Porn Actor Licence

[-HF]

so with all the back n forth on 2257 and the worries about giving out models' details, how wonderful would a porn actor licence be, similar to the prostitutes' one?

for those who aren't familiar with the concept, several countries treat prostitutes and prostitution as something completely normal (well gosh, eh?)
a common concept is, that prostitutes are registered and get a licence. now if they are checked up on by police, they whip out said licence and that's it, assuming it's not outdated.
this also helps making sure they have their regular health checks, which is good for them and their customers and on top of that they are often registered with the taxman and social insurance, so they may even get a pension one day.

what speaks against having a similar system for adult models? the licence would not have to sport much more than their stage name, a photo, some sort of membership number and every content producer and content buyer could check back if he/she is registered and legal. no licence, no shooting.

good thought, bad thought, workable?

[dvtimes]

No.

Its a BAD idea.

The reason I say that, is such a thing could cost a lot of money. My passport was £10 a few years ago. I was told its now £40. I wonder how many models would want to fork out the cash.

Once you have it, then you can increase the rules. Such as providing 6 forms of ID. A HIV certificate each month.

Many of the girls I shoot say they do not do porn. They consider it art nude, or erotic.

As far as tax and stuff goes. Its down to the model to sort that out. He or she is self employed. And I know most do not claim it. It just goes on new cloths.

[-HF]

you are comparing apples and oranges. the tax and social insurance was there to explain the full concept of the registered prostitutes. nowhere did i suggest going all the way for models too. alone for teh fact that many do not work on a regular basis anyway. also, if they are regstered, their names are known to an official institution, i trust they will make cross references and check if income from porn modelling was declared.

would that licence be free? of course not, cannot be, it needs background work to run the system, hence it will cause costs which have to be covered.
OTOH not having your personal details spread around is a comforting thing in my book.

[dvtimes]

you are comparing apples and oranges. the tax and social insurance was there to explain the full concept of the registered prostitutes. nowhere did i suggest going all the way for models too. alone for teh fact that many do not work on a regular basis anyway. also, if they are regstered, their names are known to an official institution, i trust they will make cross references and check if income from porn modelling was declared.

would that licence be free? of course not, cannot be, it needs background work to run the system, hence it will cause costs which have to be covered.
OTOH not having your personal details spread around is a comforting thing in my book.
I see no need for it.

To start with. I would always get two forms of ID regardless for my own safety, rather than risk relying on a id card which may be faked.

Who would run it? Unless it was government, I would not support it.

We do not have 2257 laws anyway. And I have never heard any politician to even mention it.

In truth Labour pretend porn does not exists. And I do not see them even being bothered.

Lets face it no one is going to do child porn/underage models openly. Just because one country has adopted a silly law, does not mean others will. The USA has lots of silly laws that we would never adopt.

Then at what point is a model doing porn? If its boyfriend and girlfriend they may see it as love making on a camera.

Also do you really want to say legally that you do porn? I say I do adult entertainment. If it ever went to court, it would be up to them to prove I do porn and what porn is. If I use models who have porn licences, then its like admitting that I do porn.

Many of those that I shoot are pure amateurs, who may only do one shoot. Non of these are going to want to bother with a licence.

The way I see it, is why complicate a situation, when there is no need to.

Also many who shoot porn, are just armatures who are shooting it for themselves. They do not bother with model releases or id's.

[-HF]

Also do you really want to say legally that you do porn? I say I do adult entertainment.


tons of self esteem there.

[dvtimes]

tons of self esteem there.

I was advised to do this by a lawyer a while ago.

You simply say that your an artist and you produce art.

A while ago a girl who was a nurse was found to have an adult site. She was sacked as she admitted to it. I told her she should have denied it, and let them prove otherwise.

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and to give some serious reply too :D ...


To start with. I would always get two forms of ID regardless for my own safety, rather than risk relying on a id card which may be faked.

awesome. let us know where you are? must be paradise if ID's of any sort are always 100% non fake.

Who would run it? Unless it was government, I would not support it.

what part of official institution didn't you get?

We do not have 2257 laws anyway. And I have never heard any politician to even mention it.

as long as you are in the EU, you never know what hits you. alone the constant push from Sweden to tighten the rules on adult material suggest there may be some shit ahead.

Lets face it no one is going to do child porn/underage models openly. Just because one country has adopted a silly law, does not mean others will. The USA has lots of silly laws that we would never adopt.

when exactly did i mention CP?

Then at what point is a model doing porn? If its boyfriend and girlfriend they may see it as love making on a camera.

as long as it doesn't leave your house, it virtually doesn't exist.

how much more can one miss the point, i wonder?

Also do you really want to say legally that you do porn? I say I do adult entertainment. If it ever went to court, it would be up to them to prove I do porn and what porn is. If I use models who have porn licences, then its like admitting that I do porn.

i'm still a tad confused what your problem with doing porn is.

Many of those that I shoot are pure amateurs, who may only do one shoot. Non of these are going to want to bother with a licence.

yes, and? people can drive cars without the licence, yet they get one.


The way I see it, is why complicate a situation, when there is no need to.

complicate?
let's see, one standard ID vs. 2 various and different forms of ID

yeah, i can see where this makes it more complicated.

Also many who shoot porn, are just armatures who are shooting it for themselves. They do not bother with model releases or id's.

the keyword again being for oneself. whatever you do privately is not traceable, once you sell it, it becomes an issue.
the missed point question applies yet again.

[domd]

I was advised to do this by a lawyer a while ago.

You simply say that your an artist and you produce art.

A while ago a girl who was a nurse was found to have an adult site. She was sacked as she admitted to it. I told her she should have denied it, and let them prove otherwise.

i have to ask why you were advised of that?

Also..the nurse..unless she was posing in her uniform then surely there can have been no basis for dismissal?

domd
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[dvtimes]

i have to ask why you were advised of that?

Also..the nurse..unless she was posing in her uniform then surely there can have been no basis for dismissal?

domd
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If your a nurse, they can strike you off very easy. A non registered nurse is not a nurse.

If you want to see how easy it is to get struck off as a nurse, pick up any months NT (nursing times) magazine. Two get struck off for squeezing a patients spots. Another because she went into asda in her uniform.

Nursing is heavily catholic, so porn is a big no no.

When I was being trained, you get told that as a nurse you are above everybody else.

[dvtimes]

If your a nurse, they can strike you off very easy. A non registered nurse is not a nurse.

If you want to see how easy it is to get struck off as a nurse, pick up any months NT (nursing times) magazine. Two get struck off for squeezing a patients spots. Another because she went into asda in her uniform.

Nursing is heavily catholic, so porn is a big no no.

When I was being trained, you get told that as a nurse you are above everybody else.
Sorry.

Forgot to say that in the NT (nursing times) there is a section that lists who has been struck off that month.

[dvtimes]

and to give some serious reply too :D ...




awesome. let us know where you are? must be paradise if ID's of any sort are always 100% non fake.



what part of official institution didn't you get?



as long as you are in the EU, you never know what hits you. alone the constant push from Sweden to tighten the rules on adult material suggest there may be some shit ahead.



when exactly did i mention CP?



as long as it doesn't leave your house, it virtually doesn't exist.

how much more can one miss the point, i wonder?



i'm still a tad confused what your problem with doing porn is.



yes, and? people can drive cars without the licence, yet they get one.




complicate?
let's see, one standard ID vs. 2 various and different forms of ID

yeah, i can see where this makes it more complicated.



the keyword again being for oneself. whatever you do privately is not traceable, once you sell it, it becomes an issue.
the missed point question applies yet again.


ITo be honest, I do not see it being needed.

[JP]

ITo be honest, I do not see it being needed.
quality comeback... case dismissed... :blush:

[SimonQuinlank]

In your case this has been proven to be bullshit.

And your aversion to an ID scheme only emphasizes the fact that you DON'T get any ID for your models and you have shot underage models in the past.
Care to elaborate? Pretty hefty accusation.

[SimonQuinlank]

I'll stand by it, who here was around in 1999/2000 when Allans Senac forum was hacked and images of of two nude 16 year olds were put as a background ?

Allan is not all that he makes out !!!


http://www.be-seen-here.co.uk/forum_new2/index.php?topic=5.0
Dunno if i understand you - Someone hacked his site and uploaded dodgy images?

[SimonQuinlank]

Yes but the images were from his own site :) it ws a brilliant coup !
Thinking about it, it does ring a *very* vague bell - what was the outcome / his explanation?

[SimonQuinlank]

I couldn't possibly comment, but my own opinion would be %100 bullshit !
lol .. ok .. :)

check your pm's btw.

[cock-a-leekie]

so with all the back n forth on 2257 and the worries about giving out models' details, how wonderful would a porn actor licence be, similar to the prostitutes' one?

for those who aren't familiar with the concept, several countries treat prostitutes and prostitution as something completely normal (well gosh, eh?)
a common concept is, that prostitutes are registered and get a licence. now if they are checked up on by police, they whip out said licence and that's it, assuming it's not outdated.
this also helps making sure they have their regular health checks, which is good for them and their customers and on top of that they are often registered with the taxman and social insurance, so they may even get a pension one day.

what speaks against having a similar system for adult models? the licence would not have to sport much more than their stage name, a photo, some sort of membership number and every content producer and content buyer could check back if he/she is registered and legal. no licence, no shooting.

good thought, bad thought, workable?

I think that's a great idea in principle however, there’s a world of difference between a prostitute and an internet model.

I would liken the prostitute to a producer rather than the model. She has her clients much the same as the producer and in the interest of health and safety a licence is a necessity. I’m no expert but I would guess most prostitutes could earn £150+k a year, so if we adopted the continental approach I’m sure very few would jack it in to go work the tills at Tesco.

Most “amateur” models on the other hand don’t make shit in comparison, they just do it for a bit of extra cash. To professionalize the system with compulsory licences would make for a very familiar market indeed as the quick cash amateurs wouldn’t go to the trouble and expense of acquiring a licence and many “home models” would also shut up shop tomorrow.

It’s immaterial anyway, I don’t see it coming from this labour government (which is a good thing :) )

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I think that's a great idea in principle however, there’s a world of difference between a prostitute and an internet model.

I would liken the prostitute to a producer rather than the model. She has her clients much the same as the producer and in the interest of health and safety a licence is a necessity. I’m no expert but I would guess most prostitutes could earn £150+k a year, so if we adopted the continental approach I’m sure very few would jack it in to go work the tills at Tesco.

Most “amateur” models on the other hand don’t make shit in comparison, they just do it for a bit of extra cash. To professionalize the system with compulsory licences would make for a very familiar market indeed as the quick cash amateurs wouldn’t go to the trouble and expense of acquiring a licence and many “home models” would also shut up shop tomorrow.

It’s immaterial anyway, I don’t see it coming from this labour government (which is a good thing :) )


again, please do not get hooked up on the prostitutes part, it's merely to explain the basic scheme and to show that this system can work, as it's already being run in several nations.

if the worry is that amateur models won't go for it because of the costs, what keeps a producer from getting him/her the licence as an entry gift to the biz? (heck, that might save us from loads of 'i just shot this new babe, what do you think of her' threads)
surely if you are convinced he/she can make you some nice money, that should be in there. if you worry they flake out again, without doing proper shootings first, have it in the contract, model for me or refund me your licence fees if you flake out.

i'm also pretty sure that if you communicate the big plus for models, which is their personal details not being available to everyone that books them for a shooting and also not to every buyer of the content, they should be delighted.

i fully agree on the world of difference between a prostitute and an internet model, no doubt there. however this was never the point, as i explained earlier. what we also should not forget is, there are other ways of peddling porn than the web. enough web content gets used for magazines as well and the other way round, same for videos being broadcasted on TV/Pay TV and sold on VHS and DVD. not to foregt mobiel porn on phones and devices like Sony's PSP, 5 porn flicks for that are being released in Japan these days.

[dvtimes]

To be honest in theory, its a good idea.

But practically I think it would be hard to run.

First is there enough people in the Uk in porn to make it worth while? I am not even sure you would hit a thousand people.

I think that if something like this could work, it would be running in the USA.

The administration would be a nightmare. Just think about how many hiv certificates will be produced each year per model.

something like this may just simply skim off a lot of models, who would just stick to solo work to save the hazel of getting a card.

And what if the photographer needed to contact the model? He will still need some form of ID to show her address. For instance you do a g/g shoot. 3 months later one model says she fell in your studio and broke her leg, you will need to contact the other model as a witness.

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And what if the photographer needed to contact the model? He will still need some form of ID to show her address. For instance you do a g/g shoot. 3 months later one model says she fell in your studio and broke her leg, you will need to contact the other model as a witness.


so where ever you are one breaks a leg and does not visit the next hospital to have it fixed right away, hence producing a medical record? one waits 3 months?

also, if such a strange case would happen, you'd contact the same institution who told you before the shoot that both models are clear to work. they most likely know where to find their members. ;)