. Lets face it, most big businesses will have data bases with all our details on.
Heck, I tell total strangers all my details on the bus.
No, what I am against the ID cards is that it seems a huge waste of cash, that will achieve nothing at all.
The bill for this junk is in the billions I believe. It should be used to get more police, as that will fight crime better.
I live near a modern large police station. A few streets away, someone phoned the police as they thought they heard a burglar. She was told they could not come out for a bit as they did not have enough police cars.
And yes some countries do have ID cards. Do they stop crime? No.
To be honest, I am not against ID cards because I am worried about big brother knowing stuff about me. Lets face it, most big businesses will have data bases with all our details on.
Heck, I tell total strangers all my details on the bus.
No, what I am against the ID cards is that it seems a huge waste of cash, that will achieve nothing at all.
The bill for this junk is in the billions I believe. It should be used to get more police, as that will fight crime better.
I live near a modern large police station. A few streets away, someone phoned the police as they thought they heard a burglar. She was told they could not come out for a bit as they did not have enough police cars.
And yes some countries do have ID cards. Do they stop crime? No.
They should have followed your example and got on the bus.
ukwebmasters
06-28-05, 07:05 PM
considering the positive economical data the UK is publishing and taking into account that Slovakia is running a field test with 4000 jobless people where they pay them all expenses and travel costs if they find work elsewhere in the EU, we are only seeing the tip of an iceberg so far.
oh yes, the 4000 is a test, if it works out, that will be availble to every jobless person in Slovakia.
and once the limitations to the job markets are lifted in 6 or less years from now, there will be nothing stopping them. luckily by then all important industry will have moved eastwards anyway, so they might stay ar home. :D
:onguard:
scary very scary.
EU pre-accession yays and nays as regards the integration of the great unwashed, unemployable and generally unwanted from the latest additions to the 'european community' will ultimately lead a large proport of said untermenschen right into the heart of england at some future time, as has happened here in italy. well, not only do we get masses of unskilled gangs of males from EU newbie states (old eastern bloc and/or predominantly muslim zones), we also get masses of north africans, fcuking masses of males from the old U.S.S.R and insane masses of males from central africa.
lovely
the issue is, i do not think at all the folks there are that bad. what comes over tends to be though. someone honest and well eductaed will usually find some sort of job and is also likely to be interested in building and improving their own place.
on top of that, they are used to corrupt systems, real socialism never worked out, it always had it's preferred class and bribery and contacts got you everywhere.
when i was in the construction industry, i had to hire and fire the blue collar staff. many times i have been asked how i can deal with such folks coming from ex-YU, Turkey, as well as Poland and Czechoslovakia.
well, it wasn't that bad, you just have to keep in mind who comes, often desperate folks, the lower social classes. it's not like the homegrown lower classes were much better.
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