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If I post a crap review of someones site do you think they will ever forgive me or will I be off their christmas card list for life? lol
Im finding this reviewing hard going cos Im a hard bastard and ultra critical so I KNOW some people are gonna have the major hump with me when they see their reviews :onguard:
If I post a crap review of someones site do you think they will ever forgive me or will I be off their christmas card list for life? lol
Im finding this reviewing hard going cos Im a hard bastard and ultra critical so I KNOW some people are gonna have the major hump with me when they see their reviews :onguard:
If you are running the site as a hobby then you will have no problems.
If you are running the site as a hobby then you will have no problems.
And if Im running it as a business???
And if Im running it as a business???
Site owners want sales not bad reviews.
Site owners want sales not bad reviews.
uh oh :titanic:
And if Im running it as a business???
if a surfer arrives at your site and reads a bad review, why would they sign up? it will cost you sales as well. bit pointless to have a site like that, i would have thought. that assumes you'd sell memberships to sites you review to begin with, of course.
If you are running the site as a hobby then you will have no problems.
:takethat:
if a surfer arrives at your site and reads a bad review, why would they sign up? it will cost you sales as well. bit pointless to have a site like that, i would have thought. that assumes you'd sell memberships to sites you review to begin with, of course.
Bit pointless for me financially yeah BUT I would rather have my integrity and know that my reviews are honest than make money from misleading people - conflict of interest me thinks lol
Bit pointless for me financially yeah BUT I would rather have my integrity and know that my reviews are honest than make money from misleading people - conflict of interest me thinks lol
think salesman style. if you run a shop for sport equipment and i as a customer have to pick between different makes of golf clubs, how will you describe them?
version 1: take club A cos club B is crap compared to it.
version 2: advantages of club A are....
you don't need to trash one item to highlight the plus of the other.
think salesman style. if you run a shop for sport equipment and i as a customer have to pick between different makes of golf clubs, how will you describe them?
version 1: take club A cos club B is crap compared to it.
version 2: advantages of club A are....
you don't need to trash one item to highlight the plus of the other.
Im not quite gonna trash any sites (unless they are realllllllllly poor) but I have to be honest to myself and to my "readers" at the same time so I guess that means Im gonna fall out with some people :ninja:
Bit pointless for me financially yeah BUT I would rather have my integrity and know that my reviews are honest than make money from misleading people - conflict of interest me thinks lol
And what makes you the expert reviewer? What are your credentials and what niches are you qualified to review?
And what makes you the expert reviewer? What are your credentials and what niches are you qualified to review?
Absolutely nothing makes me an expert reviewer and I have never tried to claim otherwise - my only credentials are being an intelligent, articulate human being with 15 years of using the net and surfing for porn as a punter behind me so I think I know whats good and whats not.
Thats all any review site is - one persons opinion of any given thing in this case porn sites, its down to the surfer to make their own mind up and decide if Im right or not. If I get it all wrong then I will know cos people wont use the site - if I get it right then they will and the opposite applies.
Absolutely nothing makes me an expert reviewer and I have never tried to claim otherwise - my only credentials are being an intelligent, articulate human being with 15 years of using the net and surfing for porn as a punter behind me so I think I know whats good and whats not.
Thats all any review site is - one persons opinion of any given thing in this case porn sites, its down to the surfer to make their own mind up and decide if Im right or not. If I get it all wrong then I will know cos people wont use the site - if I get it right then they will and the opposite applies.
Most review sites are the opinion of several reviewers or even the punters would struggle to find it credible.
Im not quite gonna trash any sites (unless they are realllllllllly poor) but I have to be honest to myself and to my "readers" at the same time so I guess that means Im gonna fall out with some people :ninja:
if you say one negative word about a site of mine, i will see it as trashing it, i claim you have no clue what you are rabbiting about. prove me wrong. (i'm giving you a view here, not my personal POV)
why even put yourself in the line of fire like that?
a surfer reading your reviews already shows interest, you don't wanna scare them away with negative wordings. point out the positive things, it's more than obvious to anyone with half a brain if the list of good stuff is 1 line for site A and half a page for site B.
if you feel the urge to be negative (read 'honest'), expect some headwind on the way.
if you say one negative word about a site of mine, i will see it as trashing it, i claim you have no clue what you are rabbiting about. prove me wrong. (i'm giving you a view here, not my personal POV)
why even put yourself in the line of fire like that?
a surfer reading your reviews already shows interest, you don't wanna scare them away with negative wordings. point out the positive things, it's more than obvious to anyone with half a brain if the list of good stuff is 1 line for site A and half a page for site B.
if you feel the urge to be negative (read 'honest'), expect some headwind on the way.
Especially in a business known for its "family connections" it would be easy to find yourself abseiling in concrete wellies. :)
Most review sites are the opinion of several reviewers or even the punters would struggle to find it credible.
I have only found one site that has a spread of reviwers on it but if you want a job then feel free - until then its me, myself and I. The site will have the ability for surfers to rate a site and I guess that will let me see if Im that far out of touch or not.
if you say one negative word about a site of mine, i will see it as trashing it, i claim you have no clue what you are rabbiting about. prove me wrong. (i'm giving you a view here, not my personal POV)
why even put yourself in the line of fire like that?
a surfer reading your reviews already shows interest, you don't wanna scare them away with negative wordings. point out the positive things, it's more than obvious to anyone with half a brain if the list of good stuff is 1 line for site A and half a page for site B.
if you feel the urge to be negative (read 'honest'), expect some headwind on the way.
Nothing is perfect - I dont care what it is, who owns it or what it does. Everything and everyone has faults and could be improved upon.
I fully intend to be honest about all the reviews - if a site has bad things Im gonna say it, simple as. The way around it is dont submit your sites for review if you have something to be afraid of or, failing that, run sites that hold up to inspection and then no one has anything to worry about.
I have only found one site that has a spread of reviwers on it but if you want a job then feel free - until then its me, myself and I. The site will have the ability for surfers to rate a site and I guess that will let me see if Im that far out of touch or not.
Who gives fuck how out of touch you are? This isn’t just a hobby with the odd wank here and there. Its business.
Absolutely nothing makes me an expert reviewer and I have never tried to claim otherwise - my only credentials are being an intelligent, articulate human being with 15 years of using the net and surfing for porn as a punter behind me so I think I know whats good and whats not.
do you enjoy scat? pissing? sites like bloodbitch.com? if so, do you enjoy softcore?
noone really likes everything on offer. nor has anyone seen everything there is on a topic.
all you can offer is a personal feeling, an opinion, which anyone else may agree to or not.
do you like the looks of all your mates' partners? would you have chosen to be with them? well, your mate has, hasn't he?
Nothing is perfect - I dont care what it is, who owns it or what it does. Everything and everyone has faults and could be improved upon.
I fully intend to be honest about all the reviews - if a site has bad things Im gonna say it, simple as. The way around it is dont submit your sites for review if you have something to be afraid of or, failing that, run sites that hold up to inspection and then no one has anything to worry about.
Are you for real? :lmao2:
Who gives fuck how out of touch you are? This isn’t just a hobby with the odd wank here and there. Its business.
OK so you are saying its ok for webmasters to "rip off" their customers? Thats not business - that paramount to fraud.
I for one have paid for many subscriptions to many sites and some have been a member of for 3 or 4 years cos they are good sites and other within 10 mins of logging in Im regretting parting with my money.
I dont know what people are so afraid of if they dont have anything to hide.
OK so you are saying its ok for webmasters to "rip off" their customers? Thats not business - that paramount to fraud.
I for one have paid for many subscriptions to many sites and some have been a member of for 3 or 4 years cos they are good sites and other within 10 mins of logging in Im regretting parting with my money.
I dont know what people are so afraid of if they dont have anything to hide.
And what are you setting yourself up as now? The wank police?
do you enjoy scat? pissing? sites like bloodbitch.com? if so, do you enjoy softcore?
noone really likes everything on offer. nor has anyone seen everything there is on a topic.
all you can offer is a personal feeling, an opinion, which anyone else may agree to or not.
do you like the looks of all your mates' partners? would you have chosen to be with them? well, your mate has, hasn't he?
Nope I dont like EVERYTHING but I do like most things and have subscribed to sites covering most genres - the few areas I dont like I wont be reviewing sites in those niches until I get someone who is into that to do it. Things like BDSM, some fetishes, gay sites etc will have to wait for reviews and I will be open and honest with the webmasters and surfers about that.
No I dont like the look of some of my mates partners but if they asked me did I like the look of them I would say no - if they then decide that they do and that they want to take it further thats their choice and their right and its exactly the same here. I will tell a surfer my opinion which will hopefully help them to make their decision and if they choose to go ahead and subscribe then happy days for everyone.
Everything and everyone has faults and could be improved upon.
this comment generalising and wrong. all it does reflect is YOUR view on it.
are you just going to say this and that is shit or will you offer improvements? will you be a bitchy cunt or offer constructive criticism?
which begs the question, if you know it all better and best, which must be the way it is, seeing your comment i quoted above, where is your site so all the site owners can learn how it's done? why bother with teh rubble when you can create the one real gem?
see where i'm going with this?
i'd be interested what your background in sales and/or marketing is?
And what are you setting yourself up as now? The wank police?
Call it what you like but thats what a porn review site *should* be but Im starting to see now that very few of them really are - I dont see the point in investing the time, effort and money in this project if it just becomes a big link list of sites. I work in IT and if we put forward a computer for review and its shite the reviewer says its shite and next time we make sure we do it better - same thing happens when cars are reviewed on Top Gear and the likes. If it has faults they point them out so why should this game be any different?
Reviews should be seen as good and valuable feedback (so long as they are constructive that is) and help you make your product better - of course no one likes bad reviews but they are a part of life especially business life.
Nope I dont like EVERYTHING but I do like most things and have subscribed to sites covering most genres - the few areas I dont like I wont be reviewing sites in those niches until I get someone who is into that to do it. Things like BDSM, some fetishes, gay sites etc will have to wait for reviews and I will be open and honest with the webmasters and surfers about that.
good, at least you seem to realise that 15 years of using the net and surfing for porn as a punter behind me so I think I know whats good and whats not isn't a serious comment.
No I dont like the look of some of my mates partners but if they asked me did I like the look of them I would say no - if they then decide that they do and that they want to take it further thats their choice and their right
ah, so you do notice people have different tastes and yours is not everyone else's. why would that be the way a review site works then?
and its exactly the same here.
no, it is not.
I will tell a surfer my opinion which will hopefully help them to make their decision and if they choose to go ahead and subscribe then happy days for everyone.
i asked before, why would one sign up if you have nothing good to say?
this comment generalising and wrong. all it does reflect is YOUR view on it.
are you just going to say this and that is shit or will you offer improvements? will you be a bitchy cunt or offer constructive criticism?
which begs the question, if you know it all better and best, which must be the way it is, seeing your comment i quoted above, where is your site so all the site owners can learn how it's done? why bother with teh rubble when you can create the one real gem?
see where i'm going with this?
i'd be interested what your background in sales and/or marketing is?
I keep emphasing the phrase constructive criticism - if I think a site is poor I am not just gonna say "its shite, dont subscribe" Im gonna say something like "this site has potential but its not being fulfilled at the moment, if there were more movies and more regular updates then I would recommend it but as it stands I cannot". That to me is constructive criticism.
I did run an adult site in the past but got bored with it and couldnt fit it in around my day job - my background is heavily in IT sales. I have spent the last 9 years in a field based sales role selling large IT solutions with a tag of 250k+ to corporates and public sector and carrying targets of £30M plus per year so I reckon I know something about sales.
Call it what you like but thats what a porn review site *should* be but Im starting to see now that very few of them really are - I dont see the point in investing the time, effort and money in this project if it just becomes a big link list of sites. I work in IT and if we put forward a computer for review and its shite the reviewer says its shite and next time we make sure we do it better - same thing happens when cars are reviewed on Top Gear and the likes. If it has faults they point them out so why should this game be any different?
Reviews should be seen as good and valuable feedback (so long as they are constructive that is) and help you make your product better - of course no one likes bad reviews but they are a part of life especially business life.
Sorry to burst your bubble but you are not top gear. You have just had help setting up a review site and now you are going to help us run our businesses? :)
i asked before, why would one sign up if you have nothing good to say?
Because they might not believe me, they may think Im a bitchy cunt, they may think Im a twat, they may think I have a vendetta against certain people or sites - fuck knows, people are free to do whatever they like after all. Lots of sites have scores on review sites of well below 40 for example and still they exist and, presumably, make money for the owner - review sites are not gospel, they are an opinion and, in this case, that opinion is MY opinion. Im not telling people what to do and what not to do - everyone is capable of making up their own minds.
Sorry to burst your bubble but you are not top gear. You have just had help setting up a review site and now you are going to help us run our businesses? :)
So now you are forming opinions based on individuals - its ok for Jezza to say a new Ford is a pile of shite but its not ok for me to say that a site is the same? Despite what he says you can rest assured lots of them will still sell and the same applies here - he doesnt like the car, I dont like the site. Whats the difference except the product and the fact he is on TV?
So now you are forming opinions based on individuals - its ok for Jezza to say a new Ford is a pile of shite but its not ok for me to say that a site is the same? Despite what he says you can rest assured lots of them will still sell and the same applies here - he doesnt like the car, I dont like the site. Whats the difference except the product and the fact he is on TV?
It took you until yesterday to work out how reciprocal links work.
I keep emphasing the phrase constructive criticism - if I think a site is poor I am not just gonna say "its shite, dont subscribe" Im gonna say something like "this site has potential but its not being fulfilled at the moment, if there were more movies and more regular updates then I would recommend it but as it stands I cannot". That to me is constructive criticism.
so if the tour said 200 movies, bi-weekly updates you would point out that 300 movies and weekly updates would be better? blimey, really? and the surfer couldn't have made that decision on their own after seein the info on the tour?
sorry, doesn't convince me really.
BTW, as far as emphasing the phrase constructive criticism goes, it was me to ask you about it, before it was you and you being a hard bastard and ultra critical so I KNOW some people are gonna have the major hump with me when they see their reviews.
I did run an adult site in the past but got bored with it and couldnt fit it in around my day job - my background is heavily in IT sales. I have spent the last 9 years in a field based sales role selling large IT solutions with a tag of 250k+ to corporates and public sector and carrying targets of £30M plus per year so I reckon I know something about sales.
oh absolutely. it's the very same to sell a fantasy to some horny wanker as it is to sell 6 figure IT equipement where a whole panel makes a decision over weeks.
It took you until yesterday to work out how reciprocal links work.
Firstly thats crap BUT even if it was, what does it prove? You think Jezza knew how a car engine worked when he came out of the womb? We all learn things as we go through life - I have never needed to know how recips worked until now. Im sure at some point you had to ask how they worked too but, if anything, at least my asking proves that I am willing to learn and not afraid to ask for feedback or criticism of me and my site. Like the affiliates and forced recip link thing - I asked for feedback, people said bad idea so I changed it. Constructive feedback, took it on board, made the change and thats what I am trying to get across as being the value in a review.
Because they might not believe me, they may think Im a bitchy cunt, they may think Im a twat, they may think I have a vendetta against certain people or sites - fuck knows, people are free to do whatever they like after all. Lots of sites have scores on review sites of well below 40 for example and still they exist and, presumably, make money for the owner - review sites are not gospel, they are an opinion and, in this case, that opinion is MY opinion. Im not telling people what to do and what not to do - everyone is capable of making up their own minds.
and you just proved how little you know about selling and marketing.
again, you walk into a shop, the assistant shows you some goods you are interested in and only bitches about them. this one isn't handy enough, the next uses too much energy, the third is simply too expensive (or whatever your beef would be, take your pick).
would you buy ANY of the products?
no, you would wonder, maybe ask, why the fuck this shop has those goods in first place, if they are all crap anyway. you definitely would not buy, because you are alienated.
so if the tour said 200 movies, bi-weekly updates you would point out that 300 movies and weekly updates would be better? blimey, really? and the surfer couldn't have made that decision on their own after seein the info on the tour?
oh absolutely. it's the very same to sell a fantasy to some horny wanker as it is to sell 6 figure IT equipement where a whole panel makes a decision over weeks.
Now your being a twat - if a site had 200 movies and bi weekly updates and everything else was ok I would give it a recommended award and happily recommend people check it out. However, if a site said the above and only had 100 grainy shitty movies and hadnt been updated in months what would you rather I said??
On the final point YOU are the one who asked for my sales background - I never claimed it had any bearing on my abilities as a reviewer so dont try turning something back round to me just cos it backfired on you.
Firstly thats crap BUT even if it was, what does it prove? You think Jezza knew how a car engine worked when he came out of the womb? We all learn things as we go through life - I have never needed to know how recips worked until now. Im sure at some point you had to ask how they worked too but, if anything, at least my asking proves that I am willing to learn and not afraid to ask for feedback or criticism of me and my site. Like the affiliates and forced recip link thing - I asked for feedback, people said bad idea so I changed it. Constructive feedback, took it on board, made the change and thats what I am trying to get across as being the value in a review.
I am not trying to push your buttons here but trying to make you understand that business is business. 250k probably sounds a lot of money but all that really says is that you didn’t know enough about the business to be able to do it yourself.
and you just proved how little you know about selling and marketing.
again, you walk into a shop, the assistant shows you some goods you are interested in and only bitches about them. this one isn't handy enough, the next uses too much energy, the third is simply too expensive (or whatever your beef would be, take your pick).
would you buy ANY of the products?
no, you would wonder, maybe ask, why the fuck this shop has those goods in first place, if they are all crap anyway. you definitely would not buy, because you are alienated.
Actually yes I would cos I would respect the assistants honesty and knowledge. I do that every day - I go to customers to design and recommend IT solutions. In a lot of cases they have an idea in their head about what they think they need and want and in most cases its not the right thing so I tell them what I would do instead. Sometimes the value goes up and sometimes it comes down but, and this is key, that customer now trusts me and will listen to my advice and recommend me to others cos I was honest and genuinely helped him. If on the other hand I was to sit there and say nothing and he bought it and then wasnt happy he would be well pissed off and, again, the same applies to my site. If a surfer came to my site and read a review which said a site was good or didnt say it was poor when it was and he then parted with his hard earned money for it, do you think he is going to come back to my site or tell his mates about it?
250k probably sounds a lot of money but all that really says is that you didn’t know enough about the business to be able to do it yourself.
Thats makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever........
Thats makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever........
That was what I was worried about.
Now your being a twat - if a site had 200 movies and bi weekly updates and everything else was ok I would give it a recommended award and happily recommend people check it out. However, if a site said the above and only had 100 grainy shitty movies and hadnt been updated in months what would you rather I said??
On the final point YOU are the one who asked for my sales background - I never claimed it had any bearing on my abilities as a reviewer so dont try turning something back round to me just cos it backfired on you.
ah, i see you are finally cornered enough to resort to name calling. :lmao2:
nothing backfired at me, quite the contrary, you prove with every post that you lack the basic skills in sales. yet you have the balls to go out and sketch a review site telling those that make money from peddling porn how to run their business. that's amusing. mildly only, but still.
it appears your main problem is you are still in the mindset of a porn surfer. right, go and do your review site. do it the way you think is right.
just don't act surprised if the number of friends (read those that actually pay you in the end) you win with it is rather limited. :)
Actually yes I would cos I would respect the assistants honesty and knowledge.
bullshit. and if not, we have yet another proof for your lacking sales skills. the only real point is, why does this shop only have goods that are crap, what keeps them from going out and finding suitable products.
If a surfer came to my site and read a review which said a site was good or didnt say it was poor when it was and he then parted with his hard earned money for it, do you think he is going to come back to my site or tell his mates about it?
again, you are not the surfer's buddy. as long as you don't get rid of this mind set, the whole review site cannot work as a money making project. as a hobby, a bitch site, sure, not as a serious site though. make up your mind what you want to do.
BTW, you highly underestimate the surfers and their willingness to charge back if they really dislike what is offered.
ah, i see you are finally cornered enough to resort to name calling. :lmao2:
nothing backfired at me, quite the contrary, you prove with every post that you lack the basic skills in sales. yet you have the balls to go out and sketch a review site telling those that make money from peddling porn how to run their business. that's amusing. mildly only, but still.
it appears your main problem is you are still in the mindset of a porn surfer. right, go and do your review site. do it the way you think is right.
just don't act surprised if the number of friends (read those that actually pay you in the end) you win with it is rather limited. :)
You are mixing up my motives with your motives - your motives are to sell subscriptions to your site even if it is shite (and I have no idea what sites you run let alone if they good or otherwise so thats not meant as a personal comment). My motives are to have a review site that people value and thats the selling I am trying to do and, yes, the two are not exclusively compatible and that has become very apparent tonight. Just because our motives and objectives are very different doesnt mean either one of us is wrong.
Im not telling anyone how to do anything - Im offering my opinion. Same as you are offering your opinion on what I am doing, nothing more and nothing less. Surely the best person to be a reviewer of a porn site is a surfer as thats who the product is being sold to? Whats the point in having a webmaster as a reviewer? They will see things very differently to a surfer which this thread has proven time and time again.
If I lack the basic skills in sales then I must be a very good bluffer with the career success I have had and the material trappings I have gotten from it - I know I can sell, thats one thing I have no doubts on.
Cardinal_Sin
11-11-05, 11:36 PM
Going to add a bit here - Not read all the to and fro stuff as the first few posts showed the direction of the thread -
Jase - A review site is no different that running any other form of free site "oriented" towards sales - Which is the whole basis of all of us being here pushing our shit out on the net.
List the best reviews you have done.
Those that are shit - Don't list them - Only list those that will make you cash - (Most of the really shit "upsell" sites will soon remove your legs if you fuck them over, anyway - So why bother?
If you want to do some bad reviews, why not do it with a total missunderstanding of the fetish the site sells? (Reverse sell)
For example: A smoking fetish site - You give a porn perspective of what you want, but your text constantly shows Smoking, nudity and smoking, sex and smoking, but, no good to you because it ain't outright porn! - The smoking fetishist will realise you know fuck all and will probably join, making you some cash.
Whatever you do - Don't give a neg review with a neg review -
bullshit. and if not, we have yet another proof for your lacking sales skills. the only real point is, why does this shop only have goods that are crap, what keeps them from going out and finding suitable products.
again, you are not the surfer's buddy. as long as you don't get rid of this mind set, the whole review site cannot work as a money making project. as a hobby, a bitch site, sure, not as a serious site though. make up your mind what you want to do.
BTW, you highly underestimate the surfers and their willingness to charge back if they really dislike what is offered.
Thats why your analogy doesnt work against me cos my site isnt a shop as such - my site is more like Top Gear or a computer magazine. Im not actually selling the end product - Im reviewing it and recommending it or not as the case may be. You are the shop or the car company or the computer manufacturer - you are the person having the review done on your products, all my site is is a directory of reviews.
Im not bothered if the site works as a money maker or not - yeah it would be nice to make some beer money from it but I dont need the money. If having to run it as a hobby is the only way I can have my integrity intact then I will do that. I dont see why you keep harping back to it being a bitch site though - I have done three reviews tonight and of those two have been good and one ok. Havent dont a really negative review yet but even on the two that got good reviews I did point out some things I didnt like or didnt think worked.
Your last point on chargebacks is a fair point and yes its one I didnt take into account but it doesnt ultimately strengthen or weaken either of our arguments - I know I have never done a chargeback even when I have been wholly unsatisfied, I just take on the chin and try and learn for again.
I was going to add some helpful comments but the thread seems to have lost the plot.
Going to add a bit here - Not read all the to and fro stuff as the first few posts showed the direction of the thread -
Jase - A review site is no different that running any other form of free site "oriented" towards sales - Which is the whole basis of all of us being here pushing our shit out on the net.
List the best reviews you have done.
Those that are shit - Don't list them - Only list those that will make you cash - (Most of the really shit "upsell" sites will soon remove your legs if you fuck them over, anyway - So why bother?
If you want to do some bad reviews, why not do it with a total missunderstanding of the fetish the site sells? (Reverse sell)
For example: A smoking fetish site - You give a porn perspective of what you want, but your text constantly shows Smoking, nudity and smoking, sex and smoking, but, no good to you because it ain't outright porn! - The smoking fetishist will realise you know fuck all and will probably join, making you some cash.
Whatever you do - Don't give a neg review with a neg review -
Cant blame you for not reading it all :lmao2:
I guess this all comes down to whether I want this to be a business or a hobby - I had hoped I could have it as business and keep the integrity of the site but am increasingly thinking its not possible. Webmasters just dont seem to like or value criticism no matter how constructive it is!
I was going to add some helpful comments but the thread seems to have lost the plot.
Please feel free to Jesse - your input would be great even if it is to tell me Im wrong and a twat and all that lol
Im not bothered if the site works as a money maker or not -
So why bother?
You are mixing up my motives with your motives - your motives are to sell subscriptions to your site even if it is shite (and I have no idea what sites you run let alone if they good or otherwise so thats not meant as a personal comment). My motives are to have a review site that people value and thats the selling I am trying to do and, yes, the two are not exclusively compatible and that has become very apparent tonight. Just because our motives and objectives are very different doesnt mean either one of us is wrong.
i am not mixing up anything, quite the contrary, i keep telling you that the site as you seem to plan it at this point is a surfer site, not a business one. i make a clear distinction.
you asked about running it as a business in one of your first posts in this thread though.
Im not telling anyone how to do anything - Im offering my opinion.
so your statements will in fact be worthless then? why go and bitch about something if you don't want it changed? for the pure sake of bitching? and again we are seeing a surfer site come to live, not a business driven one.
If I lack the basic skills in sales then I must be a very good bluffer with the career success I have had and the material trappings I have gotten from it - I know I can sell, thats one thing I have no doubts on.
making a number is fine. doesn't say you made what could have been made though.
This thread is doing wonders for my post count :)
Cant blame you for not reading it all :lmao2:
I guess this all comes down to whether I want this to be a business or a hobby - I had hoped I could have it as business and keep the integrity of the site but am increasingly thinking its not possible. Webmasters just dont seem to like or value criticism no matter how constructive it is!
I think that you really need to speak with the site owners rather than webmasters.
For example: A smoking fetish site - You give a porn perspective of what you want, but your text constantly shows Smoking, nudity and smoking, sex and smoking, but, no good to you because it ain't outright porn! - The smoking fetishist will realise you know fuck all and will probably join, making you some cash.
awesome approach, original. nifty way to handle every niche one isn't too informed about. :)
This thread is doing wonders for my post count :)
:)
So why bother?
There is more to life than money - it will give me something to do in the evenings especially while Im recuperating from my surgery plus from the reviews I have done so far its something I have enjoyed doing!
I agree with the point someone made earlier - I am coming at this from the surfers viewpoint and am running the site as a surfer and not as a business.
I think that you really need to speak with the site owners rather than webmasters.
Again fair point - an incorrect assumption on my part to assume that all webmasters own the sites they look after.
making a number is fine. doesn't say you made what could have been made though.
Ah come on that statement is totally worthless - how can anyone ever quantify what they could have made? Your site could sell 5000 subs this week and you should rightly feel proud but who is to say it couldnt have done 10k or more? All any sales person can do is perform against the targets they are set which, in theory anyway, are set by people with the knowledge of the market and trends and other boring things like that!
I agree with the point someone made earlier - I am coming at this from the surfers viewpoint and am running the site as a surfer and not as a business.
I am not seeing any upside for the site owner? I really do wish you well but am I missing something?
I am coming at this from the surfers viewpoint and am running the site as a surfer and not as a business.
You are posting on an adult webmaster board for fucks sake. We are in business.
I am not seeing any upside for the site owner? I really do wish you well but am I missing something?
The upside is IF, in my humble unqualified yadda yadda yadda opinion, they have a good site then I will say so and hopefully it will generate sales for them - all Im saying is that if they dont have a good site Im not going to say its good.
Tell you what how about you all submit one of your sites for review on the pretext that I CANNOT and WILL NOT use the review for my site without your express permission and I will then send you the review so you can form your own opinion of my abilities or lack thereof? I will even send a copy of the scoring methodology I used for the site so you can see where the numbers came from as well.
Thats why your analogy doesnt work against me
i'd like to stress that nothing is even supposed to work against you. obviously i can only speak for my posts, it does appear to be the case with all replies you get though.
my site isnt a shop as such - my site is more like Top Gear or a computer magazine. Im not actually selling the end product - Im reviewing it and recommending it or not as the case may be. You are the shop or the car company or the computer manufacturer - you are the person having the review done on your products, all my site is is a directory of reviews.
you are aware how reviews like the mentioned mags work? you did notice that items with good reviews are often also sported on full page ads in the same issue? coincidence, you reckon?
Im not bothered if the site works as a money maker or not - yeah it would be nice to make some beer money from it but I dont need the money.
seems you are also not bothered if you hurt anyone's business with what is purely your personal view.
I dont see why you keep harping back to it being a bitch site though
it may have to do with your original post?
Your last point on chargebacks is a fair point and yes its one I didnt take into account but it doesnt ultimately strengthen or weaken either of our arguments
beg to differ. it clearly strengthens my argument that you should avoid negative comments but highlight the advantages one site offers and being rather brief on less satisfying sites. the surfer has the tool of charging back, if they are fucked over - although i assume here you wouldn't actually list a site like that to begin with.
I know I have never done a chargeback even when I have been wholly unsatisfied, I just take on the chin and try and learn for again.
which is your choice. the next guy's milage will vary.
You are posting on an adult webmaster board for fucks sake. We are in business.
My site is adult related and I am a webmaster (of some form anyway) so I believe I have a right to be here - there are adult sites out there which arent there for make money and this just happens to be one that could fit in that category.
The upside is IF, in my humble unqualified yadda yadda yadda opinion, they have a good site then I will say so and hopefully it will generate sales for them - all Im saying is that if they dont have a good site Im not going to say its good.
Tell you what how about you all submit one of your sites for review on the pretext that I CANNOT and WILL NOT use the review for my site without your express permission and I will then send you the review so you can form your own opinion of my abilities or lack thereof? I will even send a copy of the scoring methodology I used for the site so you can see where the numbers came from as well.
How much traffic have you got?
Jase you seem to have missed the whole concept ! The webmaster is your customer not the surfer. Your still thinking like a surfer and your not. Your new job is ! "Webmaster" selling and marketing, sorry dude but you need to change your way of thinking
Webmasters just dont seem to like or value criticism no matter how constructive it is!
i take it by webmasters you mean the actual owners of a site, as they are the only ones to make changes to it really.
anyway, let's use another example.
you just sold me one of your 250k+ IT systems. i notice some faults in how things were handled. would you like to meet up for a chat or shall i publish an open letter in the Sunday Times?
as a site owner, will i prefer you to talk to me or trash my site on your review pages?
My site is adult related and I am a webmaster (of some form anyway) so I believe I have a right to be here - there are adult sites out there which arent there for make money and this just happens to be one that could fit in that category.
I think what you are aiming to do would work better as a blog. A "review site" seems a bit of a crusade to me but a blog would make sense plus you would pick up great traffic too.
it may have to do with your original post?
you are aware how reviews like the mentioned mags work? you did notice that items with good reviews are often also sported on full page ads in the same issue? coincidence, you reckon?
My original post didnt say it would be bitch site - it said I was a hard bastard and ultra critical but that doesnt mean Im gonna be bitch about all the sites I review, it means Im gonna be honest and call a spade a spade.
Not coincedence at all - the magazine sales people have been very smart and used it as a tool to get more advertising revenue from the company.
How much traffic have you got?
Right now none whatsoever as its not even something I have contemplated yet - I cant launch the site without some reviews on there so for now Im concentrating on getting some content on the site and then will start the really hard bit.
Ah come on that statement is totally worthless - how can anyone ever quantify what they could have made?
it's just as worthless - or not - as your wonderful argument about your success in sales. just adding some perspective to it.
how come you didn't answer the actual point?
let me repeat it:
Originally Posted by Jase
Im not telling anyone how to do anything - Im offering my opinion.
so your statements will in fact be worthless then? why go and bitch about something if you don't want it changed? for the pure sake of bitching?
seems a bit pointless, no?
i take it by webmasters you mean the actual owners of a site, as they are the only ones to make changes to it really.
anyway, let's use another example.
you just sold me one of your 250k+ IT systems. i notice some faults in how things were handled. would you like to meet up for a chat or shall i publish an open letter in the Sunday Times?
as a site owner, will i prefer you to talk to me or trash my site on your review pages?
You are using the wrong analogy again - lets say you are a reviewer for PC Pro magazine and I send you one of my systems for review. You review it and you think its pretty pants - what do you do?
Right now none whatsoever as its not even something I have contemplated yet - I cant launch the site without some reviews on there so for now Im concentrating on getting some content on the site and then will start the really hard bit.
So we are all pissing in the wind.
Why did I get involved in this thread?
My original post didnt say it would be bitch site - it said I was a hard bastard and ultra critical but that doesnt mean Im gonna be bitch about all the sites I review, it means Im gonna be honest and call a spade a spade.
now that's nit picking. :lmao2:
it's just as worthless - or not - as your wonderful argument about your success in sales. just adding some perspective to it.
how come you didn't answer the actual point?
let me repeat it:
so your statements will in fact be worthless then? why go and bitch about something if you don't want it changed? for the pure sake of bitching?
seems a bit pointless, no?
It wasnt me who brought up anything about selling or about my background in sales - some else did (dunno if it was you or not) and I replied.
My statements are not worthless or at least they shouldnt be - a webmaster should look at the review and decide if they agree or not. If they dont they are welcome to contact me to talk about it (as it states in the T&C) - if they do then have some feedback from someone looking at their site from a surfers viewpoint which should make their site better and therefore genertate more sales. Im not forcing them to listen to or agree with what I say - Im offering an opinion.
You are using the wrong analogy again - lets say you are a reviewer for PC Pro magazine and I send you one of my systems for review. You review it and you think its pretty pants - what do you do?
you must stop calling things wrong by default just beause you don't get the point. :)
your argument is the contructive criticism you aim for. are you saying going live with a trash report is constructive?
now that's nit picking. :lmao2:
No its not - a bitch site implies that all I am going to do is highlight the bad points and ignore the good points.
Let me give you an example of a review conclusion I did tonight:
"I really like this site - the layout is simple and effective. The movies are great quality and every single one is shot well and a joy to watch.
If you are looking for real XXXXX action movies then this site is definitely worth a look. If the site had more content and updated more frequently then I think it would have gone straight into our gold section - as it is its a good site but one which with a little more time and effort could be excellent!"
I dont think that constitutes a bitch..........
you must stop calling things wrong by default just beause you don't get the point. :)
your argument is the contructive criticism you aim for. are you saying going live with a trash report is constructive?
In my opinion yes - its constructive for the surfer as it lets him know what I thought of what he considering parting with his money for and it lets the webmaster know what one surfer thought of his site. Maybe it will make him realise that his movies are a little dark or that his pics are too small or maybe he will think "fuck him, what a knob" - either way its constructive feedback as it gives someones HONEST opinion.
The easy solution to all this is dont ask for a review if you are afraid of getting a shit one - if you are confident in your site and are happy that its a good site then go ahead and ask for a review.
It wasnt me who brought up anything about selling or about my background in sales - some else did (dunno if it was you or not) and I replied.
it was me, and i stand by my numbers comment. we can always make this a rather pointless dick size contest. trust me, with a background in costructions, i win that one hands down. houses and bridges tend to be a tad more expensive. :D
anyway ...
My statements are not worthless or at least they shouldnt be - a webmaster should look at the review and decide if they agree or not. If they dont they are welcome to contact me to talk about it (as it states in the T&C) - if they do then have some feedback from someone looking at their site from a surfers viewpoint which should make their site better and therefore genertate more sales. Im not forcing them to listen to or agree with what I say - Im offering an opinion.
see, that is where you go wrong, you intend to publish a negative report, that's not constructive criticism, that's serving your surfer friends.
it appears you mix up serving them on one hand and offering something to webmasters on the other.
sadly those two opposites do not work well together.
The easy solution to all this is
i do appreciate you admitting to go for the easy solution rather than the good one. :)
it was me, and i stand by my numbers comment. we can always make this a rather pointless dick size contest. trust me, with a background in costructions, i win that one hands down. houses and bridges tend to be a tad more expensive. :D
anyway ...
see, that is where you go wrong, you intend to publish a negative report, that's not constructive criticism, that's serving your surfer friends.
it appears you mix up serving them on one hand and offering something to webmasters on the other.
sadly those two opposites do not work well together.
The point wasnt about the actual numbers - the point was about how well I could have done. It doesnt matter if you are selling something at a million quid a unit or 5p a unit - what matters is your achievement in terms of what you are expected to do by your superiors and what you expect yourself to do.
Thats exactly the point I made about 20 posts ago - I now realise that in some cases the two will not go together and there will be a conflict. At the moment my feeling is that I will always come down on the side of the surfer as that was always my goal from the first day I thought about doing this.
i do appreciate you admitting to go for the easy solution rather than the good one. :)
You should work for a tabloid with quoting skills like that :eyebrows:
Thats exactly the point I made about 20 posts ago - I now realise that in some cases the two will not go together and there will be a conflict. At the moment my feeling is that I will always come down on the side of the surfer as that was always my goal from the first day I thought about doing this.
the way to make a few bob would be to have ads for sites selling similar stuff to those you review in a negative fashion next to the review text. will work for some time at least...
You should work for a tabloid with quoting skills like that :eyebrows:
compliment back atcha, you should go into politics with your selective reading and answering. ;)
the way to make a few bob would be to have ads for sites selling similar stuff to those you review in a negative fashion next to the review text. will work for some time at least...
I had thought about doing that but from the angle of at the bottom of each review have a random featured review of a similar type so the surfer can compare the two but need to give it some more thought about how to implement it.
compliment back atcha, you should go into politics with your selective reading and answering. ;)
I genuinely havent been conciously selectively reading and answering but, hey, when you are surrounded you do what it takes lol
I genuinely havent been conciously selectively reading and answering but, hey, when you are surrounded you do what it takes lol
obviously the thing to do would have been to buy a round.
Right now none whatsoever as its not even something I have contemplated yet - I cant launch the site without some reviews on there so for now Im concentrating on getting some content on the site and then will start the really hard bit.
So you want a whole load of free memberships from a whole load of sites for traffic you don’t have then you are going to roll your sleeves up (and presumably your trousers down) and go to work? Then give site owners absolutely worthless feedback to ensure that you waste their time as well as their bandwidth?
Sounds like one hell of a hobby and those long winter evenings are going to just zip by.
obviously the thing to do would have been to buy a round.
I will quite happily buy a round for anyone on the board whether they have agreed with me, disagreed with me or just looked at this and thought they couldnt be arsed to join in. There have been a lot of very valid points made tonight and some of them have opened my eyes to some things I hadnt considered before so, while feeling a little beaten, its been a worthwhile exercise. See? Constructive criticism works :lmao2:
So you want a whole load of free memberships from a whole load of sites for traffic you don’t have then you are going to roll your sleeves up (and presumably your trousers down) and go to work? Then give site owners absolutely worthless feedback to ensure that you waste their time as well as their bandwidth?
Sounds like one hell of a hobby and those long winter evenings are going to just zip by.
Free memberships? Any webmaster is welcome to monitor how long I am on their site for and what I download - on average I am on a site for about 2 hours and download 5 movies / clips per site just so I can try and work out an average resolution, bit rate, size and duration. Generally I take 5 pics per site and look at probably 30 or 40 just to check again the resolution and quality etc. Of the sites I have reviewed so far I havent downloaded one single complete movie - I have downloaded part of one and part of another. Not gonna make for much of a porn collection but bearing in mind I have in excess of 200 porn DVDs and 2 x 200GB external drives full of the stuff I dont somehow think what Im going to download in 2 hours is going to make much difference to me or to you.
If you believe the feedback will be worthless then dont submit a site - Im not twisting your arm or anyone elses. As it happens a few on here have a different opinion and have submitted their sites for review and I will be interested to hear their feedback once the reviews are published - if they say Im shite and Im wrong then I will happily close up shop and cut my losses and run but I wonder if they agree with me and say I have done a fair job will you be man enough to admit you were wrong?
If you believe the feedback will be worthless then dont submit a site - Im not twisting your arm or anyone elses. As it happens a few on here have a different opinion and have submitted their sites for review and I will be interested to hear their feedback once the reviews are published - if they say Im shite and Im wrong then I will happily close up shop and cut my losses and run but I wonder if they agree with me and say I have done a fair job will you be man enough to admit you were wrong?
I am betting that they will be getting better reviews now than they would have possibly earlier today. :)
I am betting that they will be getting better reviews now than they would have possibly earlier today. :)
Pretty pointless me saying this but I can assure you they wont
So no one in this thread prepared to take me up on my offer of a review of one of their sites? I will happily pay for a months subscription if anyone is worried about wasting their bandwidth - wouldnt expect any of you to give me free access when Im so unqualified
SGD has had 4 reviews but only 3 are on line...
I gave the reason why in another thread... I'll just say again, that I'm now barred from all Rich Media programmes.. All the others gave me a preview and asked for my comments, which was a good idea, as I found a few mistakes prior to the review being launched, which were then corrected. All three of these on line did make negative comments and I didn't object as the positive far out weighed them and I'm quite happy to see them, and so must surfers be as I get sales from them :)
Jase... If you don't know a particular niche or it turns you off then, you can't give it a fair review and that will be a problem. If you know people who would review these sites as it's their thing.. Get them to do it rather than screw up yourself :)
Just my comments from experience :)
I think the thing that puts me off is the fact you seem to be doing this as a hobby rather than a business.
I do agree with you that if the site owners are not confident in their site or can't handle a bad review then don't submit thier site.
It would be totally different if you were joining sites and doing reviews without the owners having asked for it, but if they are submitting then I don't see the problem.
I think if a review site never said anything negative then surfers wouldn't take much notice, but then like -HF said, you can review two sites in the same niche and give one a better review then the other without slagging one down (or words to that affect)
What you need to remember is that without webmasters submitting their sites for review you have no site, so to piss them off is probably not a good idea.
dvtimes
11-12-05, 01:29 PM
My input:
To me at lot of the 'review' sites are simply people realising that they can get to surfe porn sites for free.
But as for bad reviews, it amazes me how webmasters cannot handle a poor review.
A webmaster a few months ago asked me to check out his site.
I told him the truth, the members area was badly set out, I found most of the vid clips were missing. There was only 5 pics of each model (which seemed crumby to me). I said if you sorted this out, people may stay longer. He gave me a lot of verbal, how I was wrong. I notice that the site is now closed.
Sure I know nothing about being a webmaster, I admit that. But I look at it through the eyes of a surfer.
This is my rule of thumb.
1. If I join, can I basically download a few picks of each set you have on your site in a few hours? If so, I will not be a member long.
2. Do you update at least every two weeks? If not, not going to stay.
3. Are your vids of decent quality. Such as no hissy sound. Not hard to look at because you have made the file so small. No silly password needed to view the film clips.
4. Can I save the pics to harddrive. As in no silly right click save protection.
5. What does your site offer that others do not?
6. Is there something that will entertain me each day, such as games, or web cam chat with the models.
7. Is the content exclusive?
8. Is the members area full of annoying adverts?
9. Could I recommend the site to others?
If I have time I have joined some sites. And I have to admit, many (inc the BIG ones) are poor. If they were free I would have not been on long, but to pay, was just a waste of cash.
dvtimes
11-12-05, 01:36 PM
The other thing I would say is that from what I have seen, your only promoting ccbill sites that you can make cash from. So why would you want to promote a poor site.
The simple option is to politely email the site owner back, and say that you do not feel you can give a positive review, and list what you feel is wrong with the site. Allow him to make the changes, or not.
I always listen to comments from webmasters and others.
I have changed things on advise from others.
Of course I have disagreed too. The one comment people have given me is that my sites look very basic. Which is true. But I have had so many comments from people joining, telling me that's why they joined. It works for me, so I stick to it. I like the idea that all the site (content and site itself) is done by me.
But then again I do this for fun, and not business.
And I have no hang ups about people giving me a bad comment.
I also am not going to ramble on some junk on how I know everything, like some webmasters do (who clearly know less than me).
dvtimes
11-12-05, 01:50 PM
The best way to review a site, is to simply put a few facts about the site that surfers want to know, such as:
1. What is the content (such as solo girl, b/g, fetish).
2. A few sample pics and vid.
3. No of sets
4. Average no of pics/vids in each set.
5. Is the content exclusive.
6. Do you have access to other sites.
7. How often are updates made.
8. What else do you get in the members area (such as games).
9. How long has the site been run.
10. Are the models exclusive to the site.
11. How much does it cost.
12. What payment system do they use (such as ccbill).
13. Is it easy to join.
14. Is it fast loading.
15. Can you contact the webmaster with ease if there is a problem.
and so on...........
To me a review is just blar blar blar. I just want to see the facts. Not interested in peoples opinions and bullshit that they type to justify there effort, as often its just the usual tripe.
I think the thing that puts me off is the fact you seem to be doing this as a hobby rather than a business.
I do agree with you that if the site owners are not confident in their site or can't handle a bad review then don't submit thier site.
It would be totally different if you were joining sites and doing reviews without the owners having asked for it, but if they are submitting then I don't see the problem.
I think if a review site never said anything negative then surfers wouldn't take much notice, but then like -HF said, you can review two sites in the same niche and give one a better review then the other without slagging one down (or words to that affect)
What you need to remember is that without webmasters submitting their sites for review you have no site, so to piss them off is probably not a good idea.
Actually until last night Geezer I had planned to do this as a business - for the amount of time, effort and money I have spent on this (not to mention the investment in time it will take to keep adding reviews) I would like to get some sort of return but if what was being said last night is a true reflection of how review sites work in general and how webmasters expect them to operate then I dont think I can view it as a business and still feel as though Im being true to myself and the surfers.
I would quite happily join sites and post reviews without the webasters knowledge but Im not sure of the legal angle especially if I saif something they didnt like - because they didnt give their approval for a review then I would imagine I could be forced to take it down pretty quickly and easily.
I dont intend to piss anyone off - my intention is not to make everyone sites look like they shit even when they arent but, at the same time, if it is crap Im not gonna say its good and Im certainly not going to recommend it to anyone reading my site. Having said that if a site is good then I am gonna say its good or if its great I am gonna say its great (and these are all just my opinions remember) so the only people who have anything to fear are those people with poor sites in my eyes anyway.
This all depends on what people define as slagging - even if a site is poor Im not gonna say something like "this is a pile of shite, keep away", Im more likely to say "this site doesnt live up to its potential because of XYZ and as things stand at the moment I find it difficult to recommend joining this site to anyone" - a little bit more politically correct with the same message but with at the very least reasons why I cant recommend it at that given point in time. At that point most people in business would look at the feedback, decide if the comments are accurate, make some changes and then they are welcome to resubmit the site again. On the flip side if they decide Im talking bollocks then they can leave it as it is and the surfers will decide - they may still join and then decide I was right or wrong and in either case they can come back to my site and add their rating to the review. If I find that the surfer averages is round about my average then I think I will be doing a pretty good job - if I find there are wild differences then Im obviously not cut out for this game and I will happily walk away.
dvtimes
11-12-05, 01:57 PM
Last thing:
Honest, impartial porn reviews of adult paysites - find out which are worth spending your hard earned money on BEFORE parting with a penny!
This is not strictly true as your only promoting ccbill sites that have an affiliate scheme (unless I am wrong) so by definition you cannot be impartial, as by definition you do have a value interest in the sites. So your statement is misleading.
Its a bit like saying your giving an impartial view on telephone firms, but only mention those that give you commission. If you do not mention others firms, your not being impartial, rather biased.
Last thing:
Honest, impartial porn reviews of adult paysites - find out which are worth spending your hard earned money on BEFORE parting with a penny!
This is not strictly true as your only promoting ccbill sites that have an affiliate scheme (unless I am wrong) so by definition you cannot be impartial, as by definition you do have a value interest in the sites. So your statement is misleading.
Its a bit like saying your giving an impartial view on telephone firms, but only mention those that give you commission. If you do not mention others firms, your not being impartial, rather biased.
Actually not technically true any longer as I am now working on changing the system to a site can either have a recip or an affiliate program - also remember that even if a site has an affiliate program and its poor Im still gonna say its poor. And yes thats gonna cost me money cos if I said it was good I might get a few signups out of it but so be it.
Im also not only promoting CCBill sites - that is the only option currently on the list as Im adding more as and when I find them. Some of the submissions so far have been using their own affiliate programs and some have been using other mainstream ones but not CCBill.
dvtimes
11-12-05, 02:09 PM
Actually not technically true any longer as I am now working on changing the system to a site can either have a recip or an affiliate program - also remember that even if a site has an affiliate program and its poor Im still gonna say its poor. And yes thats gonna cost me money cos if I said it was good I might get a few signups out of it but so be it.
Im also not only promoting CCBill sites - that is the only option currently on the list as Im adding more as and when I find them. Some of the submissions so far have been using their own affiliate programs and some have been using other mainstream ones but not CCBill.
when will your site be open?
I am happy for you to do my site(s) on www.uksweet.com (http://www.uksweet.com).
I can set you up a temp password, just email me at admin@uksweet.com and I will send you one, but you will need to use it when send it, as I never like to leave the door open for long.
You can also make cash from my site (see http://www.beerandbollocks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1807)
when will your site be open?
I am happy for you to do my site(s) on www.uksweet.com (http://www.uksweet.com).
I can set you up a temp password, just email me at admin@uksweet.com and I will send you one, but you will need to use it when send it, as I never like to leave the door open for long.
You can also make cash from my site (see http://www.beerandbollocks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1807)
At the moment Im finalising the layout with my designer and then I gotta integrate that into the site which should only take half a day or so and from then Im ready to go live as soon as but like I said last night I want to have some reviews done before then. Only thing I still have to do now is the affiliate v recip part which should be done by Monday assuming all goes to plan.
Submit your site whenever you like so at leasts is on the list and I wont forget about it but just enter meaningless junk into the password fields and I will email you when Im ready to do the review.
dvtimes
11-12-05, 05:45 PM
At the moment Im finalising the layout with my designer and then I gotta integrate that into the site which should only take half a day or so and from then Im ready to go live as soon as but like I said last night I want to have some reviews done before then. Only thing I still have to do now is the affiliate v recip part which should be done by Monday assuming all goes to plan.
Submit your site whenever you like so at leasts is on the list and I wont forget about it but just enter meaningless junk into the password fields and I will email you when Im ready to do the review.ok
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