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I've been pushing VOD (aebn, sorry Jerry) for some years now and whilst its slowed down along with everything else its still holding out well and of all the affiliates I promote probably holding out the best despite all the free stuff online
Anyone else find vod sales not dropping at the rate others are?
strictlybroadband
12-21-08, 05:41 PM
I've been pushing VOD (aebn, sorry Jerry) for some years now and whilst its slowed down along with everything else its still holding out well and of all the affiliates I promote probably holding out the best despite all the free stuff online
Anyone else find vod sales not dropping at the rate others are?
Apology grudgingly accepted. ;)
VoD repeat sales are far better than membership sites, which means that while new sales have been slowing down, our regular customers keep coming back and holding up the figures nicely. Once we've converted a one-time customer to a regular one, they just keep spending at their own pace.
VoD sites can attract "whales", while membership sites don't tend to, for obvious reasons.
Why don't you have a go at SB for comparison with AEBN? I'm sure some webmasters would find this a valuable piece of data. I'll start hassling you when I'm back from holiday.
Apology grudgingly accepted. ;)
VoD repeat sales are far better than membership sites, which means that while new sales have been slowing down, our regular customers keep coming back and holding up the figures nicely. Once we've converted a one-time customer to a regular one, they just keep spending at their own pace.
VoD sites can attract "whales", while membership sites don't tend to, for obvious reasons.
Why don't you have a go at SB for comparison with AEBN? I'm sure some webmasters would find this a valuable piece of data. I'll start hassling you when I'm back from holiday.
Yea, have a go Tigger and you could make some more dough and then SB can spend 6 weeks in West Africa next year instead of 4 weeks:P
VoD repeat sales are far better than membership sites,
Source? Comparison?
VoD sites can attract "whales", while membership sites don't tend to, for obvious reasons.
Source? Comparison?
Seriously, how can you make a statement like "VoD repeat sales are far better than membership sites" if you have never run a membership site? I won't bore you to fuck, but my top 'membership sites' are running at something like $49 and $47 per member. Ok, not 'like', cos I just looked.
To be constructive though, your site is quite a bit of hassle to join then buy, if you could make it easier for the surfer I think we'd all be a bit better off :) Hit me up for some feedback from a customer POV whenever you like, if you like, you have my icq stuffs :)
Yea, have a go Tigger and you could make some more dough and then SB can spend 6 weeks in West Africa next year instead of 4 weeks:P
I'd like to!! I really would PSL, but...................every-time I look at SB the product just doesn't do anything for me, and whilst the guys at AEBN could learn a lot from Jerry regarding mailing list & email marketing I just struggle with his product
I'd like to!! I really would PSL, but...................every-time I look at SB the product just doesn't do anything for me, and whilst the guys at AEBN could learn a lot from Jerry regarding mailing list & email marketing I just struggle with his product
What does AEBN offer that SB doesn't and vice-versa? and why do you struggle with the SB prodcut?
strictlybroadband
12-21-08, 06:22 PM
Seriously, how can you make a statement like "VoD repeat sales are far better than membership sites" if you have never run a membership site?
Why do you think that? I've run membership sites since 1996, including a couple of huge ones. I abandoned the model and switched to being a VoD fan a few years ago when the writing was on the wall: ever-falling conversions and poor retention, however good the site/content is.
I won't bore you to fuck, but my top 'membership sites' are running at something like $49 and $47 per member. Ok, not 'like', cos I just looked.
Our average 1-year member is worth around £30, a 2-year member over £50 and a 3-year member over £70. Membership sites discourage, by their very nature, 2 or 3 year memberships.
strictlybroadband
12-21-08, 06:23 PM
What does AEBN offer that SB doesn't and vice-versa? and why do you struggle with the SB prodcut?
Good questions. :)
Why do you think that? I've run membership sites since 1996, including a couple of huge ones.
What are the url's of these sites?
What does AEBN offer that SB doesn't and vice-versa? and why do you struggle with the SB prodcut?
Because SB is trying to sell what no one wants and that they can get for free even if they wanted?
strictlybroadband
12-21-08, 06:31 PM
What are the url's of these sites?
The first site we ever built was babylon-x.com, which was regularly in the global top 10 in the 90s. It changed hands some years ago. We also built a set of member sites for Playboy TV about 5-6 years ago. These were interesting in being membership/VoD hybrids, and were a good proving ground for the VoD model.
Plus a number of others.
The first site we ever built was babylon-x.com, which was regularly in the global top 10 in the 90s. It changed hands some years ago. We also built a set of member sites for Playboy TV about 5-6 years ago. These were interesting in being membership/VoD hybrids, and were a good proving ground for the VoD model.
Plus a number of others.
I didnt ask what you may or may not have helped design or build. I asked what sites you run.
You said
Why do you think that? I've run membership sites since 1996, including a couple of huge ones.
So did you run babylon-x.com or Playboy TV sites?
If not please post in your next post which membership sites you have run in the past.
strictlybroadband
12-21-08, 06:39 PM
So did you run babylon-x.com or Playboy TV sites?
Yes. Ran, updated, supported and hosted these sites and a number of others. Babylon-x was probably the first membership site in the UK. Given the lack of decent billing platforms we had to build and operate an affiliate programme (pay-per-click) and our own billing platform that connected direct to the bank.
Because SB is trying to sell what no one wants and that they can get for free even if they wanted?
That logic could be applied to any adult online product.
Obviously someone is prepared to buy the product otherwise the studios/distributors would license their content onto the site and Jerry wouldn't be able to jet off around the world on his percentage:P
strictlybroadband
12-21-08, 06:45 PM
That logic could be applied to any adult online product.
Obviously someone is prepared to buy the product otherwise the studios/distributors would license their content onto the site and Jerry wouldn't be able to jet off around the world on his percentage:P
Can you keep replying for me while I'm away? You seem to have it covered. :)
Yes. Ran, updated, supported and hosted these sites and a number of others. Babylon-x was probably the first membership site in the UK. Given the lack of decent billing platforms we had to build and operate an affiliate programme (pay-per-click) and our own billing platform that connected direct to the bank.
So you ran the babylon x site or did you run the babylon x program?
I had a lot of dealings with them many years ago for a long time as well, in fact lots of dealings, I dont remember you running the program. Running someones hosting and updating their site is VERY different than running a program or site.
That logic could be applied to any adult online product.
Obviously someone is prepared to buy the product otherwise the studios/distributors would license their content onto the site and Jerry wouldn't be able to jet off around the world on his percentage:P
You know any producers who licence their product to SB?
Our average 1-year member is worth around £30, a 2-year member over £50 and a 3-year member over £70.
so an average membership site does in 2/4/5 months what takes you 12/24/36 months. who is failing there exactly?
Can you keep replying for me while I'm away? You seem to have it covered. :)
As long as I can have your percentage whilst you are away:reading:
You know any producers who licence their product to SB?
I haven't looked at his site for ages but I will have a look and let you know.
Why do you think that? I've run membership sites since 1996, including a couple of huge ones. I abandoned the model and switched to being a VoD fan a few years ago when the writing was on the wall: ever-falling conversions and poor retention, however good the site/content is.
Our average 1-year member is worth around £30, a 2-year member over £50 and a 3-year member over £70. Membership sites discourage, by their very nature, 2 or 3 year memberships.
So your 1 year member is worth (less than) a 2 month 'membership site' member? A 2 year rebiller on a standard 'membership site' is worth £180, and that's just on an affiliate revshare at 50%. I really can't see where VoD brings in more money than a standard paysite, and I do push both models.
Hands down, PPS & revshare beat VoD. By a fucking long way.
I haven't looked at his site for ages but I will have a look and let you know.
When you find out, ask them how they are doing :)
You know any producers who licence their product to SB?
Just had a quick look at the SB studio list and yes I know some of them.
so an average membership site does in 2/4/5 months what takes you 12/24/36 months. who is failing there exactly?
:reading:
strictlybroadband
12-21-08, 07:04 PM
so an average membership site does in 2/4/5 months what takes you 12/24/36 months. who is failing there exactly?
Ah, but the average (remember what average means) membership on a membership site doesn't last 4 or 5 months, does it?
strictlybroadband
12-21-08, 07:05 PM
When you find out, ask them how they are doing :)
Ask them yourself - the studio list is public.
Cardinal_Sin
12-21-08, 07:07 PM
I have around 100 X the marketing out there I had this time last year - Most contains aebn galleries.
My own sales are way up.
aebn is bringing me in the same cash as last year -
Vod in essence, is well down for me compared to the growth I have experienced in membership sales. I am also selling many more memberships as an affiliate than I have ever done before -.
strictlybroadband
12-21-08, 07:07 PM
So your 1 year member is worth (less than) a 2 month 'membership site' member? A 2 year rebiller on a standard 'membership site' is worth £180.
Look up the meaning of the word "average", it might help.
As I said before, we have individual members spending £1000s, literally, but the average is measured across all members.
What does AEBN offer that SB doesn't and vice-versa? and why do you struggle with the SB prodcut?
for me its the PPV, bigger range of movies, better sales tools plus I personally find the pricing structure confusing, with aebn its either download, stream or PPV and all three have prices next to the movie, last time I looked at SB I got lost!!
Ah, but the average (remember what average means) membership
so you now move from 'member' to 'memberhsip' to save your ass, cute.
Our average 1-year member is worth around £30, a 2-year member over £50 and a 3-year member over £70.
for me its the PPV, bigger range of movies, better sales tools plus I personally find the pricing structure confusing, with aebn its either download, stream or PPV and all three have prices next to the movie, last time I looked at SB I got lost!!
So AEBN offers PPM, scenes, download to own and download to burn aimed at a worldwide audience as opposed to 1 ticket items, full movies, with different payment options aimed at UK audience.
Two different business models addressing the same market.
I have often wondered why all VOD sites dont offer PPM because lets face it you only need 10 mins of the movie to get your rocks off but I also like the idea of the 12 months rental option,your own virtual porn library.
adultbusiness
12-21-08, 08:23 PM
Yes. Ran, updated, supported and hosted these sites and a number of others. Babylon-x was probably the first membership site in the UK. Given the lack of decent billing platforms we had to build and operate an affiliate programme (pay-per-click) and our own billing platform that connected direct to the bank.
http://userimages01.imvu.com/productdata/images_1ccba1c2bdab134cb45ef9cbacdb4c7b.gifmemorie s....*sigh*
http://userimages01.imvu.com/productdata/images_1ccba1c2bdab134cb45ef9cbacdb4c7b.gifmemorie s....*sigh*
LOL
So AEBN offers PPM, scenes, download to own and download to burn aimed at a worldwide audience as opposed to 1 ticket items, full movies, with different payment options aimed at UK audience.
Two different business models addressing the same market.
I have often wondered why all VOD sites dont offer PPM because lets face it you only need 10 mins of the movie to get your rocks off but I also like the idea of the 12 months rental option,your own virtual porn library.
I agree about the PPM, why bother with the whole movie when 10 minutes is all you need, for me this is one of the key points of aebn vod model- you can watch loads of different movies for a fraction of downloading the whole film
SimonSubAms
12-21-08, 10:25 PM
http://userimages01.imvu.com/productdata/images_1ccba1c2bdab134cb45ef9cbacdb4c7b.gifmemorie s....*sigh*
those really were the days :oldman:
adultbusiness
12-21-08, 10:35 PM
those really were the days :oldman:
They sure were.... funny enough, I owe my entire fortune to Babylon-x...
They sure were.... funny enough, I owe my entire fortune to Babylon-x...
well then you owe a big thankyou to Jerry, because he says he ran it
:)
Oh as well as he ran playboy and any other household names you care to mention
adultbusiness
12-21-08, 11:11 PM
well then you owe a big thankyou to Jerry, because he says he ran it
:)
Oh as well as he ran playboy and any other household names you care to mention
Yes and thats why I have a shrine to him at home... make the kids pray in their 3 times a day :innocent0001:
SimonSubAms
12-21-08, 11:16 PM
well then you owe a big thankyou to Jerry, because he says he ran it
:)
LOL
Look up the meaning of the word "average", it might help.
As I said before, we have individual members spending £1000s, literally, but the average is measured across all members.
I know what average means, you stated your average, I stated mine.
Why don't you have a go at SB for comparison with AEBN? I'm sure some webmasters would find this a valuable piece of data. I'll start hassling you when I'm back from holiday.
Not AEBN but Hot Movies. I send a particular niche only, as I do with your program (cfnm & celebrities respectively).
This year:
Strictly Broadband
91,597 Uniques
$1038.16 Income (going at $2 to £1)
Hot Movies
497 Uniques
$517.44 Income
Last year:
Strictly Broadband
211,339 Uniques
$1475.69 Income (going at $2 to £1)
Hot Movies
725 Uniques
$435.95 Income
So, 2 years worth, and I do realise that I've sent FAR less traffic to the cfnm Vod, but they are both from SE traffic (in fact your traffic is even more targetted, because the vast majority was from a #1 google rank direct to your site with my aff code for the Keeley tape, whereas the cfnm traffic is from a few blog posts, which the SE traffic had to root around a bit for);
SB 302,936 - 0.82 of a cent per click (going at $2 to £1)
Hot Movies 1,222 - 78.01 cents per click
...and FWIW, I think I sent something like 300 Keeley sales when it first came out. Even if I'd sent those to a revshare program, that's 300 x $14.96 = $4407 - more than I've made in 2 years with all sales combined using the far better VoD model...
Fuck me, drilling even deeper, on just 1 of the accounts, I managed to get 2,814 new members in the week of the keeley tape. So 2,814 members, and only 300 of them paid anything.
That is truly shit - they ALL went there from #1 google direct to your site with my ref code, went through the hassle of signing up, yet 2,514 of them didn't then purchase the movie. That's fucking staggering...
ps 2814 x 14.96 = $42k
halve it, and that's still $21k
but yeah, VoD rocks.
looking at those figures Jel, well all I can really say is FUCK ME, especially as those are from SE traffic which is where mine is generate from and I would be extremely pissed if I didn't see that week let alone a year!
But it does confirm my views that the strictly product is confusing with these "buy tickets" after all someone comes to the site, they see a film and think "yes, I'll watch it, so how much?" then if your lucky they may click on the buy ticket button and still they don't get to see how much without first being a member!!!
For me this give the punter every reason in the world to walk away and least with the aebn model prices are next to every film and the choices of stream, download or PPV are clearly their for punters to decide how they want to view it
The annoying thing is I'd like to support a fellow brit but I'm not going to send traffic to a program that I think fails in so many massive ways
Paul Markham
12-22-08, 09:30 AM
I looked at giving a lot of our content to AEBN a few years ago and sat down at the Vegas show and discussed it with them. This was the results.
They would take anything we would give them.
We had to prepare it so it was totally ready to their formats, pictures and videos.
They would only pay out on a brokering deal, there was no question of them buying a one off license.
This led me to think they would fill the site with anything and everything, it was not worth them setting up a couple of computers to reformat the movies and they did not expect to pay us out a lot of money in the long term.
Maybe for affiliates sending traffic to these sites will do better than the studios, maybe if we had formatted our movies and added them to all the VOD sites we would get something back. I don't know. however looking at all the DVD content on the Internet I see a lot of content that's poor. Some of the studios in the VOD market went the path of filling shelves with low price product. Yes there are a few top ones in there as well.
One of the problems I see with all of them it this. And on SB it took a while to find it and it's still very vague.
Movies cost 1 ticket for 7 days or 2 tickets for one whole year. Tickets cost between £4.99 to £10 depending how many you buy. In 2008/9 who is going to pay those prices to see a porn movie for a few days or a year. There are Tube sites full of scenes for free, often to the same quality of porn, there are 1,000s sites with 3 day passes for $3. I know clips for sale does very well for us and it's priced very high, but it's not comparable. It's fetish, this is mainstream.
considering they have over 100,000 movies I don't think they need to bend over for a small time producer & looking at some of the studios within their portfolio I don't think anyone can class people like "private" as poor or low quality.
Paul Markham
12-22-08, 09:44 AM
considering they have over 100,000 movies I don't think they need to bend over for a small time producer & looking at some of the studios within their portfolio I don't think anyone can class people like "private" as poor or low quality.
I said they all have some of the top guys. Yes they have 100,000s of movies. Which backs up what I said. Thanks.
its called giving people choice!!
Paul Markham
12-22-08, 10:09 AM
its called giving people choice!!
Tigger you don't get what I'm trying to say.
(A) 100,000 movies of a poor quality shot on a budget that cramps quality is a pile of poor scenes the viewer will soon get bored with wading through.
(B) 100,000 movies from people like Anabolic, Private, Wicked, Evil Angel, Vivid, Playboy, Hustler and the rest you can fill in yourself, is great and the viewer will never get tired of watching.
The number is irelevant to the surfer. (A) makes it a problem, (B) makes it a benefit.
I do understand what your saying, but what I'm saying is aebn offer choice! so if people want they can stream more amateurish movies, but also can watch quality movies.
AEBN in my view offers a comprehensive library of porn with movies that are are easy to find and there's nothing wrong in offering a mix and catering for all markets
Should webmasters want to promote a specific brand they can do so by filtering the theatres, so if I wanted to only have "high end " production companies I could offer that within my theatre, and being fare to SB he also offers this
You need to view these LARGE sites as platforms for webmasters to customise should they wish too
strictlybroadband
12-22-08, 10:22 AM
so you now move from 'member' to 'memberhsip' to save your ass, cute.
Is everyone having trouble reading/comprehending today?
strictlybroadband
12-22-08, 10:25 AM
I do understand what your saying, but what I'm saying is aebn offer choice! so if people want they can stream more amateurish movies, but also can watch quality movies.
You saying that Harmony, Private, Vivid and Daring! aren't good enough quality? With some other big studios about to sign contracts... we focus on a lot of Brit stuff, which tends to be low budget, because that's what most of our punters want. But look around and you'll see we go across the board.
SimonSubAms
12-22-08, 10:30 AM
In 2008/9 who is going to pay those prices to see a porn movie for a few days or a year.
You really would be suprised.
SimonSubAms
12-22-08, 10:32 AM
Is everyone having trouble reading/comprehending today?
You are, cos that was yesterday :P
You really would be suprised.
surprised would imply understanding which clearly he doesn't have any
strictlybroadband
12-22-08, 10:36 AM
Tigger you don't get what I'm trying to say.
(A) 100,000 movies of a poor quality shot on a budget that cramps quality is a pile of poor scenes the viewer will soon get bored with wading through.
(B) 100,000 movies from people like Anabolic, Private, Wicked, Evil Angel, Vivid, Playboy, Hustler and the rest you can fill in yourself, is great and the viewer will never get tired of watching.
The number is irelevant to the surfer. (A) makes it a problem, (B) makes it a benefit.
You're right, the number of movies is irrelevant. We have 4,000-ish, AEBN claim 100,000. You're right that the selection of content is all-important.
However we have a lot of high-budget stuff, and it's not necessarily what people are looking for. You can see what's in our top 20 at any time, and it's dominated by lower-budget content (although the quality stuff also makes a showing). Don't forget this is porn.
Top 20: http://www.strictlybroadband.com/sb/top20.jsp
As for your question about who will pay this much... we still have strong daily sales, albeit down about 25% year on year. So someone's still buying! When you're competing with free stuff, do you really think cutting the price will make any difference?
As for your question about who will pay this much... we still have strong daily sales, albeit down about 25% year on year. So someone's still buying! When you're competing with free stuff, do you really think cutting the price will make any difference?
looking at my figures yesterday the punters are still happy to pay, had my best day in weeks yesterday
Mattyboy
12-22-08, 10:58 AM
Tigger you don't get what I'm trying to say.
(A) 100,000 movies of a poor quality shot on a budget that cramps quality is a pile of poor scenes the viewer will soon get bored with wading through.
(B) 100,000 movies from people like Anabolic, Private, Wicked, Evil Angel, Vivid, Playboy, Hustler and the rest you can fill in yourself, is great and the viewer will never get tired of watching.
The number is irelevant to the surfer. (A) makes it a problem, (B) makes it a benefit.
Personally, i can't watch anything from studios such as "(B) 100,000 movies from people like Anabolic, Private, Wicked, Evil Angel, Vivid, Playboy, Hustler and the rest you can fill in yourself, is great and the viewer will never get tired of watching."
strictlybroadband
12-22-08, 11:02 AM
So, 2 years worth, and I do realise that I've sent FAR less traffic to the cfnm Vod, but they are both from SE traffic (in fact your traffic is even more targetted, because the vast majority was from a #1 google rank direct to your site with my aff code for the Keeley tape, whereas the cfnm traffic is from a few blog posts, which the SE traffic had to root around a bit for);
It's hardly a 1-for-1 comparison. The Keeley tape was online for 4 days and during that time you sold a lot of it! In fact I can see more sales in January 07 alone than you wrote in your post for the whole year! In fact in one day, you generated nearly £1000 in gross sales! As you remember, we then had to take down the content, so you only had the benefit of 4 days of sales - which were very strong (feel free to post the figures if you like!)
So your comparison between CFNM sales on Hot Movies and Keeley sales on SB is hardly a sensible one. I'd be interested to see a genuine like-for-like comparison, but this certainly isn't one.
Paul Markham
12-22-08, 11:11 AM
You're right, the number of movies is irrelevant. We have 4,000-ish, AEBN claim 100,000. You're right that the selection of content is all-important.
However we have a lot of high-budget stuff, and it's not necessarily what people are looking for. You can see what's in our top 20 at any time, and it's dominated by lower-budget content (although the quality stuff also makes a showing). Don't forget this is porn.
Top 20: http://www.strictlybroadband.com/sb/top20.jsp
As for your question about who will pay this much... we still have strong daily sales, albeit down about 25% year on year. So someone's still buying! When you're competing with free stuff, do you really think cutting the price will make any difference?
My comments were over all and not based on one site. some are different to others. It does not take a high budget to shoot good porn, it takes skills. The problem is some of the DVD houses are paying so low the people with the skills do not have to work for them.
Yes there are a few great DVD companies in VOD.
I know from what we make on clips 4 sale what a scene of ours is worth. They're worth a lot more than I was offering them to AEBN for. Yes it's surprising what some people will pay for a scene. But in 2009 price will be a factor more and more. Why should I join your site for one scene when I can join another for 3 days for less?
Cutting prices and more flexible options are going to appeal to more members, however we as an industry have largely been trapped into a model that is not member orientated. It's about getting as many surfers to a site as possible. The guys who want it for free will never ever pay unless you have something so marvelous they can't resist. There is very little of that around and most of the porn can be resisted. Or the equivilant can be found on a Tube site. So we need to look at those who might pay.
The guys who might pay if we fitted their needs first are the ones we should think about. The problem is how many people who might pay $30 for 30 days would switch to a $3 for 3 days membership if offered and how many will join for $3 to replace that lost guy?
And then the real problem, how many affiliates will send traffic to a site that offers surfers a $3 option?
What worked BT (before Tubes) will not work for ever. The person who will decide if this industry survives by selling it's product is the customer. At the moment I suspect a lot of them prefer Tubes because Tubes meet his needs better than paid options.
This is what I saw on my crap site. ;)
Joins rocketed when we offered the $3 join, loads of people go for the non recurring joins which are a bit more expensive. A lot of affiliates are waking up to this and traffic is steady, conversions are way better.
Paul Markham
12-22-08, 11:15 AM
Personally, i can't watch anything from studios such as "(B) 100,000 movies from people like Anabolic, Private, Wicked, Evil Angel, Vivid, Playboy, Hustler and the rest you can fill in yourself, is great and the viewer will never get tired of watching."
Looking at their sales figures and production I would say you're in the minority. :cheer:
strictlybroadband
12-22-08, 11:17 AM
Looking at their sales figures and production I would say you're in the minority. :cheer:
I agree with him too. I find the glossier stuff fairly uninteresting...
I'd welcome your thoughts on our best sellers list: http://www.strictlybroadband.com/sb/top20.jsp
Paul Markham
12-22-08, 11:47 AM
I agree with him too. I find the glossier stuff fairly uninteresting...
I'd welcome your thoughts on our best sellers list: http://www.strictlybroadband.com/sb/top20.jsp
Evil Angel was not "glossy" last time I saw their stuff. LOL
Because some can afford to spend so much to make the glossy stuff proves you're both in the minority. The budget is not the deciding factor in the power of the porn. But it shows what people pay to watch.
Look at the Tubes, full of low budget crap and it takes ages to find something worth looking at. Well it does me, maybe it does not for the guys who will jerk off to anything. But did they ever buy?
strictlybroadband
12-22-08, 11:54 AM
Look at the Tubes, full of low budget crap and it takes ages to find something worth looking at.
Erm... maybe that just proves that the surfers are looking for "low budget crap"?
Mattyboy
12-22-08, 12:04 PM
Looking at their sales figures and production I would say you're in the minority. :cheer:
They simply have more outlets and DVD sales are dire.
Look at the Tubes, full of low budget crap
Yeah tubes will never take off will they?
strictlybroadband
12-22-08, 12:11 PM
Yeah tubes will never take off will they?
LOL
Paul Markham
12-22-08, 12:32 PM
Erm... maybe that just proves that the surfers are looking for "low budget crap"?
This industry has to wake up to the fact that it's not about surfers, it's about buyers. What people look for does not exactly relate to what people buy.
Tube satisfy their need for low budget crap a lot more than paying for it.
If someone will accept low budget crap, so why should they pay for it when the Tubes are full of it?
strictlybroadband
12-22-08, 12:36 PM
This industry has to wake up to the fact that it's not about surfers, it's about buyers. What people look for does not exactly relate to what people buy.
Our top 20 is based only on sales.
Why do you think that The Best of British Wives #5 from Your Choice is at number 1, Nymphomaniac from Harmony is at number 4 and Billionaire from Private is only at number 10?
Paul Markham
12-22-08, 12:44 PM
Our top 20 is based only on sales.
Why do you think that The Best of British Wives #5 from Your Choice is at number 1, Nymphomaniac from Harmony is at number 4 and Billionaire from Private is only at number 10?
Without looking at the scenes I have no idea. Maybe what your site does is the same as clips 4 sale and appeal more to those looking for different stuff.
We should not assume low budget is always crap. I've seen stuff from Private that must of cost $100k a DVD that just does not do it. I've seen stuff produced for peanuts that hits the buttons all the time.
I'm surprised Billionaire got that high.
adultbusiness
12-22-08, 12:58 PM
Look at the Tubes, full of low budget crap and it takes ages to find something worth looking at. Well it does me, maybe it does not for the guys who will jerk off to anything. But did they ever buy?
There's plenty of Tubes with decent quality/length vids, good example:
http://www.jizzhut.com/
Plenty for the average surfer to wank off to on the front page. Maybe you need to do a bit more research before posting?
see markham has fucked another thread up with his dribble - time to remove email alerts as its pointless reading his crap
Jerry - good luck
It always amazes me how many sites and producers seem to think that the shinier/glossier and slick looking the product, the better it is.
In my own experience as an affiliate (albeit limited admittedly) I normally find it far easier to sell stuff that looks a bit grittier and real, and assumed it was just the way I sold things. A bit of nosing around surfer forums disabused me of that notion.
I think most people want their porn to be "dirty", whereas a lot of the so called "quality" producers seem to assume they want it airbrushed clean.
agree, personally I can't stand looking at these airbrush babes & production companies like private do nothing for me, but each to there own
VOD is about to go onto its next phase, studio owned VOD platforms.
Until now medium and large studios/distirbutors have used the VOD model to try and replace the revenue lost from physical retail sales.The smaller producers never really had a chance to get their DVD's into the retail market because of the contractual constrictions placed on them by the distributors i.e having to bear the costs of the physical supply chain.The VOD era has presented a great opportunity for the smaller/independant producer to compete with the big boys on a level playing field.
With VOD the physical supply chain has been removed but this has presented a problem for the medium and large studios/distributors in so much as they have big production budgets and therefore they need to generate a greater ROI from as many sources as possible.This is one of the reasons that they not only have their catalouges on as many VOD platforms as possible but they are now having their own dedicated VOD platforms setup and linked to their current online offerings.They will also allow the likes of AEBN to 'clip' their titles to generate that extra bit of revenue and the customers like it.
The smaller/independant producer until now have struggled to offer a bespoke VOD service to their customer base due to the captial costs involved and that is why a VOD site such as SB offers a valuable service to the smaller/independant producer and the customer that likes his porn 'dirty and un-airbrushed'.
Both smaller/independant producers and the majors will benefit from the next phase of VOD if they have their own platforms or not but only if they give the customer what they want, an easy payment solution and an equally easy affiliate program.Listen to the affiliate and the customer.
Is everyone having trouble reading/comprehending today?
just you, even with your own drivel. let's repeat once more what you said.
Our average 1-year member is worth around £30, a 2-year member over £50 and a 3-year member over £70.
now tell us all-knowing Jerry, did you or did you not tell us numbers for your average member?
VOD is about to go onto its next phase, studio owned VOD platforms.
Until now medium and large studios/distirbutors have used the VOD model to try and replace the revenue lost from physical retail sales.The smaller producers never really had a chance to get their DVD's into the retail market because of the contractual constrictions placed on them by the distributors i.e having to bear the costs of the physical supply chain.The VOD era has presented a great opportunity for the smaller/independant producer to compete with the big boys on a level playing field.
With VOD the physical supply chain has been removed but this has presented a problem for the medium and large studios/distributors in so much as they have big production budgets and therefore they need to generate a greater ROI from as many sources as possible.This is one of the reasons that they not only have their catalouges on as many VOD platforms as possible but they are now having their own dedicated VOD platforms setup and linked to their current online offerings.They will also allow the likes of AEBN to 'clip' their titles to generate that extra bit of revenue and the customers like it.
The smaller/independant producer until now have struggled to offer a bespoke VOD service to their customer base due to the captial costs involved and that is why a VOD site such as SB offers a valuable service to the smaller/independant producer and the customer that likes his porn 'dirty and un-airbrushed'.
Both smaller/independant producers and the majors will benefit from the next phase of VOD if they have their own platforms or not but only if they give the customer what they want, an easy payment solution and an equally easy affiliate program.Listen to the affiliate and the customer.
Hasn't Hot Movies and AEBN been offering all manner of studios custom 'theatres' for years now?
now tell us all-knowing Jerry, did you or did you not tell us numbers for your average member?
6"?
It's hardly a 1-for-1 comparison. The Keeley tape was online for 4 days and during that time you sold a lot of it! In fact I can see more sales in January 07 alone than you wrote in your post for the whole year! In fact in one day, you generated nearly £1000 in gross sales! As you remember, we then had to take down the content, so you only had the benefit of 4 days of sales - which were very strong (feel free to post the figures if you like!)
So your comparison between CFNM sales on Hot Movies and Keeley sales on SB is hardly a sensible one. I'd be interested to see a genuine like-for-like comparison, but this certainly isn't one.
I did post the figures, and they are wank. And if you can't see that the traffic I sent you is WAY more qualified than the cfnm hot movies traffic, then that speaks volumes.
<moving on>
You are joking me yeah? I just said I sold more in a week than I've made in 2 years - how does that back up the VoD model?
£1000 in gross sales = to me about fuck all, right? Members = 2800 odd, buyers = 300 odd, revenue to me = £250 odd.
I.E. fucking shit. If I sent those qualified buyers to your old firm Babylon-x and only made HALF the sales, I'd be looking at $42k - that says it all.
My 1st post in this thread: buyers struggle
My last-ish post were figures.
You need to look at why 2,500 qualified surfers didn't spend. After signing up.
My comments were over all and not based on one site. some are different to others. It does not take a high budget to shoot good porn, it takes skills. The problem is some of the DVD houses are paying so low the people with the skills do not have to work for them.
Yes there are a few great DVD companies in VOD.
I know from what we make on clips 4 sale what a scene of ours is worth. They're worth a lot more than I was offering them to AEBN for. Yes it's surprising what some people will pay for a scene. But in 2009 price will be a factor more and more. Why should I join your site for one scene when I can join another for 3 days for less?
Cutting prices and more flexible options are going to appeal to more members, however we as an industry have largely been trapped into a model that is not member orientated. It's about getting as many surfers to a site as possible. The guys who want it for free will never ever pay unless you have something so marvelous they can't resist. There is very little of that around and most of the porn can be resisted. Or the equivilant can be found on a Tube site. So we need to look at those who might pay.
The guys who might pay if we fitted their needs first are the ones we should think about. The problem is how many people who might pay $30 for 30 days would switch to a $3 for 3 days membership if offered and how many will join for $3 to replace that lost guy?
And then the real problem, how many affiliates will send traffic to a site that offers surfers a $3 option?
What worked BT (before Tubes) will not work for ever. The person who will decide if this industry survives by selling it's product is the customer. At the moment I suspect a lot of them prefer Tubes because Tubes meet his needs better than paid options.
This is what I saw on my crap site. ;)
Joins rocketed when we offered the $3 join, loads of people go for the non recurring joins which are a bit more expensive. A lot of affiliates are waking up to this and traffic is steady, conversions are way better.
No offence mate, but this thread is titled 'VoD - hows yours going?'
You send traffic to VoD sites? Yes? Post. No? Keep the topics of shooting content, and people paying for certain content to another thread. What you just posted has zero relevance to this thread.
SimonSubAms
12-22-08, 09:52 PM
You need to look at why 2,500 qualified surfers didn't spend. After signing up.
Because they have no idea of the cost until they've registered.
If they knew the cost you wouldn't have had those 2500 free sign ups not spending.
How much was the Keeley movie or how many tickets were needed?
and are tickets bought in blocks? what's the minimum purchase?
In other words, what would it have cost a first time "member" to watch that video?
Cardinal_Sin
12-22-08, 10:24 PM
If I sent those qualified buyers to your old firm Babylon-x and only made HALF the sales, I'd be looking at $42k - that says it all.
Would you fuck - I sent shitloads of traffic to that site on pay per click and never got a fucking cent -
I know it was way back, but I seem to remember the site dropping ppc and going into an avs system for a short while, before disappearing altogether - Could have been another site tho - Do know I never got paid from the cunts.
Hasn't Hot Movies and AEBN been offering all manner of studios custom 'theatres' for years now?
Yes they have but it's about the revenue share, why take 10-25% (approx) when you can retain 100% gross and then give 50% to your affiliates,out of the 100% of course. And the capital cost of entry for VOD has dramatically reduced this coupled with technology advances has given the majors a better option for higher ROI.
Can you keep replying for me while I'm away? You seem to have it covered. :)
I could really have fun with this post:noway2: :P
Like.................
From next year we will be offering not only VOD but download to pc and download to burn. A PPM system will be implemented and we will leave the ticket system to the bus drivers.We will also be making available clips from each and every film for purchase and we are working on a system whereby customers can choose different clips from different movies and burn them all to one DVD and create their own compilation DVD.
The boss will be available 11 months and two weeks of the year as the shareholders have restricted his foriegn travel to Brighton due to the credit crunch.
The company bike has been scrapped and a replacement liveried V8 Petrol 4X4 has been purchased.
I could really have fun with this post:noway2: :P
Like.................
From next year we will be offering not only VOD but download to pc and download to burn. A PPM system will be implemented and we will leave the ticket system to the bus drivers.We will also be making available clips from each and every film for purchase and we are working on a system whereby customers can choose different clips from different movies and burn them all to one DVD and create their own compilation DVD.
The boss will be available 11 months and two weeks of the year as the shareholders have restricted his foriegn travel to Brighton due to the credit crunch.
The company bike has been scrapped and a replacement liveried V8 Petrol 4X4 has been purchased.
Can you up my % rate to an initial 92.5% on all sales under $25.00, and then kick in to the full 95% once I hit $25 in any 12 month period, and deliver my cheque by hand?
Can you up my % rate to an initial 92.5% on all sales under $25.00, and then kick in to the full 95% once I hit $25 in any 12 month period, and deliver my cheque by hand?
Once the cost of petrol comes down, no problem and only if we can pay you in sterling?
Once the cost of petrol comes down, no problem and only if we can pay you in sterling?
Cool, praps you could pick me up a pack of ciggies on the way :)
Cool, praps you could pick me up a pack of ciggies on the way :)
A pack!:noway2: With the figures you are quoting you can have a sleeve, what flavour?
BTW, do you need any beer?
Oh! I forgot we will also offer a Flash Access Streaming Solution using Premium Rate Numbers for a number of European countries.
You will see that once your customers call, almost by magic, the content is made available, and as soon as they hang up, the page closes again. No PIN codes, no downloads, clean and simple and the customers will enjoy this feature a lot because they are only billed for the time that they watch.
Yes and thats why I have a shrine to him at home... make the kids pray in their 3 times a day :innocent0001:
I am suprised the spelling police didn't pick up on that one:dorsetpolice:
Just a pack of these will do thanks :eyebrows:
http://most-expensive.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/luckystrike.jpg
Because they have no idea of the cost until they've registered.
If they knew the cost you wouldn't have had those 2500 free sign ups not spending.
How much was the Keeley movie or how many tickets were needed?
and are tickets bought in blocks? what's the minimum purchase?
In other words, what would it have cost a first time "member" to watch that video?
About 8 quid I think.
Would you fuck - I sent shitloads of traffic to that site on pay per click and never got a fucking cent -
I know it was way back, but I seem to remember the site dropping ppc and going into an avs system for a short while, before disappearing altogether - Could have been another site tho - Do know I never got paid from the cunts.
$30PPS not PPC :)
adultbusiness
12-23-08, 08:13 AM
I am suprised the spelling police didn't pick up on that one:dorsetpolice:
A deliberate mistake to keep them on their toes.....
SimonSubAms
12-23-08, 09:11 AM
About 8 quid I think.
fair enough for a one off video like that.
SimonSubAms
12-23-08, 09:37 AM
$30PPS not PPC :)
It was 3 cents a click. Blind text links allowed.
It was 3 cents a click. Blind text links allowed.
Before my time, what I'm saying is that now, and for a couple of years at least, Babylon-x/Vivid pay $30/$35pps respectively. Anyway, that's going a bit off topic.
so back to VOD - over the last few days figures are going extremely well anyone else seeing this? maybe punters are streaming as they don't want to buy DVDs right now, but its a nice boost for the month end
so back to VOD - over the last few days figures are going extremely well anyone else seeing this? maybe punters are streaming as they don't want to buy DVDs right now, but its a nice boost for the month end
I think physical purchases of Porn DVD'S are constantly declining but at a very slow rate.Who wants to go to a shop and pay daft money for something that you can watch online for a lot less and you don't want to be opening a prezzies on Christmas morning with the family and find a hardcore DVD from Uncle Bob do ya:noway2:
Do any of the VOD companies offer gift certificates at this of the year?
agree, but you'll be surprised punters do still buy DVDS
I asked a couple that I know that watch & "shock" buy porn, their reply was the husband likes to watch vod for his fix but as a couple or when playing in groups ( they are swingers) prefer DVDs, so maybe the dvd still has a market with couples, although with download 2 burn I can never understand why punters would pay £20 for a DVD when for £10 they can burn a copy
agree, but you'll be surprised punters do still buy DVDS
I asked a couple that I know that watch & "shock" buy porn, their reply was the husband likes to watch vod for his fix but as a couple or when playing in groups ( they are swingers) prefer DVDs, so maybe the dvd still has a market with couples, although with download 2 burn I can never understand why punters would pay £20 for a DVD when for £10 they can burn a copy
It's about educating the customer about download to burn as a number of studios use the DivX system and customers need a DivX compatible DVD player to actually play the DVD but it is a fairly common feature in new DVD players.
All download to burn DVDs now come with all the features of the physical DVD, menus and scene selections etc and in some cases you can download and print the box art to complete the 'look' of the DVD. They just need to work out how to allow the download of the jewel case!:noway2:
If you take into account the fact that the production costs of DVD's sold via download to burn are dramatically reduced and this cost is passed back to the customer and the ease that customers can download and burn then it does make you wonder why people still want to pay top dollar for the same product.
agree, I added a section for download 2 burn and its not ranking too bad, but gets very little traffic, even directing punters to it from the site still seems to pull little traffic, maybe just a case of being a bit ahead of the times and something that will develop up as more people get into download 2 burn
Aebn rock, i'm making more with them now then i did with strictly. I would tell everyone to give them a go as they are the best.
:cheer:
not wanting to attack porn old Jerry when he's topping up his fading tan, but I agree the aebn is leaps ahead
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