CamSense new Terms&Conditions

[dvtimes]

CamSense new Terms&Conditions

01.12.2009

Effective 1 December, 2009, CamSense, the adult affiliate program of CC Network, has implemented some important changes to its terms & conditions. We encourage you to check out the full terms & conditions and please let us know any additional questions you have. Address your questions to help@camsense.com (help@camsense.com) and we will get back to you promptly. We appreciate your partnership and look forward to a successful New Year with you.

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2. If a visitor who is not a current qualified spender on one of the CC Network of sites (one who has not actively used a CC Network site within the past six months) uses your link to visit the CC Network of sites and then registers as a qualified spender the affiliate is entitled up to 40% of all the net spending from that member for the entire period of his active membership (See Programs) (http://www.camsense.com/prevenuesharing.html), provided that you continue to be an active affiliate.



(2.1). An active affiliate ("Active Affiliate") of CamSense, the administrator of the affiliate programs for the CCNetwork of sites, for this purpose is:

One whose qualified spenders do not, in the aggregate, exceed chargebacks of 1 ½ % over a one (1) month period.
One who has complied with the CamSense Customer Identification requirements set forth herein within thirty (30) days after becoming an affiliate or within sixty (60) days from a request by CC Network for such compliance for existing affiliates.
One who delivers at minimum five (5) qualified spenders per month to a CC Network site,

(2.2). CamSense has the option to discontinue the payouts for your referred visitors who have become qualified spenders on a CC Network site upon your failure to meet the criteria for an Active Affiliate over a two (2) month period.
(2.3). Net spending shall mean the fees paid by the referred member to a CC Network site less refunds and chargebacks for such member, and chargeback fees and penalties assessed by the credit card associations against a CC Network merchant account caused by or resulting from, in whole or in part, excessive chargebacks by the members referred by you as a group.
(2.4). For Chathosts who also refer traffic through CamSense, the administrator of the affiliate programs for the CC Network, the following terms also apply:

If a visitor who is not a current qualified spender on one of the CC Network of sites (one who has not actively used a CC Network site within the past six months) uses your link to visit the CC Network of sites and then registers as a qualified spender, the referring Chathost is entitled to earn up to 30% on everything they spend on sessions with other Chathosts, provided that the Chathost continues to be an active Chathost.
An active Chathost of the CC Network of sites, for this purpose is: One who has conducted live video sessions on CamContacts.com or a CC Network site at least once within a sixty (60) day period, and who conforms to age verification and all other Chathost terms & conditions.

[dvtimes]

Note this line "One who delivers at minimum five (5) qualified spenders per month to a CC Network site".

Thus if you send less than 5 per month your stuffed.

[Damian]

Note this line "One who delivers at minimum five (5) qualified spenders per month to a CC Network site".

Thus if you send less than 5 per month your stuffed.

Start with another sponsor then. Webcams.com are lovely. I recommend them. With no aff link.

[dvtimes]

Start with another sponsor then. Webcams.com are lovely. I recommend them. With no aff link.

i do promote them.

the thing is, i like many people have for years been promoting camcontacts and have always added a banner on all the small sites i set up.

it would take a month to remove them, its hardly worth the bother.

and sounds of it others have done the same, so its a rather sneaky thing to do.

oh well.

[SGS]

Copy and paste from another board.

You need to outsource your spam posts now to lift them above "moron" status?

[Gnomick]

I have promoted CamSense (CamContacts...) for 6 or 7 years and I wasn't unhappy, but with the new rules of them... I have to find a new partner, and I will do it tonight. Also I have to change a lot of sites, but I will spend this time because I am not interesting in to support such greedy guys (a new management?) anymore.

I am pissed off of this company... and they are still promoting their site with "... LIFETIME Revenue Share Program ...". Lifetime means just 30 or 60 days for them. Nobody should support them anymore, CamSense Revenue Share Program is a NO WAY, do not loose your time and your money ... choose another company.

With the email (the new rules) what I have got last night I will not support them anymore, and I have to say that each company is better than companies like this.

[Scotty.T]

It's not the first time this has happened. There was another prog did the same a couple of years ago!

[Gnomick]

Somebody know a alternate service which offer the same like CamContacts/CamSense(less) did before? Like I said, I want to change all links today.

[Gnomick]

It's not the first time this has happened. There was another prog did the same a couple of years ago!

One question Scotty ... This company is still alive and online?

[Scotty.T]

One question Scotty ... This company is still alive and online?

I believe so. Don't know if they are at the same level or not.

[Hony]

What's worrying me about this is that it implies their finances are not as strong as they once were. They want to be able to cut off old affiliates who no longer send much traffic but have old customers on the books. The only reason to do that is to save cash.

Previously I highly recommended this program; but I'm certainly reducing that recommendation and will start sending more traffic elsewhere.

And this is from someone who has been in their top 5 webmasters list every time for about the last two years.

[Simon]

Start with another sponsor then. Webcams.com are lovely. I recommend them. With no aff link.
What time will you be online performing today? And I don't mean the magic :gaylords:

[Damian]

What time will you be online performing today? And I don't mean the magic :gaylords:

Same as usual.

[hornymonkey]

this is to get rid of small webmasters who sends less than 10% of your sales and who take 90% of your time. But i still dont get it how camcontacts can convert

[royalblue]

Just had my first payment refused by Camcontacts. I don't think I have ever sent them 5 spenders in one month! But have generated over $100,000 dollars in sales over the last 5 years.

Have only just read the new terms, that email must have slipped by.

Wish I was a contract lawyer....lifetime payments my ass!

Now for the task of removing all the fiddly little links. Hope they go under!

Any suggestions for a replacement?

Cams.com or maybe webcams.com

RoyalB

[Damian]

webcams.com gets my vote

[wingless]

i second webcams.com pretty good conversion and have always paid me on time

[Gnomick]

Also my payment refused by Camcontacts... and they are still promote themself with 40% LIFETIME Revenue Share Program. I have made 6 or 7 years marketing for your company and with my work I have earned US $ 130,000.

I have to change 72.170 links now... I hate work, but sometimes it is necessary.

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/webcams.com (Alex Rank 6,917)
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/cams.com (Alex Rank 1,134)

What to choose?

I need a beer first of all :-)

[royalblue]

Ok looks like webcams.com

Does anyone know which programme would be best for an affiliate with a relativly low hit count. Rev share on Camsense(twats) worked well.

I saw that cams.com was part of Adult friend finder. I find their affiliate software a bit longwinded.

Cheers again!

Royal.

[johnnyborga]

I am pretty disappointed with camsense as well. I have been working with them for 9 years, and always recomended them. Not anymore!

I havent reached their new requirements as well and am removing all my links to them.

will probably choose AWE and webcams.com as my new sponsors. I hope many like us will boycot them and hope they feel the damage they did to themselves due to such greed.

[royalblue]

I think they will see a drop in their hits this month as I think today was the first payday where affiliates will not make the minimum and not get paid.

[dvtimes]

yes

i am not happy by this.

i am hoping that they change there minds due to webmasters moaning.

I got these emails off them:

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Dear Adam,

Thank you for contacting us.

Under the new T&Cs in order to continue receiving payments from CamSense, a person must either have a chathost account that complies with the "active chathost" requirement of conducting at least one live session in a 60-day period (CamSense T&Cs, clause 2.4), or a CamSense account that complies with the minimum traffic requirements (5 spenders per month).

Please read full Terms and Conditions here: http://camsense.com/termsandconditions.html

Unfortunately your account doesn't meet CamSense requirements. Your payments are suspended until the required spenders amount is reached.

Please let me know if you have any additional questions.
Best Regards,

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Dear Adam,

As I mentioned in the previous email your account doesn't meet CamSense requirements. Your payments are suspended until the required spenders amount is reached.

Please keep in mind that your CamSense account is not being closed.
Lifetime commissions (on new spenders only) will be reinstated right after you regain Active Affiliate status i.e. deliver at least 5 qualified spenders per month to a CC Network site.

Please read full Terms and Conditions here: http://camsense.com/termsandconditions.html


Best Regards,

[JT]

Didnt they close their uk office and make all their staff redundent and move to Russia a couple of years ago?

I think the writing is on the wall, and has been for a long time, if I was you I would forget it and move on.

Sounds like the last role of the dice in desperation to me

[JT]

yes

i am not happy by this.

i am hoping that they change there minds due to webmasters moaning.



I think you are hoping in vain.

[johnnyborga]

I only see positive feedback about AWE, but I am afraid they cheat too, just like Camsense. Should I trust them ? has anyone anything to say about them ?

[Gnomick]

About AWE, cams, etc...

In Germany we say smth like... You can stay more stable on two legs than on just one... For myself, I will make advertisement for two cam sites in the same time. I think that for my website it is important to have links to a webcam site, so why not to two different companies in the same time. If one would like to cheat me like Camsense.com has done today... I loose just 50%.

Beg your pardon to all, but after I have lost my CamContacts.com income today I can not come for to drink beer with crazy British webmasters.

[redwhiteandblue]

Beg your pardon to all, but after I have lost my CamContacts.com income today I can not come for to drink beer with crazy British webmasters.

It's free you know - but not that crazy.

Well not until TGITC arrives, anyway.

[dvtimes]

in truth i cannot see them sticking to the new t&c's as they make no sense.

i mean what they are saying is, if you do not get 5 new signups within a month, then they do not pay you but will roll the cash. so say in 12 months time you just ask 5 people to sign up then you get paid for the 12 months.

also affiliates will stop bothering to send them traffick.

this will mean that in time webcam girls will make less cash so move to other firms.

i would suspect that after people moan they may have no chose due to bad publicity.

[wingless]

chances are theve made this move because they cant afford to keep going the way they where so even with everyone pissed at them they wont payout

[TGITC]

It's free you know - but not that crazy.

Well not until TGITC arrives late, falls through the door slurring his speech, and vomits all over DVT's dog...

May as well start as I mean to go on... :noway2:

[JT]

chances are theve made this move because they cant afford to keep going the way they where so even with everyone pissed at them they wont payout

exactly, no point trying to explain that to divvy bollocks though

[royalblue]

in truth i cannot see them sticking to the new t&c's as they make no sense.

i mean what they are saying is, if you do not get 5 new signups within a month, then they do not pay you but will roll the cash. so say in 12 months time you just ask 5 people to sign up then you get paid for the 12 months.


This was in the email they sent to me..it seems that every time you do not qualify you lose your previous customers.

Please keep in mind that your CamSense account is not being closed.
Lifetime commissions (on new spenders only) will be reinstated right after you regain Active Affiliate status i.e. deliver at least 5 qualified spenders per month to a CC Network site.

This will only affect small time affiliates with little or no legal power. If anyone wants to start a class action I'll sign up!

[johnnyborga]

in truth i cannot see them sticking to the new t&c's as they make no sense.

i mean what they are saying is, if you do not get 5 new signups within a month, then they do not pay you but will roll the cash. so say in 12 months time you just ask 5 people to sign up then you get paid for the 12 months.

also affiliates will stop bothering to send them traffick.

this will mean that in time webcam girls will make less cash so move to other firms.

i would suspect that after people moan they may have no chose due to bad publicity.

I dont Think so, They told me that the cash would be lost forever, the cash will not roll. I wont send them any traffic anymore. I cannot trust them, and I have reasons to believe they might have ripped me

[royalblue]

Hi again,

Can anyone recommend which payout structure for webcams.com would be better for a lowish traffic affiliate?

Cheers,

R.

[dvtimes]

I dont Think so, They told me that the cash would be lost forever, the cash will not roll. I wont send them any traffic anymore. I cannot trust them, and I have reasons to believe they might have ripped me
well thats sucks.

i presumed it would roll.

so why would anyone promote them unless they have enough traffick to bring in 5 sign ups per month. but what is to say they will not increase that to 10, then 15 or more.

[johnnyborga]

About AWE, cams, etc...

In Germany we say smth like... You can stay more stable on two legs than on just one... For myself, I will make advertisement for two cam sites in the same time. I think that for my website it is important to have links to a webcam site, so why not to two different companies in the same time. If one would like to cheat me like Camsense.com has done today... I loose just 50%.

Beg your pardon to all, but after I have lost my CamContacts.com income today I can not come for to drink beer with crazy British webmasters.

Yes you are right, I will work with 2 different companies, I guess AWE and webcams.com seem ok.

I have lost all my lifetime member with Camsense because I do not intend to send them customers anymore. Just removed all links to them and starting to work with the new ones

[dvtimes]

Yes you are right, I will work with 2 different companies, I guess AWE and webcams.com seem ok.

I have lost all my lifetime member with Camsense because I do not intend to send them customers anymore. Just removed all links to them and starting to work with the new ones
its so anoying as i have been promoting them for years.

it feels like i am having to start from scratch.

[johnnyborga]

well thats sucks.

i presumed it would roll.

so why would anyone promote them unless they have enough traffick to bring in 5 sign ups per month. but what is to say they will not increase that to 10, then 15 or more.


Yes that really sucks, They only want big sharks and I am not a big fish, I dont have such traffic, never found the best way to get a large quality traffic for camsense, but was trying to build it.

They do not want 5 signups per month, they want 5 qualified spenders per month

[smoothballs]

every camsense affiliate email them back!, all with a similar worded email (ok some waiting for payments might not wanna)

Dear Camsense

Due to your near impossible TOS in this present economic climate, I feel it is no longer viable or profitable to do business with you, when other excellent cam sites are,with no change of TOS on their part, or do they feel the need to change them as you have done.

Your Sincerely

Ex camsense affiliate


see how many of their faces go grey if they got such a email en masse! :)

[Gnomick]

My English isn't so good like yours, my langauge is another language, but do not forget...

1. I (may you too) have joined CamSense.com because they have said I will paid "Lifetime", I wasn't and I am still not interesting in fast money, I prefer a stable income for a long time.

2. And now we make a cut... New sign-ups they will be for sure for "Lifetime" they say now - the first 7 years where just a "test drive", or what?

3. Now I have to send 5 spenders each month, qualified spenders (whatever it means, spenders who spend 100, 1000, 10,000 etc Pound)

About the rollover... I make advertisement, and advertisement ... and at the end I will listen to smth else... They have lost their good reputation today.

By the way... I think that the company is located in Latvia, Lituania,... if somebody need to know it, I can find it out fast.

Since today I think that what they have done today... they will do in the future again.

I have told them to close my account.

[Damian]

My English isn't so good like yours, my langauge is another language, but do not forget...


Your English is better than many native English speakers that post here man!

[JT]

see how many of their faces go grey if they got such a email en masse! :)

You are still not getting it are you :)

[royalblue]

These are the camsense corporate websites.

http://www.ccmedialive.com

http://www.ccmedianetwork.com/

Minimal to say the least.

[smoothballs]

You are still not getting it are you :)

um...its already happening? lol

[wingless]

um...its already happening? lol

they knew when they sent the email out that they would lose most if not all the people that arnt hitting the payout threshold anyway, so telling them your not going to promote them wont make any difference

[johnnyborga]

whatever happens, wether they remove this stupid policy or not, I lost my trust on them, I will not give them any new customer from now on. They are too greedy and I hope they will pay the price for that. I really am pissed off with that situation, I was proud I made some good money with them, now everything is lost and I will have to start from the scratch, at least this will be a lesson I will never forget.

All I hope is that they loose a big amount of affiliates and learn it the hard way.

[smoothballs]

they knew when they sent the email out that they would lose most if not all the people that arnt hitting the payout threshold anyway, so telling them your not going to promote them wont make any difference

Doh! :banghead:
sorry I got blinkers on tonight! :)

[royalblue]

I didn't send them many hits but still made them over 12k a year.

If only 100 small affiliates leave thats over a million bucks!

[Gnomick]

The company is loacated in Latvia, most of the guys and girls who made our payments are located in Latvia... and compared with our countries they really have financial crises. Maybe they need each cent now, or they are just greedy Russians.

Good night from Berlin :meinsmiley:

[johnnyborga]

I didn't send them many hits but still made them over 12k a year.

If only 100 small affiliates leave thats over a million bucks!

You can bet on it, I made them a similar amount per year, and I am sure they will loose a good amount of money, despite they steel so many members from us.

[Gnomick]

I also think that they know before what they do, I also think that they have made calculation... but I am sure that they have forgotten what we can do.

I have changed the link on one of my websites (Gnomick People for those who are interesting in, with a PR2) from the direction to camsense(less) to the direction of this thread. My job was and is to make marketing on the web, and I am not bad with it... tomorrow I will do the same on all of my websites. It will be a good marketing for this site, this thread and our experience with this company, and I am sure that (with the help of Google & Co.) people who want to find information about camsense(less) will find also what we have written today.

And pls be not too angry with my last (Adolf) post, but such images are strictly forbidden for to use here in Germany, and I would like to do it once :-)

[dvtimes]

i loged in to my account:

#191008: Cancelled affiliate payment - Min. required not met

[Gnomick]

Welcome to the club dvtimes :-(

[royalblue]

I have changed the link on one of my websites (Gnomick People for those who are interesting in, with a PR2) from the direction to camsense(less) to the direction of this thread.

Just seen your site Gnomick, you have a lot of links to change! I thought I was pissed off!

Good luck.

[Gnomick]

I have to change exactly 70,168 links on all of my websites ... most of them are easy to change, but some of them are handmade. "F...".

[Damian]

i loged in to my account:

#191008: Cancelled affiliate payment - Min. required not met

Must be a common thing for you.

[royalblue]

http://www.ccnetwork.com/index.html

I like the bit where it says '25% commission on sales....Forever'

anyone know anyhting about Hong Kong law?

[TGITC]

http://www.ccnetwork.com/index.html

I like the bit where it says '25% commission on sales....Forever'

anyone know anyhting about Hong Kong law?

Whoops... You forgot your affiliate link !






J/K :bandb:

[StrokeKing]

Start with another sponsor then. Webcams.com are lovely. I recommend them. With no aff link.

can you explain further about webcams.com? if you wont mind

[johnnyborga]

Did you guys check feneral forum at Camcontacts? it seems there is a large amount of posts flood there, Can you guess why ? I dont know about you, but I think I ll join the party

[johnnyborga]

sorry I meant general

[Guest]

So, if you don't have five 'qualified spenders' in a month, you lose all your commissions? If that's accurate, it's pretty harsh, but if that's a policy they want to introduce going forward then that's up to them, nobody has to promote them.

However, I doubt there's a court anywhere which would think it fair you could lose commissions from customers referred prior to the revised T&Cs because it's quite clearly a breach of the contract formed when those customers first registered.

While the company is perfectly entitled to change its T&Cs at any time, changing T&Cs CANNOT alter the terms of contracts entered into before the change. If it could, it would render the very concept of a contract meaningless.

Presumably though someone has made a calculation that the people who will get cut-off probably aren't going to challenge this in the courts...

[johnnyborga]

So, if you don't have five 'qualified spenders' in a month, you lose all your commissions? If that's accurate, it's pretty harsh, but if that's a policy they want to introduce going forward then that's up to them, nobody has to promote them.

However, I doubt there's a court anywhere which would think it fair you could lose commissions from customers referred prior to the revised T&Cs because it's quite clearly a breach of the contract formed when those customers first registered.

While the company is perfectly entitled to change its T&Cs at any time, changing T&Cs CANNOT alter the terms of contracts entered into before the change. If it could, it would render the very concept of a contract meaningless.

Presumably though someone has made a calculation that the people who will get cut-off probably aren't going to challenge this in the courts...

Yes you are right, it's up to them if they decided to steal from us. I dont believe courts would solve this, what I believe is that they made a calculation about how much they would loose in new signups by kicking out lots of affiliates and how much they will earn stealing their comissions. They probably found it would be positive to them loosing the affiliates and steal their comissions. I just hope they are wrong

[royalblue]

Presumably though someone has made a calculation that the people who will get cut-off probably aren't going to challenge this in the courts...

Spot on, especially since the terms are governed by Hong Kong law.

[royalblue]

sorry I meant general

Couldn't find the posts, guess they have been removed.!

[johnnyborga]

Couldn't find the posts, guess they have been removed.!

last replie of page 3, but nevermind, it probably was a bad idea

[Guest]

Spot on, especially since the terms are governed by Hong Kong law.

That doesn't really mean anything. They're trading worldwide so can be taken to court anywhere where their affiliates are based. The difficulty comes in enforcing any judgement.

[johnnyborga]

They wont last long, they choose the wrong way and will burry themselves

[Damian]

They wont last long, they choose the wrong way and will burry themselves

I'm sure they are shitting themselves.

[JT]

http://www.ccnetwork.com/index.html

I like the bit where it says '25% commission on sales....Forever'

anyone know anyhting about Hong Kong law?

Well I know you have as about as much chance forcing them to pay you in Hong Kong as you do where they are all actually based, which is in Russia and the Ukraine.


Dont want to be the bearer of bad news, but you have been knocked, dont waste your time throwing good money or energy after bad.

[JT]

I'm sure they are shitting themselves.

I went out to lunch one with the bloke from 3 way cash, your mate, whotshisname, and a bird who worked at camcontacts, or did till they made her redundent and moved to russia.

All she ate was treacle pudding, odd girl.

[royalblue]

Well I know you have as about as much chance forcing them to pay you in Hong Kong as you do where they are all actually based, which is in Russia and the Ukraine.


Dont want to be the bearer of bad news, but you have been knocked, dont waste your time throwing good money or energy after bad.

We know that. We are pissed off, this is a way of venting our anger. Not as good as a kick in the teeth, but these forums do prevent violence sometimes. It will wear off soon and we will be pissed off at someone else.

[royalblue]

previous edit: wrong forum and wrong poster, apologies!

[Gnomick]

My CamSense.com, CamContacts.com ... account (179055) was deleted today (after 8 or 9 years advertisement for them)

Enter your Webmaster ID and your password at the top of the screen to sign in.
Error: Invalid username/password

My it is possible to get the money what they owe to me by a court, but doesn't matter ... I prefer to spend the money what it will cost into "bad" advertisement for them, it is more funny for me.

[Guest]

They wont last long, they choose the wrong way and will burry themselves

On the other hand, the prospect of losing recurring commissions would surely give any affiliate a moment of pause before switching to another cam provider, so it does kind of lock them in to CamSense, rather than drive them away.

[Gnomick]

Yes, you are right... BUT ... If they will change her mind in the next days again back to what they have provided to us in the past ... For me it is not possible to go back to them, because I have lost my confidence into this company.

[Guest]

For me it is not possible to go back to them, because I have lost my confidence into this company.

It's not possible for you to go back to them because they deleted your account ;)

[Gnomick]

Yes :-)

Because I have told it for them.

And this is a sign for me that they do not think about to change it back... just for information to all.

If they are really Russians/Ukrainians - like someone said here - they never will change their mind again, this is what I can tell after 52 times Russia, and 4 years of living in Ukraine (as a German). They are too greedy and they everytime tink that they do not need you - after a time.

[Camsensatemyhamster]

I've been reading the comments on here after a search today.
I have also had payments cancelled and account deactivated.

On the issue of 'class actions' the previous comment regarding contracts is correct and there appears to be grounds for legal recourse.

If you do your own research into the matter and find the same I believe there is very strong case for a class action.

Any further comments welcomed.

[Gnomick]

What the hell is a "class action", I am German native :-(

[johnnyborga]

I am Portuguese native, but I guess class auction means taking them to justice or something like that.

Anyway, I dont believe it would bring us any result or benefit.

They stole from us, so I wish we could find a way to steel their members and have some profit. I am sure they wouldnt keep laughing at us.

[royalblue]

'Class Action' is when a group of people join together and take legal action usually through one solicitor/lawyer to save costs.

[johnnyborga]

'Class Action' is when a group of people join together and take legal action usually through one solicitor/lawyer to save costs.

Thanks, I am always learning

[Gnomick]

Has someone taken a look to the business partners list of ccmedialive.com?

There are names like: Transact Group, Cherry Sauce, Interactive World PLC, The Cellcast Group, Players Network, iCit America ... and all of them are mobile operators, etc.

I am not in the management of CC Media ... but I can imagine that it is much more lucrative to offer a service in a closed network of a mobile phone operator (monopoly) than to share a market with other companies and such "small" guys like us. And if the strategy is that to build up a monopoly... they have to cut all business relationships on the web... may be it is not possible to cancel business relations with leading websites in our industry... but if this is the stategy, they will do it too - one day. So, we are just the first.

[royalblue]

Hi,

I have finished removing all links to Camsense and replaced them with my new cam affiliate.

After a few days I am still sending hits to camsense? is there an explanation for this? There are definately no live links on any of my sites.

Cheers,

Royal.

[mOBSCENE]

Hi,

I have finished removing all links to Camsense and replaced them with my new cam affiliate.

After a few days I am still sending hits to camsense? is there an explanation for this? There are definately no live links on any of my sites.

Cheers,

Royal.

Some idiot has stolen your text at some point and kept your ref links in?

Or, sometimes, I find my ref links are picked up direct by Google, so someone searches for x, y or z, and gets my ref link pointing to the sponsor's site...

[royalblue]

Or, sometimes, I find my ref links are picked up direct by Google, so someone searches for x, y or z, and gets my ref link pointing to the sponsor's site...

Cheers, I thought that may be part of it.

[Gnomick]

"I have finished removing all links to Camsense and replaced them with my new cam affiliate."

And now you have to wait till Google & Co. have done the same... I think that we will send links to CamSense.com, CamContacts.com,... for the next weeks, month... but each day they loose more and more :-)

Relax, and forget this company.

[dvtimes]

with them not paying, it has realy shafted me this week.

[Guest]

with them not paying, it has realy shafted me this week.

I suggested to Camsense that they change their stats reporting so that affiliates can see how many 'qualified spenders' they have in the period. That at way at least people will be able to see if they're likely to lose their payouts. To do so without warning is harsh.

[Gnomick]

Do not loose your time with emails to them... change your links, and stop loosing money.

[Guest]

I haven't lost any money...

[Gnomick]

I am sure that you loose each day money... you will see it at the end (in the moment where also you will be kicked out).

I do not wish it for you... but I am sure that they will.

[Guest]

It's perfectly possible that they will stop my payouts, but if they did that I would just have a little moan then move on to another provider. It's not the end of the world.

In the meantime, it would be senseless to pull the links as that would stop my payouts.

[Gnomick]

Don't understand me wrong ... I do not wish it to you.

But you should not forget to new T&C ... and I think that they will kick out each, step by step.

[royalblue]

In the meantime, it would be senseless to pull the links as that would stop my payouts.

The bad thing about the new terms are if you fail to meet them in any month you will lose all your lifetime customers you have previously signed up. I only had a few so it was pocket money (but very handy!). It's a lesson learnt though!

[johnnyborga]

I moved to Livejasmin and to webcams.com, I know it is still soon to see results, but those dont seem to convert as good as camsense. I dont have much traffic but somehow, those webcam providers never converted for me in the past. Feeling a little disappointed, not sure i will make any cent with them

[royalblue]

I moved to Livejasmin and to webcams.com, I know it is still soon to see results, but those dont seem to convert as good as camsense. I dont have much traffic but somehow, those webcam providers never converted for me in the past. Feeling a little disappointed, not sure i will make any cent with them

Johnny, how do you get on with LSA(AWE)? Are they any good? Dont worry! AWE is Live Jasmine. I've just noticed.

[johnnyborga]

Johnny, how do you get on with LSA(AWE)? Are they any good? Dont worry! AWE is Live Jasmine. I've just noticed.

I m trying both, dont know yet if they are good for me

[probids]

I have been affiliate since 2004 and it just makes no sense. They say some affiliates are working harder than others! Well that is why they get bigger cheques. I write them trying to offer some common sense in business but they do not have a clue. If anyone on the planet had an affiliate program would you rather 50 good hard working affiliates making you 20 million a year or 300 affiliates making you 40 million. It makes no sense at all and in the next 3 to 5 years we will see camcontacts lose profits and eventually die off. It is the dumbest marketing decision by any net company I have heard of. They rob the very people that made them viable. I have tried contacting camcontacts but get no response it just again makes no business sense.

My letter one of them to jonathon jenkins

Congratulations Jonathon your new terms have been labeled one of the greatest jokes of marketing on the net. Do you read the forums?

Just do a google search on "CAMSENSE AFFILIATE SCAM"

You guys really dont see this do you?

Anyone on the planet would rather have 400 affiliates making them 40 million a year than 50 good affiliates MAKING THEM 20 million a year.

I am dying to hear from someone with half a brain there. how in the world did you come up with a plan to think profits would increase by scaming affiliates out of commissions. Do you understand there are affiliate forums and now the camsense affiliate program is seen as a scam. You have pissed off the majority of your affiliates and now are seen as a scam which deters other affiliates from joining.

AGAIN HOW DID THIS COME ABOUT IT IS SO STUPID IT IS FUNNY????

GARY MCDONALD

[Damian]

Guys, do you not get it? They do not care.

So stop getting wound up, sign up for webcams, or whatever, and start over. The time and effort spent bitching about this could be spent much more productively, as clearly they don't care.

[probids]

I just bought two new domains striphilo and ozcams to market camcontacts. I was using and always did use the affiliate payments and then discovered the new rule. Not sure about you Damian but I would rather stand up and have a say then just move on when some ass scams me. If nobody says anything then they will not give a shit as you say. I am trying to find out if they are a separate identity to camcontacts and only run the affiliate program or is it one company? It could be they are reducing profits to launder money internally remember they are Russian so not as stupid as it sounds. They now have registered offices in various countries so affiliates should contact trade delegates anywhere they have offices they will have to respond. Anyone that walks away without a fight might as well grab a live webcam a dildoe and go to work on their site with themselves.

[Damian]

I just bought two new domains striphilo and ozcams to market camcontacts. I was using and always did use the affiliate payments and then discovered the new rule. Not sure about you Damian but I would rather stand up and have a say then just move on when some ass scams me. If nobody says anything then they will not give a shit as you say. I am trying to find out if they are a separate identity to camcontacts and only run the affiliate program or is it one company? It could be they are reducing profits to launder money internally remember they are Russian so not as stupid as it sounds. They now have registered offices in various countries so affiliates should contact trade delegates anywhere they have offices they will have to respond. Anyone that walks away without a fight might as well grab a live webcam a dildoe and go to work on their site with themselves.

OK. Rather than spend your time building your new sites with those way awesome domains you bought, spend time writing posts here.

I am sure they read the board and after seeing your posts they will change their minds and carry on accepting sales from small affiliates. *











*Possible sarcasm

[JT]

I have been affiliate since 2004 and it just makes no sense.

It makes absolute perfect sense. They have worked out that steeling everyones rebills will net them far more money than the new sales they are likely to get in a declining market.

[psl]

It makes absolute perfect sense. They have worked out that steeling everyones rebills will net them far more money than the new sales they are likely to get in a declining market.


Lol. So true.

[probids]

Stealing rebills? I notice though every time I send a mail out to my members spending is up at camcontacts. If I do not send mailouts spending is zero so I have maybe become upset for little reason I simply will not do anymore mail outs and they can keep 100% of zero rather than 85% of something. I do not see this as a declining market either if you have an honest product it will sell. This is why people still call 1900 numbers yes there is no declining market? It is simple business and nobody understands this simple concept better than coke. They continue to pour profits back into their marketing their products including profit shares for sales people. If they did what camsense did they would be gone also within a few years. Camsense prior to Dec were Coke in this industry and now they have shot and killed themselves. Just like cancer they will learn this when it is to late too respond.

[Ebonypru]

This time last week, I thought I was with Camsense/camcontacts for life. I thought the some total of my efforts would mean more than these newly installed terms and conditions. In one 12 month period, my five accounts collectively sent the programme $116,223.88. I have been with them since 2003. Go figure.

In the last two week pay-cycle, two of my accounts sent them six new sign ups. I have no way of knowing if these sign ups spent anything or not.

Yesterday, I discovered that $667.47 was deducted from my earnings - only one of my accounts met the terms and conditions.

I am spending the day removing their links from my twitter account, two blogs, and five web sites. Even my 404 error pages had been modified to serve their banners!

If I, as an employee, had a member of staff bringing $116,223.88 to the table in one twelve month period, I'd be a very happy employee, especially if that member of staff were one of hundreds, maybe thousands doing similar.

Pru

[Damian]

If I, as an employee, had a member of staff bringing $116,223.88 to the table in one twelve month period, I'd be a very happy employee, especially if that member of staff were one of hundreds, maybe thousands doing similar.
Pru

Send some of my sites that cash and I will be very nice to you. :)

www.3wayscash.com

:D

[S.D.]

I do well with These (http://www.webcams.com/affiliate/?ref=SuperDomme) if you're looking for an alternative.

They pay on time everytime & they too will be very nice to you.

:)

[JT]

This time last week, I thought I was with Camsense/camcontacts for life. I thought the some total of my efforts would mean more than these newly installed terms and conditions. In one 12 month period, my five accounts collectively sent the programme $116,223.88. I have been with them since 2003. Go figure.

In the last two week pay-cycle, two of my accounts sent them six new sign ups. I have no way of knowing if these sign ups spent anything or not.

Yesterday, I discovered that $667.47 was deducted from my earnings - only one of my accounts met the terms and conditions.

I am spending the day removing their links from my twitter account, two blogs, and five web sites. Even my 404 error pages had been modified to serve their banners!

If I, as an employee, had a member of staff bringing $116,223.88 to the table in one twelve month period, I'd be a very happy employee, especially if that member of staff were one of hundreds, maybe thousands doing similar.

Pru

I really doubt they have a choice, everything they are doing to me, smacks of the last roll of the dice to keep going. I would question if I thought they will even be here in 12 months. This is something you do when you are desperate.

[Ebonypru]

Thanks for the recommendations, guys!

Is any one here with Ifriends affiliate programme? Is it any good?

Pru

[Damian]

God, not seen that name for years. I used to wank on that before I got into porn.

[ukwebmasters]

hi all,

I left the adult biz a few years ago but my camcontacts traffic brought c. $130 / month - a residual income. so, what happened? no sales for 2 months, plenty of zeros. I asked JONATHAN JENKINS of camsense and he said that they've changed their T&C's:

(pardon my reply at the top!) :::

so you are pocketing my members and earnings.
that's going all over the AWM boards as of tonight. fucking scamming skimming pricks.

Marketing@camsense.com wrote:

> Dear Peter,
>
> Thank you for contacting us.
>
> Under the new CamSense Terms & Conditions (Effective Date: December 1, 2009) in order to continue receiving payments from CamSense, a person must either have a CamSense account that complies with the minimum traffic requirements i.e. to deliver at least 5 qualified spenders per month; or chathost account that complies with the "active chathost" requirement of conducting at least one live session in a 60-day period.
>
> Please be aware that the new CamSense Terms & Conditions were implemented on December 1, 2009. Every affiliate received an email detailing the changes on December 1, the announcement was posted on CamSense News Section and the terms were posted on the Camsense site on the same day. You will note that the new terms clearly state that CamSense has the option to discontinue the payouts for your referred visitors who have become qualified spenders on a CC Network site upon your failure to meet the criteria for an Active Affiliate over a two (2) month period.
> Please read full Terms and Conditions here: http://camsense.com/termsandconditions.html
>
> For the last 60 days you delivered 3 spenders to CC Network sites . Unfortunately this means that currently your account doesn't meet CamSense requirements and you forfeit the commissions from the lifetime revenue of past spenders.
>
> Lifetime commissions on new spenders will be reinstated right after you regain Active Affiliate status i.e. deliver at least 5 qualified spenders per month to a CC Network site.
>
> We thank you for your efforts over the years and sincerely hope that you return to active status so that we may continue our work together.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Jonathan Jenkins
> CamSense Account Manager

so yes, they are pocketing all the cash from guys who gave them their credit details because of our hard work - many of whom continue to earn money for camcontacts; but not for us anymore.

keywords: CAMSENSE SCAM / CAMSENSE SKIMMING SKIMMERS / CAMSENSE CON / SCAMMER SCAM JONATHAN JENKINS CON MERCHANT JONATHAN JENKINS CON ARTIST /

nice :-(

[Gnomick]

What do you think... they cheat us, and their clients too? I can imagine that such a company takes money from credit cards ... for nothing.

Here are the actual server stats of

CamSense.com
- http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/Camsense.com

CamContacts.com
- http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/CamContacts.com

CamContactos.es
- http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/CamContactos.es

WebCamLife.com
- http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/WebCamLife.com

TopTeenWebCams.com
- http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/topteenwebcams.com

LesbianRooms
- http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/lesbianrooms.com

CamSexNow.com
- http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/camsexnow.com

On all these servers they are loosing more and more clients (and now we have some more keywords [and ideas] on this site [and later on Google too] here).

Only on sites RussianWomanCam.com and StripHilo.com they have some more ... but I am sure that it is just a question of time. Also they normal users will see that they charge credit cards for nothing.

:-)

[dvtimes]

What do you think... they cheat us, and their clients too? I can imagine that such a company takes money from credit cards ... for nothing.

Here are the actual server stats of

CamSense.com
- http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/Camsense.com

CamContacts.com
- http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/CamContacts.com

CamContactos.es
- http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/CamContactos.es

WebCamLife.com
- http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/WebCamLife.com

TopTeenWebCams.com
- http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/topteenwebcams.com

LesbianRooms
- http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/lesbianrooms.com

CamSexNow.com
- http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/camsexnow.com

On all these servers they are loosing more and more clients (and now we have some more keywords [and ideas] on this site [and later on Google too] here).

Only on sites RussianWomanCam.com and StripHilo.com they have some more ... but I am sure that it is just a question of time. Also they normal users will see that they charge credit cards for nothing.

:-)
let it go.

at the end of the day everyone is finding they are not getting paid and so pulling links.

[Guest]

let it go.

at the end of the day everyone is finding they are not getting paid and so pulling links.

Not everyone...

[Damian]

Everyone pissed off here might want to read this

http://www.beerandbollocks.com/forum/showthread.php?p=296562#post296562

[Gnomick]

There are news from CamSense today... Till not not here, but at

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=675545

Somebody got already money from them?

[Damian]

There are news from CamSense today... Till not not here, but at

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=675545

Somebody got already money from them?

No but I got money from www.partychat.tv (www.partychat.tv/affiliate) promoting hot UK girls that surfers can pay to access from their phones!

[Gnomick]

No but I got money from www.partychat.tv (www.partychat.tv/affiliate) promoting hot UK girls that surfers can pay to access from their phones!


Yep, we already know it ... but this wasn't the question. :oldman:

[Damian]

Yep, we already know it ... but this wasn't the question. :oldman:

Oh. I thought you wanted to know of a good cam prog with high payouts, English girls, and 75% payments done via the phone! Which you can get at www.partychat.tv

You've not signed up for it, so I thought you might not be aware.

Sorry for the confusion!

[dvtimes]

Dear Webmasters,

In the next few days we will be reverting back to our original terms of service.

All legacy referrals will be honoured as regards outstanding commission payments both now and in the future.

Jonathan Jenkins has been dismissed as of May 31st. 2010.

All future enquiries regarding payments should be forwarded to my attention, Simon Forster at payments@camsense.com

Please log in to your Camsense account today. You will see your commission payments returned to account statistics and if not already paid yesterday by Epassporte or bank wire transfer, they will be paid today.

Best Wishes,

Simon Forster

Payments
http://www.camsense.com


i have not got this email.

i do hope its true.

if so i a super happy today.

[dvtimes]

i tried to log in but get: 503 Service Unavailable

[Gnomick]

i tried to log in but get: 503 Service Unavailable

Let us wait till tomorrow ... if they realy do it, they have a lot of work. We will see.

[dvtimes]

Let us wait till tomorrow ... if they realy do it, they have a lot of work. We will see.

i managed to log in.

now my stats have not changed.

now are they saying they will start paying us from any sales from now or will they inc all our old clients?

as i say stats show 0 as they removed all my old clients, but if they reverse this, it should mean i would see sales each day.

i am wondering if there system will allow update of old stats or if it will start from now?

but as i say i have not got this email. so mabe it will just apply to some affiliates and not all.

[dvtimes]

also i wonder how long (if this is true) it takes to kick in?

it may take months to sort out - or at least they may take months over it.

[Gnomick]

also i wonder how long (if this is true) it takes to kick in?

it may take months to sort out - or at least they may take months over it.

What I have posted was a posting somewhere else today ... I have not got it as an email.

I still can not log in.

But for sure, I need the log in only if they

1. Give me all income from the last month in one time
2. And I still have the same amount of users under my ID

If they do not give me what I had before, of if they do not want to give me what I have earned since this day ... I will not be a loyal partner again.

[Ebonypru]

I'm not sure I can ever trust them again. I already removed thousands of their links from my sites and blogs. I imagine their earnings took a hammering. But I never got that email.

[Ebonypru]

Personally, I think it's just a hoax. For something that serious, Camsense would have notified us directly, not posted it on one forum for us to hear about second hand.



but as i say i have not got this email. so mabe it will just apply to some affiliates and not all.

[dvtimes]

http://www.camsense.com/termsandconditions.html

the terms have not changed.

so i am wondering now.

[Gnomick]

Personally, I think it's just a hoax. For something that serious, Camsense would have notified us directly...

I think that this is the truth, and not what I have read today somewhere else.

[dvtimes]

i so hope its real.

oh well.

[dvtimes]

any more news on this?

[Damian]

any more news on this?

Adam

I know you are a spack and all, but let's have a think about it.

There is one thread on one board with one person claiming to have an email from them saying all is cool.

No one else has seen the mail, and no other boards are talking about it.

What fucking news are you expecting?

:D