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I fucking hate clicking on someone's links only to be fucked off by having to look at pics of girls that look like they're 12.
I don't fucking care if it's legal.
I don't fucking care that they're over 18.
If they're specifically targeting a market looking for little girls like that then you fucking contributing to the problem.
Anyone who understands a little bit of sexual psychology knows it goes, fantasy to reinforcement to offence. They fantasise about little girls. The first step is then to reinforce the fantasy about little girls, before offending against little girls.
So regardless of the fact that these sites are still legal and using over 18 models they are still catering to a specific niche that will in many cases go on to offend eventually after reinforcing their fantasy with this type of site (trying to stay "legal" until their fantasy gets to the point where they have to offend by joining an illegal site or physically offend).
Don't kid yourselves that you're doing anything but reinforcing the fantasy of a paedophile because you're only promoting the sites using over 18 models. You're just catering to the first stage of the fantasy and reinforcement cycle.
Just to make it clear there's a major difference to the barely legal freshly 18 teen niche and the "little" girl teen niche where they're trying to make the 18 year old look as young as possible to cater to the burgeoning paedophile fantasist taking his first steps into his sickness.
DVT if you want to promote this crap at least don't put the fucking links in your sig so I stumple upon it unwares.
And if any of you take offence to me thinking you a budding paed for liking these sites. Then if the cap fits fucking wear it!! In my book there is NO EXCUSE for wanting to look at titless, hairless, figureless little girls like April, and Lupe.
I totally agree and I have had a few run-ins with wankers who produce this shit. I have seen girls worse than those mentioned above.
Like you say if you are making a girl look 14 then your target audience like to get off looking at 14 year old girls. Yes there is a difference between a 30 year old dressed as a schoolgirl and an 18 year old made to look like a 14 year old schoolgirl.
At the end of the day if you wank over girls who look 14 then its 14 year old girls who do it for you, simple as that and that makes you a fucking nonce.
I agree with you Rebel 100% but common sense doesn't always prevail and I think that is all it is with DVT, lack of common sense and the desire to make a few quid, quickly.
DVT I think you should pay closer attention to what you put in your blog and stop fuckin watching that Kyle bloke.
If they look younger than 18 don't use the images.You may get yourself into a shit load of trouble.
dvtimes
09-24-08, 09:18 PM
Hi
JJust read your posts.
Its an RSS feed.
To be honest I have just looked and they do not look under aged to me, nor are they.
I will have a look properly later and stop the RSS feeds to those two sites. But as I say in truth I did not look at the pics and think they look young.
I agree with you Rebel 100% but common sense doesn't always prevail and I think that is all it is with DVT, lack of common sense and the desire to make a few quid, quickly.
DVT I think you should pay closer attention to what you put in your blog and stop fuckin watching that Kyle bloke.
If they look younger than 18 don't use the images.You may get yourself into a shit load of trouble.
I have had a pop at a few produces and they come back with the same old bollocks about it being legal so nothing wrong...wankers
dvtimes
09-24-08, 09:21 PM
I just stik any old rss feeds in my blogs as long as they are legall.
to be honest i suspect that saying these pics will turn people into pedos is the same as saying girls posing with guns will turn people into killers.
I have had a pop at a few produces and they come back with the same old bollocks about it being legal so nothing wrong...wankers
Yea those type of producers are wankers, they don't have any common sense or morals they just want the money.
The downside is these sick fuckers get verbal from the like us and they go under ground cause they are shithouses.
I just stik any old rss feeds in my blogs as long as they are legall.
to be honest i suspect that saying these pics will turn people into pedos is the same as saying girls posing with guns will turn people into killers.
So you will promote anything as long as its legal, in fact you will put stuff on your blog and not even check to see what it is, fuck off.
You have given the bog standard reply to this sort of shit: "the girls are 18 and its legal", so what, it doesn't make it right and it is pandering to nonces.
People who are into girls with guns means they have a thing for girls and guns, if someone wanks themself off looking at a girl who is made to look 14 then they have a thing for underage girls... FACT!
dvtimes
09-24-08, 09:28 PM
But as Isay, I have not even considered that they look under age.
But I do think its rather silly to sugest such sites turn people into pedo's.
dvtimes
09-24-08, 09:30 PM
So you will promote anything as long as its legal, in fact you will put stuff on your blog and not even check to see what it is, fuck off.
You have given the bog standard reply to this sort of shit: "the girls are 18 and its legal", so what, it doesn't make it right and it is pandering to nonces.
People who are into girls with guns means they have a thing for girls and guns, if someone wanks themself off looking at a girl who is made to look 14 then they have a thing for underage girls... FACT!
Do you think they look 14? They do not to me.
Anyway I will pull the rss feeds.
I do not want to offend the conservative christians of you.
But as Isay, I have not even considered that they look under age.
But I do think its rather silly to sugest such sites turn people into pedo's.
We all know you are a bit of a divvy cunt and we also know you like to have a wind up. I just wonder which it is now, are you actually serious?
Can you not see that if you wank over girls who are made to look like and are presented as 14 then you are a nonce. Its a very small step from fantasing and then doing.
Some people might see a footfetish site and wank over that, then after a while they want to experience it rather than just look and wank. No problem they get a woman to let them suck their feet or wank them off with their feet. If you no longer get the same buzz from just looking at "14" year old girls, the next step is totally illegal.
dvtimes
09-24-08, 09:33 PM
We all know you are a bit of a divvy cunt and we also know you like to have a wind up. I just wonder which it is now, are you actually serious?
Can you not see that if you wank over girls who are made to look like and are presented as 14 then you are a nonce. Its a very small step from fantasing and then doing.
But as I say your the one who sees them as 14.
I know a lot of uni girls that dress like that and they are 18/19.
Do you think they look 14?
I never said I did
I am talking about other girls I have seen who are made to look 14 or younger, thats why I said: "I have seen girls worse than those mentioned above"
Do you think they look 14? They do not to me.
Anyway I will pull the rss feeds.
I do not want to offend the conservative christians of you.
Use what fuckin brain you have man and get the fuckin things off your blog and don't try be a smart cunt and take the piss when people are trying to point something out to you that could possibly be very damaging to you and your business.
Yes I thought she looked twelve. My first thought was what the fuck is he doing with child on his blog, before I looked closer and realised it was little lupe.
The pic is the first thing you see and then the "Cute Young Teen" title to the post. Most sponsors I know have a blacklist against using young and teen together because it exactly implies young teens (13 14) as opposed to old teens (18 19).
I don't care how old the girl is. She looks well under 18 and she's being promoted as a young teen girl. If you haven't got the brains to see exactly what type of audience that is catering to there's no helping you.
But I do think its rather silly to sugest such sites turn people into pedo's.
that would be silly indeed. who said that then?
dvtimes
09-24-08, 11:57 PM
ok. links removed (i think).
So you will promote anything as long as its legal, in fact you will put stuff on your blog and not even check to see what it is, fuck off.
I don't know the sponsor, but I put sponsors rss feeds in my blogs and dont check them every day, I have 100's of blogs using 100's of different feeds, if a sponsor put a girl in that looked under age it could be ages before I spoted it, if at all.
Out of interest DV, what sponsor was it? So I can check to see if I am using them.
Scotty.T
09-25-08, 09:10 AM
I don't know the sponsor, but I put sponsors rss feeds in my blogs and dont check them every day, I have 100's of blogs using 100's of different feeds, if a sponsor put a girl in that looked under age it could be ages before I spoted it, if at all.
Out of interest DV, what sponsor was it? So I can check to see if I am using them.
Teen Revenue.
That is one of the dangers of using RSS feeds and not checking content. Who knows what they are gonna put in there that could get you into bother.
There are sponsors out there that I am sure it is pretty safe to use stuff, but equally there are ones that could quite easily throw in some stuff that could get you in trouble.
Scotty.T
09-25-08, 09:16 AM
With the sites in question I would like to see how they would stand up in a UK court if they were brought to the attention of the prosecutors and labelled as psuedo CP.
I am pretty sure I read about new laws on this a while back, but I am not gonna start and stick that search term into Google. :)
I don't remember the April site launch but when Lupe was launched there were huge debates about her perceived age.
That is one of the dangers of using RSS feeds and not checking content..
One of the dangers of using any sponsor hosted tools, you link to a gallery or movie and it's changed or not ok in the first place, you could be up for the chop.
How many of us export 1000's of galleries at a time from sponsors and dont/cant check them.
Scotty.T
09-25-08, 09:55 AM
One of the dangers of using any sponsor hosted tools, you link to a gallery or movie and it's changed or not ok in the first place, you could be up for the chop.
How many of us export 1000's of galleries at a time from sponsors and dont/cant check them.
Yeah, exactly the same. And if you take the whole 'linking to' thing into the equation as well who knows what the sponsor has stuck up on their site that wasn't there before.
dvtimes
09-25-08, 09:57 AM
Teen Revenue.
That is one of the dangers of using RSS feeds and not checking content. Who knows what they are gonna put in there that could get you into bother.
There are sponsors out there that I am sure it is pretty safe to use stuff, but equally there are ones that could quite easily throw in some stuff that could get you in trouble.
yes it was that site.
mabe its with me being 18 and you lot 50's, so I do not see the shots to be honest anything but legal.
The thing is, they aint going to turn people into pedo's.
OK, you could say its providing content for that type of person, but lets face it if your into that stuff, you can pick up a kays cataloge and get pages of youngsters in underwear.
The danger is you can easily become net police and decide that unless a model is and looks 40 or older to be safe and that the pose is not in anyway offencive that its fine.
I mean this 'policing' is why we now have new laws on s&m and stuiff.
dvtimes
09-25-08, 10:00 AM
Lets also face it, you should ban this vid as its a girl who has been made to look 15.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bsniYwSaWg
dvtimes
09-25-08, 10:08 AM
But as I say, I looked at the pics and found them inicent.
But if you feel the need to censer content on the basis that there is a possibility that 1 in a million serfers may view the pics not as legal but illigall then thats fine.
but surly that argument could be applied to all. ie geezers glove site may attract killers who get turned on by gloves and kill women in gloves.
I say this not in jest, but the fact that I remeber there was a killer that had a shoe fetish not so long ago, so should you ban any shoe or fetish site in case there is a possibility that some nut may see it?
dvtimes
09-25-08, 10:11 AM
Anyway, I have a few things to do.
Be back later.
But are you realy saying these sites turn people pedos or that anyone who join is a pedo????
I doubt if anyone who joins would be a pedo.
strictlybroadband
09-25-08, 10:25 AM
Pathetic... with people like you lot in the industry, who needs the Daily Mail?
Lets also face it, you should ban this vid as its a girl who has been made to look 15.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bsniYwSaWg
I'm pretty sure she doesn't get naked and fuck herself in that video.
but surly that argument could be applied to all. ie geezers glove site may attract killers who get turned on by gloves and kill women in gloves.
What a fucking stupid argument
dvtimes
09-25-08, 10:43 AM
I'm pretty sure she doesn't get naked and fuck herself in that video.
she does in my mind.
Pathetic... with people like you lot in the industry, who needs the Daily Mail?
So you think its ok to make girls look 14 or younger and then show them naked or even fucking?
I wish I could find a link to a gallery I reviewed a couple of years ago of an Asian girl. She honestly looked about 12 without them trying. She was sucking cock and taking a portion in the front bum. If anyone thinks thats ok then they are a cunt.
So you think its ok to make girls look 14 or younger and then show them naked or even fucking?
I didn't see the links/posts and don't want to, but it is EXACTLY those type of sites that give the Daily Mail etc, the ammo to back up their arguments.
I'm amazed anyone would think these are good for the adult industry :twocents:
mOBSCENE
09-25-08, 10:52 AM
Even the mighty Google will not allow the words "teen" or "twink" on Adwords landing pages.
Strange how anything goes in their free SERPs
strictlybroadband
09-25-08, 10:53 AM
I wish I could find a link to a gallery I reviewed a couple of years ago of an Asian girl. She honestly looked about 12 without them trying. She was sucking cock and taking a portion in the front bum. If anyone thinks thats ok then they are a cunt.
It's either OK or it should be banned (i.e. shooting 18 year olds who look younger should be banned). I think the line is OK as it is.
A pedo is someone who likes children - that means kids who haven't yet hit puberty. The 18 age limit for performers is a conservative and sensible one. The line had to be drawn somewhere and that's where it's been drawn. many women are sexually active long before 18.
How many people here have the word "girl" on their site instead of "woman"? How many people use the word "teen" when that could mean anyone from 13 to 19? On SB we have a category called "18 and 19" to make it clear we're not featuring any teenager under 18.
I have much more problem with a 30 year old getting throat gagged and slapped around during sex, than seeing a young-looking 18 having sex and enjoying it.
It's either OK or it should be banned (i.e. shooting 18 year olds who look younger should be banned). I think the line is OK as it is.
So you are one of these people that think because its legal and not banned its ok?, there is also a difference between shooting an 18 year old and shooting an 18 year old and deliberately making her look younger and setting her in a "young" background.
A pedo is someone who likes children - that means kids who haven't yet hit puberty. The 18 age limit for performers is a conservative and sensible one. The line had to be drawn somewhere and that's where it's been drawn. many women are sexually active long before 18.
So a man who likes to have sex with 14 year old girls is a what?, and if a 12 year old has started pubity and a man has sex with her he is what?
You are right about lines being drawn and we all have to draw our own lines, one of mine is not to promote such shit.
How many people here have the word "girl" on their site instead of "woman"? How many people use the word "teen" when that could mean anyone from 13 to 19? On SB we have a category called "18 and 19" to make it clear we're not featuring any teenager under 18.
I think I would struggle to find where I have used the word girl and I never use the word teen. I will either use woman/women, babe/babes or just call them sluts or whores :P
mOBSCENE
09-25-08, 11:43 AM
I think I would struggle to find where I have used the word girl and I never use the word teen. I will either use woman/women, babe/babes or just call them sluts or whores :P
Feminist!
dvtimes
09-25-08, 12:17 PM
So you think its ok to make girls look 14 or younger and then show them naked or even fucking?
when have i ever done such shots?
when have i ever done such shots?
When did I say you did?
Don't try and be clever, it doesn't become you
dvtimes
09-25-08, 12:27 PM
So you think its ok to make girls look 14 or younger and then show them naked or even fucking?
also as i say, its not me who sees them as 14. when i promoted the sites they looked 18.
mabe its an age thing as with you being 65.
if i thought they looked 14, then i would not promote them.
to be honest when was the last time you saw a 14 year old dressed like that anyway. the 14 year olds near me are in mini skirts and such. well not all, the others are in smokes as they are pregnent.
my point is that (1) they look 18 to me. (2) i realy do not think a pedo would want pics of 18 years olds regardless how they dfressed.
but as i keep saying they looked 18 to me.
next you will say that if i dress the girls as zombies that will attract the necrofilia types. well it does not as i have never looked at a zombie pic and got yurned on by it before my lunch time visit to the local funeral directors to see what ladies they have on stand by.
dvtimes
09-25-08, 12:30 PM
I wish I could find a link to a gallery I reviewed a couple of years ago of an Asian girl. She honestly looked about 12 without them trying. She was sucking cock and taking a portion in the front bum. If anyone thinks thats ok then they are a cunt.
I know loads of girls that sare 18, but naturally look younger. Ishot one ages ago who had to always take ID to get sigs.
So are you now saying that no model 18 or older who naturally looks under 18 to some cannot do shoots? I do not remember that law being passed?
dvtimes
09-25-08, 12:32 PM
In fact I better stop being in shoots as I clearly look young. Its why I never drink, as no one would serve me in a pub.
But at least I get cheat train tickets being so young looking.
dvtimes
09-25-08, 12:40 PM
But it realy is a huge step to say that these sites attract or create pedo's.
I realy think before you state this you should provide evidence to support this rather than say, 'I do not like thus it should be baned'.
To be honest I am suprisded by some comments made.
You say this does not help the adult industry? Well what has been said is no different to the argument that 'porn leads to rape' argument.
As I say, I found the modes looked 18. I did not get turned on by them, but these days nothing much does.
But before you call for censership, I would say realy think hard about it.
Porn is fantasy.
The question is do people view such sites as cp or simply models looking cute.
As I say I see 18 year old all the time dressed in 'cute' outfits. Many who are slim do wear 14 year old cloths. In fact in the local Sainsburies you will often see monthers wearing there doughters cloths.
Plus if you go down this line, do you ban any model in a school girl outfit? I bet most solo girl sites will have a set of her in a school uniform. I think I have seen many who run sites post such sets on here.
example (http://blog.onlytease.com/only-tease-liana-in-a-schoolgirl-uniform/?id=768102)
dvtimes
09-25-08, 12:50 PM
In fact this is a huge jump to now go down the lines of censership.
Can somone post me a link of what I am now (under new rules) not allowed to post please, even though its legall.
Mabe, its simply that we are so used to the policical correct society we now feel the need to auto ban everything.
It reminds me only this week in the news, a pub in the UK had a bunch of bikers over. Some had traveled from other EU countries and were skin heads. Now a few years ago you would have seen skin heads and ignored them. But because it was a nice political correct area, all the residents were phoning the police and some moved out. One chap said "this should be made illigall". Yes Iknow some were sining Zil Heil, but they were singing to themselves.
In other EU countries goverments do not ban everything, so people are free to think.
Its just we now live in a coutry led by a staranistic goverment that bans everything as everything 'may' be a couse of somthing.
But as I say I foud the sets inicent.
But as I say mab its cos some of you are over 80 and see anyone under 30 too young.
DVT I dont what is worse, the fact that you are not using any common sense you may have or that you actually pass yourself off as an adult webmaster.
Any self respecting adult webmaster would look at those images and say
'I am not promoting that shit'.
To your credit you did take the feed down as soon as you saw this thread but you don't seem to have grasped the fact that that shit could get you into a lot of trouble.Rebel and Geezer are right, because the fact is that the sickos that watch that shit leads to some of them end up committing actual crimes.
Do yourself a favour and read up on it because as a so called adult webmaster you should at least know what is morally right and wrong to promote in this industry, let alone what is legal, because you just don't grasp that part.
dvtimes
09-25-08, 01:05 PM
Did they look 18 to you?
in truth one looks 19 and the other 18. sorry.
dvtimes
09-25-08, 01:07 PM
DVT I dont what is worse, the fact that you are not using any common sense you may have or that you actually pass yourself off as an adult webmaster.
Any self respecting adult webmaster would look at those images and say
'I am not promoting that shit'.
To your credit you did take the feed down as soon as you saw this thread but you don't seem to have grasped the fact that that shit could get you into a lot of trouble.Rebel and Geezer are right, because the fact is that the sickos that watch that shit leads to some of them end up committing actual crimes.
Do yourself a favour and read up on it because as a so called adult webmaster you should at least know what is morally right and wrong to promote in this industry, let alone what is legal, because you just don't grasp that part.???
why is it going to get me into truble. its illigall?????
i have removed the links anyway from my blog.
???
why is it going to get me into truble. its illigall?????
i have removed the links anyway from my blog.
One way you could get into trouble is if the old bill come and take all your stuff and nick you. It may well be legal but it could set off some alarm bells. Like I said I am talking about some sites I have seen where the girls are made to look 14 and they do look 14
If you have no problem then why remove them?
If I promote something I do so because I am happy to do it, if anyone told me I was wrong I would tell them to fuck off and mind their own buisness.
The thing I find most bizare about this thread is, that you think they are fine, yet you are taking down the links.
If they were on my sites and I thought they were fine, I wouldn't take them down
mOBSCENE
09-25-08, 02:03 PM
TBH I think DVT is just playing Devil's advocate - this passing himself off as a clueless loon has us all fooled :)
dvtimes
09-25-08, 02:04 PM
i took them down as some of you moaned.
i could not care eather way so i pulled them.
its like when one of you said i wore too much denim, i no longer wear a denim jacket - althoughts its hung up and i stroke it when i get withrrawl symptoms.
dvtimes
09-25-08, 02:05 PM
TBH I think DVT is just playing Devil's advocate - this passing himself off as a clueless loon has us all fooled :)
i am newtrull in this. i do not care eather way, so yes your probably correct that i am playing devils advicate.
mOBSCENE
09-25-08, 03:02 PM
i took them down as some of you moaned.
i could not care eather way so i pulled them.
its like when one of you said i wore too much denim, i no longer wear a denim jacket - althoughts its hung up and i stroke it when i get withrrawl symptoms.
If I moan a bit more about vanbabes.com will you get rid of the damn thing? :)
i am newtrull in this. i do not care eather way, so yes your probably correct that i am playing devils advicate.
Not a topic to play devils advocate in my opinion.
And it is a very good question asked by Geezer and JT, any answer?
Willie_Ekkerslike
09-25-08, 03:56 PM
If I moan a bit more about vanbabes.com will you get rid of the damn thing? :)
If that works, can you then moan about "DVT"?
What astounds me is you can look at the little lupe site and say she looks 18. I am sorry but no one looking at that site could ever "think" that girl is 18. Yes I can accept she is 18 as I too looked 12 at 18, but there's not a chance in hell she looks 18 any more than I did, you're deluding yourself.
adultbusiness
09-25-08, 05:10 PM
What astounds me is you can look at the little lupe site and say she looks 18. I am sorry but no one looking at that site could ever "think" that girl is 18. Yes I can accept she is 18 as I too looked 12 at 18, but there's not a chance in hell she looks 18 any more than I did, you're deluding yourself.
I took a look at that site with a 'WTF' look on my face.... she looks/acts/dresses FAR too young for my liking.......
I took a look at that site with a 'WTF' look on my face.... she looks/acts/dresses FAR too young for my liking.......
Precisely. This isn't about moralising about the general teen 18+ niche. It's about pseudo-child porn and the exact type of person that attracts and encourages.
I stand by my comment that people who don't find them disturbing or indeed join them are themselves very disturbing.
In the UK there are laws against "pseudo child porn".
As with all uk porn law its not exactly clear but I think you could maybe get done for this if you're pushing little lupe type stuff
mOBSCENE
09-25-08, 06:32 PM
In the UK there are laws against "pseudo child porn".
As with all uk porn law its not exactly clear but I think you could maybe get done for this if you're pushing little lupe type stuff
The wording is "pseudo photograph" and was brought in stop pervs photochopping faces on to adult bodies, and using the fact that photos were computer generated etc as a defence.
Then again, if a cartoon can be illegal... Interesting.
Still, I would think the various police squads sadly have enough on their plates dealing with the real stuff, to go after sites where the model can actually be proven to be 18 (whatever the moral view on how she's dressed etc)
But it realy is a huge step to say that these sites attract or create pedo's.
who said sites create a pedo? please link to that very post or shut the fuck up.
smoothballs
09-25-08, 09:15 PM
One of my first TGP.s was a submittal TGP, and manually checked submissions, used to get get a few the looked too dodgy to me, the pic may of been legal but the descriptions sometimes didn't imply that, I would delete them even if the pic looked dodgy but was legal, that is why all my TGP's are fakes, no submittals,much rather have that control over them, and if a sponsor changed their images different to what you thumbed in the first place
then it won't be long till they are out of business!
Also the problem of mass thumbing via a script if you don't always read the descriptions (if you import sponsors descriptions) even though the pic looks fine,could be a few hundred to view and maybe one or two you missed can slip thru the net! just my 2 pennies
NumptyNuts
09-28-08, 11:43 AM
Yes I thought she looked twelve. My first thought was what the fuck is he doing with child on his blog, before I looked closer and realised it was little lupe.
The pic is the first thing you see and then the "Cute Young Teen" title to the post. Most sponsors I know have a blacklist against using young and teen together because it exactly implies young teens (13 14) as opposed to old teens (18 19).
I don't care how old the girl is. She looks well under 18 and she's being promoted as a young teen girl. If you haven't got the brains to see exactly what type of audience that is catering to there's no helping you.
seeing how you feel so strongly about this sort of thing - may I ask do you promote any teen sites on the web?
On another note just to add to the debate is it not better for a guy to join Little Lupe site and be given this option as apposed to joining a site that really does exploit children?
Before you pipe up at me I personally think Litle Lupe is a joke, I dont list sites submitted to me with her on them. She came up on a feed I had and I removed her.
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