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xcite-tv
12-03-05, 10:15 AM
I see the Northern Irish now have their very own princess Diana
£200,000 of taxpayers money on what is a state funeral in all but name
outpouring of grief on the streets of Belfast and flowers piled outside the estate house of Bests dad....which is hardly Kensington Palace
Street procession to Storemont !!!!
Ok minutes silence at Old Trafford the other night was sad as his son was there and you have to feel for his family and friends
But what the fuck is this country coming to
He was an 30 year alcoholic ex footballer of questionable (questionable in that he was very good, but how good??? as he was never tested on a world stage) footballing ability who retired from proper football at 27 to become a career drunk and sometime football TV pundit
The Diana syndrome strikes our country again
outpouring of grief from people who mostly never even saw him play but admire his life after football (drinking culture)
Didnt even buy his dad a decent house.....
ukwebmasters
12-03-05, 10:22 AM
united till I die but... I have to agree with you there
xcite-tv
12-03-05, 11:11 AM
united till I die but... I have to agree with you there
I see your like most united fans then........abroad :lmao2:
I see your like most united fans then........abroad :lmao2:
LOL
I see the Northern Irish now have their very own princess Diana
£200,000 of taxpayers money on what is a state funeral in all but name
outpouring of grief on the streets of Belfast and flowers piled outside the estate house of Bests dad....which is hardly Kensington Palace
Street procession to Storemont !!!!
Ok minutes silence at Old Trafford the other night was sad as his son was there and you have to feel for his family and friends
But what the fuck is this country coming to
He was an 30 year alcoholic ex footballer of questionable (questionable in that he was very good, but how good??? as he was never tested on a world stage) footballing ability who retired from proper football at 27 to become a career drunk and sometime football TV pundit
The Diana syndrome strikes our country again
outpouring of grief from people who mostly never even saw him play but admire his life after football (drinking culture)
Didnt even buy his dad a decent house.....
I get your point. Also, why does it need to be on TV? Very odd.
But as to his talent. The sad thing is that he never got to be on the world stage. We would have seen a truly international star then. something special. Its OK being Maradona etc when you are in the best side in the world. try doing it when you are in one of the worste
morefodder
12-03-05, 11:30 AM
Bet it gets repeated as its on the BBC ... whoo spankin hoo :mad:
Not being disrespectful, but I dont like football at all, so he aint done much that I would be proud of.
I dont like football at all, so he aint done much that I would be proud of.
Shagged an unfeasable amount of very horny women :crown:
morefodder
12-03-05, 11:35 AM
Shagged an unfeasable amount of very horny women :crown:
Thats why I didnt say nothing :lmao2:
xcite-tv
12-03-05, 11:48 AM
Its OK being Maradona etc when you are in the best side in the world. try doing it when you are in one of the worste
OH come on JT Man U are not the worst side in the world...
xcite-tv
12-03-05, 11:48 AM
Shagged an unfeasable amount of very horny women :crown:
and some of them Miss Worlds.......
George had a way of making everyone who met him feel good about him no matter what. He got to people with his personality whether he was drunk or sober....
I can say that as a friend of his back in the 80's, he had a polite word with anyone and everyone who aproached him for a chat or autograph. He never did the "I am" bit.
xcite-tv
12-03-05, 02:14 PM
He never did the "I am" bit.
Thats because he couldn't for long
he could do the "I was" bit though
Actually i have great respect for him as a player... i just dont think he was the greatest....as i have said
and as a man i didnt know so bow to your having met him so respect
but there is someone dead today that could have used his liver
But the fuss made today is a disgrace Even Radio 5 had the funeral live
Shame as Fighting Talk would have been interesting today...
I was driving picking the kids up from school today and usually listen to Radio 5 and to hear the bollocks sprouted by some speakers made my blood boil
Quote.. "The Beatles wrote Imagine, George Lived it" ???????/ WTF ???
Quote..."There was nothing he could do on a football field"
Turning up would have been a start..dont think he was a good goalie either
Quote...." I dont think there will be a better Irishman in my lifetime"
Thats a damning comment about Irishmen
What about Greaves will he get the same treatment
I can say that as a friend of his back in the 80's, he had a polite word with anyone and everyone who aproached him for a chat or autograph. He never did the "I am" bit.
LMAO. How ironic. Anyone you dont know dude? ;)
Personally I think it was all in order - Belfast gave their most prodigal of sons a fucking good send off
JP...
There's a lot I did before getting in to the adult industry in 1999....
Being a fashion designer and dj'ing or being a customer in the better London clubs from the late 60's - 95 meant I got to know a lot of people :) Basically I used to work and play very hard. I only gave it up due to the hrs I started to put in to starting in this biz. I'd plan to go out at night and then the next thing I knew it was 2 am and too late to go anywhere :(
Personally I think it was all in order - Belfast gave their most prodigal of sons a fucking good send off
did it warrant time on BBC1 Tellevision?
I just saw the funeral on Ch4 news... Fucking Hell..
That was just a little too much even for my eyes.... I can see why a few of you posted comparing it to Diana's.. That was far to over the top.. Even I have to make a sarky comment and wonder when he'll be canonised after all that pomp... LOL
did it warrant time on BBC1 Tellevision?
Yes it did.
Wassa matter - did you miss dick and dom or something? ;)
did it warrant time on BBC1 Tellevision?
Just wait till Hurricane Higgins goes. :eyebrows:
dvtimes
12-03-05, 08:36 PM
Being too you to see him play, and having no interest in football anyway, my view may be different.
George Best, was a seleb unlike any other. He was a playboy, and probably the bigest playboy that there has ever been (from the UK).
My vision of him is not a footballer but this playboy who was at one point huge. Sure he drank and mabe took drugs, but this was part of the playboy lifestyle.
Its hard to think of any other person who could be said to be as big of a playboy as Best. He became bigger than most (if not all) UK film stars.
Even footballers and film stars of today look rather dull next to him.
And as for the funeral. Well the way I see it, its good to have somthing possitive to celabrate in Norther Irland. I hope it brings people together. I did not see it, but I suspect it was done well. Rather than a funeral but a day of celibrations.
Being too you to see him play, and having no interest in football anyway, my view may be different.
George Best, was a seleb unlike any other. He was a playboy, and probably the bigest playboy that there has ever been (from the UK).
My vision of him is not a footballer but this playboy who was at one point huge. Sure he drank and mabe took drugs, but this was part of the playboy lifestyle.
Its hard to think of any other person who could be said to be as big of a playboy as Best. He became bigger than most (if not all) UK film stars.
Even footballers and film stars of today look rather dull next to him.
And as for the funeral. Well the way I see it, its good to have somthing possitive to celabrate in Norther Irland. I hope it brings people together. I did not see it, but I suspect it was done well. Rather than a funeral but a day of celibrations.
Good post.
Well seems like an even split here....... Like Joe A, I knew George slightly... well bought him a drink or 2..... and he was the nicest most unassuming fella you'd ever get to meet.... he had time and a nice word for every one.... including me.
Could you imagine Beckham turning up in a bar on his own today??? George used to...
I was listening to his old team mate Pat Crerand on the radio today..... who said he never saw George pick up a woman... he was too shy.... the women used to pick him up.... he'd go in a pub or club sit at the end of the bar and next thing you knew he'd have a right bevy of stunning women around him..... now thats a class act!!!!!
I also read some comments about him not proving himself on the world stage... wasn't his fault.... and sure he would have wanted Northern Ireland to get into world cup.... maybe it was part of the reason he gave up when he did.. he knew he had no chance of going further than winning the European Cup......
As for his funeral today.... maybe people have gone over the top a little with their grief... I dont know I didnt see it.... but he is one of the few people who transended the religous divides in Northern Ireland.... and I'm pleased the people wanted to show it....
As for Alex Higgings... one of my fondest memories is Alex Higgins playing George Best at snooker in the Manchester Press Club at 5am in the morning..... both paraletic drunk... for 500 quid a frame (this was in 1974)....... thats how open they were to the local people and their fans...
Bye George... thanks for the memories both on and off the field...
Gawdi
You have described Georges pulling technique to a T.. Did you ever come down to London in the 80's... Two guys from Manchester ,Joe and Mike (I can't remember their surnames) opened the club Blondes with George in Mayfair. This is how I got to know him well.. He just sat on his stool in the corner at the end of the bar, and the girls just flocked over to him.. He didn't have to do a thing :)
Yes it did.
Wassa matter - did you miss dick and dom or something? ;)
It did? Maybe Im the only person who couldnt give a flying fuck if he was alive or dead. I certainly wouldnt want to watch his funeral. I have some painting that is drying, I'll go and watch that instead.
dvtimes
12-04-05, 12:44 AM
It did? Maybe Im the only person who couldnt give a flying fuck if he was alive or dead. I certainly wouldnt want to watch his funeral. I have some painting that is drying, I'll go and watch that instead.
I think your missing the point.
To football fans he was a hero. The first star of all footballers.
To those who hate football (and too young to watch him play), he is a playbo, who lived a great life. Even today, he does look cool (an icon) when you see those old clips of him in adverts and posing with the ladies.
Now for those in Northern Irkland, he was a local hero. I am not sure Nothern Irland has produced anyone as famouse.
I watched the news before the funeral (mised the funeral - forgot it was on), and it sounded that it was less of a funeral, and more of a happy day. Somthing for all to join in. A bit of a one off nationasl holiday.
So it cost 200,000. Well what is that for a day the whole of Northern Irland could celerbrate. Not a great deal. Lets face it, they spend as much these days on fireworks at your local park. And lets face it, they will have made more than 200,000 from all the people who went to the funeral. I expect prenty of people from england went. [and all the tax from all the drinking].
I think he would be the last to get such a funeral.
And you compaire it to Diane. I bet more people were at Best's funeral.
As I say it was a day for Nothern Irland. And with luck it will have broat others together.
And you never know, if it put just a few people of from being drunks, it would save the NHS more than 200,000 in operations.
I think your missing the point.
To football fans he was a hero. The first star of all footballers.
To those who hate football (and too young to watch him play), he is a playbo, who lived a great life.
no, you miss the point. for anyone thinking straight he was a fucking alcohol abuser who got a liver transplant he didn't deserve as he killed his liver through drinking, not because of an illness.
get over this idol idea you have there.
dvtimes
12-04-05, 01:33 AM
no, you miss the point. for anyone thinking straight he was a fucking alcohol abuser who got a liver transplant he didn't deserve as he killed his liver through drinking, not because of an illness.
get over this idol idea you have there.
He became an alcoholic, as he went on.
But this makes him more like rock and roll stars who take drugs (and die from them).
He is not my idel. I am too young (32), but I remember the images of him, and they are cool.
At the end of the day, if your not a fan, then all you need do is have turned the tv over when the funeral was on.
But I do not think anyone is celerbrating him being a drunk. For me I found it painfull to see anyone kill themselves like he did.
But then again, why did his loved ones alow him to keep getting in that state. To me it should be made an offence to serve anybody who is clearly an alcoholic.
It remids me of tha twat chris even getting his mate drunk all the time (that footballer chap, from newcastle). He basicly destroyed his football carea. What a mate.
As I say, if 200,000 (not a lot of cash these days, not even a flat in london) brought Nothern Irland together, it was money well spent.
doesn't matter when he started drinking. he did it, he fucked his inner organ, tough tits, wyh give him a liver someone else would have deserved more as they lost theirs in an accident or through illness.
he got more than he deserved there already.
dvtimes
12-04-05, 01:47 AM
I think thats NHS polotics.
Shandy McAndy
12-04-05, 09:22 AM
doesn't matter when he started drinking. he did it, he fucked his inner organ, tough tits, wyh give him a liver someone else would have deserved more as they lost theirs in an accident or through illness.
he got more than he deserved there already.
Where do you draw the line? If someone is driving to fast and is in an accident, do we say we dont give them blood because someone he didnt drive to fast needs it?
Someone who eats to much and has a bad heart? Are they not allowed heart Surgery
Where do you draw the line? If someone is driving to fast and is in an accident, do we say we dont give them blood because someone he didnt drive to fast needs it?
Someone who eats to much and has a bad heart? Are they not allowed heart Surgery
matter of factly, yes, that is exactly my line of thinking. if there is a choice to be made between someone being the victim of an accident or an illness and someone who just throws their health away, the victim should come first, the other gets the remainders.
your blood example isn't too good, as there is hardly ever a shortage in blood banks' stock.
if i had it my way, there'd be a strict insurance system, with little to no payment for the basic treatments you need to stay healthy, become healthy again and the aids you may need, like glasses or hearing aids or artifical limbs and such. anything you risk by doing something else than what is considered safe or healthy, you either pay extra insurance or you pay the treatment if you need it.
as an example: i never started riding motorbikes, since i knew i would drive way too fast and would most likely end up hurt or dead. now if i had started and had an accident, i would find it extremely unfair if the health system would have to carry me.
also i could do with losing weight. am i really motivated? nah, my doc keeps telling me my test results are perfectly fine, so i put it off and enjoy life. would i have to pay extra health insurance, i'd prolly be tempted.
why do i pay for smokers, drinkers, druggies? why do i pay for those doing more sports than an average work out, like bungee jumping, kite surfing, ...?
people always want to be free and independent, there is a chance to act accordingly, to have less gov influence, less control over how their money is spent. pay up for your 'fun'. ;)
xcite-tv
12-04-05, 03:12 PM
If I am not mistaken the Cromwell Hospital is Private So he probably paid for treatment anyway...
Its still a waste of a good liver though
If I am not mistaken the Cromwell Hospital is Private So he probably paid for treatment anyway...
Its still a waste of a good liver though
where did the liver come from though? there is no private market he could have bought it on, not officially anyway. this is where the health system should redirect the organ to a case where the reason wasn't voluntary selfdestruction. :)
obviously if there is no such case where they can use that organ at that, use it of course. no point in throwing it away just to prove a point.
xcite-tv
12-04-05, 05:06 PM
well he may as well have got down his local butchers the good it did him
matter of factly, yes, that is exactly my line of thinking. if there is a choice to be made between someone being the victim of an accident or an illness and someone who just throws their health away, the victim should come first, the other gets the remainders.
your blood example isn't too good, as there is hardly ever a shortage in blood banks' stock.
if i had it my way, there'd be a strict insurance system, with little to no payment for the basic treatments you need to stay healthy, become healthy again and the aids you may need, like glasses or hearing aids or artifical limbs and such. anything you risk by doing something else than what is considered safe or healthy, you either pay extra insurance or you pay the treatment if you need it.
as an example: i never started riding motorbikes, since i knew i would drive way too fast and would most likely end up hurt or dead. now if i had started and had an accident, i would find it extremely unfair if the health system would have to carry me.
also i could do with losing weight. am i really motivated? nah, my doc keeps telling me my test results are perfectly fine, so i put it off and enjoy life. would i have to pay extra health insurance, i'd prolly be tempted.
why do i pay for smokers, drinkers, druggies? why do i pay for those doing more sports than an average work out, like bungee jumping, kite surfing, ...?
people always want to be free and independent, there is a chance to act accordingly, to have less gov influence, less control over how their money is spent. pay up for your 'fun'. ;)
Thats the best argument for scrapping the national health service Ive heard :)
Thats the best argument for scrapping the national health service Ive heard :)
That and the filthy hospitals and long waiting lists. Private heathcare is the best present you can give yourself if you can afford it.
xcite-tv
12-04-05, 05:32 PM
That and the filthy hospitals and long waiting lists. Private heathcare is the best present you can give yourself if you can afford it.
I was luck to have private treatment for a major op in 99 via insurance
thank god as i could have keyhole surgery and not cut in two as i wouldn't be the same today if i had
and i can tell the kids they are bullet wounds
That and the filthy hospitals and long waiting lists. Private heathcare is the best present you can give yourself if you can afford it.
People need to start taking care of themselves and like HF says, if you smoke, drink and are high risk and always ill you will pay more. Where as if you take care of yourself and are not always ill, youll probably pay the same and have a much better leval of service.
As for affording it. Alot more people could afford it if we were given the option of opting out of the health service and that money we could put towards private health care. Just like the state pension.
That and the filthy hospitals and long waiting lists. Private heathcare is the best present you can give yourself if you can afford it.
Hrmmm ... dunno ... in my own recent experience of nhs care/treatment i cant give em anything other than a big fucking thumbs up. no shit.
if i had it my way, there'd be a strict insurance system, with little to no payment for the basic treatments
Interesting. How would you take contributions: on a progressive basis, i.e. percentage of earnings, or a flat rate deduction from salary?
Alot more people could afford it if we were given the option of opting out of the health service and that money we could put towards private health care. Just like the state pension.
Yeah! And look where opting out of SERPs has got a lot of people.
well he may as well have got down his local butchers the good it did him
i'm still waiting for this to go ahead properly: Pig transplants 'safe for humans' (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/424956.stm) & Cloned pigs raise transplant hopes (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2210306.stm)
bit of a hassle to those who have issues with pigs or even worse any form of transplants/transfusions like the JWs, but that's their tough luck i guess. i couldn't care less what sort of organ is working in me, if it saves my life.
Hrmmm ... dunno ... in my own recent experience of nhs care/treatment i cant give em anything other than a big fucking thumbs up. no shit.
Some of it is very good but across the country it’s very patchy. I just believe that if you have the means then you should pay and then perhaps the NHS could do a lot more for those who need it.
Interesting. How would you take contributions: on a progressive basis, i.e. percentage of earnings, or a flat rate deduction from salary?
progressive seems the fairest thing, with a cap of course. just because you earn millions you dont get much more ill than someone with an income just above middle class.
OTOH we need to make sure that those providing us with the necessities, like road work, cleaning our parks, dustmen just to name a few have full coverage for their health (within the mentioned limits of course) so the progressive basis makes sense there. have them pay less. of course if someone was bitchy one could read it as 'make sure your slaves stay healthy, they make your cotton farm work'.
progressive seems the fairest thing, with a cap of course. just because you earn millions you dont get much more ill than someone with an income just above middle class.
OTOH we need to make sure that those providing us with the necessities, like road work, cleaning our parks, dustmen just to name a few have full coverage for their health (within the mentioned limits of course) so the progressive basis makes sense there. have them pay less. of course if someone was bitchy one could read it as 'make sure your slaves stay healthy, they make your cotton farm work'.
IIRC smoking is more prevalent among lower income groups, like dustmen and roadsweepers. Given that they provide "the necessities", what price their cancer treatment?
IIRC smoking is more prevalent among lower income groups, like dustmen and roadsweepers. Given that they provide "the necessities", what price their cancer treatment?
If they smoke?
Nothing at all.
IIRC smoking is more prevalent among lower income groups, like dustmen and roadsweepers. Given that they provide "the necessities", what price their cancer treatment?
read the thread again, we already said smokers have to pay extra insurance. in this case it's pretty easy too, slap more taxes on tobacco to cover for a share at least.
compared to the rest of the EU the UK cig prices are horrendous already, doesn't keep people from smoking though, so some more won't hurt.
and if someone claims they don't smoke, they'll run into the problem that you can find traces of smoking in the body for years.
we are not going to solve this whole health system here you know, and if we are, i demand to become PM. :eyebrows:
read the thread again, we already said smokers have to pay extra insurance. in this case it's pretty easy too, slap more taxes on tobacco to cover for a share at least.
compared to the rest of the EU the UK cig prices are horrendous already, doesn't keep people from smoking though, so some more won't hurt.
and if someone claims they don't smoke, they'll run into the problem that you can find traces of smoking in the body for years.
we are not going to solve this whole health system here you know, and if we are, i demand to become PM. :eyebrows:
Like you say, smokers already do contribute vast sums to the Treasury, yet still around 25% of the population smoke. Given that they already make an additional contribution, would you charge them again for treatment (as your previous post suggests)?
And although you may find traces of smoking in the body for years, that doesn't necessarily mean that someone is a smoker. What's to stop them claiming that they're a victim of passive smoking?
I'm not at all sure how the health service's problems can be solved, but it's interesting to hear other people's take on the matter. One thing I am sure of though: nobody could make a bigger mess of our health service than successive governments over the last 30 years.
One thing I am sure of though: nobody could make a bigger mess of our health service than successive governments over the last 30 years.
Quite true and if the choice for higher income tax payers is to either opt out of the NHS of pay higher taxes so that it can be wasted I know which I will chose.
Like you say, smokers already do contribute vast sums to the Treasury, yet still around 25% of the population smoke. Given that they already make an additional contribution, would you charge them again for treatment (as your previous post suggests)?
absolutely. taxing tobacco higher could be one leg the system to pay for their treatment rests on. it's like any insurance system, many pay small amounts to pay for a few that need high payments covered. and seeing they can afford to smoke, they could also afford to pay for additional health care coverage, so no sympathy from me.
And although you may find traces of smoking in the body for years, that doesn't necessarily mean that someone is a smoker. What's to stop them claiming that they're a victim of passive smoking?
absolutely valid point, as i said previously, we are not going to solve the whole system in a thread here. i do believe though that passive smokers won't have that high of a concentration of the poisonous stuff in them. plus by having smokers pay extra health insurance, you have access to their kids' data, so you should be able to trace back if someone's parent was a smoker (tax evasion cases excluded, obviously :D) - or to approach it from a less privacy intruding angle, if you claim passive smoking, you will know where that happened, name those people and it can be checked if they really were smokers (again unless they evaded those extra payments).
jobs where you suffer passive smoking, think pub staff for example, of course need to get exemptions - seeing the current trend of disallowing smoking in public places, this issue might be in the past soon.
xcite-tv
12-04-05, 08:14 PM
i'm still waiting for this to go ahead properly: Pig transplants 'safe for humans' (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/424956.stm) & Cloned pigs raise transplant hopes (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2210306.stm)
bit of a hassle to those who have issues with pigs or even worse any form of transplants/transfusions like the JWs, but that's their tough luck i guess. i couldn't care less what sort of organ is working in me, if it saves my life.
That explains my first wife
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