View Full Version : Giving away a totally free paysite trial
onlytease
06-12-08, 09:14 PM
Just been looking at Mac & Bumble, and they are giving away a totally free trial to their site, simply by giving your email address.
http://www.macandbumble.com/sites/new_email/?ref=206546
I tried it and works perfect, could browse the whole site, download a vid, view the pics etc. Only works for one session, and prob has a timeout on it.
Now do you lot think its a good selling point? I can see benefits if you have the good depth of content
Interested to hear other viewpoints?
I think that looks like a good idea and Mac & Bumble have been doing this long enough to have put the thought in behind the idea.
It's about time this business started coming up with new ideas rather than the continual reliance on stone age ideas and diminishing returns.
dvtimes
06-12-08, 09:25 PM
Just been looking at Mac & Bumble, and they are giving away a totally free trial to their site, simply by giving your email address.
http://www.macandbumble.com/sites/new_email/?ref=206546
I tried it and works perfect, could browse the whole site, download a vid, view the pics etc. Only works for one session, and prob has a timeout on it.
Now do you lot think its a good selling point? I can see benefits if you have the good depth of content
Interested to hear other viewpoints?
My main thought is the danger of under 18's accessing the site.
In some ways you could say its no difference to say FHG.
The other thought is that its a good way to collect a vast amount of email addresses of people who are interested in porn.
My main thought is the danger of under 18's accessing the site.
In some ways you could say its no difference to say FHG.
The other thought is that its a good way to collect a vast amount of email addresses of people who are interested in porn.
Shakes head in utter disbelief.
onlytease
06-12-08, 09:29 PM
My main thought is the danger of under 18's accessing the site.
In some ways you could say its no difference to say FHG.
The other thought is that its a good way to collect a vast amount of email addresses of people who are interested in porn.
dvt - for once you have come up with a very good and valid point :cheer:
for the responsible site owner there is no age verification on it and i got immediate access to the site, though it is mainly tits and fannies, the hardcore part of m&b wasn't accessible.
good point though :)
dvtimes
06-12-08, 09:34 PM
dvt - for once you have come up with a very good and valid point :cheer:
for the responsible site owner there is no age verification on it and i got immediate access to the site, though it is mainly tits and fannies, the hardcore part of m&b wasn't accessible.
good point though :)
I always make good points.
onlytease
06-12-08, 09:35 PM
I always make good points.
:noway2:
Personally I think it's a dreadfull idea for the industry as a whole :noway2:
Surfers over the years have gained more & more access to free porn & this is just an extention of that, it's really getting to the point where a surfer can gain more than enough wank foder for free.
I appriciate that what "Mac & Bumble" have done is for a single session but what I guess *might* happen is further down the line when every sponsor has copied this approach then someone else might offer say a 3 day pass, then a weeks pass before you know it a whole months free pass simply to try to get ahead of the next guy....result being even more free porn in cyber space & ultimately fewer sign ups.
The surfer in this instance gives his email addy that I of course I understand, but all that tells me is that he wants it for free full stop regardless of how many newsletters / offers you send him....he wants it for free, thus I imagine the strike rate will be piss poor.
:twocents:
Personally I think it's a dreadfull idea for the industry as a whole :noway2:
Surfers over the years have gained more & more access to free porn & this is just an extention of that, it's really getting to the point where a surfer can gain more than enough wank foder for free.
I appriciate that what "Mac & Bumble" have done is for a single session but what I guess *might* happen is further down the line when every sponsor has copied this approach then someone else might offer say a 3 day pass, then a weeks pass before you know it a whole months free pass simply to try to get ahead of the next guy....result being even more free porn in cyber space & ultimately fewer sign ups.
The surfer in this instance gives his email addy that I of course I understand, but all that tells me is that he wants it for free full stop regardless of how many newsletters / offers you send him....he wants it for free, thus I imagine the strike rate will be piss poor.
:twocents:
As against TGPs you mean? Or MGPs? Or Tubes or more free porn already out there that anyone could possibly need in one lifetime? If you have a good product and then take matters into your own hands to sell what else would you do? Start a blog? Put a few mornings asside for submits? We have given a load of free subscriptions away over the years through our own traffic and promotions and a lot of those free joins have signed up and been with us for many months at a time.
mOBSCENE
06-12-08, 09:56 PM
Do affiliates get $100 for selling the free trial?
Do affiliates get $100 for selling the free trial?
no $1000
dvtimes
06-12-08, 09:58 PM
Mabe you could see it like such as Telivision X giving away 10 free mins.
As against TGPs you mean? Or MGPs? Or Tubes or more free porn already out there that anyone could possibly need in one lifetime? If you have a good product and then take matters into your own hands to sell what else would you do? Start a blog? Put a few mornings asside for submits? We have given a load of free subscriptions away over the years through our own traffic and promotions and a lot of those free joins have signed up and been with us for many months at a time.
But this is my point (If I'm reading you right?) why add to the masses of free porn already out there ? I thought the industry wanted to pull the reigns in not add to the problem ?
I fully respect that you've given away a lot of free joins & subsequently gained sign ups but what about all the free joins you've given away to people who might have otherwise paid ? (I realise that's impossible to guess incidently)
With total respect to you Mr SGS this to me smacks of desperation & not an approach that I personally would describe as either fresh or sustainable in the long term.
:)
...i got immediate access to the site, though it is mainly tits and fannies, the hardcore part of m&b wasn't accessible....
Couldn't there be a danger here ?
Show them a watered down version & they might just think that's all they can expect inside thus not bother to sign up as they think it's a bit lame & not worth spending their $$ on.
I realise you can tell em till your blue in the face that the good stuff costs but first impressions count for a lot.
:twocents:
dvtimes
06-12-08, 10:25 PM
I suspect there aim is simply to get email addresses.
I suspect there aim is simply to get email addresses.
Email marketing is for mugs.
I suspect there aim is simply to get email addresses.
For what ? People that are simply interested in free porn ?
:)
For what ? People that are simply interested in free porn ?
:)
Yep. Would guess so.
Why not?
seems a bit old fashioned to me, Im offering my sites for free and also giving surfers $5 to join for free.
Hopefully affiliates will understand that I need my $2.50 from them for each sale
For what ? People that are simply interested in free porn ?
:)
Infact this just reminded me of an advert on Talksport.
Strongbow are offering people a free pint if they text something with their mobile phone.
Do you think the manufacturers want to just give away free drink for nothing?
They are getting what they want from the transaction - for sure.
Verified phone number, verified email address - agree to the T&C's
What is the difference from a marketing perspective?
think outside the box..
Infact this just reminded me of an advert on Talksport.
Strongbow are offering people a free pint if they text something with their mobile phone.
Do you think the manufacturers want to just give away free drink for nothing?
They are getting what they want from the transaction - for sure.
Verified phone number, verified email address - agree to the T&C's
What is the difference from a marketing perspective?
think outside the box..
The difference here is that there is a very limited amount of free Cider widely availalble to satisfy even the most irregular consumer.
Porn on the other hand already has bucket loads it's given away & continues to give it away to the possible ultimate result of not being able to sell it, especially memberships.
(What box?)
:)
The difference here is that there is a very limited amount of free Cider widely availalble to satisfy even the most irregular consumer.
Porn on the other hand already has bucket loads it's given away & continues to give it away to the possible ultimate result of not being able to sell it, especially memberships.
(What box?)
:)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outside_the_box
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outside_the_box
My "What Box?" comment was actually trying to emphasise that I've never actually put myself inside The Box, I'm well aware of the phrase ;)
NumptyNuts
06-13-08, 01:41 AM
Porn on the other hand already has bucket loads it's given away & continues to give it away to the possible ultimate result of not being able to sell it, especially memberships.
:)
you can give away all the porn in the world, but if the end user aint turned on he may as well be reading/looking at a regular website.
just a thought but "we don't sell porn, we sell fanatasies"
Couldn't there be a danger here ?
Show them a watered down version & they might just think that's all they can expect inside thus not bother to sign up as they think it's a bit lame & not worth spending their $$ on.
I realise you can tell em till your blue in the face that the good stuff costs but first impressions count for a lot.
:twocents:
The industry will not reign in free content and even if it did there is enough amateur content going up every day now to satisfy the vast majority of porn surfers out there. We have three hard drives with another 1000 gigs of content just about to go up to John next week to be sorted out for promo content and the vast majority will go up onto TGP/MGPs where educated surfers are still being continually jerked to other sites and with just two almost ineffective links back to our own site on the gallery. Then we get enough content stolen every month for us now to employ a full time company to keep on top of that side now as well.
The problem is not free porn but absolutely dreadful marketing with out of date tools to surfers who are now very web savvy and know what they want to see. We use a lot of content in our own in house promotions and our in house sales make up a lot more than half of all of our sales now (and we have several thousand affiliates actively promoting us) with some good organization and knowledge of how to sell our product and very little effort.
Those who are too entrenched and scared to try new things will continue to see tough times while those who step outside of the box and are not frightened to try to actually “sell” their product to the educated surfer of today will continue to grow.
Paul Markham
06-13-08, 09:26 AM
I think that looks like a good idea and Mac & Bumble have been doing this long enough to have put the thought in behind the idea.
It's about time this business started coming up with new ideas rather than the continual reliance on stone age ideas and diminishing returns.
Agreed. Might look to disable the abilty to DL the content but excellent idea.
Watch my site next week. :P
Paul Markham
06-13-08, 09:39 AM
But this is my point (If I'm reading you right?) why add to the masses of free porn already out there ? I thought the industry wanted to pull the reigns in not add to the problem ?
Do you mean the millions this business spends giving away free content is the way we " I thought the industry wanted to pull the reigns in not add to the problem ?" If so you're delusional.
The industry does all it can and spends more money on giving away free porn than it does on the porn people are paying for. So reigning in to you means spending more on giving it away. :noway2:
The fly in the ointment might be affiliates who want $50 a sign up. They will have to see the traffic convert to full membership or get paid for the traffic or it has to be on a site the affiliate is not sending traffic to.
Also if you sell porn that's bland and got little to offer against all the other sites in your niche, or little to make the surfer stay longer than 20 minutes you will have a problem. The problem is not always the surfer needs 20 minutes to get off and go, it's sometimes the site is only worth 20 minutes.
I will think on it longer. Might do it with the $5 sites. Email works if you have something worth selling.
Do you mean the millions this business spends giving away free content is the way we " I thought the industry wanted to pull the reigns in not add to the problem ?" If so you're delusional.
The industry does all it can and spends more money on giving away free porn than it does on the porn people are paying for. So reigning in to you means spending more on giving it away. :noway2:
Can you rephrase this please Paul, I honestly can't understand what you're saying ?
:)
Paul Markham
06-13-08, 11:01 AM
Can you rephrase this please Paul, I honestly can't understand what you're saying ?
:)
That's your problem then. :noway2:
But here it is again.
This industry has no intentions of slowing down or reducing the operation of free porn. It spends more money giving it away than it spends on the porn it sells. Did you get that?
Include affiliates, who are paid to give it away, payments into the equation.
If you still do not understand it then go think it through.
If you still do not understand it then go think it through.
Someone piss on your strawberries Paul?
Someone piss on your strawberries Paul?
when I use to go strawberry picking in the summer holliday for a few quid cash. There would be loads of gypsy women there and they use to piss on the strawberys all the time, never went to the toilet, just pulled there knickers aside and pissed on the strawberys :reading:
Paul Markham
06-13-08, 11:19 AM
Someone piss on your strawberries Paul?
He pissed on my strawberries as well? :noway2:
It's very simple to understand and I think he was just trying to look clever.
Flame Paul = Pimpin Dude.
Like the surfer gives a fuck!!!
He pissed on my strawberries as well? :noway2:
It's very simple to understand and I think he was just trying to look clever.
Flame Paul = Pimpin Dude.
Like the surfer gives a fuck!!!
I don't think that's SD's style at all, I think he was serious. I didn't understand what you were going on about either, tbh.
when I use to go strawberry picking in the summer holliday for a few quid cash. There would be loads of gypsy women there and they use to piss on the strawberys all the time, never went to the toilet, just pulled there knickers aside and pissed on the strawberys :reading:
Pissy strawberries are my FAVE!
That's your problem then. :noway2:
But here it is again.
This industry has no intentions of slowing down or reducing the operation of free porn. It spends more money giving it away than it spends on the porn it sells. Did you get that?
Include affiliates, who are paid to give it away, payments into the equation.
If you still do not understand it then go think it through.
I've had a good think & re-read the bit that I sincerely didn't understand in your post & to be honest still don't get it.
However, it wasn't a complete waste of my time as it has re-affirmed to me what a rude & grumpy old tosser you are whom usually types the first old incoherent waffle that comes into your head.
:)
Pissy strawberries are my FAVE!
you wouldnt be alone. Because it was a pick your own strwbery place, the type you use to get loads of but dont see many these days, all the family use to go, kids mums and dads picking strawberys and eating them along the way, buying about 1/2 what you ate and feeling sick. Well my guess is that those families, mums, dads kids and the occaisional dog ate alot of dry gypsy piss
Paul Markham
06-13-08, 11:32 AM
I don't think that's SD's style at all, I think he was serious. I didn't understand what you were going on about either, tbh.
Sorry if I can't explain it well enough, to me it's simple.
People in the industry spend more time, effort and money giving away free porn than they do constructing the paysites. We spend hours chatting on boards to get affiliates, pay them 50% or more, build tools, use programs, have servers and more all dedicated to giving away free porn.
Compare what the industry spends on the "free porn" or marketing with what it spends on the members area and you will see what I mean.
Look at his last post, it's his style when talking to me.
Maybe the present problems of the Adult Net are down to people who don't get it.
Sorry if I can't explain it well enough, to me it's simple.
People in the industry spend more time, effort and money giving away free porn than they do constructing the paysites. We spend hours chatting on boards to get affiliates, pay them 50% or more, build tools, use programs, have servers and more all dedicated to giving away free porn.
Compare what the industry spends on the "free porn" or marketing with what it spends on the members area and you will see what I mean.
Look at his last post, it's his style when talking to me.
Maybe the present problems of the Adult Net are down to people who don't get it.
Ok, fine, so now you're gonna add to the problem & start to give even more away ?
:)
Never had a gypsy piss on my strawberries, but I do prefer it when men come on my strawberries...
Strawberries and Cream... Yummy
Mmmm all very interesting this.
In sales technique parlance it called "The Puppy Dog" close. Give it to them and they will want to keep it. I spent 20 years in the catalogue business and everything in those days was sent on "free approval". Of course we got returned stuff, but the majority was kept and paid for.
Paul's argument about marketing etc is debatable. Once a site is built and ready where is one's time better spent? Tweaking and twiddling the site (like moving the join button - sorry I just had to get that one in) or finding 1000 new surfers? I know what my answer to that is.
As for email marketing - it works! If it's done properly and sent to the right people you get responses i.e. sign ups. I was once a direct marketing guru (and wish I had stayed one LOL!) and constantly heard the junk mail is a waste of time argument. No it's not but it needs skill and science to make it work - and it does.
One last thing. If you made the best product in the world but didn't tell anyone about it - it wouldn't sell!
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