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Jase
10-09-08, 12:41 PM
If I am using blog A, site B and forum C to generate good rich content which I then use to drive traffic to site D and increase my SE position but they are all hosted on the same IP address/server will the SE penalise me for this or will it not care?

I have lots of free resource on a box which I can set up multiple domains on but they will all have the same IP address - is it worth doing or do I need to be looking at a different IP/server for each domain ideally?
mOBSCENE
10-09-08, 12:51 PM
Re-ranking component 122 begins by identifying the documents in the initial set that have a hyperlink to document x. (Act 301). The set of documents that have such hyperlinks are denoted as B(y). Documents from the same host as document x tend to be similar to document x but often do not provide significant new information to the user. Accordingly, re-ranking component 124 removes documents from B(y) that have the same host as document x. (Act 302). More specifically, let IP3(x) denote the first three octets of the IP (Internet Protocol) address of document x (i.e., the IP subnet). If IP3(x)=IP3(y), document y is removed from B(y).

In a nutshell :)
Jase
10-09-08, 01:01 PM
Hmmmmm, all kinda makes sense but does this mean it would remove and disregards completely something on the same subnet or would it just give a lower score to it? Basically I need to host the feeder sites at a different datacentre to the main site to be safe then?
Scotty.T
10-09-08, 01:04 PM
I'm in no way an expert and I really don't know how much weight is given to different IP's in the algorithm but a lot of people have suggested it is preffered.

Just as many probably think that it is not required.

Ask your host if he can give you 4 new IP's on different Class C's. That's what the info mobscene posted seems to suggest as well, but I don't know where that came from :)
Pushcube
10-09-08, 01:05 PM
Depending on how you've set up the domains it won't matter too much/or not at all for 4 of them.

This :

blog.jase.com / www.site.com / forum.jase.com (IP 1) ----> www.siteD.com(IP 2)

Would be much better than :

www.jase.com/blog / www.site.com / www.jase.com/forum(IP 1) ----> www.siteD.com(IP 2)

For example. I'd always put Site D on it's own IP personally (if I was boosting for SE's etc).
mOBSCENE
10-09-08, 01:14 PM
I'm in no way an expert and I really don't know how much weight is given to different IP's in the algorithm but a lot of people have suggested it is preffered.

Just as many probably think that it is not required.

Ask your host if he can give you 4 new IP's on different Class C's. That's what the info mobscene posted seems to suggest as well, but I don't know where that came from :)


From Google's algorithm patent :)

No evidence therefore that they actually use any of it...

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6526440.html
Scotty.T
10-09-08, 01:20 PM
Yeah I just found it :) I'd only seen extracts before.
Damian
10-09-08, 02:33 PM
Yeah I just found it :) I'd only seen extracts before.

The patent office is a great resource.

It even has the plans you can see on how David Copperfield flies!
Geezer
10-09-08, 02:42 PM
The patent office is a great resource.

It even has the plans you can see on how David Copperfield flies!
Shuw us then
Damian
10-09-08, 02:49 PM
Shuw us then

it's all wires innit!
Damian
10-09-08, 02:50 PM
http://www.google.com/patents?id=k80eAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4&dq=5354238#PPP1,M1|US
Tigger
10-09-08, 06:23 PM
if G can see you are controlling the linking they will ban you - end off!

I would not have all the sites on the same server - in fact I would have all four sites on different servers so the IP is completely different - then build the links up slowly - after all its "supposed" to look natural
mOBSCENE
10-09-08, 07:28 PM
The patent office is a great resource.

It even has the plans you can see on how David Copperfield flies!

Did anyone see the "Electric water heating appliance made of chocolate" filed by someone called Adam in Leeds, Uk?
Scotty.T
10-09-08, 07:45 PM
if G can see you are controlling the linking they will ban you - end off!

I would not have all the sites on the same server - in fact I would have all four sites on different servers so the IP is completely different - then build the links up slowly - after all its "supposed" to look natural

Would you hide your Whois data as well?
TGITC
10-09-08, 07:52 PM
Shuw us then

Well, as you asked...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk2f55CcBD4&fmt=18

Love him or loath him...
He has the 'smug face' down to a tee ! :P
REBEL
10-09-08, 09:38 PM
Would you hide your Whois data as well?
No

Google has been a registered registrar for years. Which means it can see the real details if it needs to anyway. No point using hidden whois for SE purposes as far as I can see.

In fact unless you've only got a handful of domains, whois protection is a waste of money. You can get a decent mailing address cheaper than untold whois privacy packages. And then you also don't look like you're going to be a scammy link-trade or other biz partner either because you're in hiding before you even start.

For a lot of us the first thing we do is check whois. If there's privacy on it raises a red flag. It's not a good first impression.
Scotty.T
10-09-08, 10:56 PM
No

Google has been a registered registrar for years. Which means it can see the real details if it needs to anyway. No point using hidden whois for SE purposes as far as I can see.

Well that's why I was wondering to be honest because even on different servers or different IP's or different partial IP's, Google can see the registered owner of each domain if it wants. Just really depends if that is part of the algorithm as well.
mOBSCENE
10-09-08, 11:32 PM
The algorithm takes into account length of domain registration (it likes ones that are registered 10 years at a time), so am sure it has one eye on WHOIS data as well.

Question is, is it better to have, say, 250 domains all under whois privacy, 250 domains all under your own real details, or 250 domains all with :noway2: made up details?

I know the OP was a small number of sites/domains, but I imagine the more domains, the more significant this could become...

2003 was an interesting year for SEO.
Tigger
10-10-08, 07:56 AM
Would you hide your Whois data as well?

no just creative when setting the name up :oldman: