View Full Version : Porn is dead. Long live the King.
dvtimes
12-05-05, 01:48 PM
I know I am going to get a bulk of posts saying, porn is not dead we made 1.5 million in a week last month, blar blar blar.
Of course porn is not dead. BUT to be honest there are now soooo many sites, and so much free content. To be honest, unless your really really naff at using the net, you can probably find some vids and pics from most porn sites posted free on the net within a few hours. Often people join a site then upload the content on a free host for others to see. There are plenty of adult forums now.
Or if I wanted to find a nude pic or vid of a model, I do not think it would be hard to find.
But as I say, I suspect I will get lots of posts from people (before they think about my comment) will tell me I am wrong. I visualise them as a captain on a sinking ship, telling there passengers everything is fine.
What I mean about porn is dead, is that it was the big thing at one time. R18, was not legal in the UK, and porn was only available (in the UK) on pirated badly copied VHS tapes. But then came the net, and people could download high quality photographs, then along came films to download as well as webcams. But everybody came onto the act. So now just about every girl in the UK is showing there boobs on camera.
Of course some BIG sites still rake it in.
But then came Poker. Poker I would say replaced porn. Just look at the money these sites are worth and raking in. Poker is king now.
But the net has other worriers on it, these being:
Net calls (Skype and others)
Broadband TV (Its going to be big)
Games (with wifi interactive games will be huge)
Porn (but will people want to pay when so much is free?)
Shopping
I believe with new faster speeds (broadband) and wifi, the internet is going to change a lot, and the uses.
And things change quick. Yahoo was huge at one point. But who uses it now. I do not think I have even been on Yahoo this year, Google is the big search engine. But that could change. Even Microsoft could be replaced. That may seem a crazy thing to say, but they are now bringing out a $100 notebook, that does not use any Microsoft software. The aim is to have all children have one worldwide by 2012. That could mean that the bulk of computers do not use Microsoft, in favour for a free version of all its softear. The knock on effect will be schools, will opt for free versions, and so may businesses.
So as I say, porn is dead, long live the King. But what will be King? and for how long?
If it is, I must be a vampire 'cos I'm still drawing blood.
dvtimes
12-05-05, 01:57 PM
If it is, I must be a vampire 'cos I'm still drawing blood.
Thats what Isaid, porn still makes money. But what would you rather own, a poker site or a porn site?
I'd rather be retired.
Come to think of it, I almost am...
xcite-tv
12-05-05, 02:03 PM
your never going to kill a business that has driven technology not just used it
dvtimes
12-05-05, 02:08 PM
your never going to kill a business that has driven technology not just used it
My point is, that porn on the net is not going to be the big earner. Look at Poker, its pulling in huge amounts.
And again taking your point, as things move on, old formats of porn do die off. An example being porn was big in cinimas, now no longer. Porn was big on VHS, but that dying back. Some have posted saying even DVD porn will die back to be replayced by broadband TV porn. So what I am trying to get at, is porn websites going to die?
When I say die I do not mean make no cash, but not make as much cash.
Look at porn mags in the UK. The price I saw of them last time, they were vitualy giving them away, simply making money from adverts.
My point is, that porn on the net is not going to be the big earner. Look at Poker, its pulling in huge amounts.
And again taking your point, as things move on, old formats of porn do die off. An example being porn was big in cinimas, now no longer. Porn was big on VHS, but that dying back. Some have posted saying even DVD porn will die back to be replayced by broadband TV porn. So what I am trying to get at, is porn websites going to die?
When I say die I do not mean make no cash, but not make as much cash.
Look at porn mags in the UK. The price I saw of them last time, they were vitualy giving them away, simply making money from adverts.
Its all relative.
Gambling offline makes more than porn offline. Why wouldnt it make more online? The only difference is that it took the gambling companies longer to realise where the futre was.
Just because gambling has finally realised doesnt meen people will all stop wanking to play poker instead does it?
As to your question which would I rather have. As a small time business man I would take porn everytime. If I was a huge gambling business like Corals then I'd take gambling.
xcite-tv
12-05-05, 02:16 PM
My point is, that porn on the net is not going to be the big earner. Look at Poker, its pulling in huge amounts.
And again taking your point, as things move on, old formats of porn do die off. An example being porn was big in cinimas, now no longer. Porn was big on VHS, but that dying back. Some have posted saying even DVD porn will die back to be replayced by broadband TV porn. So what I am trying to get at, is porn websites going to die?
When I say die I do not mean make no cash, but not make as much cash.
Look at porn mags in the UK. The price I saw of them last time, they were vitualy giving them away, simply making money from adverts.
VHS porn is not dying it is dead and buried
Adult mags too are dying and have been for 5-8 years
Internet porn will just move on within the internet to bigger and better things yes there are thousands of porn sites and just as fast as they appear others will disapear as people get "dissilusioned" with not making serious money
what most people dont realise this is a business like any other. treat it like a business and you will succeed..Treat it as a quick way to get laid (as most do) then failure is almost certain
You may have a point DVT, but I think you're ignoring the fact that some niches are quietening down, whereas other niches are exploding. I can honestly say with my hand on my heart that Shadowslaves has never earnt so much money as we're earning right now.... our sign ups have lept from "Fairly good" to "Bloody brilliant" in the past six months. I'm sure there's all sorts of reasons why - maybe we're getting better at what we do, or maybe the market for BDSM porn is getting more buoyant - but whatever the reason I ain't complaining :)
Porn is bigger now than it’s ever been and saying that there is too much free stuff out there now just makes me laugh. We put out far more free stuff now every month than our entire paysites used to contain back in the late 90s and we make far more money now.
Having the ability to sit at a computer all day with a hard-on doesn’t make you a businessman and if you cant sell wanks to wankers it doesn’t mean that there is no money in porn.
dvtimes
12-05-05, 02:34 PM
VHS porn is not dying it is dead and buried
Adult mags too are dying and have been for 5-8 years
Internet porn will just move on within the internet to bigger and better things yes there are thousands of porn sites and just as fast as they appear others will disapear as people get "dissilusioned" with not making serious money
what most people dont realise this is a business like any other. treat it like a business and you will succeed..Treat it as a quick way to get laid (as most do) then failure is almost certain
People still buy vhs porn. It may only be a few people but it still sells.
Porn mags are not dead. Go to most corner shop newagests and they sell them.
I worked in apetrol station for a week last year (hepling a sick mate out) and I was amazed how many porn mags I sold. And this was not a busy station, not on a main street.
The problem is, is that each day people are opening free porn sites. Such as messageboards. And people simply post content or passwords.
These days, you can buy content cheap. A cheap host. An off the shelf design. And thats it. Off you go. Your site is next to a site that has years and years of custom conent on it, yet for a serfer, it will not look any different. So somone who has spent a few $$ could make as much as a firm who spent thousands. And I see people do this each day, setting up cheap sites with little content. Many look better than many sites that have been on the net for years.
dvtimes
12-05-05, 02:36 PM
You may have a point DVT, but I think you're ignoring the fact that some niches are quietening down, whereas other niches are exploding. I can honestly say with my hand on my heart that Shadowslaves has never earnt so much money as we're earning right now.... our sign ups have lept from "Fairly good" to "Bloody brilliant" in the past six months. I'm sure there's all sorts of reasons why - maybe we're getting better at what we do, or maybe the market for BDSM porn is getting more buoyant - but whatever the reason I ain't complaining :)
The problem is, is that people soon catch on, and copy what you do.
Look at Dogger. He was one of the first (I think) to do the stocking sites. Now there are tons and tons of sites doing it.
People still buy vhs porn. It may only be a few people but it still sells.
Porn mags are not dead. Go to most corner shop newagests and they sell them.
I worked in apetrol station for a week last year (hepling a sick mate out) and I was amazed how many porn mags I sold. And this was not a busy station, not on a main street.
The problem is, is that each day people are opening free porn sites. Such as messageboards. And people simply post content or passwords.
These days, you can buy content cheap. A cheap host. An off the shelf design. And thats it. Off you go. Your site is next to a site that has years and years of custom conent on it, yet for a serfer, it will not look any different. So somone who has spent a few $$ could make as much as a firm who spent thousands. And I see people do this each day, setting up cheap sites with little content. Many look better than many sites that have been on the net for years.
Too many people in the business who don't understand how it works.
The problem is, is that people soon catch on, and copy what you do.
Look at Dogger. He was one of the first (I think) to do the stocking sites. Now there are tons and tons of sites doing it.
So how come the *GOOD* sites are making more money month on month year on year? Its not about being the first its about being the best.
dvtimes
12-05-05, 02:40 PM
Porn is bigger now than it’s ever been and saying that there is too much free stuff out there now just makes me laugh. We put out far more free stuff now every month than our entire paysites used to contain back in the late 90s and we make far more money now.
Having the ability to sit at a computer all day with a hard-on doesn’t make you a businessman and if you cant sell wanks to wankers it doesn’t mean that there is no money in porn.
I am not saying there is no money in porn. What I am saying is that if your on a rowof shops, and all of them are selling fish 'n' chips and doing ok from it, would you open another fish'n'chips shop, even if you knew you would make a living, or would you have a different business?
mellenig
12-05-05, 02:41 PM
Too many people in the business who don't understand how it works.
:agree:
dvtimes
12-05-05, 02:42 PM
Too many people in the business who don't understand how it works.
Sure. But they are still taking customers from you.
And even if they join and thinks the sites suck, are they then put off from joining others?
mellenig
12-05-05, 02:43 PM
The problem is, is that people soon catch on, and copy what you do.
Look at Dogger. He was one of the first (I think) to do the stocking sites. Now there are tons and tons of sites doing it.
Thats any business not just porn
I am not saying there is no money in porn. What I am saying is that if your on a rowof shops, and all of them are selling fish 'n' chips and doing ok from it, would you open another fish'n'chips shop, even if you knew you would make a living, or would you have a different business?
Yes I would if my shop was going to be the best. Thats how business works.
The problem with porn is 99% is dire and utter shite. We cater for customers looking for the other 1%.
dvtimes
12-05-05, 02:44 PM
My point is that Porn is no longer the King on the net. Other types of business are getting bigger.
Not that porn is dead, but other things are making big bucks. And often with far less competition.
My point is that Porn is no longer the King on the net. Other types of business are getting bigger.
Not that porn is dead, but other things are making big bucks. And often with far less competition.
Lots of stuff is making money on the net now but how could you make money so fast, so easily and so regular as porn?
I am not saying there is no money in porn. What I am saying is that if your on a rowof shops, and all of them are selling fish 'n' chips and doing ok from it, would you open another fish'n'chips shop, even if you knew you would make a living, or would you have a different business?
I would open another fish and chip shop.
When I want to go out to eat, I will go somewhere where ther are a load of resturants, not one. Same thing when I buy clothes, I dont want one shop, I go to where I know there will be loads.
If I want Chinease food. I go to china town where there are 100's of chinease resturants.
If you opened a chinese restuarnt tommorow. Would you a) pick somewhere these isnt a chinese resturant yet, or b) pick China town? For me the option would be b. You ask anyone whos ever owned a shop of any sort. custom brings in more custom, fact.
xcite-tv
12-05-05, 02:50 PM
The problem is, is that people soon catch on, and copy what you do.
Look at Dogger. He was one of the first (I think) to do the stocking sites. Now there are tons and tons of sites doing it.
whats the saying: if you build a better mousetrap, than your neigbour the world will beat a path to your door.
even better is
"Standing in the middle of the road is very dangerous; you get knocked down by traffic from both sides".
--Margaret Thatcher
And often with far less competition.
Competition is good, not bad. Competition meens better product, which in turn meens more sales
Competition is good, not bad. Competition meens better product, which in turn meens more sales
Absolutely.
There are more useless businessmen in porn than any other industry in the world.
dvtimes
12-05-05, 02:57 PM
whats the saying: if you build a better mousetrap, than your neigbour the world will beat a path to your door.
even better is
"Standing in the middle of the road is very dangerous; you get knocked down by traffic from both sides".
--Margaret Thatcher
The problem with porn sites is that who knows what is a good site or not?
These days many look the same.
So unless you join, its simply a gamble.
The problem with porn sites is that who knows what is a good site or not?
Bank Managers
The problem with porn sites is that who knows what is a good site or not?
These days many look the same.
So unless you join, its simply a gamble.
Punters are not that daft anymore. A lot of them have more savvy than the site owners.
I'd say stick to a niche that you understand.... make porn that turns YOU on.
xcite-tv
12-05-05, 03:48 PM
I'd say stick to a niche that you understand.... make porn that turns YOU on.
:agree:
Times change and the easy money with no effert (porn market) is no longer there like it was in the early days. But in saying that Porn is still huge to capatilise on. There will always be the freeloader shitheads but it all comes down to what traffic gen you use to drive your sales.
Comparison wise the webmaster that just does galleries will get less sales then the webmaster that goes cpc with adwords persay.
And I agree with Rosie. Bdsm and it's mirco splinter niches have never made me so much money as compared with, of late. I dunno whats going on but im all for it.
And I also agree punters are more educted then they were. Most frequent review sites, surfer forums and ask their mates. And most are wary of the cross sell bullshit and tricks like that.
-N
Times change and the easy money with no effert (porn market) is no longer there like it was in the early days. But in saying that Porn is still huge to capatilise on. There will always be the freeloader shitheads but it all comes down to what traffic gen you use to drive your sales.
Comparison wise the webmaster that just does galleries will get less sales then the webmaster that goes cpc with adwords persay.
And I agree with Rosie. Bdsm and it's mirco splinter niches have never made me so much money as compared with, of late. I dunno whats going on but im all for it.
And I also agree punters are more educted then they were. Most frequent review sites, surfer forums and ask their mates. And most are wary of the cross sell bullshit and tricks like that.
-N
We have been online since the late 90s and last year was our best ever and we already broke that record by September of this year.
It's not so much about easy money with no effort anymore but running a business now.
graphicsbytia
12-06-05, 02:13 PM
Times change and the easy money with no effert (porn market) is no longer there like it was in the early days. But in saying that Porn is still huge to capatilise on. There will always be the freeloader shitheads but it all comes down to what traffic gen you use to drive your sales.
Comparison wise the webmaster that just does galleries will get less sales then the webmaster that goes cpc with adwords persay.
And I agree with Rosie. Bdsm and it's mirco splinter niches have never made me so much money as compared with, of late. I dunno whats going on but im all for it.
And I also agree punters are more educted then they were. Most frequent review sites, surfer forums and ask their mates. And most are wary of the cross sell bullshit and tricks like that.
-N
Micro niches always existed, it just took someone with vision to cash in on them.
When we started Sell my Content, I knew niche content was the way to go. The question was, how to make our company stand out from the rest. We came up with the idea of offering services with the content, much like sponsors are doing now, we make search engine friendly galleries with the purchased content, watermark it, and several other things that make our company worth doing business with.
A good idea is one that's always been there, but no one has thought of doing yet.
The porn business has grown to huge proportions in the last few years, and along with that so has the number of new surfers going online for the first time. Keeping up with the times is something that's necessary to stay successful. Those who don't will surely loose out.
It's really no different than any other business at any other point in time. Things change, you either change with them or die out.
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