Buying content

[Cardinal_Sin]

Although I do all my own stuff, I have recently been looking at buying in for making more fhg's and fhs's + bunging in a load of extras to the members area -
Normally, when I shoot, the session always follows a theme and starts at the beginning, teases and then concludes - Max 50 pics, normally round 30 -

Looking round the content supplyers, I find 200+ pics in a set (Shit - Do these shooters know something about boring a member to death?) to sets made up out of more than one set IE: http://www.adultczechcontent.com/sets/set1070/index.html
I could go on to knock the lighting - And a hell of a lot more about categorizing -
Every cunt is chasing the dollar so fucking hard, they have totally lost track about the most important needle in this thread - The surfer -
Content supplyers - Start learning what the paying customer wants - Not us webmasters looking for bigger deals for less cash - But what the end user wants - He wants to have a set of images that shows a start (that tempts him on) a middle (That makes him take his cock in hand) and a finish (that makes him spurt jizzz)
Nothing more, nothing less -
Stop filling out your sites with total crap and get real.


Sorry - Bit of a rant today coz jp took a tenner off me at pool the other night!

[JT]

I heard he took a tenner, but luckily you didnt have a tenner on you ;)

[WordsforHire]

jp?

[Cardinal_Sin]

I heard he took a tenner, but luckily you didnt have a tenner on you ;)
Yea-well-no-but. I had a tenner, but her at number 27 didn't tell me she'd been out with my friend and I know I didn't drink fuck all and I felt really funny bent over that table with him and his friends looking at my ass and I know the powder he was playing with was some kind of drug you know and you know what I mean when I say that kind of shit is bad anyway the cunt date drugged me and I couldn't see the fucking balls and even her at number 35 said jp's dad sells the stuff to tinkers and we all know jp tinkers here and there and other places too - I mean what sort of person works on his computer and craps at the same time and thinks of running a biz so he can employ cheap labour at his only French Wench shop and no, I didn't play him at pool well yes, I may have but it was that date rape drug he slipped into my drink before I even had one that made me feel realy whoooozie and I think you know, yes you, cos my brother said you know and even his friends who have never seen your picture on the jail walls all agree you know that jp likes his powder and yes, I agree, I am a tight cunt who never carries enough to pay my debts but one day, and I mean one day when the gold hits the shit bucket I will pay up but now the score is equal and next time I will put the powder in his drinks and jp's ass will be mine! Fuckering true, yes, no but yes, but yes it fucking will be, you ask Maisy, she knows a policeman.

[Geezer]

I have seen so many sets that look like the motorwind has stuck on. If you put them in a book and flipped they would be movies.

[JP]

Yea-well-no-but you ask Maisy, she knows a policeman.
I'll be round tomorrow dude to have some of whatever you've been smoking tonight ... heh .. :smoke:

[Paul Markham]

The problem is not with the content providers, it's with the people who buy from them.

Most want to know how many images they are getting, the cost per image seems more important than the content of the image. If buyer were more in tune with what their members or surfers needed then the guys shooting 10 pictures of exactly the same pose might not be in business.

Unfortunately too many buy purely on price or who is a "Cool" guy rather than what gets the surfers dick hard.

But fear not there are content providers who can supply a set of 100 different images. Here are two.

www.paulmarkham.com
www.bargainbasementcontent.com

[xcite-tv]

You were right about boardtracking then guys......

[nekrom]

Jup Pauls got a vaild point there. A lot of people shop by price instead of shopping for quality. My latest paysite I'm paying between $400 and $1k per 30min set and I'm as happy as a pig in shit.

-N

[Paul Markham]

One of the problems is the way the paysite market is structured. The aim of many is to concentrate more to convince the affiliate to send traffic rather than convince the traffic to spend money.

Considering the actual porn knowledge of most affiliates you can end up in a situation that appeals to them and not the guy who will spend $30 a month to view porn.

Affiliates often think they can earn money by promoting a niche they know little or nothing about, the most important thing is that the content is exclusive or the actual amount of content.

The surfers want stimulation, titillation and satisfaction. This comes from fulfilling a fantasy in his or her mind. A porn consumer is very likely to of been attracted to a certain niche and style for years and will know and understand it.

So sometimes you have the "Stick it up and throw mud at it so some can stick" selling to the "I need a very specific product to get me off". The result is often that they need to get more affiliates to send more traffic to stand still.

Because some sites are looking at the situation from the buyers point of view and finding higher conversions leads to more affiliates sending more traffic. The market is changing.

Five years ago this thread would have been laughed at, today it's discussed, tomorrow it will not even be considered because shooters who only point a camera will be gone.

[xcite-tv]

Five years ago this thread would have been laughed at, today it's discussed, tomorrow it will not even be considered because shooters who only point a camera will be gone.

Why will the "shooters who point a camera" be gone?

technology means they can take as good an image, still or moving as a seasoned pro...

dont get me wrong I have been into Photography pro and amateur since the days of the Nikon F and been making films when you did actually use film and have embraced technology as it comes along..

The biggest difference is what is put in front of that camera and how its translated to its final form..

Again i say...."Shit in, Shit out"

I know guys in the adult film world who have been doing it for 20 -30 years and they are so bad its laughable..

Its only going to get easier for novices to get a cheap camera make a film and now be able to broadcast it world-wide from their front room

and i think its great

[Paul Markham]

If photography or pornography were down to pointing a camera there would be a lot more people doing it.

As for porn I do a job most men would give their right arm to do and earn a very good living doing it. 5-6 hours with a nude female, camera and a few lights and I can produce enough content to turn over $5,000. So why are there only a a few hundred like me in the whole world?

Because producing porn is a lot more than pointing a camera. The digital technology it easier to get the image in focus, colour balance right and properly exposed but it will never give you the eye, personality or ability to turn photography into porn.

Exactly who are these guys?

I know guys in the adult film world who have been doing it for 20 -30 years and they are so bad its laughable.

[xcite-tv]

If photography or pornography were down to pointing a camera there would be a lot more people doing it.

As for porn I do a job most men would give their right arm to do and earn a very good living doing it. 5-6 hours with a nude female, camera and a few lights and I can produce enough content to turn over $5,000. So why are there only a a few hundred like me in the whole world?

Because producing porn is a lot more than pointing a camera. The digital technology it easier to get the image in focus, colour balance right and properly exposed but it will never give you the eye, personality or ability to turn photography into porn.

Exactly who are these guys?

1 There are a lot more people doing it !!!!
2, Top site owners can spend 5-6 hours with a camera and make 10+ times that in a year
3, You do come across like your the only one with an "eye" your "One of a hundred comment is hilarious
4, I am NOT an affiliate
5, You dont think i am going to name names....
6, You only post on this board when your boardtracker tells you someone mentioned content needed.

You will keep selling content because you work hard at it. Its the easiest shooters job in the world to sell nude and porn, the most content hungry market there is..
there is nothing special in what you do and certainly not one in a hundred in the world..

your not Bob Carlos Clark for fucks sake

[Geezer]

1 There are a lot more people doing it !!!!
2, Top site owners can spend 5-6 hours with a camera and make 10+ times that in a year
3, You do come across like your the only one with an "eye" your "One of a hundred comment is hilarious
4, I am NOT an affiliate
5, You dont think i am going to name names....
6, You only post on this board when your boardtracker tells you someone mentioned content needed.

You will keep selling content because you work hard at it. Its the easiest shooters job in the world to sell nude and porn, the most content hungry market there is..
there is nothing special in what you do and certainly not one in a hundred in the world..

your not Bob Carlos Clark for fucks sake

I think that hit the nail firmly on the head :)

[Paul Markham]

So tell me how many people shoot for magazines. Plus if it's so easy why are not more shooting solo girl sets for $2,000?

Top site owners are realising it's best to hire a professional to shoot the content. It's mostly the small programs that are still shooting for themselves.

I said one of a few hundred, not one in a hundred. Please read slower.

When did I say you were an affiliate?

I don't think you can name names. Put up or shut up.

I know more about content than other things, do you think I should post about what beer I drink, last time I got laid or on things I know little about?

So if what I do is so easy why are not more guys shooting at my level? They might be shooting at your level but I was not talking about that.

Again I never said I was one in a hundred, neither did I say I was Bob Carlos Clarke. He's an artistic photographer, I'm a pornographer, two different things. I cannot do what he does and doubt if he could do what I do. Pornography and photography are different.

Please read slower and think slower before responding to a post. You might get it right.

[Paul Markham]

I think that hit the nail firmly on the head :)
I think he missed, but then what the fuck do I know, I've only been doing this 28 years.

This thread is about all the crap content on the Internet, I believe because of the level of acceptance most webmasters have. The level of acceptance for magazines is way higher as is for the video industry. Both markets we sell to.

Why don't all these other shooters sell to that market, that pays so much more?

Simple answer is they're not good enough. However at the recent Vegas Internext and AEE show a few of the larger programs were in the AEE launching their new DVD lines. That's good for the industry because as they move into this market they will raise the quality.

But don't fret because also as the Internet moves forward the surfer gets more educated and those who can't produce decent content are falling away.

[xcite-tv]

I think you answers say it all
and i am happy for you to have the last word

[lindy]

Nicely put excite, i like your style. :)

[Rosie]

If photography or pornography were down to pointing a camera there would be a lot more people doing it.

Yeah but there ARE a lot more people doing it :)

[Geezer]

Not everyone could do glamour photography, that is a lot harder than people think, but to take some decent pics of amateurs is well within many peoples capabilities.

I know I always use this as an example but take voyeur, a ten year old could shoot better voyeur than most so called professional photographers. It's the same with amateur stuff, if it's supposed to be some local swingers getting together they are hardly likely to hire a studio and get the lighting right and all that bollocks. They will use a camera and an on camera flash, now I know a lot of people could produce perfectly acceptable results like that. It's meant to be amateurish they are suposedly shooting themselves, it makes it more realistic.

[Joe A]

Paul... I quote your first post in this thread.. You made it in the third person when you should have said.. " I have these two sites" !!!

"But fear not there are content providers who can supply a set of 100 different images. Here are two.

www.paulmarkham.com
www.bargainbasementcontent.com"

The idea of a forum is to talk/chat about what we had to drink or eat last night as well as spam when we need to... Most of us here also offer advise when we can...

That's why many of us chat off forum on the phone and on a message programme.. We are virtual pals.. It's those who only post for a possible profit who are disliked... That is the image you provide us with of yourself.. Nothing in it for nyou so why bother..

You have always had a superior attitude which hasn't helped. It is wrong to name names as one mans idea of a bad tog or model is anothers good, so you calling for the bad togs to be named is not a good one.

As for shooting for mags.. More and more Uk togs are. I know one in particular who I moaned to expand his work ideas last year ,and now he shoots for Mayfair or Penthouse and a few other better mags..

So Paul just get off you high horse, cos after so many years with you on it, it must be as knackered as we are from all the crap you continually post !!!!

[Paul Markham]

Yeah but there ARE a lot more people doing it :)
So maybe we are talking about a different level. I'm talking about people who shoot for magazines, who employ people to shoot for them, who regularly sell sets for $2,000.

Not people who can only shoot content for the Internet and scrape a living.

Am I arrogant?

Guilty as charged. :crown:

Geezer
You are right, few including me can shoot glamour. I've sold a few sets to Mayfair but not my thing.

Amateur is a different field and the trick is to make the models appear as if they are into the action and doing it for the fun. the photography needs to be flat lit and simple, the action needs to fun and real. John Mason is one of the best I've known at this style. A professional pornographer.

Joe A I'm here to promote my company in the way I choose best. If you want a board to be your social life then good for you. The reference to our content stores was irony, you missed it.

As for asking for names again you missed the point, it's easy to make a statement if you can't back it up.

As for shooters moving up from the Internet to magazines, well good for them. Does he sell to UK Penthouse or the US one? How about a name?

[Paul Markham]

So I'm sitting at home with a stinking rotten cold which I've had for three days. Caught it on the flight back from California Monday.

Spent Xmas and New Year in Orange County California and after the holidays drove to Vegas where Eva and I attended the show.

Social enough for you?

[Joe A]

Paul

If you had any sense, you'd know, getting on with others is a # 1 priority in life.. Specially biz... You'd be surprised at how many of us work together behind all this and we make each other money... I can't see many wanting to do this with you..

You have a great way of upsetting most people, rather than making friends...


Once again you're asking for names.. WHY ? Just take it that we don't need to prove anything to you... What help would it be if you knew who they were.. None !!!

And is it true you're a moderator on Netplonk ? If so I can see where you're coming from.. It would explain why you're as loved in the industry as the guys who run that :) If it's true and you are a mod there.. Why not stay over there and let the rest of the world get on without spouting crap.. crap and more crap here..

[Joe A]

Someone just sent me this link: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpost.php?p=9025497&postcount=17

I think it's a good likeness of Mr Markham :)

[Geezer]

Someone just sent me this link: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpost.php?p=9025497&postcount=17

I think it's a good likeness of Mr Markham :)

:lmao2:

[xcite-tv]

:lmao2:


:lmao2: :lmao2:

[Paul Markham]

Paul

If you had any sense, you'd know, getting on with others is a # 1 priority in life.. Specially biz... You'd be surprised at how many of us work together behind all this and we make each other money... I can't see many wanting to do this with you..

You have a great way of upsetting most people, rather than making friends...


Once again you're asking for names.. WHY ? Just take it that we don't need to prove anything to you... What help would it be if you knew who they were.. None !!!

And is it true you're a moderator on Netplonk ? If so I can see where you're coming from.. It would explain why you're as loved in the industry as the guys who run that :) If it's true and you are a mod there.. Why not stay over there and let the rest of the world get on without spouting crap.. crap and more crap here..
I made good points in this thread about why some content providers are not doing a good job. Few have debated the statements I made, except one who twisted what I said to suit.

Now instead of debating you choose personal attack and choose to attack Netpond. Nice way to make friends.

Joe A. again someone putting words into my mouth and using personal attack rather than debate. Very social.

And just for your information I rarely shoot and never book the models these days. That I leave to Eva and my two female assistants. Go read the thread and see what it's really about.

[WordsforHire]

Well I think someone is just talking out of his arse here...Mind you that could be a bit hard considering that is where his head is.

Your posts plainly show how arrogant you are, thinking "your level" is top and well there aren't "many like you"... well newsflash big boy...there are! omg I know it sounds terrible but believe it or not your not one in a hundred!

Another thing when you want to post offering content would it not be a good thing to start of a nice foot with the others on the board considering you are telling them about your services and to be frank if you piss them off they aint gonna buy sunshine...

So when you finally get down from your cloud in the sky and take the shit out of your ears make some decent posts and you will get some nice responses...Simple! :)

[Joe A]

Hey Paul

No comment on the cartoon of you.. LOL.

Paul.. Now now don't get tetchy.. Or is it the male menopause... It's a well known fact that Netplonk are not the most popular people here.. Do a search and you'll see that for a fact.

And you made attacks from the start.. Get a life and please make it somewhere else.. Not here... Don't you get the subtle hints that have been made to you by most of us .. You're not really wanted on B & B :)

[WordsforHire]

Hmm a nail..oh wait theres a hammer...and look a head...BANG

[xcite-tv]

Well I think someone is just talking out of his arse here...Mind you that could be a bit hard considering that is where his head is.


that will be me again :mad:

[WordsforHire]

that will be me again :mad:

lmfao you know I dont me you...we ALL know who I mean...
:asshole:

[Joe A]

Hey Paul..

Even a brand new member of B & B has seen you for what you are.

Wordsforhire just read your posts and she can see right through you... She has no idea who you are... LOL.

[xcite-tv]

Hey Paul..

Even a brand new member of B & B has seen you for what you are.

Wordsforhire just read your posts and she can see right through you... She has no idea who you are... LOL.


:lmao2:

[Cardinal_Sin]

Turned out to be a nice thread - I will echo what Geezer said about hitting the niche correctly -
Certainly there are thousands of amateur shooters out there now with a basic knowledge on how hold a camera and know sfa about lighting etc - They are shooting images about subjects they know very well - Not only does this give them the advantage over the pro (general/pornographer) shooter - It gives them the advantage over the large multi-site owners, too - They shoot what they know and their members can see that - There are a load of guys here that only shoot their own - Their work may not be professionally on a par even with Paul's rabit, but because they have a much better understanding of their niches, the image substance is top notch to their members.
I know personally when I do a session with kirsty blue - I get a hell of a lot more than 5k for that - I am only 1 of many thousands that do.

[gawdi]

Turned out to be a nice thread - I will echo what Geezer said about hitting the niche correctly -
Certainly there are thousands of amateur shooters out there now with a basic knowledge on how hold a camera and know sfa about lighting etc - They are shooting images about subjects they know very well - Not only does this give them the advantage over the pro (general/pornographer) shooter - It gives them the advantage over the large multi-site owners, too - They shoot what they know and their members can see that - There are a load of guys here that only shoot their own - Their work may not be professionally on a par even with Paul's rabit, but because they have a much better understanding of their niches, the image substance is top notch to their members.
I know personally when I do a session with kirsty blue - I get a hell of a lot more than 5k for that - I am only 1 of many thousands that do.

As well as hitting niche... I think also photos need to be 'fit for purpose' Some magazines need great photos others dont, others rip off my photos from my sites.... Similarly sites are similar, upmarket sites need good photos normal sites dont.....so long as the photos convey what the members expect...then thats the quality of photos you should be aiming for. Nothing more nothing less.

[SGS]

As well as hitting niche... I think also photos need to be 'fit for purpose' Some magazines need great photos others dont, others rip off my photos from my sites.... Similarly sites are similar, upmarket sites need good photos normal sites dont.....so long as the photos convey what the members expect...then thats the quality of photos you should be aiming for. Nothing more nothing less.

You get magazines rip off (steal?) photos from your sites?

[JT]

You get magazines rip off (steal?) photos from your sites?


He means other sites I think. I do alot of his design work and we are always finding other sites stealing his stuff.

There is a real lack of quality and new granny stuff out there and his is all new and all very good.

I guess over the years you have seen the same? as as I understand it you make top quality stuff to?

[SGS]

He means other sites I think. I do alot of his design work and we are always finding other sites stealing his stuff.

There is a real lack of quality and new granny stuff out there and his is all new and all very good.

I guess over the years you have seen the same? as as I understand it you make top quality stuff to?

We used to but we go after every one of them with lawyers relentlessly and the problem has slowed down a lot over the last couple of years for this reason I think.

[xcite-tv]

Turned out to be a nice thread - I will echo what Geezer said about hitting the niche correctly -
Certainly there are thousands of amateur shooters out there now with a basic knowledge on how hold a camera and know sfa about lighting etc - They are shooting images about subjects they know very well - Not only does this give them the advantage over the pro (general/pornographer) shooter - It gives them the advantage over the large multi-site owners, too - They shoot what they know and their members can see that - There are a load of guys here that only shoot their own - Their work may not be professionally on a par even with Paul's rabit, but because they have a much better understanding of their niches, the image substance is top notch to their members.
I know personally when I do a session with kirsty blue - I get a hell of a lot more than 5k for that - I am only 1 of many thousands that do.

Yeah.. sorry for nicking your thread for a rant at someone. But this like any other business has those who have "been doing it for years" and think they know it all, These are usually the ones still talking about shooting for magazines and distributing DVD's when we all know the magazine market is dead and pays shit money to those who shoot for it and the DVD market is the same unless your one of the big distributors or retailers. Who wants to produce DVD's and get paid £2 for each by a distributor who will order a few hundred and sell a few thousand he copys for himself?

If i was selling content. As a business decision i would not go into the industry and bitch about "new" people coming in, "pointing and shooting" telling people how much better i am than them and even admiting and being proud of being arrogant.


because one day they might be customers.


..

[Joe A]

Wait till you see your pics being used for chat line ad's on tv !! This has workewd out as I'm now starting biz with the company.. LOL

[JT]

Yeah.. sorry for nicking your thread for a rant at someone. But this like any other business has those who have "been doing it for years" and think they know it all, These are usually the ones still talking about shooting for magazines and distributing DVD's when we all know the magazine market is dead and pays shit money to those who shoot for it and the DVD market is the same unless your one of the big distributors or retailers. Who wants to produce DVD's and get paid £2 for each by a distributor who will order a few hundred and sell a few thousand he copys for himself?

If i was selling content. As a business decision i would not go into the industry and bitch about "new" people coming in, "pointing and shooting" telling people how much better i am than them and even admiting and being proud of being arrogant.


because one day they might be customers.


..


I have been a customer of Paul Markhams in the past. He was easy to deal with and his stuff was OK at good prices......Just lately though its like he is trying to make everyone think hes a twat.....I've stopped buying of him because of the way he recently has started comming accross on here. I guess it doesnt bother him, thats OK But I bet Im not the only one.

Also Id like to point out, that Xcites content is some of the best Ive seen and puts anything Ive ever seen from Paul to shame. Sometimes I guess the proof of the pudding is in the eating

[Geezer]

Just lately though its like he is trying to make everyone think hes a twat

Well he is doing a good job at something then :lmao2:

[SGS]

Also Id like to point out, that Xcites content is some of the best Ive seen

I would have to agree with that and not just good but head and shoulders above 99 1/2 % of the utter fucking crap being punted out there by some people at the moment.

Some of the so-called photographers that have climbed on the “content” bandwagon over the last few years (and of course I don’t include Paul in this) couldn’t compete with some of the drawings I have seen scribed into the back of public convenience doors. They would need to go on a six-week course to learn how to shoot beach snaps on Blackpool Prom!

I am sure that some content providers want you to subscribe before letting you in just in the hope of putting you off before you come face to face with the scabby bunch inbred "munters" they have plied with Guinness to get naked.

[Cardinal_Sin]

I would have to agree with that and not just good but head and shoulders above 99 1/2 % of the utter fucking crap being punted out there by some people at the moment.

Some of the so-called photographers that have climbed on the “content” bandwagon over the last few years (and of course I don’t include Paul in this) couldn’t compete with some of the drawings I have seen scribed into the back of public convenience doors. They would need to go on a six-week course to learn how to shoot beach snaps on Blackpool Prom!

I am sure that some content providers want you to subscribe before letting you in just in the hope of putting you off before you come face to face with the scabby bunch inbred "munters" they have plied with Guinness to get naked.
Have to agree with that - Some of the guys here are producing stuff not only 100 on their niche mark, but great quality, too -

[gawdi]

You get magazines rip off (steal?) photos from your sites?

Yes a magazine has ripped off my content.... There 2 with similar names out there so I wont say which 1 its is incase i get them mixed up..... But their contact address is a po box no and there no contact tel number and no web site......

I thought about lawyers but thought it would cost me more than i'd get back.. If it happens again though, I'll go for the distributer.. and threaten to include them in a legal action they'll drop him like a brick...

Quite a bit of my content is being ripped off on the web though..... but with having affiliates its difficult to tell which is ripped off content and which is being used in a legit way by the affiliate...

Ohh to be able to afford someone to just trawl through the web looking for my content!!

[JT]

Yes a magazine has ripped off my content.... There 2 with similar names out there so I wont say which 1 its is incase i get them mixed up..... But their contact address is a po box no and there no contact tel number and no web site......

I thought about lawyers but thought it would cost me more than i'd get back.. If it happens again though, I'll go for the distributer.. and threaten to include them in a legal action they'll drop him like a brick...

Quite a bit of my content is being ripped off on the web though..... but with having affiliates its difficult to tell which is ripped off content and which is being used in a legit way by the affiliate...

Ohh to be able to afford someone to just trawl through the web looking for my content!!

You didnt tell me about the magazines

[SGS]

Yes a magazine has ripped off my content.... There 2 with similar names out there so I wont say which 1 its is incase i get them mixed up..... But their contact address is a po box no and there no contact tel number and no web site......

Get a lawyer onto it and buy me a case of Cristal as a thank you out of the proceeds.

Ohh to be able to afford someone to just trawl through the web looking for my content!!

It’s actually a very efficient way to spend money if you shoot your own content and at a point you really can’t afford not to. Its just business.

[SGS]

Just wanted to add that stealing content for the web is one thing but to have it distributed in print is quite another. We would go after that for a full settlement & damages as there is no quick fix for them.

[Joe A]

Gawdi

I have a few surfers as friends.. For the cost of a membership they trawl the Indian forums and report back to me when my pix are posted.. LOL.

As for affiliates.. I had one use my promo material to make a site for Net Verifier.. The site looked very nice, but the cunt didn't bother to upsell my site. I complained to NV who closed his acct. and gave me all his re-bills. They lasted about a year, so that was money for nothing

If anyone has their material stolen, you have to be your own detective most of the time....

[xcite-tv]

Why thank you guys for the nice words
I would never say our stuff is better than anybodys as we have a lot to learn and will never stop doing and trying to make each shoot better than the last...whether its for us or anybody else..

[gawdi]

You didnt tell me about the magazines
I did U must have been pissed.... :lmao2:

Thanks for the advice guys..... Your right joe, some of my members do let me know when they find my content!!

[JT]

I did U must have been pissed.... :lmao2:

Who Moi?

[absolutte]

Hi everyone, I'm new and of course wont be bumping old threads to spam my products but will instead be posting spam on the spam forum. That way I wont get my threads edited

[-HF]

guess who is desperate enough to bump a month old thread for fuckin spam with their first fucking post.