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psl
08-20-08, 07:34 AM
Interesting.......

One of the UK’s top ISPs is preparing to launch an unlimited music service that would see it pay record labels for songs illegally downloaded by its customers, paidContent:UK can reveal.

Playlouder MSP (music service provider), which first tried the model for itself back in 2003, said it will facilitate the service for the broadband operator, starting early next year. Co-founder Paul Sanders would not name the ISP, but a source last month told paidContent:UK Virgin Media (NSDQ: VMED) was holding some kind of talks with the vendor.

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Now that the biggest six ISPs have pledged to reduce illegal downloading on their networks, they need commercial alternatives that will prove similarly enticing - and subscriptions offering tunes-on-tap are emerging as the front runner for consumers already plucking free music from the “celestial jukebox”.

Playlouder’s service lets users legitimately download from channels like Gnutella, BitTorrent and more - the list goes on - because the “deep packet inspection” technology, installed on the broadband infrastructure, recognises every song downloaded over the ISP network, no matter which protocol, and reimburses rightsholders accordingly. Subscribers to the music package will even be allowed to share tunes amongst themselves because every transfer is anonymously tracked using Audible (NSDQ: ADBL) Magic, but proliferation to non-subscribers will be blocked.

The effective legitimisation of P2P channels many consider “illegal” could be a watershed - but depends on whether the ISPs can convince customers to pay a monthly fee for unlimited access they’re already getting gratis. The thousands of warning letters they’ve pledged to send may help shepherd freeloaders away from free, creating new markets. Recent research showed 95 percent of UK consumers copy music and last week’s study showing the scale of Radiohead BitTorrents suggested many listeners are loathe to use official legal channels, so a framework that extracts money from P2P, without weening users off their favourite habit, could be a winner.


more....

http://www.paidcontent.co.uk/entry/419-isps-new-music-service-will-pay-labels-for-illegal-downloads/

Article by By Robert Andrews

mysatin
08-20-08, 09:20 AM
because the “deep packet inspection” technology, installed on the broadband infrastructure, recognises every song downloaded over the ISP network, no matter which protocol, and ....

Deep packet inspection is a slippery slope I think.

I suspect most ISPs already use it to prioitise traffic, but it is effectively your ISP snooping on all of your internet traffic. The difference here is that they are modifying your traffic request to go to a different P2P tracker/server. Think how you would like your ISP to modify you other internet requests by a.) modifying HTTP responses to insert popup ads into every page (already happening in US/Canada) b.) Changing your DNS requests to return a different IP than expected (already happened from NetworkSolutions)

It turns the ISP from a company providing an internet connection to a company providing content.

The irony is that ISPs are trying to charge their customers for this when secretly they have been trying to do this for a long time - if they have the ability to cache P2P requests/responses inside their networks they will save a *huge* amount on bandwidth bills - more than enough to fund a scheme like this


:twocents:

psl
08-20-08, 12:21 PM
I think this system would be good for the adult industry.

strictlybroadband
08-20-08, 02:40 PM
I think this system would be good for the adult industry.

It would be fantastic for producers/content owners.

But if it's widely adopted, it's the end of the pay site.

psl
08-20-08, 02:50 PM
It would be fantastic for producers/content owners.

But if it's widely adopted, it's the end of the pay site.


I doubt it would be because the content is already out there and if it was going to end the pay site business model it would have done so by now.

strictlybroadband
08-20-08, 02:57 PM
I doubt it would be because the content is already out there and if it was going to end the pay site business model it would have done so by now.

Yes but... if this system was in place, the studios will simply upload their content to file sharing sites and know they're going to get paid eventually. A studio's web site would just say "Visit Rapidshare to download our latest movies..."

Why bother running pay sites or giving your content to VoD sites when 99% of your income will come from the ISPs anyway? Already I reckon 99% of porn downloads are free ones.

psl
08-20-08, 03:09 PM
Yes but... if this system was in place, the studios will simply upload their content to file sharing sites and know they're going to get paid eventually. A studio's web site would just say "Visit Rapidshare to download our latest movies..."

Why bother running pay sites or giving your content to VoD sites when 99% of your income will come from the ISPs anyway? Already I reckon 99% of porn downloads are free ones.


Don't confuse this with an income replacement option for content producers it is a royalty collection scheme lets say, at best the content owners/producers getting cents on the dollar rather than dollars per downloader.
And one of the main points about this scheme is to reduce the amount of people visiting p2p file sharing sites to get stolen content.

-HF
08-20-08, 05:10 PM
Deep packet inspection is a slippery slope I think.

I suspect most ISPs already use it to prioitise traffic, but it is effectively your ISP snooping on all of your internet traffic.

which is exactly what the EU wants to introduce (http://www.beerandbollocks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18945). so all is well.

psl
08-20-08, 05:13 PM
which is exactly what the EU wants to introduce (http://www.beerandbollocks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18945). so all is well.

Yes all IS well

strictlybroadband
08-20-08, 05:18 PM
Yes all IS well

That's nice.

-HF
08-20-08, 05:19 PM
That's nice.

surely if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear, right?

psl
08-20-08, 05:20 PM
That's nice.

Very nice, thanks.

strictlybroadband
08-20-08, 05:30 PM
surely if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear, right?

No smoke without fire.

psl
08-20-08, 06:44 PM
No smoke without fire.


I thought you of all people would be behind something like this?Less illegal downloads more spent legally, well in theory anyway.