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The Premier League is planning an aggressive campaign to protect its intellectual property rights in an attempt to clamp down on rogue websites that show football matches for nothing and pub landlords who broadcast foreign feeds, amid fears that they could damage its income from broadcasting rights.
Having recently recorded a surge in the number of people watching via websites that transmit live pictures from overseas broadcasters or allow users to share vision using "peer-to-peer" video sites, Premier League lawyers want the culture secretary, Andy Burnham, and the business secretary, Lord Mandelson, to crack down on copyright infringement by making internet service providers responsible for the actions of their subscribers, and appoint an "IP tsar" to coordinate action across government.
By Owen Gibson January 22, 2009
read the full article here
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/jan/21/premier-league-cracks-down-on-illegal-broadcasts
Interesting.......
smoothballs
01-25-09, 03:31 PM
well with the millions they pay the players guess they have to protect their cash cow! Football wages are sickening to read!
dvtimes
01-25-09, 04:14 PM
The thing is, its costs a fortune for a pub to show these games.
Many simply cannot afford to. Thus they show non UK tv stations at little or no cost.
If the football thingy wanted to stop this problem they need to drop there costs to a relistic level. In the long run they would make more as more pubs would show the games.
In fact in the reseshion things will be much worse for the football leage thingy as less pubs will be able to afford to show the games. Plus I suspect the top clubs will have fewer people going due to the cost of tickets and less people buing the merchandise.
I heard that Liverpool owes RBS millions and if they do not pay up in a few months RBS will own them, thus we will own 70% of Liverpool football club.
I suspect other clubs are going to go belly up due to costs. Lets face it some did even when the going was good.
I think the UK has overpaid players for years. And now are going to have problems.
In fact football may have problems soon. As so many people loose there homes/jobs or even simply strugle to pay bills, then I think people will realy start to feel resentment towards football players who are on millions. I think some clubs may start to loose fans. In fact the clubs that are at the bottom of the leage may find this an advantage now as people may start to turn to them simply as they will be cheaper to buy tickets for and not resent the players who will not be on the big bucks. In deed the lower clubs may start to find there profits go up.
The thing is, its costs a fortune for a pub to show these games.
Many simply cannot afford to. Thus they show non UK tv stations at little or no cost.
If the football thingy wanted to stop this problem they need to drop there costs to a relistic level. In the long run they would make more as more pubs would show the games.
In fact in the reseshion things will be much worse for the football leage thingy as less pubs will be able to afford to show the games. Plus I suspect the top clubs will have fewer people going due to the cost of tickets and less people buing the merchandise.
I heard that Liverpool owes RBS millions and if they do not pay up in a few months RBS will own them, thus we will own 70% of Liverpool football club.
I suspect other clubs are going to go belly up due to costs. Lets face it some did even when the going was good.
I think the UK has overpaid players for years. And now are going to have problems.
In fact football may have problems soon. As so many people loose there homes/jobs or even simply strugle to pay bills, then I think people will realy start to feel resentment towards football players who are on millions. I think some clubs may start to loose fans. In fact the clubs that are at the bottom of the leage may find this an advantage now as people may start to turn to them simply as they will be cheaper to buy tickets for and not resent the players who will not be on the big bucks. In deed the lower clubs may start to find there profits go up.
Remind me again what club you support?
And taken your recent actions I would have thought you would have learnt any form of Piracy is wrong.
well with the millions they pay the players guess they have to protect their cash cow! Football wages are sickening to read!
Footballers wages are sickening to read about and they should be cut.
What next people in the porn industry driving lambos!:P
dvtimes
01-25-09, 04:31 PM
Remind me again what club you support?
And taken your recent actions I would have thought you would have learnt any form of Piracy is wrong.
I hate football.
That said I suport (in some way) Leeds United due to my nans brothers going to the matches when they were alive (I refer to them as my uncles who I were close to).
There is a point where if a product costs sily amounts then you will get piracy (or indeed theft/copying) like crazy and is not stoppable. Such as CD's, Beer, Wine, DVD's, Clothes.
The answer is simply charge a relistic price for them.
If say CD's (which cast the music industry about 1p to make) were sold for £4 or so thenpeople would buy them and MP3s would never have taken off.
In deed as reseshion hits more we will see such crimes increase.
I hate football.
.
Says it all.
dvtimes
01-25-09, 04:39 PM
Says it all.
So does that mean I cannot have an opinion on it?
any form of Piracy is wrong.
No it ain't
So does that mean I cannot have an opinion on it?
Yes you can, but pirated beer and wine,FFS.Ihave heard of snide spirits though.
dvtimes
01-25-09, 07:36 PM
Yes you can, but pirated beer and wine,FFS.Ihave heard of snide spirits though.
by that i mean imported via eu (no tax paid) or even selling home made or stolen beer or wine, or counterfited.
by that i mean imported via eu (no tax paid) or even selling home made or stolen beer or wine, or counterfited.
Sorry I didn't realise that they had amalagmated smuggling,selling stolen goods and duty evasion all under the guise of piracy.
How so?
Cos it gets you what you want at a reduced price, anything that saves you money can't be wrong.
Cos it gets you what you want at a reduced price, anything that saves you money can't be wrong.
Trust you,lol:P It may not be wrong to get things cheaper but obtaining things illegally is theft.
obtaining things illegally is theft.
did you just call a fence a thief?
johnboy
01-25-09, 09:38 PM
"internet pirates"...?
That's a fucking laugh. The Premier League and Sky TV are the biggest pirates on the planet (in my world anyhow). You pay through the nose and the ass to get Sky, Setanta just so you can watch the bloody premier league and then 90% of the games YOU want to watch aren't being shown live.
I went onto / found one of these p2p players, theres a couple, TVU Player, SOPCAST, etc that will allow you to watch the games "live" but trust me, it's more pain than you should bear with mega long connection times, slow and haphazard playing, tbh, it's not really worth it. Better to tune into 5live or something.
Saying it's piracy is beyond the pale...They would do better to spend their time looking for all those EU sat boxes people bring back that pick up EVERY channel regardless but I suppose the internet is an easier target..
arses!
dvtimes
01-25-09, 10:12 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/aug/17/fooddrinks.bskyb
pubs pay £13,000 per annum.
dvtimes
01-25-09, 10:22 PM
http://blog.wotsat.com/page/whatsat?entry=pubs_call_for_sky_investigation
Pubs call for Sky investigation
Pub landlords have called for a separate investigation into Sky's control over the market for pay-TV in licensed premises.
Licensees and landlords have used Ofcom's consultation into pay-TV to call for an enquiry into the cost of showing football in pubs.
The Association of Licensed Multiple Retailers said regulators should consider the commercial viewing market separately from the competition for domestic retailers.
They claim there's no competition because Sky and Setanta will only sell a combined package to commercial premises.
They said: "We believe it will be vital on each consumer related issue – choice, price, value for money and quality of service - for OFCOM to undertake separate analysis of the domestic and commercial retail customer base. We are in the process of collating the views of commercial customers on these and other issues and will present the findings of this research to OFCOM shortly."
And 14 pub landlords have called for immediate curbs on Sky's practice of charging them based on the rateable value of their property.
They say this means a small village pub in the south can be charged more than a large pub in the north-east because of the difference in commercial property taxes.
The claims were made as responses to Ofcom's Pay TV Market investigation.
http://blog.wotsat.com/page/whatsat?entry=pubs_call_for_sky_investigation
Pubs call for Sky investigation
Pub landlords have called for a separate investigation into Sky's control over the market for pay-TV in licensed premises.
Licensees and landlords have used Ofcom's consultation into pay-TV to call for an enquiry into the cost of showing football in pubs.
The Association of Licensed Multiple Retailers said regulators should consider the commercial viewing market separately from the competition for domestic retailers.
They claim there's no competition because Sky and Setanta will only sell a combined package to commercial premises.
They said: "We believe it will be vital on each consumer related issue – choice, price, value for money and quality of service - for OFCOM to undertake separate analysis of the domestic and commercial retail customer base. We are in the process of collating the views of commercial customers on these and other issues and will present the findings of this research to OFCOM shortly."
And 14 pub landlords have called for immediate curbs on Sky's practice of charging them based on the rateable value of their property.
They say this means a small village pub in the south can be charged more than a large pub in the north-east because of the difference in commercial property taxes.
The claims were made as responses to Ofcom's Pay TV Market investigation.
Welcome to 2006.
dvtimes
01-25-09, 11:04 PM
Welcome to 2006.
I have noticed that when you loose your argument (which you do almost on a daily basis), that you lower yourself to insults.
It amuses me.
Welcome to 2006.
what i always find amusing is, these people act as if they were forced to sign a contract.
dvtimes
01-25-09, 11:19 PM
what i always find amusing is, these people act as if they were forced to sign a contract.
The problem is, if that pub does not get it, and the pub down the road does, it could loose them so much cash in customers.
But that said I wonder if it would have done the pubs harm not to have it.
Also I note on US TV shows many bars have TV's in them, and I wonder if they have to pay extra to have them there.
We do live in rip of britain after all.
Its a bit like if an old lady has classic fm on in her charity shop, and one of those music thugs phones up and heres the background music, the shop is sent abill for having music on.
TommyMac
01-26-09, 12:28 AM
There's a pub not too far from me that's ruff as a bear's arse. They have the footy on the old chipped dutch box and get all the prem games on Al Jazeera sport.
There's been a few fellas stabbed in this pub and the clientèle reflect that fact. As far as policing this new legislation goes, they might as well piss in the wind. They would need to raid this pub in full riot gear to remove that illegal football setup. Even then they'd probly get chased off the car park before they got out the van.
This is not a den of iniquity or some mad gangster pub, this is a good honest boozer. Keep your nose clean and don't fuck with old geezers and you'll be sound.
I think they need to consider "real politik" with this. The police enforcing this will just fuck it off for an easy life!
I have noticed that when you loose your argument (which you do almost on a daily basis), that you lower yourself to insults.
It amuses me.
Lose what argunment you fuckin retard?
The bollocks surrounding how much Sky charges boozers has been going on for years now, so fuck off and nick some content or shag one of your neighbours cause you know less than fuck all about football.:reading:
Lose what argunment you fuckin retard?
The bollocks surrounding how much Sky charges boozers has been going on for years now, so fuck off and nick some content or shag one of your neighbours cause you know less than fuck all about football.:reading:
I genuinely L'old (No offence DVT but it was a v funny rant)
:)
Paul Markham
01-27-09, 07:18 AM
So if they reduced the price they would reduce the piracy.
So if we reduced the price of pornsites that would reduce the piracy as well. How many here preaching one thing are doing the opposite?
And if all the people who stole were paying for their porn sites the cost would drop.
So much twisted logic here. Look at how we run our business to see how we feel about the customer, prices and piracy.
tonyd1g1t
01-27-09, 02:56 PM
So if they reduced the price they would reduce the piracy.
So if we reduced the price of pornsites that would reduce the piracy as well. How many here preaching one thing are doing the opposite?
And if all the people who stole were paying for their porn sites the cost would drop.
So much twisted logic here. Look at how we run our business to see how we feel about the customer, prices and piracy.
I dont think it would make a difference even if you dropped the price of pornsites or sky subscription people wont pay for it aslong as they can get it for free. You could do a pound for porn day and people would still pirate it. its the way of the world. :character0073:
I dont think it would make a difference even if you dropped the price of pornsites or sky subscription people wont pay for it aslong as they can get it for free. You could do a pound for porn day and people would still pirate it. its the way of the world. :character0073:
Utter gash.
If MP3s on iTunes or Amazon were 2p each, I bet you any number of packets of fruitellas that music piracy would (almost) stop overnight.
It is driven by price and convenience.
Yes, you could go to a torrent site and wait for ages to download something that may or may not turn out to be the album you wanted, at a probably not very good bitrate. You then unrar it, check it for viruses, enjoy. Or you go to itunes, click once, few mins later you have the songs you wanted.
iTunes works because of it's ease of use. If the pricing was massively reduced I am utterly convinced more people would buy rather than steal.
Same with tv and movie content.
IMHO
dvtimes
01-27-09, 03:13 PM
People do not mind paying if they feel they get there moneys worth and not being coned.
The problem is, the UK is a rip off. We know that even MP3 music is cheaper in the USA!!!!!!!!
To be honest, daft as it sounds, the only segment that seems to be fair with people is porn sites. I mean £20 give or take a month to join a porn site is cheaper than say a ten min chat to one of those tv channels where the girl talks to you with her boobs out.
Look at razor blades. Its like £6 for a packet of 6 blades, that I bet cost 2p each to make.
If Sky charged pubs less, then more pubs would show games and stuff. All this does is make Sky look bad and gives them a bad name. If more pubs had it, it would be an advert for pub goers, who in turn may sign up to it.
As I say if cd's were about £3 each no one would bother to copy them, they would buy.
I have noticed that when you loose your argument (which you do almost on a daily basis), that you lower yourself to insults.
It amuses me.
You've only just realised that?
:)
tonyd1g1t
01-27-09, 03:23 PM
[QUOTE=Damian]Utter gash.
If MP3s on iTunes or Amazon were 2p each, I bet you any number of packets of fruitellas that music piracy would (almost) stop overnight.
It is driven by price and convenience.
even if you lowered the price there are still tight bastards out there who wouldnt want to pay. these people will always exist. fuck the fruitellas chewits are way to go.
[QUOTE=Damian]Utter gash.
If MP3s on iTunes or Amazon were 2p each, I bet you any number of packets of fruitellas that music piracy would (almost) stop overnight.
It is driven by price and convenience.
even if you lowered the price there are still tight bastards out there who wouldnt want to pay. these people will always exist. fuck the fruitellas chewits are way to go.
OK, with respect, I don't think you know what you are talking about.
Pirates are not 'tight bastards'. They are collectors, geeks that want to share and obtain everything they can. It's very little to do with price, or sticking it to the man.
The 'tight bastards' you are referring to are exactly the ones who would stop pirating if songs cost 2p.
Of course you will never irradicate piracy. Ever. But, you could reduce it massively with the right pricing.
Chewits are WAK.
:P
tonyd1g1t
01-27-09, 03:41 PM
[QUOTE=tonyd1g1t]
OK, with respect, I don't think you know what you are talking about.
Pirates are not 'tight bastards'. They are collectors, geeks that want to share and obtain everything they can. It's very little to do with price, or sticking it to the man.
The 'tight bastards' you are referring to are exactly the ones who would stop pirating if songs cost 2p.
Of course you will never irradicate piracy. Ever. But, you could reduce it massively with the right pricing.
Chewits are WAK.
:P
you just said it yourself that you will never stop it. thats all i was saying. jog on fruitella boy.
[QUOTE=Damian]
you just said it yourself that you will never stop it. thats all i was saying. jog on fruitella boy.
Oh sorry. I thought you said:
I dont think it would make a difference even if you dropped the price
And that is the statement I had an issue with.
Sorry for totally misunderstanding you.
You've only just realised that?
:)
Another retard.:P
[quote=tonyd1g1t]
Pirates are not 'tight bastards'. They are collectors, geeks that want to share and obtain everything they can. It's very little to do with price, or sticking it to the man.
:P
No. They are fuckin thieves so it does not matter what is costs,so you are right on that score.
No. They are fuckin thieves so does not matter so you are right on that score.
Once again, it's copyright infringement, not theft. But go ahead and call me names rather than make anything that resembles a point. It makes laughing at you so much more enjoyable.
Another retard.:P
I love the way you so proudly live up to my expectations of you.
Once again, it's copyright infringement, not theft. But go ahead and call me names rather than make anything that resembles a point. .
Let me explain one thing to you; To me copyright infringement and how the pirates operate is theft because some content owner somewhere is not getting paid for their content. I wouldn't expect you to understand that taken your historical activities in repsect of downloading.:reading:
Let me explain one thing to you; To me copyright infringement and how the pirates operate is theft because some content owner somewhere is not getting paid for their content.
a) your use of a semi-colon was wrong in two ways. First off, it was completely misplaced. You either use a semi-colon to connect to different clauses or as a 'final' comma at the end of a list. Second off, you don't put a capital letter after a semi-colon. See more here (http://www.essortment.com/all/semicolon_rcnr.htm).
b) Copyright infringement is neither by dictionary, nor legal definition, classed or described as theft. But if you want to misuse words in the way you misuse punctuation, do carry on.
:catfight:
I preferred it when you had him blocked :cry:
I preferred it when you had him blocked :cry:
OK, I'll pop him back on ignore tomorrow. I need more of a challenge anyway really. With him, it's all a bit too much like: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomla/349893199/
xxx
a) your use of a semi-colon was wrong in two ways. First off, it was completely misplaced. You either use a semi-colon to connect to different clauses or as a 'final' comma at the end of a list. Second off, you don't put a capital letter after a semi-colon. See more here (http://www.essortment.com/all/semicolon_rcnr.htm).
b) Copyright infringement is neither by dictionary, nor legal definition, classed or described as theft. But if you want to misuse words in the way you misuse punctuation, do carry on.
It would be nice one day to get involved in a thread without you being condescending, ruining threads with your smart arse answers/comments or diverting the thread in some way with your replies.
How I punctuate my posts has nothing to do with you cause this is an adult webmaster/industry board not an English class.
How I view copyright infringement and/or piracy is upto me and I will say again, taken your historical activities in respect of downloading I wouldn't expect you to grasp the right and wrong of it.
I preferred it when you had him blocked :cry:
So did I.
How I punctuate my posts has nothing to do with you cause this is an adult webmaster/industry board not an English class.
How I view copyright infringement and/or piracy is upto me
Ah I see. psl redefines communication:
Step One. Ignore punctuation rules.
Step Two. Ignore dictionary and legal definitions of words and just make up your own definitions.
You are brilliant.
Rather than actually argue against my point (or make a point at all), you just refuse to accept you are using the word incorrectly and call me names!
You are awesome at arguing! This is such fun!
Ah I see. psl redefines communication:
Step One. Ignore punctuation rules.
Step Two. Ignore dictionary and legal definitions of words and just make up your own definitions.
You are brilliant.
Rather than actually argue against my point (or make a point at all), you just refuse to accept you are using the word incorrectly and call me names!
You are awesome at arguing! This is such fun!
You should have been a school teacher.
My point is there is no difference to me between copyright infringement and piracy because stealing content by whatever means is stealing.
My point is there is no difference to me between copyright infringement and piracy because stealing content by whatever means is stealing.
That's a great point and you're more than entitled to your opinion.
Unfortunately the law and those pesky people that make dictionaries disagree with you. But whatever.
But whatever.
Have you been to the psl school of arguing?:reading:
Have you been to the psl school of arguing?:reading:
No, because I made a point, which is that you are not using a dictionary, nor legal, definition of words. Which some may suggest is churlish.
Your school of arguing goes like this:
psl: makes a thread, ususally about something he doesn't fully get
damian: asks a question, thus pointing out psl doesn't quite get it
psl: calls damian names, makes no point or counter-argument and throws his toys out of the pram
Surely you know how it goes after all this time?
xxx
No, because I made a point, which is that you are not using a dictionary, nor legal, definition of words. Which some may suggest is churlish.
Your school of arguing goes like this:
psl: makes a thread, ususally about something he doesn't fully get
damian: asks a question, thus pointing out psl doesn't quite get it
psl: calls damian names, makes no point or counter-argument and throws his toys out of the pram
Surely you know how it goes after all this time?
xxx
I do know how it goes but you seem to be losing your sense of humour.
I much prefer arguing face to face ( without violence) but I will get the hang of arguing on here, one day.:noway2:
Off to night school now(the Cross Keys), english lit.......or is it English Bitter?
Paul Markham
01-27-09, 06:56 PM
I dont think it would make a difference even if you dropped the price of pornsites or sky subscription people wont pay for it aslong as they can get it for free. You could do a pound for porn day and people would still pirate it. its the way of the world. :character0073:
BIG SHOUT TO JOHN.
We need a sarcasm button.
I was trying to be sarcastic about dropping prices for Sky is fine and not good for us.
I think porn price is part of the deal, but also most people want 30 minutes not 30 days recurring. And selling them a single movie for $5 is not an option either.
Damian has a point and there is a price most would pay for what they need. The problem is not getting the porn to them for that price. The problem is getting them to the porn for that price. This industry could deliver movie scenes for cents. BW is nothing, once bought it's owned for life, the rest is quite cheap. So why are sites asking for $30 or more for what some are happy to consume for free?
I'm competing with Tubes by giving away a free live hardcore show every day to members. It works fine and initial signs are the conversion ratios have improved. Far to early to tell about retention, but I'm hopeful.
You will never stop theft, it has not happened in the off line world and will not happen in the online one. But we can close Tube sites and we could just find the P2P guys and sue them, or send them a letter saying we will sue them unless they pay up. Making it cost effective is the only situation that needs resolving. Fans sharing is piracy and if anyone thinks it's good for them to share, then it's good for me to go to there site download everything and share it with who ever wants it, via a Tube site. :P
Pirates take money out of pockets by taking sales. Might not be theft in the courts, but it is to those losing the money.
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