At Fucking Last

[NumptyNuts]

Well finally someone has joined a ccbill site through me its beena long time coming - so long I have been playing this song to ease my blues

Over You! (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=L0PL7sRsd8M)

Before you all start tellig me you are having your best this and best that save it I do not want to hear it :(

[Johnny Kleenexxx]

i don't get it mate . . this a joke or samfink right ?

[NumptyNuts]

i don't get it mate . . this a joke or samfink right ?

no no joke mate, suicide music :) for a dyer situation!

[Johnny Kleenexxx]

fuck me . . i'm still not having it

how long you been in the game now ?

[NumptyNuts]

too long, never had it like this before, everyone has a big cock no one is wanking in my cyber world only things busy for me are weddings & proms!

[JT]

http://www.beerandbollocks.com/forum/showpost.php?p=243649&postcount=21

Cause and effect :)

[NumptyNuts]

http://www.beerandbollocks.com/forum/showpost.php?p=243649&postcount=21

Cause and effect :)


I dont buy that as a reason, if it was the case then the previous weeks would have been the same - and they most certainly have not been in fact they have been growing and growing.

[JT]

I dont buy that as a reason, if it was the case then the previous weeks would have been the same - and they most certainly have not been in fact they have been growing and growing.

Not on its own maybe, but I think it is certainly an effect, that most webmasters/affiliates including me are way behind what surfers want.

Look at the stats and it is clear to see surfers are rejecting link lists and tgp's and are embracing tubes etc.

We all need to make changes, you cant relly on what you was doing two plus years ago, none of us can.

Not a dig at you personally, but all of us, if we dont want to see decreasing sales you need to take a look at your business model maybe

[SGS]

Not on its own maybe, but I think it is certainly an effect, that most webmasters/affiliates including me are way behind what surfers want.

Look at the stats and it is clear to see surfers are rejecting link lists and tgp's and are embracing tubes etc.

We all need to make changes, you cant relly on what you was doing two plus years ago, none of us can.

Not a dig at you personally, but all of us, if we dont want to see decreasing sales you need to take a look at your business model maybe

I think it's more than maybe.

[NumptyNuts]

tube sites do not make money - I have one like you say punters are flocking to it but it really is a waste of time and a bandwidth sucker

[NumptyNuts]

Not a dig at you personally, but all of us, if we dont want to see decreasing sales you need to take a look at your business model maybe

On a less emotional note -

I target search traffic and also purchased google ad words, I have looked at the traffic from the adwords at it is pretty static.

You know I do not have a massive traffic never have and never will but what I do have is targeted and niche based.

There are two things I am seeing within programmes programmes I traditionally have down well with:

1) They are reducing their join prices - pointless excersise
2) They are adding a second billers to their join page

I think CCBill have an obligation to webmasters to ensure sites that use their brand to attract affilaites into a programme do not start adding other billers onto the join page that CCBill affilaites send traffic to.

I would like to be able to generate a code within CCBill to send people to a join form and be given the option to increase the join fee or lower it, of course the site owner would be able to state the site can be sold for no less then X amount.

It is absolutly no benefit to me or CCBill if I send traffic to a site I promote through their systems that clearly offers Epoch along side CCBill, it concerns me as what is to stop the site owner going one step further and offering people the chance to join for $10 less if they opt to use Epoch over CCBill.

With people selling less online and with all the so called credit crunch I am convinced I loose a lot of revenue based on sites doing some of the above, a even a bit of the above.

These are not issues with my business model but with programmes changing or trying new things out which I would not want them to do in fact any affiliate would not want them to do.

I just spoke with Dave at SC - (please note the above is not about them) as my convertions with them have go real bad, looking through my data I do more joins via Epoch, they now use CCBill Geo and frankly my joins have just stopped, nothing has changed my end. Dave is going to look at getting me back onto an Epoch billing page I think this will fix the issue based on historical data.

[johnboy]

Last few months have been pretty dire all round. Just going through the cancellation reason members have given us... heres a few examples

"Losing my job. Sorry, I'm going to need the money."

"income issues"

"Budget restraint"

We've also seen a lot of people signing up for just the one month, whereas before they would run the sub for 4 - 6 months or so on.

No matter what we say, people are looking at new ways of getting their wank for less wonga. In the same period we have been having slower sales, we have in contrast been having excellent clips4sale sales. I think punters are looking to use systems like that as opposed for stumping up $24.95.

[Jel]

Hmm.

[NumptyNuts]

Hmm.


thats a clothes shop ;)

[Johnny Kleenexxx]

In the same period we have been having slower sales, we have in contrast been having excellent clips4sale sales. I think punters are looking to use systems like that as opposed for stumping up $24.95.

agree that micropayment / ppd helps punters feel like they're budgeting tighter

although if your clips4sale downloads are a fiver a pop ( for example )
and a paysite is promoted in conjunction, then any punter considering 5+ clips
is easier upsold to the join, as then it makes more sense to stump the 24.95

[NumptyNuts]

Last few months have been pretty dire all round. Just going through the cancellation reason members have given us... heres a few examples

"Losing my job. Sorry, I'm going to need the money."

"income issues"

"Budget restraint"

We've also seen a lot of people signing up for just the one month, whereas before they would run the sub for 4 - 6 months or so on.

No matter what we say, people are looking at new ways of getting their wank for less wonga. In the same period we have been having slower sales, we have in contrast been having excellent clips4sale sales. I think punters are looking to use systems like that as opposed for stumping up $24.95.

I hear you re the clips stores, this is not an option for me as I do not produce content, I am working on other projects which shoudl kick in soon that are web but not web and target different types of users.

Interesting to here what cancellation reasons are, I know one thing though dropping prices is not the way forward.

[NumptyNuts]

agree that micropayment / ppd helps punters feel like they're budgeting tighter

although if your clips4sale downloads are a fiver a pop ( for example )
and a paysite is promoted in conjunction, then any punter considering 5+ clips
is easier upsold to the join, as then it makes more sense to stump the 24.95

Thats the bit I do not get with clips, people buy two or three and by then may have well joined a site and got loads more films.

[Johnny Kleenexxx]

Thats the bit I do not get with clips, people buy two or three and by then may have well joined a site and got loads more films.

like i say, i reckon it gives them a feeling they are being less extravagant
and more in control of their finances ( plus a fair bit of clips4sale stuff
is not available via established paysites ) despite the fact when totalled
they could easily exceed the cost of a full join.. so yeah potentially bit daft

[cots]

Just seen this thread (been fucking ill for ages!) and thought I had to comment.

My main showcase site is www.glamourimages.net which a lot of you know. Overall we are about 20% up on revenue this year and that's against a background of traffic being 20% below last year. I can pin the traffic losses down but won't go into that here. Recently sign ups via CCBill have been excellent - we are 35% above average this week for example.

Why are we successful? I can't be 100% sure but I think it's because we are fussy in what we post at the site. Basically if I don't like it - I don't post it. That even goes for reasonably successful sponsors of ours. I won't name anyone but only this morning I received a mail from a sponsor (and very good one at that) telling me that there were 10 new FHGs available. Checked them out as they were due a posting - but they were crap! I don't know what the guy was on when he chose the pics but a) they were dreadful and b) in no way presented the site in a good way. Why bother?

I have my gripes with sponsors (and I am one LOL!) and the main one is why the fuck should I have to chase THEM for new promo content for their sites? I have several sponsors that I do really well with and could do a ton better if I could actually get my hands on some decent, regular promo stuff.

And, whilst I am on my high horse, what is the fucking point in promoting an affiliate programme and offering just banners. Banners? What good are they? With just banners it can take six months to get a sign up! Give me images!!!!! (and for the record FMGs don't work for me yet!)

CCBill always seem to have major hiccoughs but in the main they are fine. So I respectfully suggest that they are not your problem, or the multi payment/leaky site issues. It's the sponsors you choose and the match to the traffic you bring in. Simple as.

[nekrom]

2009 will be an interesting year.

-N

[Johnny Kleenexxx]

And, whilst I am on my high horse, what is the fucking point in promoting an affiliate programme and offering just banners. Banners? What good are they? With just banners it can take six months to get a sign up! Give me images!!!!! (and for the record FMGs don't work for me yet!)


most half decent progs will offer more than just banners these days
basic promo tools are pretty much standard now across the board

It's the sponsors you choose and the match to the traffic you bring in. Simple as.

sure, if you're an affiliate..

[NumptyNuts]

CCBill always seem to have major hiccoughs but in the main they are fine. So I respectfully suggest that they are not your problem, or the multi payment/leaky site issues. It's the sponsors you choose and the match to the traffic you bring in. Simple as.


The traffic is search based from adwords of google so is 100% targeted, most of my traffic comes from the UK/EU and CCBill does not cover all the cards payment options UK consumers have.

With the isssue of credit cards being maxed out it has never been more important to offer debit card payments to UK & EU visitors. Something Epoch do very well.

Take the tour below, attempt the join process, you will see you are offered the chance to pay with debit in the advertising though not on the payment page if you are from the UK.

Check this out (http://tour.inbedwithfaith.com/bigboobfaith/?nats=toshiba1:RevConsoleFree:IBWF2007,0,0,0,0) - follow this join porcess and tell me the fundimental floor that sticks out like a red dot on a white table cloth :)

(Dave not having a pop mate I promise you this is just the simplest example I have to hand)

With regard to sponsors and content I agree with you no point me showing a picture of Faith and sending them to your site for example it just does not cut it.

For your programme for example I have these places I promote from:

http://www.stockingsathome.com/amazing_astrid/promo/001/index.html

http://www.stockingsathome.co.uk/

and this is pretty much standard for most sites I promote

[JT]

most half decent progs will offer more than just banners these days
basic promo tools are pretty much standard now across the board


The niche cots promotes is one of those niches where enthusiasts often create the best sites and content but the best thing they offer for promo is a banner or at best a zip of photos

[JT]

http://www.stockingsathome.com/amazing_astrid/promo/001/index.html

http://www.stockingsathome.co.uk/

and this is pretty much standard for most sites I promote


why would you put on toplists to bbw sites, Latin teen sites, Indian porn, anal sex sites, etc etc etc

To a very niche specific slim white milf in stockings?

[Johnny Kleenexxx]

tbh i reckon all serious affiliates should receive full member access
allowing them to rip any specific images (not full sets / movies) that they
believe will help convert their traffic successfully.. THEY know their sites
and THEY know their traffic.. would much prefer to see more affiliates
produce their own custom "click fodder" using chosen sponsor content,
rather than expect sponsors to provide every possible form of promo..

i know plenty of progs do this already, and we will also be doing soon,
seems the best way to keep affiliates sweet until we can build a decent
archive of promo tools.. to build enough promo to keep most affiliates
happy will probably take months/years, just can't justify that delay,
particularly as i have a bit of freesite traffic to throw at it myself..

[Johnny Kleenexxx]

The niche cots promotes is one of those niches where enthusiasts often create the best sites and content but the best thing they offer for promo is a banner or at best a zip of photos

ahh k i see

[SGS]

tbh i reckon all serious affiliates should receive full member access
allowing them to rip any specific images (not full sets / movies) that they
believe will help convert their traffic successfully.. THEY know their sites
and THEY know their traffic.. would much prefer to see more affiliates
produce their own custom "click fodder" using chosen sponsor content,
rather than expect sponsors to provide every possible form of promo..

i know plenty of progs do this already, and we will also be doing soon,
seems the best way to keep affiliates sweet until we can build a decent
archive of promo tools.. to build enough promo to keep most affiliates
happy will probably take months/years, just can't justify that delay,
particularly as i have a bit of freesite traffic to throw at it myself..

Thats the best tool tubes *ever* had. We get 20+ tubes sites (signing up under various bogus names/domains/etc) sign up with us a day trying to get access like that. As a site owner in 2008 I will *never* give you members area access unless I know you. If you want something ask for it. Get to know us and how we work and then *WE* can help you to make sales. Opening the doors to everyone that signs up as an affiliate was great in 2005 but it's not even on option we would consider now unless we know the affiliate *very* well.

[Johnny Kleenexxx]

i hear ya . . perhaps i should have emphasised the word "serious"
by serious affiliate, i mean an affiliate you know something about
who has sent a few joins with your standard affiliate promo
but thinks he/she could maximise sales with members access
doubt very much i would hand out full access 'willy nilly'..
i know only too well how many scoundrels are out there ;)

[SGS]

i hear ya . . perhaps i should have emphasised the word "serious"
by serious affiliate, i mean an affiliate you know something about
who has sent a few joins with your standard affiliate promo
but thinks he/she could maximise sales with members access
doubt very much i would hand out full access 'willy nilly'..
i know only too well how many scoundrels are out there ;)

If you are just starting out you really need to concentrate on "in-house" sales and if it was me I wouldn't even go the affiliate route.

[Johnny Kleenexxx]

If you are just starting out you really need to concentrate on "in-house" sales and if it was me I wouldn't even go the affiliate route.

was sorta expecting majority in-house sales initially tbh
certainly won't be relying uniquely on affiliate traffic
but i still believe there are certain affiliates out there
with whom a solid partnership could be mutually lucrative

main reason we want the basic affiliate set-up is because
we now have a list of affiliates with traffic in our niches
that made enquiries and actively want to promote us..
i would much rather keep it simple initially.. a prog
is way more graft, dealing with webmasters AND surfers
could be biting off more than i can chew tbh.. u can guarantee
it won't be all singing and dancing initially, very basic set up
to suit my "cottage industry" "flying by seat of pants" vibe ;)

[REBEL]

For your programme for example I have these places I promote from:

http://www.stockingsathome.com/amazing_astrid/promo/001/index.html

http://www.stockingsathome.co.uk/

and this is pretty much standard for most sites I promote

Your examples show exactly why you aren't selling. You aren't speaking the language of the niche and haven't understood in the slightest what you are selling. And the real stocking lovers can see it in an instant.

[NumptyNuts]

Your examples show exactly why you aren't selling. You aren't speaking the language of the niche and haven't understood in the slightest what you are selling. And the real stocking lovers can see it in an instant.

Agreed - :) you are right

[Cardinal_Sin]

I target search traffic and also purchased google ad words, I have looked at the traffic from the adwords at it is pretty static.

.

I would seriously consider buying Google traffic a waste of cash - I have just about all of my targetted keywords covered on Google with many number 1-2-3 positions - If I had to put a value on this traffic, it would be less than 0.01 cents a click.
The best form of sales comes from branding a site (free or pay) and getting typeins - This is the traffic that really converts well -


Why are we successful? I can't be 100% sure but I think it's because we are fussy in what we post at the site. Basically if I don't like it - I don't post it. That even goes for reasonably successful sponsors of ours. I won't name anyone but only this morning I received a mail from a sponsor (and very good one at that) telling me that there were 10 new FHGs available. Checked them out as they were due a posting - but they were crap! I don't know what the guy was on when he chose the pics but a) they were dreadful and b) in no way presented the site in a good way. Why bother?
Fuck me - Hope that wasn't me!
As you know, Geoff - we shoot new stuff every week, and we always have shitloads of content that never gets to be used for affiliate marketing - If you need any new stuff, give me a shout and I'll get some sorted for you.

[NumptyNuts]

I would seriously consider buying Google traffic a waste of cash - I have just about all of my targetted keywords covered on Google with many number 1-2-3 positions - If I had to put a value on this traffic, it would be less than 0.01 cents a click.
The best form of sales comes from branding a site (free or pay) and getting typeins - This is the traffic that really converts well -

I only buy ad words for a selected sites, I will not post which ones for obvious reasons :)