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dvtimes
12-11-05, 12:16 AM
Why do firms not use ccbill?
As an affiliate Prefer to sign up with ccbill sites. Mainly as its easy (all I need do is enter 3 bits of data and its done).
I also find that customers seem to sign up to sites that use ccbill over those that do not.
In truth I do not see what advantage there is not to use ccbill as payment.
Your thoughts.
IMO
Ccbill is a great 3rd party biller. It's well branded and a honest biller.
Sales wise people do complain about the scrub (if it exists)
Other reasons to not use ccbill is that the site they are selling may have been knocked back by them, so in turn the program had to run with paycom or verotel. Also established programs generaly use thier own MA which increases new joins even more.
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daveydude
12-11-05, 12:40 AM
People know and trust CCBill as a brand. For my money (literally) I prefer Epoch / Paycom because they take Switch & Solo as well, but once CCBill accept them I guess they will move up to first in our cascade unless Epoch can beat them on processing fees.
As an affilliate I will now only sign up with sites that use ccbill.
What I've found, and I'd be interested to hear if anyone has the same opinion, is that sites that have moved away from ccbill to nats or other processing systems. My income as an affilate drops to practically nil from that site.
My 2p worth.
one danger with CCBill is them forcing you to have the actual page where the surfer knocks in their details looks like well CCBill. to an observant surfer this may appear as there is one huge ass company running all sorts of sites, hence making niches less credible to them.
mOBSCENE
12-11-05, 01:40 AM
As an affilliate I will now only sign up with sites that use ccbill.
What I've found, and I'd be interested to hear if anyone has the same opinion, is that sites that have moved away from ccbill to nats or other processing systems. My income as an affilate drops to practically nil from that site.
My 2p worth.
I have mostly the opposite experience :)
Of course I have some sites that did shite with ccbill and are still doing shite now the sponsor's moved to Nats, but by and large they seem to have done better for me :)
In fact I've got to the point when I shudder in horror when I see the three little boxes which invite you to input your existing ccbill info, and do look out for sponsors using nats etc. Over the last year, my ccbill sponsors have been consistently outperformed by sponsors using other tracking systems. Then again, it could be just the sites - but I feel some of them should be doing a lot better than they are.
Overall, I don't think the processor a site uses makes any difference to it's ratios. In fact, I have the evidence to back it up at http://pandemos.net/asc.shtml - there's a good mix between CCBill, Verotel and own billing throughout.
As an affilliate I will now only sign up with sites that use ccbill.
What I've found, and I'd be interested to hear if anyone has the same opinion, is that sites that have moved away from ccbill to nats or other processing systems. My income as an affilate drops to practically nil from that site.
My 2p worth.
Exactly the same for me. I now will only ever sign up to CCBill programs. I also agree about when sites move to Nats the sales fall big style. I have dropped all sites that have moved away from CCBill to another payment system. Apart from one, whos sales have remained consistant
NumptyNuts
12-11-05, 10:38 AM
People know and trust CCBill as a brand. For my money (literally) I prefer Epoch / Paycom because they take Switch & Solo as well, but once CCBill accept them I guess they will move up to first in our cascade unless Epoch can beat them on processing fees.
Switch & Solo are only issued int he UK mate and are on their way out. Paycom's stats really suck, unless they are bundled into Nats or something similar. Funny thinig is I prefered your programme when it was on CCBill not theres so much billing going. Any news on the sms ordeal?
As a site owner I avoided CCBill for quite some time, I think it was mainly due to what was asked for on their site. I finally decided to sign up and see how it went with the info I could provide and my site was accepted.
I was using Verotel and although I had know problems with them I just felt that people were not signing up because of thier interface. I would see a lot of people hitting the "Join" page but ot actually signing up, that has improved with CCBill. I think it's because their sign up page doesn't look as amateurish and also more people know and trust CCBill.
As an affiliate I avoided CCBill for years and I can't even remember why.
The beauty with CCBill as an affiliate is that you can promote many many sites but you get just the one cheque. Even if you only made one sale per day from 10 or 20 sponsors you would get some nice little cheques.
The beauty with CCBill as an affiliate is that you can promote many many sites but you get just the one cheque. Even if you only made one sale per day from 10 or 20 sponsors you would get some nice little cheques.
:agree:
dvtimes
12-11-05, 05:52 PM
As an affiliate I avoided CCBill for years and I can't even remember why.
The beauty with CCBill as an affiliate is that you can promote many many sites but you get just the one cheque. Even if you only made one sale per day from 10 or 20 sponsors you would get some nice little cheques.
How do you set this up. I merge all the accounts into one, but I get seperate checks for each site. So can you arange for the checks to be merged into one?
After you've entered the three data items, you get a form with your existing account details. At the bottom, there's a line that says something like "Merge under xxxxxx?" Just check the Yes box.
Contact CCBill if you want to merge all your existing accounts under one. They did that for me a couple of years ago. without much fuss.
How do you set this up. I merge all the accounts into one, but I get seperate checks for each site. So can you arange for the checks to be merged into one?
I never set anything up I simply merge all account under a main one and bobs your uncle fannys your aunt.
dvtimes
12-11-05, 07:04 PM
I will have to check the nombers on the next few checks.
All the accounts are merged, but I may have one or two which are not.
dvtimes
12-11-05, 07:15 PM
one danger with CCBill is them forcing you to have the actual page where the surfer knocks in their details looks like well CCBill. to an observant surfer this may appear as there is one huge ass company running all sorts of sites, hence making niches less credible to them.
Interesting point, but I am not sure if this is a big problem. The simple option is to put up a page first that says somthing like, we use ccbill for payment....
In fact it makes sence to have a page that explains the billing system, what the costs are and so on. I see sme sites that when you press on join, you go direct to the ccbill sigh up page, which to be is very cold and would put me off. Much better to explain that the payment is done by ccbill and that it will be taken in $ but it will apear as £ (or your local currency) on your credit card statment.
It would also be usfull to ask people to check that there credit card will do online purchases as not all will. I myself had to ask Visa to allow me to pay for goods in the USA.
But as surfers join up not just one site but may join several, I suspect that ccbill gives them confidense. After all people do worry about entering there credit card details.
To me ccbill offers surfers somthing they have used before. Its not (almost) a hoshold name.
Of course the downside for us in the UK is that they do not take solo and switch which are popular in the uk.
CCBill James
12-11-05, 09:22 PM
Hello Everyone,
Thank you to all for the positive responses towards CCBill. If there are any specific questions you might have on this topic, please feel free to give us a call at the number below.
Dvtimes - If there are any affiliate accounts with us that you are not sure about them being merged, we'd be more then happy to check them out for you
Thanks
- James A
Clientsupport@ccbill.com
1-800-510-2859
dvtimes
12-11-05, 09:32 PM
Hello Everyone,
Thank you to all for the positive responses towards CCBill. If there are any specific questions you might have on this topic, please feel free to give us a call at the number below.
Dvtimes - If there are any affiliate accounts with us that you are not sure about them being merged, we'd be more then happy to check them out for you
Thanks
- James A
Clientsupport@ccbill.com
1-800-510-2859
Hi
Thats no problem.
To me ccbill are now a hosehold name.
But as your reading this, could I sugest that you list all the adult sites that offer affiliate schemes, as there are probably good sites to promote that I have not yet seen. It would just seem to make sense to list them on a site.
as there are probably good sites to promote that I have not yet seen.
Yeah mine :)
dvtimes
12-11-05, 09:38 PM
Yeah mine :)What is your site?
dvtimes
12-11-05, 09:46 PM
For a quick reference, can people post there ccbill sites in this thread:
http://www.beerandbollocks.com/forum/showthread.php?p=26067#post26067
I know there are some good ones.
Just had a good idea for a site. Rather than doing a review site for surfers, how about somone does one for webmasters. Ie, a site that tells you how good there affiliate scheme is, samples of the free hosted galeries. Even some technical stuff such as download speeds and reliability of the site (ie how often it crashes).
What is your site?
Check your PM ;)
Just had a good idea for a site. Rather than doing a review site for surfers, how about somone does one for webmasters. Ie, a site that tells you how good there affiliate scheme is, samples of the free hosted galeries. Even some technical stuff such as download speeds and reliability of the site (ie how often it crashes).
Not a bad idea at all, why not give it a go :)
dvtimes
12-11-05, 09:54 PM
Not a bad idea at all, why not give it a go :)
I aint very good at websites.
But I am sure somone who can do sites, would do a good job, and also make money from it from the webmaster refereal bit.
Also I am sure somone who knows what they are doing could be able to work out reliability of sites and so on.
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