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dvtimes
11-29-05, 02:36 PM
Update: On my speed fine
I posted a month or so about driving at 1.30am, and I got flashed.
Well I got a letter and it states I was doing 38 in a 30 zone. So I wrote back explains that I have no criminal record, except for 3 points when I was about 22 for running a red light (it had a camera on it).
I pointed out it was 1.30am and as such the bright flash I considered dangerous.
I received a letter saying that they believe a crime had been committed and I had to pay the fine in full or I could go to court.
I wrote back and said that my grandparents went to war to keep England a fair and free country. As such I shall go to court. I shall face death before I pat 1p of this fine. Furthermore I consider this chap and anyone connected to speed cameras a trater to England. A traitor to all those who fort in wars to keep England free and safe.
I demanded that the following is also sent to me:
A photograph of the incident
A certificate of calibration
plus a few other bits I found to ask for from a web site
I pointed out that I consider 3 points to be a criminal record and as such I shall go to court.
I pointed out that if I stole a car and ran over a child, I would receive a lesser punishment.
So far no reply.
Someone told me that they probably will not respond as it will be too much hassle, and that they probably have not got a calibration certificate.
But I shall insist on them taking me to court. Not my problem if they have not done there job correct.
Evidence even shows in some places they are creating accidents, as people are slamming on breaks and other running into them.
In fact in Ilkly they have 3 in a row. So if you come home at 2am (for instance) and do not see them. You can hit all 3, that's £180 fine and 9 points. For some this could mean there licence too. Which may mean there job.
I have prepared a 5 hour speech for my court case, and it will probably go on longer.
Your friend is wrong. They always prosecute. Its all a system, there is no one sitting in the office thinking that cant be bothered. you'll go to court. You'll loose. The fine will be bigger. Plus you will pay court costs :) After waisting 5 hours of the judges time he should be pissed of enough to throw the book at you.
You're waisting time and money which could be put to better use in the criminal system. Stop being a wally and just pay the fine.
You're waisting time and money which could be put to better use in the criminal system. Stop being a wally and just pay the fine.
Dont spoil our fun. I want people to start protesting, "save the Leeds one"
Besides wont cost the criminal system much as when hes lost he will have to pay for court costs plus solicitors bills. Plus he'll get a bigger fine :)
dvtimes
11-29-05, 02:58 PM
Your friend is wrong. They always prosecute. Its all a system, there is no one sitting in the office thinking that cant be bothered. you'll go to court. You'll loose. The fine will be bigger. Plus you will pay court costs :) After waisting 5 hours of the judges time he should be pissed of enough to throw the book at you.
They have to provide (by law) a certificate of calibration (this must by law been done each day (but its often not dne) plus about 4 other documents. I heard about this by a barister on talk sport one night. Without these, they have no evidence. They have to prove the camera was working 100% correct at the time.
If I do loose (and thats presuming they can get hold of all the documents) then I will simply offer to pay 50p a month.
If I had hit it at 50mph in a 30mph zone then I could understand.
But I need to be convinced I did break the law.
Do not forget that your speed ometer is not correct.
Just because it says your doing 40mph, does not mean you are. Your true speed could be 45mph or 35mph. If you use a salalight navigation machine it should show you your true speed and compaire that to your speedometer.
So I need to be conviced that I was doing 38mph as they claim. Which means I need to see a certificate for that day.
After all, they are claiming I did a crime.
If I acused you of a crime, you would want to see evidence of it.
dvtimes
11-29-05, 03:06 PM
You're waisting time and money which could be put to better use in the criminal system. Stop being a wally and just pay the fine.
I understand what your saying. But it was not my choosing to install a camera, and do fine me. I have the right to trial as I would with any other crime.
My grandparents brought me up, and this is exatcly what my grandad would have done. In truth if I did roll over and pay the fine, I would feel I betrade him. This I could not.
Personaly I feel its wrong that I could go out, get a licence, then be able to clamp and toe away your car, then ask for £400 fine from you. Yet this is the law and people have alowed it.
In france the day they brought out clamping, everybody went out and vandalised the claps. Two days later they no longer had clamping.
The truble with the UK is we alow crap to happen.
I disagree with speed cameras unless outside schools, or places where they are needed.
I do not belive I comited a crime. To me 3 points is a criminal record.
The way I see it, is that I do porn. As such I am a target for police or whoever who do not like porn. as such I belive its important to be cleener than clean. So I intend never to have any form of record, even a driving one.
dvtimes
11-29-05, 03:07 PM
Dont spoil our fun. I want people to start protesting, "save the Leeds one"
Besides wont cost the criminal system much as when hes lost he will have to pay for court costs plus solicitors bills. Plus he'll get a bigger fine :)
I shall defend myself.
But first they need to send me the papers of evidence.
I shall defend myself.
But first they need to send me the papers of evidence.
you'll have to pay their solicitor bills not your own, you goon.
Plus after you have stood up for 5 hours talking, at say £100 an hour, that should work out nicely. :cheers2:
If I do loose (and thats presuming they can get hold of all the documents) then I will simply offer to pay 50p a month.
You can simply offer what you want, but they take based on your earnings. Providing your not just on the dole and do earn something from porn too, it will be more than 50p a week. Then when you dont pay that you'll go back to court and the whole process will start again.
Eventually youll be sitting on a milk crate in your front room. :crown:
Just a word of advice. On the traitor thing. Make sure you call the judge a Traitor too. They love all that :)
I want people to start protesting, "save the Leeds one"
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Elisha Jade
11-29-05, 03:31 PM
lol
both the bf and our mate got caught this year, 3 points £60 fine. the bf was doing 82 in a 70 on a dual carridgeway and our mate was doing 43 in a 30.
Thing is, i see doing 82 in a 70 a lot less dangerous than 43 in a 30 where theres likely to be kids and what not. Doesnt make sense to me.
pay the fine, otherwise don't they charge u court expenses if you lose?
pay the fine, otherwise don't they charge u court expenses if you lose?
A higher fine, the postal fine is just a fine you you plead guilty by post, then add court and solicitors fees to :eyebrows:
Pay your fine and move on. Life is too short.
Pay your fine and move on. Life is too short.
Before or after calling the judge a traitor? :crown:
I thought speed cameras had a +5mph tolerance so in theory you could get away with doing 35mph on a camera set for 30mph zone, I'm sure there was uproar about this when it became public knowledge. Dude you got clocked at 38mph and chances are you were doing at least 40mph ? bring me the black cap. I've got no time for sssssmucks that break the law then start squealing like a pig when they get caught LMAO (Take him down)
bring me the black cap. I've got no time for sssssmucks that break the law then start squealing like a pig when they get caught LMAO (Take him down)
tar and feathering isnt good enough imho :onguard:
Before or after calling the judge a traitor? :crown:
Before, then crook your little finger and call him weasle dick. :eyebrows:
mellenig
11-29-05, 03:57 PM
you'll have to pay their solicitor bills not your own, you goon.
Plus after you have stood up for 5 hours talking, at say £100 an hour, that should work out nicely. :cheers2:
:lmao2: best thread of the week :crown:
can we organise a B&B outing to leeds to watch?????
Tetleys Bitter in Leeds is still one of the best pints around.... and after say 8 of those, we can wander into the courthouse to hear the judge talking bollocks to our dear Dvtimes........
A themed outing... beer and bollocks... what could be nicer????
if you decide not to defend yourself and find someone else to do it,
I am sure this chap would be perfect....
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In france the day they brought out clamping, everybody went out and vandalised the claps. Two days later they no longer had clamping.
The truble with the UK is we alow crap to happen.
I actually agree with DV on this......... we do allow all this crap to happen..... we're a nation of wimps...... give the french their due, anything they dont like they bring the country to a halt... so the politicians do take notice.... even on speed cameras over there... they have them, but they can only do 'le roast beef' cars on their way to/from the ports.....
Us Brits on the otherhand wave nicely at the froggie cars and lorrys ignoring our cameras and do their own people.....
btw.... our great legislators are trying to do me for having an untaxed car.... which hasnt moved for 18 months, which is on my driveway, which is up a private road and 400 yards from the nearest public road......now suggestions on how i can not appear a wimp over this most wellcomed!!!
can we organise a B&B outing to leeds to watch?????
Tetleys Bitter in Leeds is still one of the best pints around.... and after say 8 of those, we can wander into the courthouse to hear the judge talking bollocks to our dear Dvtimes........
A themed outing... beer and bollocks... what could be nicer????
yes and from the dock, all pissed up, dressed like clowns we can chant "Traitor!, Traitor!, Traitor!....."
yes and from the dock, all pissed up, dressed like clowns we can chant "Traitor!, Traitor!, Traitor!....."
Think we'd have problems getting in dressed as clown..... but we could smuggle in face paint..... :-)
our cameras and do their own people.....
btw.... our great legislators are trying to do me for having an untaxed car.... which hasnt moved for 18 months, which is on my driveway, which is up a private road and 400 yards from the nearest public road......now suggestions on how i can not appear a wimp over this most wellcomed!!!
Hope they lock you up........Tax dogger :ninja:
xcite-tv
11-29-05, 05:12 PM
Your friend is wrong. They always prosecute. Its all a system, there is no one sitting in the office thinking that cant be bothered. you'll go to court. You'll loose. The fine will be bigger. Plus you will pay court costs :) After waisting 5 hours of the judges time he should be pissed of enough to throw the book at you.
He's Right you know....your :atm:
xcite-tv
11-29-05, 05:15 PM
Think we'd have problems getting in dressed as clown..... but we could smuggle in face paint..... :-)
No you can go to court dressed however you want
Someone once went to Old Baily dressed as a clown#
I say lets all go...
dvtimes
11-29-05, 05:30 PM
I actually agree with DV on this......... we do allow all this crap to happen..... we're a nation of wimps...... give the french their due, anything they dont like they bring the country to a halt... so the politicians do take notice.... even on speed cameras over there... they have them, but they can only do 'le roast beef' cars on their way to/from the ports.....
Us Brits on the otherhand wave nicely at the froggie cars and lorrys ignoring our cameras and do their own people.....
btw.... our great legislators are trying to do me for having an untaxed car.... which hasnt moved for 18 months, which is on my driveway, which is up a private road and 400 yards from the nearest public road......now suggestions on how i can not appear a wimp over this most wellcomed!!!Did you fill in the papers to say its off road?
I have an old micra which I am fixing, but as it cannot move it cannot get a mot.
Its on my land.
I had some birk policman reprt the car, so I got a £25 fine.
I wrote back pointing out that the car is still insured and its odd road, and I filed in the paperwork to say its off road.
I also said if they checked there records they will see I have had the car since new (well it was my nans to start with), and I have paid the road fund licence on it since we first got it (its a D reg so thats a few years).
I also pointed out that I have an Addi, which is also fully mot'ed and taxed and insured.
I also said a £25 fine was a joke, as no wonder people do not bother to get a road fund licence as it was cheaper to pay a £25 fine each year than £90 for the micra (or whatever it is).
They sent me a letter saying the car was ok where it was, which I keep in case I get the same problems again.
Again, a lot of people would not bother and just pay the fine.
People think that I act like an old man, writting letters all the time and my letters of complaint, but you would be amazed at the results you get.
I think most firms get away with murder simply because they do not expect people to do anything. People artomaticly just because somone has arthoraty or is involved with a big firm that thay are right.
My uncle does the mistake of phoning up and shouting, but as I keep telling him, all he is doing is shouting at some 19 year old who does not care less. A letter has more power.
We get shit on by firms all the time because we do nothing.
Sure some may think I am being pety and its easer just to pay the fine. But thats not me. If more people complained and refused to put up with crap, things would be better.
I listen to American tourists. They tell me they would never put up with the junk we do.
I remember one American who told me, she went to several dentists in the UK, and just walked out becouse she thought the conditions were terrible. Yet we put up with low standered, even told that we should be gratfull, and made to feel guilty if we complain.
Its a bit like the NHS. We are told that we shoul;d shut up and consider ourselves gratfull of the conditions. Hang on, it aint free, I pay for this!!!
dvtimes
11-29-05, 05:36 PM
To be honest I will be anoyed if I get charged court costs, as I will refuse to pay them.
Thats not justice, iits scaring people off from pleading inicent.
If I stole lots of cars, robed a few old ladies, sold drugs, and went to court. I do not belive they would send me a bill if I was found guilty.
So why should I pay court costs for this.
No wonder people pay fines as they are too scared to go to court. Man, now I am angry and more tetermined to fight this.
dvtimes
11-29-05, 05:44 PM
I was watching the daily polotics the other day, and one polotition said he congratulated anyone who went to prison as "its harder to get into prison than university these days".
Which again is my point. If you park your car without realing in a clamping zone you could end up paying out £400 fine, or if you drive in an area that you do not know, you could speed without realising ang get a £60 fine plus 3 points (which may mean paying even more on your insurance).
Yet, I steal a car, mug somone, rob from your house, punch you in the face, and get charged and convicted for all, Iwould probably get a comunity service.
Not only is it unfaire, but it makes people angry at the legal system.
To be honest I will be anoyed if I get charged court costs, as I will refuse to pay them.
then thell have you back in court for none payment :)
Eventually after the larger fine, new court costs, the prosecutions solicitors costs, the new none payment costs, then you get into collection costs.
This is where it really gets fun.
a man comes round your house, takes all your grundig stereo system and your Black and white binatone TV plus all your other wordly possetions. He then sells the whole lot for £50......Then comes the ironic bit, his fee for doing that is £100. So after him selling everything you own you are £50 down on the day :)
So youll have the new larger fine, the court costs, the prosecutions fees, the new none payment court costs, plus the balif new costs......Dont forget the interest :cheers2:
If I was you I would just spend £150 and get GPS camera detector then you won't have to worry about the stupid fucking things!
If I was you I would just spend £150 and get GPS camera detector then you won't have to worry about the stupid fucking things!
theres not enough space to install one on a sinclair c5
dvtimes
11-29-05, 07:25 PM
Let me see if they respond to my last letter asking for the evidense I asked for.
On the last letter, they did not metion court costs.
With luck they will not have bothered with the calibration and the otther bits. Plus I asked for.
If they provide me what I asked for then I may pay the fine. But I will mess them about as long as I can.
I though may have had a responce by now. They respoded quickly to my first one.
I have been listening to James Whale on talk sport whpo has the same problem.
What he is saying is that he was sharing the travel with his wife and he wants a pic so he can see who is driving the car at the time (very clever as the pics will probably be from the rear of the car).
dvtimes
11-29-05, 07:26 PM
If I was you I would just spend £150 and get GPS camera detector then you won't have to worry about the stupid fucking things!
I simply drive now £30mph on all roads except motoways.
No problem then.
What he is saying is that he was sharing the travel with his wife and he wants a pic so he can see who is driving the car at the time (very clever as the pics will probably be from the rear of the car).
Its a shit idea. Because its an offence not to tell them who is driving the car.....I give you one guess what the penalty is?
"failing to furnish details" = fine £100 + costs + 3 points. :cheers2:
dvtimes
11-29-05, 07:31 PM
Its a shit idea. Because its an offence not to tell them who is driving the car.....I give you one guess what the penalty is?
"failing to furnish details" = fine £100 + costs + 3 points.
No.
What he is saying is that he was driving home late at night from wales. Every 30 mins they changed seats and did the driving.
As such he has admited to both driving but not sure who it was at the time.
As such he could be telling fibs if he says it was him and vise vera.
I pointed out it was 1.30am and as such the bright flash I considered dangerous.
i'm way too drunk to even bother with the whole post or thread, but with that argument alone you should be tared and feathered. so fucking what, a fucking bright light, fucking stay within the fucking speed limit and there is no fucking light. that isn't a fucking photo box for your fucking convenince, it's to fucking record you fucking breaking the fucking law. :knob:
you should be held responsible to pay every fiucking penny you cause in this case, not just court costs.
daveydude
11-30-05, 12:29 PM
If you park your car without realing in a clamping zone you could end up paying out £400 fine, or if you drive in an area that you do not know, you could speed without realising ang get a £60 fine plus 3 points (which may mean paying even more on your insurance).
What's the £400 for? Where I live now the clamp release fee is £30.
Saying you're speeding without realising is no defense - when you pass your driving test it implies you have knowledge of the highway code including all national speed limits. If you want to stay within the law, in town you drive at 30 unless signs say otherwise, and on open A/B roads you do 60 unless signs say otherwise. I really don't see how you can fuck that up in a country with standardised speed limits.
Fluffy Wee Cunt
11-30-05, 12:36 PM
I was watching the daily polotics the other day, and one polotition said he congratulated anyone who went to prison as "its harder to get into prison than university these days".
Which again is my point. If you park your car without realing in a clamping zone you could end up paying out £400 fine, or if you drive in an area that you do not know, you could speed without realising ang get a £60 fine plus 3 points (which may mean paying even more on your insurance).
Yet, I steal a car, mug somone, rob from your house, punch you in the face, and get charged and convicted for all, Iwould probably get a comunity service.
Not only is it unfaire, but it makes people angry at the legal system.
If driving in an area one doesn't know, doesn't make lookig out for sign posts make sense? It appears to me those funny signs announceing the current speed limits on the road one is on, should they differ from the national speed limits of course, are a rather common thing?
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