View Full Version : Etiquette Question Re using sponsors content WITHIN THE ACTUAL SITE DESIGN...
This is really a question regarding the etiquette of using promo pics from sponsors within the design of a blog theme...
Im currently spending quite a bit of cash, having a pro blog theme done, by a 'top end' USA company, which will be for a (QUALITY) blog that is 100% UK orientated, and designed to promote and send sales to UK sites...
Now in the header, if I wanted to have some UK girls incorporated, from 'free' sponsors promo content, would I need to contact each sponsor individually, or is it considered 'OK' to do this?
For example, if I wanted to have them create a 'montage' in the header, of some 'recognizable UK females... say (For just 3 easy Examples...) Lady Sonia from Lady Sonia, Lolly Badcock from 3wayscash, a girl from 'Only Tease' etc etc....
Would I need to contact the sponsor's separately and ask thier individual permissions to use specific pics? Or is it cool to just give the designer a free hand, and say that he can use any pics from the sponsor provided content that the people I will be PROMOTING on the blog, have made available for promotion?
Im NOT talking about using stuff from members areas, but just the same stuff that I could link up as a pic on a blog, with a ref link, without any issues... BUT INCORPERATED into the actual header graphic of the blog itself?
I know while typing this the answer is really 'Talk to the sponsor individually'... And if need be, I will... But am I over thinking this?
In other words, whats the etiquette of this situation? Just covering my back before I continue, and (Truthfully) looking for the easiest and least hassle free way to proceed...
Thanks
EDIT: Part of the reason I am asking this, is because nearly all of the sponsors I will be promoting on the blog, Post on this board :)
surly if your spending a lot on a design to spend a little more and get your own images would be better? after all most affiliate images tend to be over used so if your investing cash into a design using "old" stock free images may put punters off when arriving at your index if they see the same old stuff
Do you mind tell what type of money your paying for this design ? just curious
mOBSCENE
01-16-09, 11:40 AM
I think if it was a blog promoting purely say, Lady Sonia, and you used LS content for the blog design, it wouldn't be an issue (although would check the T&C's always).
It is a bit of a minefield - it's less of an issue if you were say, using POTD's from two different sponsors on one page as I think that's largely unavoidable and in any case that content leads directly to sponsor, but actually taking content and putting it into a design which promotes various other sites might not be acceptable to some, whereas might be OK with others.
I think the proviso is talk to the individual sponsors - it's better than having someone stumble across your site and saying "WTF is going on here?" and risk a bit of a spat.
Cardinal_Sin
01-16-09, 11:41 AM
You would need to contact each sponsor - Some sponsors would even require to ok the finished design -
Stop drinking just Red Bull and put some Vodka in it as well, even if it is morning:noway2:
Mobscene is right just contact the individual sponsors and tell them your plans.I can't see why they wouldn't say yes but if they say no find a new sponsor who will help you, it's business.
surly if your spending a lot on a design to spend a little more and get your own images would be better?
I actually have my OWN images.. I shoot some of the top end UK pornstars, for my own MICRO NICHE FETISH site... (Going live in Feb...) So I could use Alisha Leigh, Elizabeth Michelle Lawrence, Harmony Hex, Maise Dee, Shay Hendrix, etc etc...
BUT... Those image's will not nessecerally fit in with some of my sponsors.... ie Lady Sonia.. Never shot her myslf.. Never will :)
BUT... I'm prepared to PROMOTE HER TO FUCK ON MY SITE...
after all most affiliate images tend to be over used so if your investing cash into a design using "old" stock free images may put punters off when arriving at your index if they see the same old stuff
Yeah, but Lady-Sonia, for example... Is 'Brand recognition'... So it fits in with my 'promo stuff'...
Do you mind tell what type of money your paying for this design ? just curious
Not at all.. Just drop me an e at BillInTheUK @ Googlemail DOT com.. :)
Stop drinking just Red Bull and put some Vodka in it as well, even if it is morning:noway2:
Mobscene is right just contact the individual sponsors and tell them your plans.I can't see why they wouldn't say yes but if they say no find a new sponsor who will help you, it's business.
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If it was my sites, I wouldnt be happy you used it without asking, unless it was a site that was dedicated to the site you was promoting.
So multi girl/site but using me as a sponsor = no
single girl/site dedicated to my site only = yes
If your paying for it to be designed its probably worth contacting the sponsors first just to get their ok, you wouldn't want to have to re do the the site:noway2:
Also if its UK orientated you should join our affiliate program :cheer: we convert quality UK traffic very well so give me a shout and we can work something out :cheer:
redwhiteandblue
01-16-09, 12:14 PM
but if they say no find a new sponsor who will help you, it's business.
Find a new sponsor, just because the one you wanted to promote wouldn't let you use their copyrighted material for a purpose for which it wasn't intended?
If it was my sites, I wouldnt be happy you used it without asking, unless it was a site that was dedicated to the site you was promoting.
So multi girl/site but using me as a sponsor = no
single girl/site dedicated to my site only = yes
Fair play... Thats cool.. Thanks :)
If your paying for it to be designed its probably worth contacting the sponsors first just to get their ok, you wouldn't want to have to re do the the site:noway2:
Also if its UK orientated you should join our affiliate program :cheer: we convert quality UK traffic very well so give me a shout and we can work something out :cheer:
Your dating site is due to be a (Unique, individual) 'button' at the top :)
Find a new sponsor, just because the one you wanted to promote wouldn't let you use their copyrighted material for a purpose for which it wasn't intended?
Fair comment... BUT.. The purpose of the content, (In my situation) s designed to send sales to THAT site...
redwhiteandblue
01-16-09, 12:22 PM
Fair comment... BUT.. The purpose of the content, (In my situation) s designed to send sales to THAT site...
Yes, granted, but I wouldn't stop promoting a sponsor just because they wouldn't let me use their images for the site design!
I don't see a problem and think any sponsor who would have a problem is a wanker, we already know JT is so...
If I make a blog I can use 4-5 different sponsors content within in that blog so I don't see this as being any different. OK I would have some text, pic and link to that particular sponsor in that particular post but I would still have all different content on the main page. The header would not be linked to any sponsor so its not like the images will be promoting someone elses site and its not like he is going to use sponsor content with HIS watermark on :noway2:
I would not think it would be a problem but having said that I would still contact the sponsors, I always do if I am doing something like this.
Yes, granted, but I wouldn't stop promoting a sponsor just because they wouldn't let me use their images for the site design!
:) Neither would I ! My point is this...
I have plenty of UK recognizable girls photos that I have shot myself, which I *can* use in a blog header... Or anywhere else I want!
But... Again, as example... I have not shot Lady Sonia... But I would be promoting her site.... &, like I say, I personally probably never will... (Just being realistic...)
Plus, I haven't shot Lolly Badcock... (yet) But if I am promoting her site via 3wayscash... Should I be afraid to use her image in the blog header?
Like Im trying to say...
Im NOT looking to get into arguments with sponsors! Im just raising the point re usage of sponsor content, in as far as usage goes when you ARE promoting them :)
I am raising the issue for both clarification as well as debate !
If it was my sites, I wouldnt be happy you used it without asking, unless it was a site that was dedicated to the site you was promoting.
So multi girl/site but using me as a sponsor = no
single girl/site dedicated to my site only = yes
OK, so what your saying, is if I had a blog, that promoted Shiva Shaw, to the extent of 1 in 10 posts being regarding Shiva Shaw... (Including her her in a rotating header and footer banner scenario...) You wouldn't want me to 'Feature Her' on the permanent header of my site????
OK, Im being argumentative.. But only cause I wanna clarify shit for myself!
Thanks TGITC let me know if you need any extra resources and banners etc.Back on topic, I guess you can technically use what ever images you want because of fair use law so unless a sponsor specifically asks you to remove an image you dont have to.
Still think it would be wiser and alot less hassle to just ask the sponsors that your promoting if its ok to avoid any potential flak especially as your an affiliate of theres it shouldn't be to hard to get an answer.
OK, so what your saying, is if I had a blog, that promoted Shiva Shaw, to the extent of 1 in 10 posts being regarding Shiva Shaw... (Including her her in a rotating header and footer banner scenario...) You wouldn't want me to 'Feature Her' on the permanent header of my site????
correct
OK, Im being argumentative.. But only cause I wanna clarify shit for myself!
Doesn't seem argumentative to me, very valid question.
The problem is when you start allowing people to use content that isnt being used for the sole purpose of promoting your site, is that firstly you are losing a certain amount of branding/exclusivity and secondly, it almost becomes a free for all, people see that content out there and use it, thirdly, where does it end, at what point do I say no? The only answer is at the begining.
Saying that if it was someone I knew, not just a random affiliate and they asked me, I would probably say yes, but that would depend on what they wanted exactly and what they was doing with it.
correct
Doesn't seem argumentative to me, very valid question.
The problem is when you start allowing people to use content that isnt being used for the sole purpose of promoting your site, is that firstly you are losing a certain amount of branding/exclusivity and secondly, it almost becomes a free for all, people see that content out there and use it, thirdly, where does it end, at what point do I say no? The only answer is at the begining.
Saying that if it was someone I knew, not just a random affiliate and they asked me, I would probably say yes, but that would depend on what they wanted exactly and what they was doing with it.
Fair play.. As you can see... Im all about the promo... And doing it "right"
Not about the content itself, cause I dont have any of my own... Because I do...
But thanks for your clarification regarding my thread :)
Saying that if it was someone I knew, not just a random affiliate and they asked me, I would probably say yes, but that would depend on what they wanted exactly and what they was doing with it.
The thing is though that the "dodgy" wankers will use sponsor content for whatever they want anyway, including paysites...thanks JT ;)
I think if an affiliate is asking then their intentions are good, if the affiliate has been with you a while and making regular sales then I don't see a problem.
If I make a blog I can use 4-5 different sponsors content within in that blog so I don't see this as being any different.
One is using the sponsors content to try and sell the sponsors site, the other is using the sponsors content to brand your own site and sell other sponsors on the back of that branding.
Again, where does it end? When dvd was using sponsors videos to push traffic to his site, he was promoting those sponsors on his site, is that ok?
Thats the problem, when you let people do anything with your content that isnt soley promoting your site, you are on a where do you draw the line?
Thats why I would say no, unless like I say someone I knew asked me as a favour, then Id say yes probably. So if TGIC asked me I would probably say yes, but if a random affiliate asked me I'd say no
if the affiliate has been with you a while and making regular sales then I don't see a problem.
Money talks ;)
Yes, granted, but I wouldn't stop promoting a sponsor just because they wouldn't let me use their images for the site design!
Nobody said he should stop promoting a sponsor because they will not help their affiliate promote their site and possibly increase sales.
If it was my sites, I wouldnt be happy you used it without asking, unless it was a site that was dedicated to the site you was promoting.
So multi girl/site but using me as a sponsor = no
single girl/site dedicated to my site only = yes
What the man said.
OK, so what your saying, is if I had a blog, that promoted Shiva Shaw, to the extent of 1 in 10 posts being regarding Shiva Shaw... (Including her her in a rotating header and footer banner scenario...) You wouldn't want me to 'Feature Her' on the permanent header of my site????
OK, Im being argumentative.. But only cause I wanna clarify shit for myself!
It's not about posts its about sales. Make enough money for a sponsor and they *might* let you. Make a load of posts and no sales and the image would come down. :)
OK, so Im going to be argumentative... NOT.. 'TO GET MY OWN WAY'.. But to make a point..
JT says:
http://www.beerandbollocks.com/forum/showpost.php?p=250329&postcount=9
And here I am, looking to spend around £450 / £600 with a 'top end' design business, looking to get a custom 'UK Themed' design, intended ONLY to promote and send sales to UK sites... And theres a problem with me using free promo content, (and Im just talking about a clothed, head and shoulders shot) of content... FROM THE SITES I AM PROMOTING... within a blog HEADER...
:)
It makes me laugh... Im sorry, but it really does !
I mean, for example... I dont send HUGE sales to JT... I dont send HUGE sales to Lady Sonia... But only cause currently... I CANT...
Yet, I look towards getting myself into a serious position, with a better, more professional blog design (Than I could ever do...) In order to try to begin sending serious sales... And I open my OWN pocket to make this happen... To the tune of the figures above... & putting what is to me, serious money... Into a design that will enable me to SEND more sales...
And it appears its an issue !
OK, so Im going to be argumentative... NOT.. 'TO GET MY OWN WAY'.. But to make a point..
JT says:
http://www.beerandbollocks.com/forum/showpost.php?p=250329&postcount=9
And here I am, looking to spend around £450 / £600 with a 'top end' design business, looking to get a custom 'UK Themed' design, intended ONLY to promote and send sales to UK sites... And theres a problem with me using free promo content, (and Im just talking about a clothed, head and shoulders shot) of content... FROM THE SITES I AM PROMOTING... within a blog HEADER...
:)
It makes me laugh... Im sorry, but it really does !
I mean, for example... I dont send HUGE sales to JT... I dont send HUGE sales to Lady Sonia... But only cause currently... I CANT...
Yet, I look towards getting myself into a serious position, with a better, more professional blog design (Than I could ever do...) In order to try to begin sending serious sales... And I open my OWN pocket to make this happen... To the tune of the figures above... & putting what is to me, serious money... Into a design that will enable me to SEND more sales...
And it appears its an issue !
Refere to the bit that says :)
unless like I say someone I knew asked me as a favour, then Id say yes probably. So if TGIC asked me I would probably say yes, but if a random affiliate asked me I'd say no
You cant blanket just allow anyone to do whatever they want in case they may or may not send you a sale in the future. You have to do it on a case by case basis. :)
Refere to the bit that says :)
You cant blanket just allow anyone to do whatever they want in case they may or may not send you a sale in the future. You have to do it on a case by case basis. :)
OK. Fair Play...
Sorry :)
OK, so Im going to be argumentative... NOT.. 'TO GET MY OWN WAY'.. But to make a point..
JT says:
http://www.beerandbollocks.com/forum/showpost.php?p=250329&postcount=9
And here I am, looking to spend around £450 / £600 with a 'top end' design business, looking to get a custom 'UK Themed' design, intended ONLY to promote and send sales to UK sites... And theres a problem with me using free promo content, (and Im just talking about a clothed, head and shoulders shot) of content... FROM THE SITES I AM PROMOTING... within a blog HEADER...
:)
It makes me laugh... Im sorry, but it really does !
I mean, for example... I dont send HUGE sales to JT... I dont send HUGE sales to Lady Sonia... But only cause currently... I CANT...
Yet, I look towards getting myself into a serious position, with a better, more professional blog design (Than I could ever do...) In order to try to begin sending serious sales... And I open my OWN pocket to make this happen... To the tune of the figures above... & putting what is to me, serious money... Into a design that will enable me to SEND more sales...
And it appears its an issue !
Times change and I don't really think you are understanding what you are asking. To some of us now our content is our "branding" and it's really not just about using it in a design. In the days when TGPs and blogs made proper sales it was different as they were different days.
Times change and I don't really think you are understanding what you are asking. To some of us now our content is our "branding" and it's really not just about using it in a design. In the days when TGPs and blogs made proper sales it was different as they were different days.
Again, fair enough... No problem :)
Again, fair enough... No problem :)
Our product and our branding is very important to us now. :)
Times change and I don't really think you are understanding what you are asking. To some of us now our content is our "branding" and it's really not just about using it in a design. In the days when TGPs and blogs made proper sales it was different as they were different days.
I can understand you wanting to protect your brand SGS but you seem to be just dismissing TGITCs request out of hand.He is making an investment in his site as you have in your brand and I don't understand why you don't discuss how his blog will look with him and then base your decision on those discussions.You may have already done that this, I don't know. After all if you don't like what he wants to do you don't have to do it but then again you may like it and you both can earn from it.
Just a thought in light of Sir Aalan Sugar and JT's plea to buy Birtish:reading:
I can understand you wanting to protect your brand SGS but you seem to be just dismissing TGITCs request out of hand.He is making an investment in his site as you have in your brand and I don't understand why you don't discuss how his blog will look with him and then base your decision on those discussions.You may have already done that this, I don't know. After all if you don't like what he wants to do you don't have to do it but then again you may like it and you both can earn from it.
Just a thought in light of Sir Aalan Sugar and JT's plea to buy Birtish:reading:
I am a businessman and I base my decisions on how many sales that we would actually get from a start up blog and then would need to see the quality/direction/theme of the posts on the blog (which you couldn’t do if the design comes before that happens). To use one of my images in a design I would need to earn an awful lot of money from it.
I am a businessman and I base my decisions on how many sales that we would actually get from a start up blog and then would need to see the quality/direction/theme of the posts on the blog (which you couldn’t do if the design comes before that happens). To use one of my images in a design I would need to earn an awful lot of money from it.
I understand you are business man and I also understand that you cannot just allow your branded content to be used without your permission and if you do allow its use you have to conduct due diligence.
I am just amazed that you dismissed the suggestion without exploring it but then it is your business and your decision.
Even if you didn't agree to the use of your branded content you may both have learnt something new from the discussions.But hey ho it's Friday.
I can completely understand SGS's point, it's not something i'd ever ask of a sponsor unless I was doing large sales, so it'll probably never come to that.
Image rights are a big thing, and once you step away from allowing content to be used in an agreed and acceptable way, you run the risk of losing control over the way in which your brand is being used and promoted. If you have a very strong image and brand, then you're likely to see it as being used to stregnthen to other brands along side it, which in turn is only going to dilute your own.
I understand you are business man and I also understand that you cannot just allow your branded content to be used without your permission and if you do allow its use you have to conduct due diligence.
I am just amazed that you dismissed the suggestion without exploring it but then it is your business and your decision.
Even if you didn't agree to the use of your branded content you may both have learnt something new from the discussions.But hey ho it's Friday.
Sorry, to explain myself a bit better. I don't believe anyone starting a blog now would generate enough sales to persuade us to use one of our images in a design.
If you had been doing this as long as we have you would have seen the million and one other possible problems that come up with this sort of thing as time goes on like an affiliate dropping you and keeping the image, etc, etc, etc. Saying no is just so much easier in the long run.
Sorry, to explain myself a bit better. I don't believe anyone starting a blog now would generate enough sales to persuade us to use one of our images in a design.
If you had been doing this as long as we have you would have seen the million and one other possible problems that come up with this sort of thing as time goes on like an affiliate dropping you and keeping the image, etc, etc, etc. Saying no is just so much easier in the long run.
OK I do understand a lot better now and as you say you have been at it a lot longer than me, websites that is, so therefore you know what can and does happen with your barnded content.I just wanted to see TGITC get a flying start with his blog using quality content as he is a fellow board member,as are you.Perhaps I should leave the promotion of SMEs to Sir Alan, Sir Richard,Theo and the likes.
OK I do understand a lot better now and as you say you have been at it a lot longer than me, websites that is, so therefore you know what can and does happen with your barnded content.I just wanted to see TGITC get a flying start with his blog using quality content as he is a fellow board member,as are you.Perhaps I should leave the promotion of SMEs to Sir Alan, Sir Richard,Theo and the likes.
You think they would have given him a flying start without seeing a substantial return? :)
You think they would have given him a flying start without seeing a substantial return? :)
The percentage of return is always speculative in any start up situation but if you have quality branded content to promote and support then the percentage of return should only increase.:rolleye0012:
The percentage of return is always speculative in any start up situation but if you have quality branded content to promote and support then the percentage of return should only increase.:rolleye0012:
Knowing what you are doing turns speculation into a business decision and the smart business decisions nowadays are heading towards in house sales and marketing.
Bernice
01-16-09, 05:29 PM
I cant say for other sponsore obviously BUT if an affiliate came to me and told me what he or she was doing and I thought it a reasonable request (and this seems to be pretty reasonable) I'd let him have some pics to stitch into the sites design.
I cant see its any different from having TGPs up myself or free hosted content. The only proviso I'd make ( and I make this to any affiliate and its pretty much common sense ) is you cant use ANY of my images to promote sites which feature CP including sites which contain words like 'under-age', 'lolita' etc and you cant use my content on sites which contain links to illegal content whther or not they are on your site.
Course my sites do crap these days so I doubt a sponsor so I doubt an affiliate would be interested anyway but when I was big ( about 5 years ago ) I used to allow affiliates to do this sort of thing, even shot content solely for affiliates with their branding if they were big enough.
Knowing what you are doing turns speculation into a business decision and the smart business decisions nowadays are heading towards in house sales and marketing.
OK so why not just say 'No you can't use any images because I am not taking on anymore affiliates'?
Out of interest how many affiliates do you have now compared to when you made the decision to do in-house sales and marketing, assuming you made the decision a while ago and as part of the process you terminate the contract of the non-performing affiliates?
To use one of my images in a design I would need to earn an awful lot of money from it.
Using one image in a blog to let people know who is featured in the blog is no big deal, you would want an "awful lot of money" to let someone use an image in a header yet you give all your content away for around $30.
You also mention about it being a nightmare should affiliates stop promoting but keep an image up. If that happens then you deal with it, you deal with this sort of stuff all the time, at least you would know where to look if you know where its being used.
What about fake TGP's that use images from a sponsor but have links to 100 other sites?, it could be a fetish site with a thumb of Lady Sonia. Well her image would be on that site and although not an actual header it is part of the site design.
I honestly don't see what TGITC wants to do as a big deal, like I said I would always ask and in this case I would call the sponsor a wanker for not allowing it...wanker
For the record, you can use any 3wayscash promo content in this way. If you want specific images, I can arrange that for you.
Made me think of this
Johnny wanted to have sex with a girl in his office,
but she belonged to someone else...
One day, Johnny got so frustrated that he went up to
her and said, 'I'll give you a £100 if you let me
screw you. But the girl said NO.
Johnny said, 'I'll be fast. I'll throw the money on
the floor, you bend down, and I'll be finished by the
time you pick it up. '
She thought for a moment and said that she would have
to consult her boyfriend... So she called her
boyfriend and told him the story.
Her boyfriend says, 'Ask him for £200, pick up the
money very fast, he won't even be able to get his
pants down.'
So she agrees and accepts the proposal. Half an hour
goes by, and the boyfriend is waiting for his
girlfriend to call.
Finally, after 45 minutes, the boyfriend calls and
asks what happened.
She responded, 'The bastard used coins!'
Management lesson: Always consider a business proposal in its entirety before agreeing to it and getting screwed!
So was Lady Sonias image bought for an "awful lot of money" on here (http://www.classic-ladies.com/) or did they just ask to use it and you allowed it?
I might be made to look a mug and SGS will tell me they paid a load of cash to use it in the "header", but if not what is difference between that and what TGITC wants to do. At least he will have more than one image in the header so people will know its promoting all the women in the header where this (http://www.classic-ladies.com/) just has LS.
Oops or maybe I just grassed someone up :catfight:
OK so why not just say 'No you can't use any images because I am not taking on anymore affiliates'?
Out of interest how many affiliates do you have now compared to when you made the decision to do in-house sales and marketing, assuming you made the decision a while ago and as part of the process you terminate the contract of the non-performing affiliates?
We do still take new affiliates and why would we terminate non-performing affiliates? That's really not how adult online works. :)
This is 2009 and if you set yourself up to be 100% reliant on affiliate sales you are going to struggle. I would guess that more than 70% of active affiliates around in the business a couple of years ago have now moved on or moved out. I don't think there is a single site out there 100% reliant on affiliate sales anymore. The last year that we were 100% geared towards affiliate sales we paid out more that it would cost to have a team at Saatchi & Saatchi on retainer so it made business sense to employ a good team of people to generate in house sales.
So was Lady Sonias image bought for an "awful lot of money" on here (http://www.classic-ladies.com/) or did they just ask to use it and you allowed it?
I might be made to look a mug and SGS will tell me they paid a load of cash to use it in the "header", but if not what is difference between that and what TGITC wants to do. At least he will have more than one image in the header so people will know its promoting all the women in the header where this (http://www.classic-ladies.com/) just has LS.
Oops or maybe I just grassed someone up :catfight:
I own that site.
I own that site.
There you go then :)
Although you were speaking of branding etc and that site has a header with LS and then links to all other sites. I know its your image, well LS's, so you can do what you like with it but why does that site not fuck with your branding as its just the sort of thing TGITC wants to do...sort of
Although you were speaking of branding etc and that site has a header with LS and then links to all other sites. I know its your image, well LS's, so you can do what you like with it but why does that site not fuck with your branding as its just the sort of thing TGITC wants to do...sort of
I still have control. If I want to take it down I can in a heartbeat. I don't have to go to someone who has paid for a design and break them the bad news and be the villan. Our image and our design.
I still have control. If I want to take it down I can in a heartbeat. I don't have to go to someone who has paid for a design and break them the bad news and be the villan. Our image and our design.
Yeah I get that but I don't get the "branding" because that site is using your "brand" but to the average man on the net its got nothing to do with LS. JT (I think) said that if people see one affiliate doing it then they will think its ok, an affiliate seeing that site would think its just another affiliate who was using that image.
At the end of the day the person who owns the rights to an image can use them or let them be used, or not, exactly how they like and its tough titties for anyone wanting to use them. I just don't think in this case its a big deal, I bet there are plenty of dodgy bastards doing stuff with your content that you don't even know about.
I also bet that if SGS had said yes in this thread, there would be loads of dodgy bastards with blogs with LS headers in a couple of weeks time.
I also bet that if SGS had said yes in this thread, there would be loads of dodgy bastards with blogs with LS headers in a couple of weeks time.
No the dodgy bastards are doing it already, the dodgy bastards don't give a fuck what SGS says.
No the dodgy bastards are doing it already, the dodgy bastards don't give a fuck what SGS says.
Point taken :)
We do still take new affiliates and why would we terminate non-performing affiliates? That's really not how adult online works. :)
This is 2009 and if you set yourself up to be 100% reliant on affiliate sales you are going to struggle. I would guess that more than 70% of active affiliates around in the business a couple of years ago have now moved on or moved out. I don't think there is a single site out there 100% reliant on affiliate sales anymore. The last year that we were 100% geared towards affiliate sales we paid out more that it would cost to have a team at Saatchi & Saatchi on retainer so it made business sense to employ a good team of people to generate in house sales.
It was you that stated 'Knowing what you are doing turns speculation into a business decision and the smart business decisions nowadays are heading towards in house sales and marketing.'
That leads me to believe you now have a greater percentage of your sales generated from in-house and yet you will not terminate non-performing affiliates contracts!!
Having brand awareness and generating sales of the brand are two different things and I suspect that is why non-perfroming affiliates contracts are not terminated. I have known about Lady Sonia for years but never purchased a membership.There are people out there that have come across Lady Sonia for the first time, in the past, marketed by an affiliate probably, and purchased a membership.As you have said you paid out more to affiliates in a certain year when it would have been cheaper to have Saatchi & Saatchi on retainer so it stands to reason that the majority of your sales came from affiliates.
So to allow TGITC to have an image of LS in his blog design can only benefit the brand and sales, because you get increased brand awareness if he doesn't send through any sales but if he does send through sales you make money, or am I missing something?
No the dodgy bastards are doing it already, the dodgy bastards don't give a fuck what SGS says.
you mean they'd just take vids and redo them with their own URLs in them, for example?
you mean they'd just take vids and redo them with their own URLs in them, for example?
Even when they know they shouldn’t. We have RYC on standby for that inbred twat and also been warning other site owners about him over at *** as well. :)
or am I missing something?
You are so far off the point I am struggling to believe that you have any knowledge of how this business works at all?
It was you that stated 'Knowing what you are doing turns speculation into a business decision and the smart business decisions nowadays are heading towards in house sales and marketing.'
That leads me to believe you now have a greater percentage of your sales generated from in-house and yet you will not terminate non-performing affiliates contracts!!
Having brand awareness and generating sales of the brand are two different things and I suspect that is why non-perfroming affiliates contracts are not terminated. I have known about Lady Sonia for years but never purchased a membership.There are people out there that have come across Lady Sonia for the first time, in the past, marketed by an affiliate probably, and purchased a membership.As you have said you paid out more to affiliates in a certain year when it would have been cheaper to have Saatchi & Saatchi on retainer so it stands to reason that the majority of your sales came from affiliates.
So to allow TGITC to have an image of LS in his blog design can only benefit the brand and sales, because you get increased brand awareness if he doesn't send through any sales but if he does send through sales you make money, or am I missing something?
Yes, you are missing the fact that the image in the header isn't promoting brand awareness to sonia (or any of the others in the header). The way around it is to have say 4 images, in a 'soldier line', with text over each image with Lady Sonia, Lolly Badcock, X, and Y. Then you get a certain amount of brand/model awareness, and a little bit of making the surfer possibly look for the specific model's posts on the blog. First thing he sees is the header, thinks to himself I like the look of model whoever, and seeks out or uses the search function within the blog for her.
Dunno if that's a possible workaround for you (TGITC & SGS), doesn't necessarily have to be a soldier line thing, as long as the text superimposed on the relevant model gives her name.
Johnny Kleenexxx
01-17-09, 10:03 AM
TGITC as you know mate, it's not a pro design that makes a site
If this blog were already well established and slinging bucketloads
of well targetted Fetish/MILF/Cuckhold/Femdom/Pantyhose traffic
then i'm sure SGS could be seeing this in a different light..
tbh, creating the blog design ( at co$t ) around various sponsors
seems like a risk to me anyway tbh.. what if you ever want or
need to drop one of them in future ? or what of they drop you
and then get arsey about the fact you have incorporated their
content into your design ?.. unnecessary can of worms imo
my advice would be to create dedicated sponsor sub-blogs
the sub-blog headers you customise to suit individual sponsors
( as already stated, apparently ok if it's a 'leak free' solo promo )
then on the main blog design carry only content that YOU own
but create an embedded HPA effort with clickable hotspots to
the individual sponsor blogs, in addition to standard menu links
ballache but possible workaround if you can be arsed..
good luck
You are so far off the point I am struggling to believe that you have any knowledge of how this business works at all?
I have never professed that I have the depth of knowledge you or other people have on this board in respect of websites and I resepct you decision to say no to TGITCs request.
I am however still confused about your comment, the smart business has in house sales and marketing yet you still have performing and non performing affiliates. Are you saying that you can get the best of both worlds by keeping existing affiliates, both performing and non perfroming and have in-house sales and marketing?
Yes, you are missing the fact that the image in the header isn't promoting brand awareness to sonia (or any of the others in the header). The way around it is to have say 4 images, in a 'soldier line', with text over each image with Lady Sonia, Lolly Badcock, X, and Y. Then you get a certain amount of brand/model awareness, and a little bit of making the surfer possibly look for the specific model's posts on the blog. First thing he sees is the header, thinks to himself I like the look of model whoever, and seeks out or uses the search function within the blog for her.
Dunno if that's a possible workaround for you (TGITC & SGS), doesn't necessarily have to be a soldier line thing, as long as the text superimposed on the relevant model gives her name.
That gives me a better understanding, thanks Jel.
WOW! Can of worms eh?
Like I said, I was only asking... And I have had my answer: NO...
OK, thats cool...
For the record I will be using my own personally shot content... So no problems and nothing for anyone to worry about :)
Infact, I almost feel I'm the bad guy for even asking... Well, whatever...
Like I say, not to worry...
WOW! Can of worms eh?
Like I said, I was only asking... And I have had my answer: NO...
OK, thats cool...
For the record I will be using my own personally shot content... So no problems and nothing for anyone to worry about :)
Infact, I almost feel I'm the bad guy for even asking... Well, whatever...
Like I say, not to worry...
I dont see you as a bad guy for asking, was a good an interesting question but I thought this was just a theoretical question anyway?
Then suddenly the question seems to be aimed at sgs?
Just for the record, reguarding blog designs, if anyone wants one and they are an affiliate of mine, I will design it, stick the pics in the header and no you wouldn't just be allowed to promote my sites on it you could do what you want with it. I have done this for a few people on this forum.
I dont see you as a bad guy for asking, was a good an interesting question but I thought this was just a theoretical question anyway?
Then suddenly the question seems to be aimed at sgs?
I didn't see either TGITC or SGS as bad guys. An interesting thread all the same.
I dont see you as a bad guy for asking, was a good an interesting question but I thought this was just a theoretical question anyway?
Then suddenly the question seems to be aimed at sgs?
No, I dont really feel I am the bad guy... & theres nothing aimed at sgs by me...
All is good here :)
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