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Last week we were contacted by a UK adult mag who want to do a feature on one of our sites http://www.the-sexy-exhibitionist.com They want an interview and to use a few pics that we select from the site but then they write to us saying that the pics must be a resolution of 2551x 3579 pixels :eek: Fuck! we shoot at less than half that on our Nikon Coolpix 5000.
It's prompted us to look for a better camera and was looking at the Nikon D70 that was recommended on a previous thread here. The camera looks great but the one big drawback for us is that the LCD viewfinder is fixed and ideally we want (and are used to) a pivoting viewfinder because we shoot a lot of outdoors flashing shots and the pivoting viewfinder enables us to do that a bit more discreetly.
So, I've been looking around and found this 10 megapixel Sony that's just coming onto the market. I use only Sony Video cameras and love em but never really considered Sony still cameras before.
Can anyone here who knows a bit about photography take a look at this and let us know what you think of the camera please?
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/sonydscr1/
it comes into stock next week and will be around £580
cheers,
alan
Why bother unless you are planning on doing magazine work. If the quality is good enough for the net then there you go, save your money or better still send it to me ;)
Last week we were contacted by a UK adult mag who want to do a feature on one of our sites http://www.the-sexy-exhibitionist.com They want an interview and to use a few pics that we select from the site but then they write to us saying that the pics must be a resolution of 2551x 3579 pixels :eek: Fuck! we shoot at less than half that on our Nikon Coolpix 5000.
It's prompted us to look for a better camera and was looking at the Nikon D70 that was recommended on a previous thread here. The camera looks great but the one big drawback for us is that the LCD viewfinder is fixed and ideally we want (and are used to) a pivoting viewfinder because we shoot a lot of outdoors flashing shots and the pivoting viewfinder enables us to do that a bit more discreetly.
So, I've been looking around and found this 10 megapixel Sony that's just coming onto the market. I use only Sony Video cameras and love em but never really considered Sony still cameras before.
Can anyone here who knows a bit about photography take a look at this and let us know what you think of the camera please?
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/sonydscr1/
it comes into stock next week and will be around £580
cheers,
alan
We are are looking for a "silent" camera for use in the studio and that looks interesting but I would be concerned about the lack of TTL viewfinder. Are these actually in the shops now?
We are are looking for a "silent" camera for use in the studio and that looks interesting but I would be concerned about the lack of TTL viewfinder. Are these actually in the shops now?
I saw this review: "Just a quick on the internal flash: imaging-resource.com mentions in their pre-release test that the internal flash is VERY powerful, and offers true TTL metering. I personally will be purchasing one of these cameras, as well as an external flash."
dvtimes
11-06-05, 12:47 PM
If its just for the mag, get a 35mm slr, then get a pro lab to scan the shots.
I saw this review: "Just a quick on the internal flash: imaging-resource.com mentions in their pre-release test that the internal flash is VERY powerful, and offers true TTL metering. I personally will be purchasing one of these cameras, as well as an external flash."
Yes all cameras have TTL metering but not all digital non-SLRs have a real TTL viewfinder. Some force you to use the crappy LCD viewfinder for everything and in most cases thats not good enough for serious content shoots.
If its just for the mag, get a 35mm slr, then get a pro lab to scan the shots.
If you own a website that would be a complete waste of time and money.
Yes all cameras have TTL metering but not all digital non-SLRs have a real TTL viewfinder. Some force you to use the crappy LCD viewfinder for everything and in most cases thats not good enough for serious content shoots.
Oh right, sorry I got the wrong end of the stick :)
In the pic though it looks like it does have it cos you can see the rubber viewfinder thingymajig.
Oh right, sorry I got the wrong end of the stick :)
In the pic though it looks like it does have it cos you can see the rubber viewfinder thingymajig.
:)
Yea, I saw that too but I think that where the lense is off-set that will be a little B&W display or something?
We are are looking for a "silent" camera for use in the studio and that looks interesting but I would be concerned about the lack of TTL viewfinder. Are these actually in the shops now?
I only ever use the LCD so a lack of TTL doesn't worry me. In the review they are saying good things about the quality of image in the LCD though.
We've phoned Jessops and they can't give me a delivery date (and will also be charging £699.99 [wankers]) and all the sites advertising it on the net are saying end of November, all but one, who say they should have them in next week.
All the sites already have a waiting list for them (between 5 & 12). The place we're thinking of buying one from have a waiting list of 5 and they're expecting 20 in next week so I spoke to them on the phone and we've provisionally arranged to drive down and pick one up at £580.
I only ever use the LCD so a lack of TTL doesn't worry me. In the review they are saying good things about the quality of image in the LCD though.
We've phoned Jessops and they can't give me a delivery date (and will also be charging £699.99 [wankers]) and all the sites advertising it on the net are saying end of November, all but one, who say they should have them in next week.
All the sites already have a waiting list for them (between 5 & 12). The place we're thinking of buying one from have a waiting list of 5 and they're expecting 20 in next week so I spoke to them on the phone and we've provisionally arranged to drive down and pick one up at £580.
In your case I would give it a go for sure. Have you tried Calumet? They are a pro dealer and will be able to help you more.
Thanks SGS, will take a look.
Here's what it says in the spec about Viewfinder:
• Electronic Viewfinder with dioptre adjustment
• 0.44" TFT LCD
• 235,200 pixels
Thanks SGS, will take a look.
Here's what it says in the spec about Viewfinder:
• Electronic Viewfinder with dioptre adjustment
• 0.44" TFT LCD
• 235,200 pixels
Yes, its the electronic viewfinder that is the problem but as it has no mirror and if it's truly silent then we will take a look at it too.
Calumet link... (http://www.calumetphoto.com/ctl?ac.ui.pn=home.Home&=&=&PAGE=Controller&caller=chooseCountryForm&syrinx.ui.cc=Y&ac.ck.pv=US&ac.ck.rq=add&ac.ck.nm=CPICountry&ac.ck.ma=15552000&ac.cart.tempid=-2&selectUK_en.x=35&selectUK_en.y=14&selectUK_en=na&SaveCountryChoiceCB=Y)
Yes, its the electronic viewfinder that is the problem but as it has no mirror and if it's truly silent then we will take a look at it too.
Calumet link... (http://www.calumetphoto.com/ctl?ac.ui.pn=home.Home&=&=&PAGE=Controller&caller=chooseCountryForm&syrinx.ui.cc=Y&ac.ck.pv=US&ac.ck.rq=add&ac.ck.nm=CPICountry&ac.ck.ma=15552000&ac.cart.tempid=-2&selectUK_en.x=35&selectUK_en.y=14&selectUK_en=na&SaveCountryChoiceCB=Y)
That link is redirecting me to the Camulet home page. I did a search for Sony on their site and couldn't find the R1 there.
That link is redirecting me to the Camulet home page. I did a search for Sony on their site and couldn't find the R1 there.
Yes, I would ring them and actually speak to someone there.
Cheers, will do. If they are getting them in next week a drive to Manchester is better than to Northampton for me.
Time is of the essence really and we hope that the extra exposure (sign ups) the site gets from this mag feature will offset the cost of the camera.
Cheers, will do. If they are getting them in next week a drive to Manchester is better than to Northamptom for me.
Time is of the essence really and we hope that the extra exposure (sign ups) the site gets from this mag feature will offset the cost of the camera.
They are very helpful at Calumet on the pro side and we use them for all of our stills stuff. :)
If its purely for this magazine, I'd agree with DV... use yr normal camera then get it scanned... easy and cheap solutions....
Who needs 10Meg images anyway????? I'm still using canon 10d, which at large Jpeg produces image of 2.3mb.... fine for web, and I'm having 1 image blown up on an A0 poster for my stand at Erotica... will let u know what its like...
The problem with these highend slr type pro sumer cameras is they're more sumer than pro and things like the write speed and focus speed are not all they should be.... plus yr hindered by lenses... but if your determined, check out the panasonic range.... the Leica lens on them are best by far...
The problem with these highend slr type pro sumer cameras is they're more sumer than pro and things like the write speed and focus speed are not all they should be
Those 2 things you mentioned are what annoys me most about my cannon rebel ... nice to have an slr of some kind, but next camera i get will be more point & shooty i reckon ...
daveydude
11-06-05, 04:01 PM
Avoid Jessops like the plague - they charge top whack and none of the assistants has a clue about professional kit.
cock-a-leekie
11-06-05, 04:36 PM
If its just for the mag, get a 35mm slr, then get a pro lab to scan the shots.
Agreed. Why buy a 10m-pixel integrated lens camera for a one off job. The D70 you mentioned (or the D50 for that matter) are both excellent, cheap DSL’s that will give you great photos for web-work.
If you are using this job as an excuse to upgrade your slow-ish, aging nikon5000, which aint a bad camera (I know, I have one) then I'd go for either a cannon or Nikon Dslr of 6m pixels and an old film camera. Buying a real Dslr (with a seperate body) also gets you on to a proprietary system if you decide to invest on some nice lenses or flash units in the future.
If magazine work will be a once in a blue moon thing, why not buy a second hand 35mm pentax/cannon/olympus/nikon - whatever, with a zoom lens and flash gun off ebay for about £60. You're looking at around £10 per roll of process paid 36exp film and £2 per individual 4000dpi slide scan. This will get you resolution of over 5000 pixels on the longest side (about half what 35mm is capable of via a drum scan, but enough for your needs and cheaper too)
So if you shoot and process 100 pics, pick out 10 of the best for publishing, this will cost you £50 and you'll still have all 100 slides that can be rescanned at any time in the next 30yrs before the emulsions begin to fade.
Now all you need to do is flog your 35mm camera back on ebay if you don't want it and get your £60 back. If you're really shrewd in what you've bought you could even make a few quid on it. All in all this process should'nt take more than a couple of weeks, and should only set you back around £50 at the most, leaving you plenty of money to buy a real Dslr with interchangeable lenses.
Cardinal_Sin
11-06-05, 05:53 PM
Last week we were contacted by a UK adult mag who want to do a feature on one of our sites http://www.the-sexy-exhibitionist.com They want an interview and to use a few pics that we select from the site but then they write to us saying that the pics must be a resolution of 2551x 3579 pixels :eek: Fuck! we shoot at less than half that on our Nikon Coolpix 5000.
It's prompted us to look for a better camera and was looking at the Nikon D70 that was recommended on a previous thread here. The camera looks great but the one big drawback for us is that the LCD viewfinder is fixed and ideally we want (and are used to) a pivoting viewfinder because we shoot a lot of outdoors flashing shots and the pivoting viewfinder enables us to do that a bit more discreetly.
So, I've been looking around and found this 10 megapixel Sony that's just coming onto the market. I use only Sony Video cameras and love em but never really considered Sony still cameras before.
Can anyone here who knows a bit about photography take a look at this and let us know what you think of the camera please?
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/sonydscr1/
it comes into stock next week and will be around £580
cheers,
alan
Sony are making some pretty good stuff nowadays - I got the DSC-F828 when it came out about 2 years ago and if this camera is anything to go by, their new stuff will be pretty good.
Thanks to all for your input.
cock-a-leekie like I mentioned in my original post, I'd looked at the D70 but the fixed LCD made that a no-no. This mag job isn't just an excuse to upgrade, I don't need an excuse to upgrade but it did make me think of upgrading. The nikon5000 was good in it's day but so was the 28k modem.
The sony won't just be used for this one off job but won't always shoot at the size this job requires.
gawdi some good points about the focus speed and write speed. I'll have to look further into that because when I'm shooting flashing pics I don't want to be slowed down by the camera.
600 quid is in no way going to break the bank and anything up to a grand for a camera upgrade is worth the investment. I have never used anything but a digital and wouldn't even know where to start with a 35mm :) I'm not a photographer, I just take pics and want a decentish camera to compensate.
Adding new lenses? What the fuck for? I saw a lens on the pic of it :lmao2:
If I can get 3 years out of a 600 quid camera and it means we get this mag spot and it saves us time on shoots and it means I save an extra 20 pics from a shoot I'm happy.
The main thing I'm now worried about is the speeds gawdi mentioned.
cheers for helping everyone
cock-a-leekie
11-06-05, 07:44 PM
I'm not a photographer, I just take pics and want a decentish camera to compensate.
Adding new lenses? What the fuck for? I saw a lens on the pic of it :lmao2:
Gotcha :thumbsup:
It's not about adding new lenses, it's about using different lenses to enable you to do things that are impossible with a fixed lens camera, but since you're not a photographer I doubt it would ever be an issue anyway.
On the plus side, with the Sony you won't need to worry about getting dust on the CCD. I think the Sony is a very nice prosumer cam btw.
Speeds are a problem...... and hearing more abour what u wanna do, y'll need an external flash........ the camera has a hot shoe, I suggest u see waht metz have thats compatible..... but expect 2 pay another 300 quid on flash...
have a look at www.warehouseexpress.com
ohh and dont forget sony use those horrible memory sticks.. instead of companct flash cards so you'll need say 2Gb of stick space too....
Speeds are a problem...... and hearing more abour what u wanna do, y'll need an external flash........ the camera has a hot shoe, I suggest u see waht metz have thats compatible..... but expect 2 pay another 300 quid on flash...
have a look at www.warehouseexpress.com
ohh and dont forget sony use those horrible memory sticks.. instead of companct flash cards so you'll need say 2Gb of stick space too....
gawdi, why would I need an external flash if I'm using it primarily outdoors?
and here's the storage from the spec:
• Memory Stick / Memory Stick Pro
• Compact Flash Type I/II
• Supports FAT32 (cards over 2 GB)
• No storage included
and even a pic:
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/SonyDSCR1/Images/compartment01.jpg
I use 2 gig flash cards and it takes them
:confused:
what happened to real cameras .... i want my canon t90 back and a roll of fp4 :cry:
cock-a-leekie
11-07-05, 02:48 AM
:doh: what happened to real cameras .... i want my canon t90 back and a roll of fp4 :cry:
No can do on the T90, but I'll see your FP4 and raise you a roll of Tmax3200.
My God I'm such a sad bastard to actually have a roll in my kit bag :doh:
wowza - good stuff :))
pssssst - got any hp5 guv?
cock-a-leekie
11-07-05, 03:13 AM
wowza - good stuff :))
pssssst - got any hp5 guv?
Nah, but I got some pan100 and a roll of Delta400.
Just to prove what an anorak I am (not that you're doubting it by now), here's a roll of Velvia & kodachrome 64. Fuck me I need to get out more :(
delta 400 ... now yer talking ... seriously nice film..... :blush:
You develop/print yer own stuff?
cock-a-leekie
11-07-05, 04:14 AM
delta 400 ... now yer talking ... seriously nice film..... :blush:
You develop/print yer own stuff?
Yes but not recently, we moved last year and I haven't got round to converting the loft into a dark room (yet)
Nothing fancy, just the standard kit with a Durst 370.
Gave my luddite dad my old SQ, RZ and the 2 EOS1’s we started online with just a while back and he is in his element.
Velva............ hot shit that one.................
lovely depth of colour.....
gawdi, why would I need an external flash if I'm using it primarily outdoors?
and here's the storage from the spec:
• Memory Stick / Memory Stick Pro
• Compact Flash Type I/II
• Supports FAT32 (cards over 2 GB)
• No storage included
and even a pic:
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/SonyDSCR1/Images/compartment01.jpg
I use 2 gig flash cards and it takes them
:confused:
Well u can tell I didnt read the spec and mis interpretted yr requirements!!!! LOL
gawdi, why would I need an external flash if I'm using it primarily outdoors?
and here's the storage from the spec:
• Memory Stick / Memory Stick Pro
• Compact Flash Type I/II
• Supports FAT32 (cards over 2 GB)
• No storage included
and even a pic:
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/SonyDSCR1/Images/compartment01.jpg
I use 2 gig flash cards and it takes them
:confused:
Any update on the camera?
I bought a camera yesterday :) a Canon EOS 20D :)
I bought a camera yesterday :) a Canon EOS 20D :)
Excellent camera. :)
I ordered the new Sony R1 funny looking thing last night to see if it really is silent. Fingers crossed. :)
Any update on the camera?
SGS, the company I was in touch with was supposed to be receiving a shipment over a week ago, they have my number and were going to phone me when they had them in. I've heard nothing so I'll be looking around again today for a different supplier.
I see you have ordered one. You have found a place with them in stock or been put on a waiting list?
SGS, the company I was in touch with was supposed to be receiving a shipment over a week ago, they have my number and were going to phone me when they had them in. I've heard nothing so I'll be looking around again today for a different supplier.
I see you have ordered one. You have found a place with them in stock or been put on a waiting list?
Ordered it from here (http://www.creativevideo.co.uk/home/) together with a load of other Sony editing stuff and it should be in middle of next week with a bit of luck. I was just recommended the place and was ordering HDV video editing monitors and stuff and saw it so bought it as well.
Excellent camera. :)
I ordered the new Sony R1 funny looking thing last night to see if it really is silent. Fingers crossed. :)
Hopefully its a good starter camera, get me moving :)
I bought a camera yesterday :) a Canon EOS 20D :)
any particular reason why you didn't go for the 5D ?
Cardinal_Sin
11-25-05, 12:10 PM
Hopefully its a good starter camera, get me moving :)
It is a bit more than a starter camera - Gives great results - Also SGS's R1 is a nice box too - I have been using the F828 for a couple of years now - Digital is moving forward quite quickly now.
Hopefully its a good starter camera, get me moving :)
Its an excellent camera and you will love it :)
It is a bit more than a starter camera - Gives great results - Also SGS's R1 is a nice box too - I have been using the F828 for a couple of years now - Digital is moving forward quite quickly now.
Yes, we need the "silent" thing for shooting promo content during video shoots for the update page and it looks perfect for the job.
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