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dvtimes
10-04-08, 04:41 PM
Dispatches: The Hidden World of Lap Dancing
Monday 06 October
9:00pm - 10:00pm
Channel 4
The flagship current affairs programme investigates the growth of the sexual service industry, and the lap dance clubs that current UK licensing laws say only offer public, but not erotic, entertainment. As the Department of Culture, Media and Sport prepares to consult local authorities about the operation of licensing laws, the programme investigates how close to prostitution the business has become, and whether the growing protest movement against it can reverse the erotic entertainment boom.
adultbusiness
10-04-08, 05:11 PM
Another load of media bollocks.....
Who cares how close the business is to prostitution, if it realy is that close.
The escort services business is as close as you can get to prostitution so why pick on the lap dancing clubs.
Sound like a cheap way for the journos to get their rocks off.
redwhiteandblue
10-04-08, 06:08 PM
growing protest movement
What growing protest movement?
Who cares how close the business is to prostitution, if it realy is that close.
every punter should really.
it just never ceases to amaze me that a western society could have laws against prostitution. have regulations on where they condect business, fine, not every place needs street walkers, but for crying out loud do accept prostituion as a fact and register the girls like any other working adult, alone to make sure they are doing regular medical check ups. serves the girls and the punters in the end.
make them pay taxes and contribute towards a pension system as well, to give them a safety net when they wish to pull out, prostitution isn't normally a job you do up to your 60s. not with the same amount of success anyway.
every punter should really.
it just never ceases to amaze me that a western society could have laws against prostitution. have regulations on where they condect business, fine, not every place needs street walkers, but for crying out loud do accept prostituion as a fact and register the girls like any other working adult, alone to make sure they are doing regular medical check ups. serves the girls and the punters in the end.
make them pay taxes and contribute towards a pension system as well, to give them a safety net when they wish to pull out, prostitution isn't normally a job you do up to your 60s. not with the same amount of success anyway.
I agree because it is the punter that gets all the shit.
They should legalise prostitution seeing as MPS are legal and they have been fucking us for years, and we pay for the privilege!
I have pals that have both brothels and lapdancing clubs and they do look after the girls, regular check ups and sort nay problems with nuscience punters but try talking to the girls about pensions etc and they just don't listen.
They are a different set of girls that work the lapdancing clubs that work the brothels
I suppose they keep all the sad cunts off the streets and out of proper clubs
dvtimes
10-06-08, 09:03 PM
its on.
its on.
are you wanking yet? :blush:
dvtimes
10-06-08, 09:33 PM
i thought they were going to find that some were being protetutes on the side.
so far i hardly see there being a problem
dvtimes
10-06-08, 09:34 PM
can u see what they are going to want to do.
i bet next thing will be if u runa porn site it will be a £30k licence.
watch this space.
dvtimes
10-06-08, 09:36 PM
the thing is, u could apply such critisms to most things such as pubs, casinos, nightclubs, butchers, churches.
after all most of these will offend some people.
dvtimes
10-06-08, 09:38 PM
i'm also sure there must be rules about taking secret cameras in and filming the girls.
adultbusiness
10-06-08, 09:39 PM
i'm also sure there must be rules about taking secret cameras in and filming the girls.
Yes there is........ but if it means people think that having a dance also entitles you to a blowjob then bring it on....
dvtimes
10-06-08, 09:42 PM
Yes there is........ but if it means people think that having a dance also entitles you to a blowjob then bring it on....clearly those who own/run such clubs are vile peolple (according to the show).
do you know anyone who does? they should be clearly wiped till they bleed. filthy devils.
can u see what they are going to want to do.
i bet next thing will be if u runa porn site it will be a £30k licence.
watch this space.
The sooner the better :twocents:
they should be clearly wiped till they bleed.
not everyone has to use value loo rolls like you.
dvtimes
10-06-08, 09:45 PM
to be honest if i was one of those girls i would be mad as hell as surly its an invasion of privacy. many of these girls do it as they do not think they will be known.
Yes there is........ but if it means people think that having a dance also entitles you to a blowjob then bring it on....
Lol.
I bet you never thought Channel 4 would help increase your business?
Hopefully the increase in business from the free advertising for lapdancing clubs that the program brings might be enough for you to get the convertible Lambo.......
can u see what they are going to want to do.
i bet next thing will be if u runa porn site it will be a £30k licence.
watch this space.
I doubt that will ever happen.
dvtimes
10-06-08, 09:51 PM
Lol.
I bet you never thought Channel 4 would help increase your business?
Hopefully the increase in business from the free advertising for lapdancing clubs that the program brings might be enough for you to get the convertible Lambo.......or you will have a bunch of angry people stood outside wanting his death.
adultbusiness
10-06-08, 09:52 PM
Lol.
I bet you never thought Channel 4 would help increase your business?
Hopefully the increase in business from the free advertising for lapdancing clubs that the program brings might be enough for you to get the convertible Lambo.......
Oh, I've got enough for that already :character0079:
But these programmes always do the opposite of their intentions... like a documentary on swingers sites or dogging... everyone jumps online the minute they're over......
dvtimes
10-06-08, 09:54 PM
it reminds me of 1970's poloticts.
what do they want? the streets full of druged up prostetutes?
in any other country its not even an issue.
lets face it, ch4 or being two faced. if they were so offended how come they are showing the boobs and bits?
dvtimes
10-06-08, 10:00 PM
"the viewer is forced to view it"
i have a feeling thats why they went. not for the company.
The sooner the better :twocents:
I said something similar a few years back and many slammed the idea
can u see what they are going to want to do.
i bet next thing will be if u runa porn site it will be a £30k licence.
watch this space.
Rumour has it that Red Jerry has been working on it for months :noway2:
richardbra
10-10-08, 11:56 AM
but not one post has said that the prog represented what goes on clearly in these places.
do all the girls masturbate over punters or was the programe just showing the most extreme cases i actually thought it was just a naked dance with a small amount of contact like the odd body slide.
if the reported had touched the girl back i wonder if she would have stopped them.
and if the reporter had had more than one dance with the same girl would it have got more explicit.
adultbusiness
10-10-08, 12:12 PM
but not one post has said that the prog represented what goes on clearly in these places.
do all the girls masturbate over punters or was the programe just showing the most extreme cases i actually thought it was just a naked dance with a small amount of contact like the odd body slide.
if the reported had touched the girl back i wonder if she would have stopped them.
and if the reporter had had more than one dance with the same girl would it have got more explicit.
The guys are not allowed to touch the girls, that stands for the vast majority of the clubs. How close the girls gets differs greatly from standing strictly 3ft away or full body contact. As far as the girls touching themselves (explicity), thats pretty much up to the girl and is more common than not.
As far as the girls touching themselves (explicity), thats pretty much up to the girl and is more common than not.
Sluts
adultbusiness
10-10-08, 01:08 PM
Sluts
Yeah, I dunno how I sleep at night........
adultbusiness
10-10-08, 01:10 PM
Sluts are cool.
:)
Quite profitable too.....
Quite profitable too.....
Feel free to send one round here anytime.
:)
Quite profitable too.....
I bet it is, I've seen how the sluts get ripped off and exploited.
adultbusiness
10-10-08, 01:45 PM
I bet it is, I've seen how the sluts get ripped off and exploited.
You serious? Hard to tell with you........
You serious? Hard to tell with you........
Surely you are not going to say it doesn't happen?
adultbusiness
10-10-08, 04:18 PM
Surely you are not going to say it doesn't happen?
In my club, no..... and on the whole, the only people getting exploited are the guys who are enticed by the girls to spend money on dances in the same way porn sites generally exploit lonely guys who need a wank.... Most lapdancing clubs are run as smart businesses, nothing more or less. Everyone is there to make money, the owner AND the girls.
In my club, no..... and on the whole, the only people getting exploited are the guys who are enticed by the girls to spend money on dances in the same way porn sites generally exploit lonely guys who need a wank.... Most lapdancing clubs are run as smart businesses, nothing more or less. Everyone is there to make money, the owner AND the girls.
Yeah, I think you have said you don't vharge the girls who work in your club, I might be wrong.
I think those clubs that charge the girls before they have earnt anything are the ones who are exploiting/ripping them off. Its different if they charged the girls after they had earnt so much or charged a percentage of what they earn, but to charge them before they have done anything I think is out of order. I suppose the clubs that do this are the clubs who will take on any girl no matter what she looked like or how good she was. Like the old cab firms who would take on as many people as they could cos they would make more money from the rent.
adultbusiness
10-10-08, 05:50 PM
Yeah, I think you have said you don't vharge the girls who work in your club, I might be wrong.
I think those clubs that charge the girls before they have earnt anything are the ones who are exploiting/ripping them off. Its different if they charged the girls after they had earnt so much or charged a percentage of what they earn, but to charge them before they have done anything I think is out of order. I suppose the clubs that do this are the clubs who will take on any girl no matter what she looked like or how good she was. Like the old cab firms who would take on as many people as they could cos they would make more money from the rent.
No, you are wrog, we do charge a house fee as does every other club, it is standard practice. What we don't do is 'over book' dancers inorder to make maximum fees on the night. We make sure we have the right amount for any particular night as there is nothing worse than having 20 guys and 50 girls! Yes, some clubs do this and it's wrong I agree but it's generally the very big clubs that need to cover a big overhead before the doors open. But on the whole, the girls earn a lot of money and they ask us for shifts not the other way round. There is nothing exploitive about a dancer earning £800 for a nights work: dancing naked, being bought drinks and generally admired!
Surely a girl being paid a couple of hundred quid to be fucked by a dozen guys who finish off knocking one out over her face is a little bit more of an exploit wouldn't you think???
No, you are wrog, we do charge a house fee as does every other club, it is standard practice. What we don't do is 'over book' dancers inorder to make maximum fees on the night. We make sure we have the right amount for any particular night as there is nothing worse than having 20 guys and 50 girls! Yes, some clubs do this and it's wrong I agree but it's generally the very big clubs that need to cover a big overhead before the doors open. But on the whole, the girls earn a lot of money and they ask us for shifts not the other way round. There is nothing exploitive about a dancer earning £800 for a nights work: dancing naked, being bought drinks and generally admired!
Surely a girl being paid a couple of hundred quid to be fucked by a dozen guys who finish off knocking one out over her face is a little bit more of an exploit wouldn't you think???
I saw something about a girl who was earning no where near £800 per night, I think they actually said she could earn more at McDonalds.
Girls having to pay a fee is a joke as far as I'm concerned, but if there are girls who will pay then I suppose its them who are the mugs. Its a bit like webmasters paying TGP's to give them content.
Without the girls you would have no club, well you would have a club but you know what I mean. I suppose you will argue that without you the girls have nowhere to work. If all the girls refused to pay the house fee, very fucking hyperthetical I know but what would happen to all these clubs?
adultbusiness
10-10-08, 06:32 PM
I saw something about a girl who was earning no where near £800 per night, I think they actually said she could earn more at McDonalds.
Girls having to pay a fee is a joke as far as I'm concerned, but if there are girls who will pay then I suppose its them who are the mugs. Its a bit like webmasters paying TGP's to give them content.
Without the girls you would have no club, well you would have a club but you know what I mean. I suppose you will argue that without you the girls have nowhere to work. If all the girls refused to pay the house fee, very fucking hyperthetical I know but what would happen to all these clubs?
Very hyperthetical! Believe me when I tell you there are a whole lot more dancers (or wannabe dancers) than there are spaces for them.... we get emails all day long from girls who want to dance (wither for the first time or from other clubs etc). The house fee is just the way it is and accepted as an industry standard. Remember, the girls are paying, say, £50 for the right to dance at a club for approx 6 hours. They are simply 'renting space' in a place where they can earn between £200-£1000. For that £50 they are provided with clientele, security, a DJ, a staffed bar and an overall decent environment. They pay a commission too but that is only on what they actually earn that night. Without the house fee, there is no guarantee that they will make an effort, it is there as an incentive to 'perform' so to speak.
It is similar to buying traffic for your Website or a hairdresser paying a fee to work in a hairdressers (which is also very common)
Very hyperthetical! Believe me when I tell you there are a whole lot more dancers (or wannabe dancers) than there are spaces for them.... we get emails all day long from girls who want to dance (wither for the first time or from other clubs etc). The house fee is just the way it is and accepted as an industry standard. Remember, the girls are paying, say, £50 for the right to dance at a club for approx 6 hours. They are simply 'renting space' in a place where they can earn between £200-£1000. For that £50 they are provided with clientele, security, a DJ, a staffed bar and an overall decent environment. They pay a commission too but that is only on what they actually earn that night. Without the house fee, there is no guarantee that they will make an effort, it is there as an incentive to 'perform' so to speak.
It is similar to buying traffic for your Website or a hairdresser paying a fee to work in a hairdressers (which is also very common)
Yeah when you put it like that it seems pretty reasonable, how many charge just £50 though?
There must be a lot of clubs who charge more and employ more so the girls don't actually earn as much. Lets be honest as well, how many girls actually earn anywhere near £800 per night night after night?
adultbusiness
10-10-08, 09:53 PM
Yeah when you put it like that it seems pretty reasonable, how many charge just £50 though?
There must be a lot of clubs who charge more and employ more so the girls don't actually earn as much. Lets be honest as well, how many girls actually earn anywhere near £800 per night night after night?
Out of central London, £30-£50 is the norm and I would say earnings of £200-£400 are the average. Like any industry, there are bad apples but just like porn, the picture painted by the media isn't entirely the truth!
Out of central London, £30-£50 is the norm and I would say earnings of £200-£400 are the average. Like any industry, there are bad apples but just like porn, the picture painted by the media isn't entirely the truth!
Yeah of course, the programme I saw wasn't trying to knock lap dancing clubs, well I suppose it was but that wasn't what it was about, if you know what I mean.
Paul Markham
10-12-08, 08:24 AM
Think of all the things that are legal and the risks or dangers to society they bring.
Pub, Bars and and = Rowdy drunks, fights, vandalism, liver damage and drunken drivers.
Betting shops = People running up debts.
Football stadiums = Violence and crowds.
And I'm sure there are other things the Government accepts that we as adults can have and enjoy. While expecting us to exercise self control.
Sex is something we need to be regulated about and it will never change in the UK. So the people who run brothels, girls who work in the business and punters are criminalised and harassed. Leaving it open to criminals to operate and exploit.
The American Prohibition taught them nothing.
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