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dvtimes
01-26-09, 01:21 PM
so its more illigall from today.
so watch out as you may get a warning or on the spot fine.
yes the law is a joke.
so its more illigall from today.
so watch out as you may get a warning or on the spot fine.
yes the law is a joke.
Which is different from now in what way !
Damn 2 threads i agree with you in.
dvtimes
01-26-09, 01:58 PM
Which is different from now in what way !
Damn 2 threads i agree with you in.
you can from now in theory get 5 years in prison.
But its unlikly as all the defence will do is point out that the law has changed so often no one knows what the situation is at the moment.
I supose it will at least get the economy off the front pages for a day or two for the goverment.
strictlybroadband
01-26-09, 02:03 PM
It means that millions of people will keep ignoring the law as always (including most of the police force).
lostheplott
01-26-09, 02:38 PM
ist's an antiquated law to say the least, it's about time it was made legal and put parallel with alcohol laws.
strictlybroadband
01-26-09, 03:19 PM
I miss a good smoke
Cake.
i miss smoking it, eating it is a totally different high.
lostheplott
01-26-09, 03:35 PM
"Bahng Lassi" Drink it :)
or use a vaporizer
strictlybroadband
01-26-09, 03:36 PM
i miss smoking it, eating it is a totally different high.
Why don't you invent the anal bong?
lostheplott
01-26-09, 03:41 PM
Why don't you invent the anal bong?
kinda reminds me of "the blowback of shame"
Why don't you invent the anal bong?
I would think you of all people would know that's already been invented I thought you and Damian were "experimenting" with one in Dam :gaylords:
Here's a couple of snippets that "Frank" has to say about puff.
Cannabis
Cannabis is the most widely used illegal drug in Britain. Made from parts of the cannabis plant, it’s a naturally occurring drug. It is a mild sedative (often causing a chilled out feeling or actual sleepiness) and it’s also a mild hallucinogen (meaning you may experience a state where you see objects and reality in a distorted way and may even hallucinate). The main active compound in cannabis is tetrahydrocannabinol (THC).
Slang: Street names for drugs can vary around the country and with different forms: Bhang, black, blast, blow, blunts, Bob Hope, bush, dope, draw, ganja, grass, hash, hashish, hemp, herb, marijuana, pot, puff, Northern Lights, resin, sensi, sinsemilla, shit, skunk, smoke, soap, spliff, wacky backy, weed, zero. Some names are based on where it comes from... Afghan, homegrown, Moroccan etc.
The effects:
Some people may feel chilled out, relaxed and happy, while others have one puff and feel sick.
Others get the giggles and may become talkative.
Hunger pangs are common and are known as 'getting the munchies'.
Users may become more aware of their senses or get a feeling of slowing of time, which are due to its hallucinogenic effects.
Stronger 'joints' (e.g. typically when skunk or sinsemilla is used) may have more powerful effects. Some users may moderate this effect by actually inhaling and using less strong cannabis; but others may find it becomes tempting to ‘binge smoke’ them.
The regular use of cannabis is known to be associated with an increase in the risk of later developing psychotic illnesses including schizophrenia. If the recent increase in availability of stronger forms of cannabis does lead to an increase in total use by some people, this might also lead to an increase in their future risk of developing mental health problems. Nobody knows the answer to this question yet...
The law:
Cannabis is illegal; it's a Class B drug.
If you’re caught with cannabis the police will always take action.
Possession:
If you’re caught with even a small amount of cannabis the police will confiscate the drug and you can be arrested. What the police will do depends on the circumstances and how old you are.
Usually, you’ll get a cannabis warning if you’re 18 and over. If you’re under 18, you’ll get a reprimand and your parent or guardian will also be contacted. The police are more likely to arrest you if: you are blatantly smoking in public and/or have been caught with cannabis before.
If you’re under 18, the second time you get caught you’re likely to get a final warning and be referred to a Youth Offending Team.
Regardless of how old you are, if you’re caught with cannabis for a third time it’s likely you will be arrested.
If you continue to break the law, you can end up with a criminal record which could affect your chances of getting a job. It could also affect whether you can go on holiday to some countries.
The maximum penalty for possession is five years in prison plus an unlimited fine.
Full info on Cannabis & most other substances is here:
http://www.talktofrank.com/home_html.aspx
:)
The regular use of cannabis is known to be associated with an increase in the risk of later developing psychotic illnesses including schizophrenia. If the recent increase in availability of stronger forms of cannabis does lead to an increase in total use by some people, this might also lead to an increase in their future risk of developing mental health problems. Nobody knows the answer to this question yet...
What a lot of bollocks!
It is a bit strange that "K" is a class "C" & gear is now class "B"
:geek:
Johnny Kleenexxx
01-26-09, 04:48 PM
gutted.. being in amsterdam an' all
strictlybroadband
01-26-09, 04:50 PM
It is a bit strange that "K" is a class "C" & gear is now class "B"
:geek:
And E is class A. It's a dyslexic's nightmare.
And E is class A. It's a dyslexic's nightmare.
Lol, sounds like the perfect defence to me :judge:
Johnny Kleenexxx
01-26-09, 05:02 PM
And E is class A. It's a dyslexic's nightmare.
aha too right
gutted.. being in amsterdam an' all
:P :P :P :P
Can I come visit :oldman:
smoothballs
01-26-09, 07:41 PM
slightly off topic, you can buy Virginia tobacco seeds on ebay, its not illegal to grow the plants as gardeners use to make a "tea" out of the leaves to use as a insecticide...and its not illegal to grown your own for smoking a la personal use, it becomes lllegal when you sell it on :)
(unless what I read online is total bullshit!)
another fuck up by the UK - whats better twats pissed up beating the shit out of anyone that passes them, or a group of guys having a smoke and eating anything they can find
I understand that you guys are all adults (Notice I didn't say grown-ups) and enjoy a smoke etc. But are you happy for a/your 12year old to smoke it?
I'm with you Tigger on the drunks thing...You only have to see the trouble in clubs now there is more Bud & less Love..!!
dvtimes
01-27-09, 11:13 AM
I understand that you guys are all adults (Notice I didn't say grown-ups) and enjoy a smoke etc. But are you happy for a/your 12year old to smoke it?
I'm with you Tigger on the drunks thing...You only have to see the trouble in clubs now there is more Bud & less Love..!!
I do not smoke it.
In fact I do not drink.
However if I was 12 I would probably think, the economy has crashed, global warming is not refersable, its all a hopless mess. Thus if I was 12 I am sure I may consider smoking it just to blank out the dismal exsistance.
In fact I think they may are well legalize everthing and we should all party till the end of the world which does not seem long now.
But are you happy for a/your 12year old to smoke it?
Is he/she gonna pass the dutchie though ? :P
Seriously though you look at places like Amsterdam and even Cali to certain extent and there is no massive increase in mentalists but at least in these places they actually have some control over what is being sold and who to.
Where as with prohibition its the crims who control it,guess as it worked so well for alcohol eh.
Venice why a 12 year old am I missing something from the news/thread ?
dvtimes
01-27-09, 11:56 AM
The problem is they dicriminialised too late.
If they had done this in the 60's then people would be smoking the less powefull stuff grown in hot countries.
But as its criminal it was easer for people to grow it in the uk. This plant was far more powerfull and does have the problems.
One thing I thought was if you lived in the countryside well away from people it would be a great place to grow it and make a lot of cash. That way you can use your own generater. Also even if you used electricity, no one would notice a farm using a lot as many do for all the machinary.
People are daft doing it in towns as most electrical firms will notice a house using vast amounts when others in the street use far less.
The problem is they dicriminialised too late.
If they had done this in the 60's then people would be smoking the less powefull stuff grown in hot countries.
But as its criminal it was easer for people to grow it in the uk. This plant was far more powerfull and does have the problems.
One thing I thought was if you lived in the countryside well away from people it would be a great place to grow it and make a lot of cash. That way you can use your own generater. Also even if you used electricity, no one would notice a farm using a lot as many do for all the machinary.
People are daft doing it in towns as most electrical firms will notice a house using vast amounts when others in the street use far less.
And a massive cannabis farm is not gonna get noticed ?
It also quite clear that you dont really know what you are talking about in regard to this as you are just repeating the same crap the news stations are saying.
Lets get this straight the UK has not got the strongest skunk in the world goto Cali etc for that all this bullshit about skunk being more potent than ever and sending people psycho is crap too.
The news was talking about a 14 year old who started smoking and then was having mood swings! I mean have these people never met a teenager before ?
dvtimes
01-27-09, 12:10 PM
And a massive cannabis farm is not gonna get noticed ?
It also quite clear that you dont really know what you are talking about in regard to this as you are just repeating the same crap the news stations are saying.
Lets get this straight the UK has not got the strongest skunk in the world goto Cali etc for that all this bullshit about skunk being more potent than ever and sending people psycho is crap too.
The news was talking about a 14 year old who started smoking and then was having mood swings! I mean have these people never met a teenager before ?
No, i do know what i am on about.
skunk is powefull, and my mate smokes it. i have seen the affect on him.
in fact you do notice it on many who smoke it.
if anything i would say i know a lot about this as i was a student nuse and was on the mental health ward and many were in there who had smoked it.
While people mayy not go 'nuts' people do change. its a slow progress but if you see somone who starts smoking it, then see then 15 years later you can see they are more paranoide and not as relaxed. i am not even going to argue over this, its a fact.
that said i am not saying it should be baned. i think all drugs should be legall. as long as people now the risks its up to them.
I myself have no reason to take drugs, inc legal ones.
I myself have no reason to take drugs, inc legal ones.
So how long ago were you a student nurse then ?
strictlybroadband
01-27-09, 12:44 PM
I understand that you guys are all adults (Notice I didn't say grown-ups) and enjoy a smoke etc. But are you happy for a/your 12year old to smoke it?
Course not. How is that relevant to the law change?
Is he/she gonna pass the dutchie though ? :P
Seriously though you look at places like Amsterdam and even Cali to certain extent and there is no massive increase in mentalists but at least in these places they actually have some control over what is being sold and who to.
Where as with prohibition its the crims who control it,guess as it worked so well for alcohol eh.
Crap, amsterdam is one of the most fucked up shit holes on the planet, there are more fucked up druggies smoking weed, smoking crack and selling heroin to anyone who passes in the street, than any other place I have ever been.
Apart from Leeds I have never seen such a collection of mental fuck ups in one place, if offering up Amsterdam as some sort of place to aspire to, is your best argument for legalising drugs of any kind, then you have missed that boat by a mile.
dvtimes
01-27-09, 01:34 PM
Crap, amsterdam is one of the most fucked up shit holes on the planet, there are more fucked up druggies smoking weed, smoking crack and selling heroin to anyone who passes in the street, than any other place I have ever been.
Apart from where I live, I have never seen such a collection of mental fuck ups in one place, if offering up Amsterdam as some sort of place to aspire to, is your best argument for legalising drugs of any kind, then you have missed that boat by a mile.
But then again they do have great lady boys for rent.
I have never been.
Crap, amsterdam is one of the most fucked up shit holes on the planet, there are more fucked up druggies smoking weed, smoking crack and selling heroin to anyone who passes in the street, than any other place I have ever been.
Apart from Leeds I have never seen such a collection of mental fuck ups in one place, if offering up Amsterdam as some sort of place to aspire to, is your best argument for legalising drugs of any kind, then you have missed that boat by a mile.
Well...
To be fair, the centre of amsterdam is quite skanky and fucked up.
However, their approach to drugs works. The average age of a heroin addict there is 36. The number of addicts involved in crime is minimal.
Most Dutch people I've met do no drugs at all.
By seperating hard and soft drugs they have been able to stop young people getting into crack and heroin etc.
Of course, you see lots of mental foreigners fucked up in the city centre. This doesn't mean their drug policy has failed.
But Britain is the TOP of one league table, for once:
"With 270,000 estimated regular users, Britain has one of the worst heroin problems in the Western world."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2002/mar/21/drugsandalcohol.drugs
tonyd1g1t
01-27-09, 02:35 PM
I understand that you guys are all adults (Notice I didn't say grown-ups) and enjoy a smoke etc. But are you happy for a/your 12year old to smoke it?
I'm with you Tigger on the drunks thing...You only have to see the trouble in clubs now there is more Bud & less Love..!!
if my 12 year old is smoking it i wouldnt mind aslong as he shares it. By rights im entitled to his seeing as though i gave him his spending money.
QUOTE=strictlybroadband]Course not. How is that relevant to the law change?[/QUOTE]
I made the reference more in the light of how several people on here seem to feel that it's a 'safe' 'mild' drug. The effect of prolonged use of weed is commonly recognised. As adults we can make life choices, but young people are often influenced by peer pressure to become involved in Drug taking.
The reason I gave the age 12 is that I am familiar with someone who has a kid who began smoking it aged 12, comes from a secure family background etc. But has become a total 'waster'. He now barely functions and is effectively unemployable. And no it isn't teenage strops.
I have to say I am in no way against adults enjoying themselves in any way...But I hope the law will make some kids acknowledge that cannabis is not to be taken lightly.
strictlybroadband
01-27-09, 02:51 PM
I made the reference more in the light of how several people on here seem to feel that it's a 'safe' 'mild' drug. The effect of prolonged use of weed is commonly recognised.
Actually, the effect of prolonged use of weed is commonly misunderstood rather than recognised, thanks to a long-running lie campaign in the media. The only proven effect on most people is that too much smoking turns them into lazy bastards, which I accept isn't good. The mental health issues have been widely lied about and misunderstood. Someone with no existing mental health problems has no extra risk if they smoke weed.
Johnny Kleenexxx
01-27-09, 03:25 PM
most dutch kids can take it or leave it . . even though its on tap down every main highstreet
higher % of french & UK kids smoke weed than dutch kids . . what does that tell youz ?
tonyd1g1t
01-27-09, 03:33 PM
QUOTE=strictlybroadband]Course not. How is that relevant to the law change?
I made the reference more in the light of how several people on here seem to feel that it's a 'safe' 'mild' drug. The effect of prolonged use of weed is commonly recognised. As adults we can make life choices, but young people are often influenced by peer pressure to become involved in Drug taking.
The reason I gave the age 12 is that I am familiar with someone who has a kid who began smoking it aged 12, comes from a secure family background etc. But has become a total 'waster'. He now barely functions and is effectively unemployable. And no it isn't teenage strops.
I have to say I am in no way against adults enjoying themselves in any way...But I hope the law will make some kids acknowledge that cannabis is not to be taken lightly.[/QUOTE]
education is the only way. kids are not scared of the police. you have to get in there head at a young age and show them were a life of drugs will lead them. i was joking earlier about sharing the kids weed but there are parents out there like that.
Johnny Kleenexxx
01-27-09, 03:36 PM
while i'm here wafflin'..
i grew it on a fairly large scale back in the day in Mcr, made a few bob,
then got the fuck out.. i've also sold it over the counter here in Amsterdam
for over 2 years, had various weeds and a hash entered in the Cannabis Cup
i'm deffo not one of these that will deal you something i don't use myself..
and the cold truth is.. heavy skunk use WILL affect your life in many ways
i can testify to it being far more addictive than i thought when i was younger
i can still smoke upto 5 g's daily without even noticing, my resistance is daft
last ting soz
the "slippery slope" theory on weed just doesn't stand up here,
"slippery slope" shit only exists where criminalisation exists
simply because your illegal weed dealer may also offer you
pills, bugle, smack etc, whereas a coffeeshop never will..
there's the dutch slippery slope theory fucked up right there..
strictlybroadband
01-27-09, 03:54 PM
i'm deffo not one of these that will deal you something i don't use myself..
and the cold truth is.. heavy skunk use WILL affect your life in many ways
i can testify to it being far more addictive than i thought when i was younger
i can still smoke upto 5 g's daily without even noticing, my resistance is daft
Wow, that's a lot... I once smoked quite a lot of it but just occasionally these days. I don't think it's physically very addictive, but the lifestyle of smoking a lot can be hard to get out of.
tonyd1g1t
01-27-09, 03:56 PM
kinky johns the man
strictlybroadband
01-27-09, 04:01 PM
kinky johns the man
Actually, when I go to visit him in Amsterdam, I'm the man and he's the woman. :wfh:
Actually, when I go to visit him in Amsterdam, I'm the man and he's the woman. :wfh:
And I'm both of yours. In every way you want to take me.
Johnny Kleenexxx
01-27-09, 04:14 PM
Actually, when I go to visit him in Amsterdam, I'm the man and he's the woman. :wfh:
get fucked . . you're always too busy eating multiple ebony axewounds
Johnny Kleenexxx
01-27-09, 04:16 PM
And I'm both of yours. In every way you want to take me.
well you're just a slut . . so that doesn't count
private dancer, dancer for money, does what you want him to do :oldman:
Actually, the effect of prolonged use of weed is commonly misunderstood rather than recognised, thanks to a long-running lie campaign in the media. .
I totally agree....The misinformation given out by not only the media but many of the anti drugs bodies is scary...I refer to a previous post I maid re. Ketamine (23 'related' deaths in 16 years) There was an article in the times this weekend quoting an account of a guy with a 25g a day habit. In the wrong hands kids will assume that it’s safe to consume in huge quantities thereby creating a dangerous myth.
I remember we used to use the old rule...'Take an E check your Pee.' to counteract the Leah Betts syndrome.
I remember we used to use the old rule...'Take an E check your Pee.' to counteract the Leah Betts syndrome.
The Leah Betts myth and subsequent advertising campaign was funded and orchestrated by the Portman Group. An alcohol lobbying company. The truth behind the whole affair is dispicable.
Worried about the massively reduced revenues from booze The Portman Group set up and paid for the whole Leah Betts campaign to try and scare pill taking yout' into returning to the far more dangerous drug they sell, alcohol.
Lovely.
The Leah Betts myth and subsequent advertising campaign was funded and orchestrated by the Portman Group. An alcohol lobbying company. The truth behind the whole affair is dispicable.
Worried about the massively reduced revenues from booze The Portman Group set up and paid for the whole Leah Betts campaign to try and scare pill taking yout' into returning to the far more dangerous drug they sell, alcohol.
Lovely.
Your right and I was aware of the Portman group investment, but I was referring to the actual recorded cause of death.
'An inquest determined that her death was actually not directly due to ecstasy consumption, but rather the large quantity of water she had consumed, apparently in observation of an advisory warning commonly given to ravers to drink water to avoid dehydration resulting from the exertion of dancing continuously for hours. Leah had been at home with friends and had not been dancing, yet consumed about 7 litres in less than 90 minutes, resulting in water intoxication and hyponatremia (low sodium levels; in this case due to the dilution of blood), which in turn led to serious swelling of the brain (cerebral oedema), irreparably damaging it. However, SIADH caused by the ecstasy left Betts unable to urinate which would have allowed expulsion of the excess water and prevented hyponatremia. At the inquest it was stated "If Leah had taken the drug alone she might well have survived. If she had drunk the amount of water alone she would have survived."...
Your right and I was aware of the Portman group investment, but I was referring to the actual recorded cause of death.
I wasn't arguing against that. Just pointing out how horrid The Portman Group are.
Approx 10 years ago I bought the rights to distribute a Canadian mag called Heads here in the UK and Europe.
Over a period of two years I travelled Europe, Canada and the US listening to the debate over cannabis and its effects on people as well as drumming up advertising income for the UK and European editions, which wasn't too difficult. I read numurous reports from all sorts of medical peeps, journos and gov bods.I listened to the likes of Howard Marks and Tommy Chong, two very different views of Cannabis,one a capitalist/criminal the other all for the medical argument.I met and talked to guys who made fortunes in the Dam selling it and people that tried to open smoke shops in the UK and ended up in trouble with the law.
What I found and based on the above adventure is my opinion of the Cannabis situation.
If a person has an underlying mental condition cannabis can either exsacerbate the condition or not. There is no conclusive medical proof.The same can also be said about alcohol in respect of mental health it all depends on the individual and I can talk from personal experience on that one.Not me btw but a family member.
Cannabis makes people money, mostly criminals, and lots of it. I have seen guys that have one or two plants and proper organised cannabis farms and all of them makes money and this pissess the authorities of no end.It should be legalised and this will take out the majority of the illegal element and I am not just talking about the local dealer or the local guy who cultivates a couple of plants and sells some on to his pals but organised crime. I don't know now which organised criminal group has the majority of the market but back in circa 1998 the people I mostly met where Hells Angels, both here and abroad.Legalise cannabis like alcohol its the only sensible route.
Having Cannabis as a Class B drug will only makes the whole situation worse.
People should be left to make their own choices of how they consume be it in the confines of their own home or in a likeminded persons home.
Alcohol causes more damage to the participant, as well as innocent victims, yet it is legal so it is tolerated.
Medical cannabis has great benefits to suffers of certain conditions, MS being the most well known.Medical Cannabis should be made more widely available, its cheaper than the manufactured drugs they use at present and from waht I have has a greater benefit to the sufferer.
The Government want to control Cannabis but they are doing it the wrong way around, legalise it, tax it and have greater control over it.
As I said this just my opinion.
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