View Full Version : Child killer McCain a coward too?
Cherry7
09-13-08, 11:23 PM
I have always thought the pilots that fought in the Battle of Britain were brave, they were outnumbered and faced a skilled and experience enemy.
True also for solders fighting the Germans on both fronts.
But when I saw the film "Zulu" I only thought the Zulus were brave, attacking machine guns with spears. I thought the British cowards and murderers.
In war if you have technological superiority, how brave is it to kill the enemy with little risk to ones owns self?
Like the German tanks attacking the Polish cavalry, or the Europeans gunning down the Native Americans.
These are the acts of cowards.
Vietnam is another case, America had technological superiority over the "Gooks" and killed without much risk to themselves. Also where as a Vietnamese prisoner of the Americans would be killed without thought, American prisoners were kept alive to go on to run for President.
So not only was McCain a person who though it was OK to bomb civilians, Vietnamese Men Women and children, he was a coward as well.
Child murdering coward for president anyone?
http://www.aolcdn.com/aolportal/napalm-vietnam-pulitzer-550.jpg
McCain and buddies at work...
http://vinpon.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/windowslivewritersomeofthemostpowerfulimagesfromar oundthe-1266a000795-windowslivewritersomeofthemos2.jpg
How the Vietnamese POWs were treated...
dvtimes
09-13-08, 11:35 PM
why are u bothered anyway?
is cinemaerotique.com your site by the way?
Im so glad this has become a political board... All that webmaster stuff was getting really boring.. :twocents:
http://vinpon.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/windowslivewritersomeofthemostpowerfulimagesfromar oundthe-1266a000795-windowslivewritersomeofthemos2.jpg
How the Vietnamese POWs were treated...
if anyone still was wondering if you really were a clueless idiot, you managed to remove all doubt now. :D
Cherry7
09-14-08, 12:06 AM
if anyone still was wondering if you really were a clueless idiot, you managed to remove all doubt now. :D
No, the idea is that you make an argument for or against, if you just come out with childish insults it makes you look stupid. Try books and thinking .
No, the idea is that you make an argument for or against
ok. you are wrong, as with every statement you made on this topic before, just a wee bit more than usual, which is an accomplishment of some sort.
if you just come out with childish insults
there was no insult, merely a fact stated.
it makes you look stupid.
i rather look it than be it like you. :D
Try books and thinking .
how about you practice what you preach, child?
now how about you explain to us who the people on that picture are and what happened?
obviously you will again not answer a single question, as all you can do is repeat brainless propaganda from some left extremist pamphlet, but then you might surprise us for once. go ahead.
Cherry7
09-14-08, 12:22 AM
now how about you explain to us who the people on that picture are and what happened?
1st picture ..children running from village after American napalm attact.
2nd picture, Vietnamese prisoner executed in street by Saigon Police Chief.
Calling something right-wing or left-wing propaganda is not an argument, it is just name calling. It is not proof that it is false, just a call for people to ignore that argument because it comes the "wrong" source. Try considering ideas on their own merits? I hope this helps you on your first small steps to having a coherient discussion.
1st picture ..children running from village after American napalm attact.
so where is McCain in that picture?
2nd picture, Vietnamese prisoner executed in street by Saigon Police Chief.
so it is not a prisoner of war anymore? have you googled it? :D
name both people, explain why the execution took place.
Calling something right-wing or left-wing propaganda is not an argument, it is just name calling.
you are an idiot, that's a fact, not name calling.
left wing propaganda is left wing propaganda, not name calling. it's also not an argument, you are correct in that tiny bit. but then it was never meant to be an argument, merely stating where you got the bits from you mistake for information and knowledge.
It is not proof that it is false, just a call for people to ignore that argument because it comes the "wrong" source.
you truly are an idiot.
Try considering ideas on their own merits?
try having some, present them and i will give it a shot. going by your rate so far, you'll hardly make me busy in the next 50 years though.
I hope this helps you on your first small steps to having a coherient discussion.
the most important step to you and me having a discussion is you bringing something of substance to the table. so far all you post is rubbish that would be debunked by a 1st grader. but what to expect from someone who gains their history knowledge from movies.
gives one a good chuckle though.
you also serve as a brilliant argument why universal suffrage is not the best idea. idiots like you get a say in who runs a community.
Cherry7
09-14-08, 12:38 AM
so where is McCain in that picture?
You have to look up, he is in the plane above.
Still no arguments? just name calling. I am disappointed.
You have to look up, he is in the plane above.
Still no arguments? just name calling. I am disappointed.
still no answers, i am right, again. but then how could you, what with no brains and no education.
run along child, play in the middle of the M1, do yourself and us a favour.
dvtimes
09-14-08, 12:50 AM
Best thing to do is not vote for McCain.
If it helps I will not be voting for McCain.
Hope that makes u hoppy.
Oh my giddy aunt.
I will tell Geezer you are still alive :)
more family photos Cherry7 !!!
we've got all these any chance you can post some new ones
Cherry7
09-14-08, 10:36 AM
more family photos Cherry7 !!!
we've got all these any chance you can post some new ones
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa144/Primate_bucket/WaterTorture.jpg
Water torture being used by US soldiers in Vietnam...now called "waterboarding" by US and UK troops in Iraq and around the world.
You are a seriously boring cunt, who is gonna convert no-one to your way of 'thinking'. Have a shit day :)
Cherry7
09-14-08, 11:08 AM
I would like to thank all that posted ...not making any points against but just venting their frustration and swearing...I has helped keep this thread alive and help me reach many readers...
Thank you again!
lol helped you reach many readers?
views: 125
Probably the same 8 people as well.
I love waterboarding, got a new board yesterday
more photos muppet
>> I has helped keep this thread alive and help me reach many readers
you sad fool
I love waterboarding, got a new board yesterday
more photos muppet
>> I has helped keep this thread alive and help me reach many readers
you sad fool
fascist pig :geek:
I love waterboarding, got a new board yesterday
I agree waterboarding is great. Can't quite see how to do it in Iraq though!
Too many mines and gunships etc.
But when I saw the film "Zulu" I only thought the Zulus were brave, attacking machine guns with spears. I thought the British cowards and murderers.
There was no machine guns in the film "zulu" and in the film "zulu" the Zulu's also had guns, as if you would have seen the film "zulu" with your eyes open, you would have seen them shooting with them.
There was no machine guns in the film "zulu" and in the film "zulu" the Zulu's also had guns, as if you would have seen the film "zulu" with your eyes open, you would have seen them shooting with them.
Dem pesky Zulu's and wasn't Michael Caine brill.
btw did they partake in waterboarding at Rorkes Drift?
http://www.rorkesdriftvc.com/
Disappointed !
I read through this whole thread hoping to see a picture of Sarah Palin as I think she's fook'in hot ;)
Never mind I'll go Google one & maybe post it later if I can be arsed.
mOBSCENE
09-14-08, 11:57 AM
There was no machine guns in the film "zulu" and in the film "zulu" the Zulu's also had guns, as if you would have seen the film "zulu" with your eyes open, you would have seen them shooting with them.
"Zulus, fousands of 'em, don't shoot until you see the whites of their eyes!"
They would have won if they'd kept their eyes shut :noway2:
http://img.hexus.net/v2/lifestyle/pressreleases/paramount/zulu.jpg
(Sarah Palin)
http://img.hexus.net/v2/lifestyle/pressreleases/paramount/zulu.jpg
(Sarah Palin)
Lieutenant John Chard: The army doesn't like more than one disaster in a day.
Bromhead: Looks bad in the newspapers and upsets civilians at their breakfast.
Disappointed !
I read through this whole thread hoping to see a picture of Sarah Palin as I think she's fook'in hot ;)
Never mind I'll go Google one & maybe post it later if I can be arsed.
Here ya go!
I agree waterboarding is great. Can't quite see how to do it in Iraq though!
Too many mines and gunships etc.
easy you get one of those kiddies that Cherrytwat likes post and send them out first - you get the best of both worlds - hopefully see a firework display & get to surf afterwards :cheer:
Here ya go!
:noway2: you can see why shes giving head - Oops I mean getting ahead :cheer:
onlytease
09-14-08, 01:47 PM
cherry you are getting very boring with your posts. can you not just go and troll on another board pls
cherry you are getting very boring with your posts. can you not just go and troll on another board pls
He / She already DOES troll other boards. Pop over to the self abuse board to see the EXACT same thread started, with the exact same pics... Yawn............
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa144/Primate_bucket/WaterTorture.jpg
Water torture being used by US soldiers in Vietnam...now called "waterboarding" by US and UK troops in Iraq and around the world.
http://s1.directupload.net/images/080914/6qj4dy7m.jpg
not making any points against
against what, you clueless arse. you haven't presented a single original thought, let alone any arguments.
Bernice
09-14-08, 07:23 PM
Hmmmm - the first pic was of an American fuck up of them dropping Napalm short of the target. The girl in the forground naked was badly burnt but was assisted by the photographer who took that pic. The photo was one of those shocking pics of war - theres one that makes my heart bleed of a child during the Nanking Massacre shortly before WW2. That sort of stuff happens in wars - its sad and shocking. A better reason for not having wars I cant imagine.
But dont from that assume only the Americans committed attrocities - that would be very naive.
The second picture - well that was snapped during the Tet offensive - I qoute here from Wiki to save my finfers
"Nguyen Van Lem was captured by South Vietnamese national police, who identified him as the captain of a Viet Cong assassination and revenge platoon, and accused him of murdering the families of police officers. He was brought before Brigadier General Nguyen Ngoc Loan, the chief of the national police, who briefly questioned him. General Nguyen then drew his sidearm and shot the prisoner. Nguyen's motives may have been personal; he had been told by a subordinate that the suspect had killed a police major who was one of Nguyen's closest friends, and the major's family as well."
Dont get pissy about war and assume just cos one side has a technical edge it makes them safe. There are plenty of dead Americans in Vietnam.
Zulu - your comments are laughable. Before the engagement at Rorkes Drift which the film Zulu depcted the same Zulus in the morning had annihlated a British regiemt at the Battle of Isandlwana. Not very convincing is it that the Zulus took a pasting just because the British detachment had guns. They did have guns - so did the Zulus, they also happend to be outnumbered - there were approximately 140 soldiers of the 24th foot facing 4,000 - 5,000 Zulus.
I dont know about you but facing 5,000 Zulus armed only with rather primitive rifles seems to be to be something pretty hairy and hardly a 'safe' thing to do.
Rather than splurt mindless propaganda and being a pawn of war yourself you really should READ some history and get a perspective.
Is that an 'educated' enough reply for you ?
onlytease
09-14-08, 08:15 PM
Hmmmm - the first pic was of an American fuck up of them dropping Napalm short of the target. The girl in the forground naked was badly burnt but was assisted by the photographer who took that pic. The photo was one of those shocking pics of war - theres one that makes my heart bleed of a child during the Nanking Massacre shortly before WW2. That sort of stuff happens in wars - its sad and shocking. A better reason for not having wars I cant imagine.
But dont from that assume only the Americans committed attrocities - that would be very naive.
The second picture - well that was snapped during the Tet offensive - I qoute here from Wiki to save my finfers
"Nguyen Van Lem was captured by South Vietnamese national police, who identified him as the captain of a Viet Cong assassination and revenge platoon, and accused him of murdering the families of police officers. He was brought before Brigadier General Nguyen Ngoc Loan, the chief of the national police, who briefly questioned him. General Nguyen then drew his sidearm and shot the prisoner. Nguyen's motives may have been personal; he had been told by a subordinate that the suspect had killed a police major who was one of Nguyen's closest friends, and the major's family as well."
Dont get pissy about war and assume just cos one side has a technical edge it makes them safe. There are plenty of dead Americans in Vietnam.
Zulu - your comments are laughable. Before the engagement at Rorkes Drift which the film Zulu depcted the same Zulus in the morning had annihlated a British regiemt at the Battle of Isandlwana. Not very convincing is it that the Zulus took a pasting just because the British detachment had guns. They did have guns - so did the Zulus, they also happend to be outnumbered - there were approximately 140 soldiers of the 24th foot facing 4,000 - 5,000 Zulus.
I dont know about you but facing 5,000 Zulus armed only with rather primitive rifles seems to be to be something pretty hairy and hardly a 'safe' thing to do.
Rather than splurt mindless propaganda and being a pawn of war yourself you really should READ some history and get a perspective.
Is that an 'educated' enough reply for you ?
very educated reply, however, i fear reasoned and educated don't really work with cherrry.
Cherry7
09-14-08, 08:59 PM
War is bad and there are two sides....
Except the Vietnam war was started by the Americans, by invading Vietnam.
The Vietnamese had no choice, they had been fighting the French Colonalists, then the Japanese (As our allies , Ho Chi Min had contact with the Americans and wanted their support ) and then with the French again. The Americans helped finance the war and then took over the war until they were defeated.
Although 58,000 Americans were killed in the war (mostly the poor and black -as the white middle classes found ways of avoiding the "honour" of dying for the flag.) The war resulted in 6 million Vietnamese Laotians and Cambodians deaths from the most intense bombing campaign, the use of agent orange and the prolonging of civil war between the remnants of the French Colonial regime and the Vietnamese Nationalists.
To equate the 2 sides is false...the Vietnamese could not leave their country. When the US pulled out peace came.
dvtimes
09-14-08, 09:06 PM
War is bad. Just look at the damage that the Sith did to planets. In some cases blowing up planets.
But at least things turned out ok.
Bernice
09-14-08, 09:47 PM
"War is bad and there are two sides...."
No shit - did you read a book to know that ?
"Except the Vietnam war was started by the Americans, by invading Vietnam."
Ummm well not exactly - I could give you a history lesson on it and why the Americans were there - it was, I fear, quite complicated and I think trying to teach somone with your limited grasp of things might be 'A Bridge Too Far' - that was a dreadful war film by the way. Dreadful war too realy - the most devatataing in human history with over 70 million dead - I suppose youd say 'eeewww yuk' to that. Its a bit more personal to me.
Vietnam is one of the most confused and contended conflicts of the 20th century and virtually all historians disagree about everything except dates. Even classic set piece battles like Long Tan ( Australian 6th RAR versus VC 275th regiment - tactical victory for the aussies) are being rewritten. To those who read history this is a natural enough thing. Time lends a certain ability to get some perspective. Rather then me typing a lot of stuff I'd suggest you read some books on it - Eyewitness Vietnam' if its still available is a good starter text as it gives ground level personal accounts from combatants on both sides and interviews with people afterwards. Interestingly the ex VC were rather more generous to the Americans than you might imagine. It was the book that got me interested.
You might also like 'Vietnam - The 10 Critical Battles' which charts the war from Dien Bien Phu when the French were finally beaten through to the American pull out and gives some views of the complexity of the war. Finally - its a bloody heavy read but I'd suggest 'The Last Valley' which is about the French at the time of Dien Bien Phu and the politics of why the French lost it and why the Americans in the end felt they should step in. I'd also recommend Norman Schwartzkopfs biography 'It Doesnt Take a Hero' for his candid comments on Vietnam from an American viewpoint - its not exactly an unbiased text but it does give valuable insights into American doctrine.
wertham
09-14-08, 10:01 PM
Is that an 'educated' enough reply for you ?
Holy crap! :noway2:
You really know your stuff. People like you should be running the government. That way, we could avoid get ourselves into any more "untenable situations" in places where we don't belong. (Which sorta describes my Saturday Night.)
Still, you have to admit that - unlike the Iraq whatever-the-hell-it-is (because you can't have a war unless there's some other army to fight, after all), the Vietnam Deal didn't cost half a trillion.
Although, adjusted for inflation...
Cherry7
09-14-08, 10:06 PM
The point about war being bad was in reply to another post... You have to read the whole thread to make sense.
Why the Americans were there is to do with their role as dominant economic power and the policing of independent nationalism. This is called Imperialism.
History of battles misses the point completely. THE AMERICANS HAD NO RIGHT TO BE THERE !
5 million people died because of US aggression.
You can say that the 2WW was complicated and confused too, and we can read all about the battles... and we can say the bad things were done on both sides, and mistakes made....
But the GERMANS WERE WRONG !
Like we are wrong in Iraq and the Americans in their history of wars in other countries since WW2
wertham
09-14-08, 10:08 PM
I'd also recommend Norman Schwartzkopfs biography 'It Doesnt Take a Hero' for his candid comments on Vietnam from an American viewpoint - its not exactly an unbiased text but it does give valuable insights into American doctrine.
Just don't ask Sarah Palin what that doctrine is, because you might make her brain hurt.
As for Vietnam, you could just say that the Yanks were obligated by the terms of SEATO to be there... but they were content to use the CIA (as they did in Iran) to wage secret wars, assassinate politicians, rig elections, etc. (You know. The usual Bush League shenanigans.) Then came the big blowback in the 1960s... which sounds like the title of a movie I would like to see, at any rate.
Except the Vietnam war was started by the Americans
The Americans helped finance the war and then took over the war until they were defeated.
so what is it now you clueless cunt? did they start the war or did they engage in an already running conflict?
you are so uneducated on the matter, you contradict yourself within one post. hilarious.
You have to read the whole thread to make sense.
as long as you post in a thread, sense doesn't really stand a chance.
wertham
09-14-08, 10:21 PM
The point about war being bad was in reply to another post... You have to read the whole thread to make sense.
Surely you must understand that the Yanks are in the war BUSINESS, right?
:catfight:
It drives their economy. That's all it is. Even the dumbest redneck in Alabama or the most retarded cracker in Mississippi gits it. That's why they do the "crazy" shit they do... because some well-connected wankers who spent a bundle on lobbyists are getting stinkin' rich at taxpayers' expense.
And, strangely, none of them actually give a flying fuck about the good ol' US of A. Ever heard of Haliburton? Guess who owns a shitload of shares in that company. If you said Dick Cheney, you win a cigar.
And that's why McSame is gonna win this election by a landslide... and why the rest of the world is going to be totally fucked as a result... because the Yanks are always looking for new wars. Only the next one will certainly involve nukes... which even the most apathetic motherfucker on the planet is bound to notice,
I've already voted for Obama, but I know with absolute certainty that he can't win because the Military -Industrial Complex has America by the balls and this election is totally rigged. Besides that, Jerry already told me that the Yanks would never elect a guy with a middle name like "Hussein." :innocent0001:
adultbusiness
09-14-08, 10:25 PM
Interesting article....... (http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN1342809320080914)
So, build up a phoney threat then sell shit loads of weapons to everybody to protect themselves..... brilliant!
I've seen some car crash threads and posters before. But good god, this is great.
I didn't bother reading any of this thread to be honest, mainly cos the starter is such a fucking idiot. I have posted a couple of links though cos it seems he/she thinks its ok for one and not another.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Berlin_in_World_War_II
wertham
09-14-08, 11:49 PM
I've seen some car crash threads and posters before. But good god, this is great.
To be honest, man... I really didn't think you were interested in the political stuff. That being the case, why even bother to read it?
dvtimes
09-14-08, 11:52 PM
willy and tits and ladies front bottoms
wertham
09-14-08, 11:58 PM
Interesting article....... (http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN1342809320080914)
So, build up a phoney threat then sell shit loads of weapons to everybody to protect themselves..... brilliant!
That's the key to the Bush Doctrine. All you have to do is say: "I have a gut feeling that you're going to be a threat to us some day, so we''ll just bomb the shit outta ya now and git it over with. Oh, and BTW, we'll arm your enemies to the teeth and they can have at you whenever it suits them." (Which is precisely how Iraq acquired its vast military might back in the 1980s, thanks to that idiot Reagan.) The Yanks tried the same thing in Vietnam back in the 1950s, but it went "South" on them real fast. They are, after all, the Merchants of Death. It is perfectly fair to blame the Americans for arming the world - which is already hellbent on destroying itself anyway, so no biggie.
To be honest, man... I really didn't think you were interested in the political stuff. That being the case, why even bother to read it?
a) you don't know me at all, so why think I wouldn't be interested on something political, and why challenge me on posting on the thread?
b) I read most of the threads
c) This one amused me because of the car crash nature of it
d) I thought you'd fucked off from here?
ajaxjones
09-15-08, 01:42 AM
But when I saw the film "Zulu" I only thought the Zulus were brave, attacking machine guns with spears. I thought the British cowards and murderers.
I used to get bored in History class too and prefer a good film instead. However I do have to say that in that film the Zulu's actually sang a song to the British at the end as they thought the British were brave. So I have to say that here you are in disagreement with the Zulu's who were actually there. Although I am not sure Michael Caine really was there.
:rambo:
Although 58,000 Americans were killed in the war (mostly the poor and black -as the white middle classes found ways of avoiding the "honour" of dying for the flag.)
New thread needed to dscuss this outrage that only the US did in vietnam. How dare a country send in the poor BLACK people instead of the middle classes, especially WHITE middle classes! You cunts do love a racist stirring pot don't you? Any other minorities you want to speak on behalf of?
Those disabled cunts got away with not fighting though didn't they? And I bet they never did a days work in their life, not only did they put fuck all into the system, they took a fuckload out. Poncing cunts, all of 'em.
Anyone fancy a pint?
Yea,Which boozer and when?
Cherry7
09-15-08, 09:24 AM
That's the key to the Bush Doctrine. All you have to do is say: "I have a gut feeling that you're going to be a threat to us some day, so we''ll just bomb the shit outta ya now and git it over with. Oh, and BTW, we'll arm your enemies to the teeth and they can have at you whenever it suits them." (Which is precisely how Iraq acquired its vast military might back in the 1980s, thanks to that idiot Reagan.) The Yanks tried the same thing in Vietnam back in the 1950s, but it went "South" on them real fast. They are, after all, the Merchants of Death. It is perfectly fair to blame the Americans for arming the world - which is already hellbent on destroying itself anyway, so no biggie.
I agree with your analysis but not your pesimisim, Millions of people around the world struggle for peace and justice.
Cherry7
09-15-08, 09:27 AM
I used to get bored in History class too and prefer a good film instead. However I do have to say that in that film the Zulu's actually sang a song to the British at the end as they thought the British were brave. So I have to say that here you are in disagreement with the Zulu's who were actually there. Although I am not sure Michael Caine really was there.
:rambo:
Was this the song they sang? Translated from the Zulu
Please stay in our land
Please steal all our goods
Please rape our women
Please enslave us
Whatever you do don't leave !
You are so brave your should have our country.
We were the best thing that ever happened to the zulus. Fact.
Bernice
09-15-08, 08:40 PM
Oh dear - Cherry my darling you really do have little grasp of realpolitik and why wars get fought.
Vietnam - well you have to remember as I said that not every Vietnamese were on the side of the VC - witness the boat people - bit before your time I;d imagine when thousands of them had to sneak out in small boats to escape the VC.
A lot of South Vietnemese fought very hard ( and bravely despite what Hollywood may suggest ) to keep their country free of the VC because oddly enough they didnt fancy living under a Communist system. Would you suggest we should have saud 'Yuk Fu' to the Koreans and let them all get massacred in the Korean war on the basis of 'well ist not our country so we dont have a right to be there' I think not.
How about WW2 - should we have said 'Hey Herr Hitler - do as you please mate because none of its our business - its only a bunch of Polacks and Frogs and Yids getting the chop'
I rather suspect Cherry you would have been part of the British Anti-War movement which too a rather self wimpy view of 'PLEASE LEAVE US OUT OF IT - DO AS YOU PLEASE BUT LET ME CARRY ON' Itand in fact the loud shouting of the liberal pacifist elite did in fact sway the government of the day not to put the boot in on the Nazis early on when we might have got away with a short punch up - as it turned out we let it ride and ended up with the most destructive war in human history. Thats what pacifism of the Western style actually did for us.
Cherry7
09-15-08, 11:23 PM
Oh dear - Cherry my darling you really do have little grasp of realpolitik and why wars get fought.
Vietnam - well you have to remember as I said that not every Vietnamese were on the side of the VC - witness the boat people - bit before your time I;d imagine when thousands of them had to sneak out in small boats to escape the VC.
A lot of South Vietnemese fought very hard ( and bravely despite what Hollywood may suggest ) to keep their country free of the VC because oddly enough they didnt fancy living under a Communist system. Would you suggest we should have saud 'Yuk Fu' to the Koreans and let them all get massacred in the Korean war on the basis of 'well ist not our country so we dont have a right to be there' I think not.
How about WW2 - should we have said 'Hey Herr Hitler - do as you please mate because none of its our business - its only a bunch of Polacks and Frogs and Yids getting the chop'
I rather suspect Cherry you would have been part of the British Anti-War movement which too a rather self wimpy view of 'PLEASE LEAVE US OUT OF IT - DO AS YOU PLEASE BUT LET ME CARRY ON' Itand in fact the loud shouting of the liberal pacifist elite did in fact sway the government of the day not to put the boot in on the Nazis early on when we might have got away with a short punch up - as it turned out we let it ride and ended up with the most destructive war in human history. Thats what pacifism of the Western style actually did for us.
Yes some Vietnamese did support the French colonalists who occupied their country. Their are always people who will fight or support an occupying power. The Imperialist power will quite often support a minority that feels threatened, like the Catholics in Vietnam. But the majority of Vietnamese supports the communist / nationalists in trying to liberate their country from first the french and then the US.
Most people of poor countries want to move to richer ones, also after a civil war a lot will have found themselves on the losing side. It is no surprise that lots can be found to want to move to a richer country. Millions of Poles have come to this country when capitalism took over. Are they running away from Polish capitalism?
If you want to know want what I think about the 2nd WW just ask. Don't tell me what I think.
The ruling classes in this country did everything NOT to fight with Hitler and the fascists, did not help the Spanish Republic when attacked and bombed dy the Germans and Italians. Then gave Czechoslovia to the Germans. And when Poland was attacked DID NOTHING to help.
The left in this country led the fight against fascism, even volenteering in the International Brigades.
The left also fights against the occupation of other countries like Iraq.
The right, read the newspapers where we are told that if you put on a uniform you can kill and torture for your queen and country...
And as we see in this thread have no arguments at all except childish abuse.
The pacifists in this country did help in the 2nd WW by doing some of the most dangerous jobs in the fire and rescue services.
The reluctance to fight in the 2nd WW amongst working class people is to be understood after the way are betters had us slaughtered in the 1st WW.
Serious question, do you own cinemaerotique or are they paying you to come here and promote whatever it is they do?
Just curious.
dvtimes
09-15-08, 11:45 PM
Serious question, do you own cinemaerotique or are they paying you to come here and promote whatever it is they do?
Just curious.
i asked that but got no reply.
its a great site but i just think this person is trying to put affiliates off from promoting the site.
NoRotRuby
09-16-08, 05:42 AM
So Cherry......what exactly are you then? Surely not American??!! *scoffs*
or ARE you? :eek:
Cherry7
09-16-08, 12:35 PM
Serious question, do you own cinemaerotique or are they paying you to come here and promote whatever it is they do?
Just curious.
Cinema Erotique is my site.
Yes some Vietnamese did support the French colonalists who occupied their country. Their are always people who will fight or support an occupying power. The Imperialist power will quite often support a minority that feels threatened, like the Catholics in Vietnam. But the majority of Vietnamese supports the communist / nationalists in trying to liberate their country from first the french and then the US.
Most people of poor countries want to move to richer ones, also after a civil war a lot will have found themselves on the losing side. It is no surprise that lots can be found to want to move to a richer country. Millions of Poles have come to this country when capitalism took over. Are they running away from Polish capitalism?
If you want to know want what I think about the 2nd WW just ask. Don't tell me what I think.
The ruling classes in this country did everything NOT to fight with Hitler and the fascists, did not help the Spanish Republic when attacked and bombed dy the Germans and Italians. Then gave Czechoslovia to the Germans. And when Poland was attacked DID NOTHING to help.
The left in this country led the fight against fascism, even volenteering in the International Brigades.
The left also fights against the occupation of other countries like Iraq.
The right, read the newspapers where we are told that if you put on a uniform you can kill and torture for your queen and country...
And as we see in this thread have no arguments at all except childish abuse.
The pacifists in this country did help in the 2nd WW by doing some of the most dangerous jobs in the fire and rescue services.
The reluctance to fight in the 2nd WW amongst working class people is to be understood after the way are betters had us slaughtered in the 1st WW.
hijacked your own thread. this is getting better with every post of yours. :D
Cinema Erotique is my site.
Ah right. Makes sense. I mean, to employ someone who posts like you do to promote your site would have been astounding.
At least you are digging your own grave.
This thread is like an episode of The Word.
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