Opinions please!!!

[lilpixie]

Hia

I wanted to set up a paysite - photographer I contacted that takes pix in this niche says he is happy to do my pix - he will supply model release & ID but will only accept cash & won't provide an invoice. I am not happy.

Am I being too wary?? Opinions please

Sarah aka lilpixie xx

[JT]

Hia

I wanted to set up a paysite - photographer I contacted that takes pix in this niche says he is happy to do my pix - he will supply model release & ID but will only accept cash & won't provide an invoice. I am not happy.

Am I being too wary?? Opinions please

Sarah aka lilpixie xx

Wod is god :)

If the price agreed was a cash price and you are getting it cheaper then I dont see thats unreasonable.

Cash jobs are just that, cash, with no need to tell the VAT or Tax man.....Not that I would ever think of of such a thing ;)

[Geezer]

Wod is god :)

If the price agreed was a cash price and you are getting it cheaper then I dont see thats unreasonable.

Cash jobs are just that, cash, with no need to tell the VAT or Tax man.....Not that I would ever think of of such a thing ;)


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[graphicsbytia]

lilpixie,

I would be more wary of getting ripped off then worried about an invoice.

Make sure you have some kind of safeguard against it because not being able to use a credit card or even having an invoice, if he doesn't deliver the goods, you have no real recourse against him.

If it were me, I'd get the content up front first before I paid for it. He may not want to do this, but hey.. there are plenty of photographers around looking for work, so you really have the advantage here.

[lilpixie]

Thanx for opinions - he was or is going to be my main content provider for a pay site so I want to be able to declare my deductions fro tax purposes.

[SGS]

Cash in the 21st century? Was ok for the boys in the blackstuff but it's not something we would ever do now. Run your business properly and take it seriously as at some point you *will* be looked at by the taxman *if* you actually make any money and do you really want a load of agro?

[lilpixie]

SGS

That is my gut feeling too. I am already registered for VAT so don't particularly want either Customs & Excise or the beloved tax man querying this

Thanx for your input guys!!

Sarah xx

[xcite-tv]

Cash in the 21st century? Was ok for the boys in the blackstuff but it's not something we would ever do now. Run your business properly and take it seriously as at some point you *will* be looked at by the taxman *if* you actually make any money and do you really want a load of agro?



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[Paul Markham]

The tax man isn't stupid and will take you down and your supplier in a few hours if he finds you.

Firstly you have a tax return and one look at it tells him you have content and no invoice. So he will want to see the model releases and IDs. Then he will contact the models and if the model release is correct it will name the shooter.

Now he has your arse on a platter and deciding what to do with you. The standard is you pay the tax you owe, plus interest and a fine of 2 to 3 times the amount owed. He will also skin alive the photographer.

Or did you think the tax man looking after you will be too busy to check your figures? The VAT man might also get involved and you really are sunk.

I'm assuming that you get the content in the first place which I highly doubt, as this guy does not appear to be professional.

[xcite-tv]

SGS

That is my gut feeling too. I am already registered for VAT so don't particularly want either Customs & Excise or the beloved tax man querying this

Thanx for your input guys!!

Sarah xx

One more point is the Custom and Excise and Inland Revenue are now one in the same so as soon as you send in your VAT return, the inland revenue are notified

[Elisha Jade]

I'd be a bit weary myself i think. I like to get invoices for all of the things we do especiall when it comes down to content.

[JT]

Firstly you have a tax return and one look at it tells him you have content and no invoice. So he will want to see the model releases and IDs. Then he will contact the models and if the model release is correct it will name the shooter.

Now he has your arse on a platter and deciding what to do with you. The standard is you pay the tax you owe, plus interest and a fine of 2 to 3 times the amount owed. He will also skin alive the photographer.

Or did you think the tax man looking after you will be too busy to check your figures? The VAT man might also get involved and you really are sunk.

I'm assuming that you get the content in the first place which I highly doubt, as this guy does not appear to be professional.

What a crock of shit. How will the tax man know what content you have? Thats complete bullshit.

Plus she isnt hiding any earnings or VAT anyway. Shes paying out not recieving. What the photographer does is up to him. If she wants to buy something with cash, that has nothing to do with the tax man or the VAT man. Shes not avoiding either. Shes buying something with cash like millions of people do every day. Shes not obliged to get an invoice or a reciept. You are talking shit.

Arse on the platter? What for, spending her money? She will be find 2 or 3 times what exactly? for spending her money and not keeping a reciept? :lmao2:

The VAT man will get involved in what? Shes not avoiding VAT. You obviously dont even know what avoiding VAT is. The only way she can avoid paying VAT is if shes collected it and not declared it or not charged someone for it when she should have. You cant avoid VAT by paying someone else. If the photographer doesnt want to declare it thats up to him.

Thats the most stupid post Ive ever read.

[JT]

One more point is the Custom and Excise and Inland Revenue are now one in the same so as soon as you send in your VAT return, the inland revenue are notified

So what? Shes not avoiding either. She can spend her money any way she wishes and isnt obliged to keep any reciepts for any of it. If the photographer wants to avoid tax thats up to him, she isnt doing anything wrong

[daveydude]

What a crock of shit. How will the tax man know what content you have? Thats complete bullshit.

Plus she isnt hiding any earnings or VAT anyway. Shes paying out not recieving. What the photographer does is up to him. If she wants to buy something with cash, that has nothing to do with the tax man or the VAT man. Shes not avoiding either. Shes buying something with cash like millions of people do every day. Shes not obliged to get an invoice or a reciept. You are talking shit.

Arse on the platter? What for, spending her money? She will be find 2 or 3 times what exactly? for spending her money and not keeping a reciept? :lmao2:

The VAT man will get involved in what? Shes not avoiding VAT. You obviously dont even know what avoiding VAT is. The only way she can avoid paying VAT is if shes collected it and not declared it or not charged someone for it when she should have. You cant avoid VAT by paying someone else. If the photographer doesnt want to declare it thats up to him.

Thats the most stupid post Ive ever read.

Could you be a bit less vague JT. Are you agreeing with Paul here or what?

[JT]

Could you be a bit less vague JT. Are you agreeing with Paul here or what?

well....some of the shit people talk is intrue. You draw out money from your account. Spend the whole lot on a mixture of fruit salads and black jacks from your local sweet shop and the tax man fines you 3 times your last years earnings :lmao2:

fuck, some common sense goes along way sometimes. The only reason its not good to pay with cash is: a) you cant claim the tax back so its taken as an earning, so you can pretty much add 1/3 of the cost in lost tax and: b) because you have nothing to argue about if the man fucks you over.

But saying that the tax man will fine you 3 times what you earnt last year for spending you own money is beyond a joke.

[dvtimes]

Hia

I wanted to set up a paysite - photographer I contacted that takes pix in this niche says he is happy to do my pix - he will supply model release & ID but will only accept cash & won't provide an invoice. I am not happy.

Am I being too wary?? Opinions please

Sarah aka lilpixie xxAre these pics going to be of you, or of models (I ask as I thought you were a lady with your pic). If it is of you, then you do not sigh a model release (as its for your site). Just wondered if he wanted a copy of the model release.

And if its other models, are you paying them direct, or is he paying them?

As you say, you want to show that you have money going out. In fact it may be untill the site gets going, you have more cash going out than comming in.

Its always worth getting a record of what you spend. Especialy if you plan on making a lot of cash.

Of course it sounds like he does not want to claim money he has earnt. But as you will be getting checks or money wired into your account, you cannot hide this fact.

[dvtimes]

well....some of the shit people talk is intrue. You draw out money from your account. Spend the whole lot on a mixture of fruit salads and black jacks from your local sweet shop and the tax man fines you 3 times your last years earnings :lmao2: .

I am thinking of spending all the money I have in the bank on black jacks. How many can I get for 4p ?

[JT]

I am thinking of spending all the money I have in the bank on black jacks. How many can I get for 4p ?


You can buy 4, but if you don't tell the tax man he will fine you 3 times the money you earnt last year apparently

[dvtimes]

You can buy 4, but if you don't tell the tax man he will fine you 3 times the money you earnt last year apparentlyI think to be far people misread her comments, or got sidetracked.

My advise on to anyone starting a adult site is not to do it solo but havve a few of you working on it. The ones that do the best always seem to have a team of people working on them, inc webdesigner, somonme who knows about servers and the technical stuff, somone to take the content and so on.

But this takes trust.

Its a bit like a hairdresser. Sure she (or he) may be a great hairdresser, but may have no idea how to run a business, or to promote it. Also she (he) may not be able to do other things such as nails and so on. This may seem a daft example, but many businesses die simply because the owner tries to do everything. Its the same with websites. I am amazed how many people who go pure solo in there porn sites seem to think they can do everything (and I see them posting how good they are at everything). Often (always) they are only good at one part of the business, and very poor at others. And if anyone says anything negative, everybody else is wrong.

This is why I use AVS system to host my sites. I realised very early on that I could not do everything (many would say I cannot do anything).

[Paul Markham]

What a crock of shit. How will the tax man know what content you have? Thats complete bullshit.

Plus she isnt hiding any earnings or VAT anyway. Shes paying out not recieving. What the photographer does is up to him. If she wants to buy something with cash, that has nothing to do with the tax man or the VAT man. Shes not avoiding either. Shes buying something with cash like millions of people do every day. Shes not obliged to get an invoice or a reciept. You are talking shit.

Arse on the platter? What for, spending her money? She will be find 2 or 3 times what exactly? for spending her money and not keeping a reciept? :lmao2:

The VAT man will get involved in what? Shes not avoiding VAT. You obviously dont even know what avoiding VAT is. The only way she can avoid paying VAT is if shes collected it and not declared it or not charged someone for it when she should have. You cant avoid VAT by paying someone else. If the photographer doesnt want to declare it thats up to him.

Thats the most stupid post Ive ever read.
She will be using this person as her content provider for the site, so the site will be up with content and no invoice to cover it. Unless she writes one herself.

Unless you've been under a tax investigation you have not got a clue what it's like and I suspect you have not. Un this case the hope is the taxman misses it, but if they find it they dig and dig deep. The VAT man may get involved and then it's down to identifying which payments come from EU countries and which did not.

But as you obviosly run your business different to most I suggest you tell us the name of your accountant who allows you to run yours this way. So the rest can avoid him. I assume you have an accountant.

[Paul Markham]

So what? Shes not avoiding either. She can spend her money any way she wishes and isnt obliged to keep any reciepts for any of it. If the photographer wants to avoid tax thats up to him, she isnt doing anything wrong
This is the most stupid post in this thread. I've seen more stupid on GFY. :eyebrows:

So you think running a business does not require keeping reciepts. Again give us the name of your accountant. :Penis

[Paul Markham]

well....some of the shit people talk is intrue. You draw out money from your account. Spend the whole lot on a mixture of fruit salads and black jacks from your local sweet shop and the tax man fines you 3 times your last years earnings :lmao2:

fuck, some common sense goes along way sometimes. The only reason its not good to pay with cash is: a) you cant claim the tax back so its taken as an earning, so you can pretty much add 1/3 of the cost in lost tax and: b) because you have nothing to argue about if the man fucks you over.

But saying that the tax man will fine you 3 times what you earnt last year for spending you own money is beyond a joke.
You have little to no idea of the law. You are saying it's legal to be part of a scheme to defraud the tax man.

Sarah knew before that the photographer was doing this to avoid paying tax, well knew he did not want to provide an invoice, you are advising Sarah there is no need to keep reciepts, you are right about it making her look more profitable, but your advice on book keeping is 100% wrong.

I suggest you run your business any way you like and let others follow the law.

Ans you show how wrong you are by saying I said the fine would be 3 times what was earned. Read my post first before commenting please.

[Paul Markham]

There is another aspect that this thread has not covered.

Unless the photographer signs over the copyright he owns the pictures, whether Sarah or he pays or Sarah is the model. This is tried and trusted in UK courts.

I suggest you think this one through long and hard. No proof you paid, what proof you paid the models and no transfer of copyright.

All sounds a bit dodgy to me.

There are very good reasons to running a business professionally and legally. Like keeping out of trouble. But consider this please.

Your accounts go to a person, in the tax office, who is anti porn or interested in porn. They see what you do and follow the links through to your site. They then decide to take a very close look at what you're doing and how you run your business. Now you have someone looking into your accounting looking for mistakes.

All because you wanted to deal with someone who was unprofessional.

[JT]

She will be using this person as her content provider for the site, so the site will be up with content and no invoice to cover it. Unless she writes one herself.

Unless you've been under a tax investigation you have not got a clue what it's like and I suspect you have not. Un this case the hope is the taxman misses it, but if they find it they dig and dig deep. The VAT man may get involved and then it's down to identifying which payments come from EU countries and which did not.

But as you obviosly run your business different to most I suggest you tell us the name of your accountant who allows you to run yours this way. So the rest can avoid him. I assume you have an accountant.

Crap. If she wanted she could say, she bought all the content for cash. She isnt defrauding anyone. Or she could just take the money out of the business as earnings. Shes not doing anything wrong. As for bringing the VAT man. If he is not VAT registered there is NO vat issue.

I didnt say I ran anything like this. I am VAT registered, you are not otherwise you would know at least the basics.

She isnt avoiding any VAT and if he isnt VAT registered, neither is he.

So get your facts right.

[JP]

I got some biz cards printed up the other week and accidentally paid for them with ten pound notes ... im fucked :cry:

[Shandy McAndy]

I save all my cash purchases for things I cant put through the business, like Builders, mechanics etc, if its something I can put through the business then I wouldnt give cash.


But saying if she pays someone a bit of cash who may not even be VAT registered will get her investigated by the VAT office is well quite laughable. Anyone whos ever run a VAT business would know that isnt the case :lmao2:

If your talking a few hundred quid or even a couple of grand and the price is much cheaper, enough to pay the extra tax after taking it as a drawing, then its worth it. If its more, like big money or the price isnt alot cheaper then I would get an invoice.

Although Ludicrous, Paul Markem does have one point. If there is a dispute over ownership of the photographs, without proof of purchase you would be in a good possition

[Shandy McAndy]

I got some biz cards printed up the other week and accidentally paid for them with ten pound notes ... im fucked :cry:


Prison, maybe :lmao2:

[Shandy McAndy]

Now he has your arse on a platter and deciding what to do with you. The standard is you pay the tax you owe, plus interest and a fine of 2 to 3 times the amount owed.

:lmao2: Tax she owes on what? She is spending not recieving. In fact she will have to take the money out of her business, that would meen she is paying tax on it as an earning. She is paying extra tax not less tax. If he is not declearing it, thats his look out, not hers

[Paul Markham]

OK so long as she records who and when she paid the money out to she will be in the clear with the tax man.

But still get the photographer to sign over the copyrights to you, otherwise he still owns the content.

[Shandy McAndy]

But still get the photographer to sign over the copyrights to you, otherwise he still owns the content.


Thats the good point you made. If it goes pair shape, saying to the judge, I paid the bloke in cash, isnt going to cut the mustard.


Plus like I said, I pay people who I cant claim it back through the business, like builders etc. Cant see the point in paying cash for a legit business expense