Please Help

[Kelli_J_77]

I just joined here and firstly would like to know why it says "Probably Spamming" under my username in the top corner of the Webmaster Arcade. This is first time I typed anything in here. What is this based on please, I dont want it to affect whether people reply to me.
My Problem is that I have been collecting content for one reason or another for several years and have decided to have a go at building a pay site to make some use of it.
I have thousands of images which I am already grouping up and editing, but I have loads of DV camcorder tapes full of stuff and I would like some advise on what is the best thing to do with them.
What is the best way of getting them from the DV tape into an editor? Which is the best editor to use for speed, ease of use, and no loss of quality? And what is the best file format for websites for best quality and best download time for website visitors?
Any comments would be appreciated.
Thanks
Kel x

[TGITC]

Your 'Probably spamming' cause its your first post... DONT WORRY... Everyone gets that first. Just make about 3 / 5 posts and it will change :)

Thats my bit of advice, I'll standback and let others answer your DV vid questions :)

+ Welcome BTW !

[Kelli_J_77]

..... so many spammers, assume all are until they prove otherwise, ok, thats cool then, I just thought it was something else and thought everyone would ignore the frustrations of the spamming biatch, lol.
thanks for the reply and the welcome.
Kel x

[rogue]

My Problem is that I have been collecting content for one reason or another for several years and have decided to have a go at building a pay site to make some use of it.


by collecting content, you mean stuff you have taken yourself?

[craig]

What is the best way of getting them from the DV tape into an editor? Kel x

Firewire - works every time

[Kelli_J_77]

The images and video are of me rather than that I have taken.
The advice I am looking for really is how best to use what I have. I have just got a firewire port because my pc didnt have one and a cable, but then what........ do I need some software to go with it? will it come directly off the camcorder into editing in the format I need for a website?

[Video Rob]

What is this content like? Maybe you should post some samples here so people can give you advice as of whether to go forward with it or not.

Do you have any idea of how to promote your site to surfers and webmasters?

[redwhiteandblue]

Get yourself a copy of Adobe Premiere Elements, there's usually cheap OEM ones knocking around on Ebay somewhere (avoid the pirated copies though). That will do everything you need, from reading the tapes to editing them and rendering them out to .wmv files. Depending on how much footage you have you should look at buying one or more large external hard drives to store the raw .avi files on that get puled off the tapes. You'll also need a fair amount of RAM in your machine for this kind of work.

[Geezer]

I think it would be best to learn to walk first.

Just use Window Movie Maker...Jod Done, also won't cost you a bean cos it should already be on your machine.


Oh and another thing, get a thicker skin you fucking spamming bitch

[redwhiteandblue]

I don't think Windows Movie Maker can get the raw AVI off the tape can it? It can only edit the avi once you already have it.

[psl]

Welocme to the mad house Kel they call :bandb:

Are you a Englander, Scottish type, Welshy or even a
Janet Foreigner?:noway2:

[xcite-tv]

What is the best way of getting them from the DV tape into an editor? Which is the best editor to use for speed, ease of use, and no loss of quality? And what is the best file format for websites for best quality and best download time for website visitors?
Any comments would be appreciated.
Thanks
Kel x

You need an editing programme and a firewire connection to your PC

Editing programmes can range from very cheap to very expensive. Two good middle ground editing sofware packages are Adobe Premier and Sony Vegas visit their sites and get the best you can afford and download a trial to find whats easiest for you to use


You WILL always lose quality when compressing raw DV footage into useable formats for your site

try different settings when outputting but in my opinion always output to Windows Media files (WMV) as 99.9% of your taget audience want the view on Windows media player.

dont use free shit software, Windows movie maker is for kids...... be professional

[Johnny Kleenexxx]

Welcome to BAB and stuff

[Geezer]

I don't think Windows Movie Maker can get the raw AVI off the tape can it? It can only edit the avi once you already have it.


Yes it can, you simply click on "capture from device" then capture the bit you want, then edit with WMM ;)

[Paul Markham]

STOP.

Thinking about running a paysite, start pushing traffic and getting to know what this market is about and how it works. Then move up.

Or find someone who is doing a site with similar content as you have and do a deal.

The Net is about content, which you have, traffic and conversions. What you don't have is the tough one.

[blunt]

STOP.

http://patricklepak.com/images/Stop%20Hammer%20Time.bmp

[daveydude]

STOP.

Thinking about running a paysite, start pushing traffic and getting to know what this market is about and how it works. Then move up.

Or find someone who is doing a site with similar content as you have and do a deal.

The Net is about content, which you have, traffic and conversions. What you don't have is the tough one.

Good advice.

If you want to make a proper go of your site you ARE going to need help with marketing. Getting the content done isn't too tough so I'd concentrate on learning how to do that, and search for a partner to handle the rest. There's plenty of people here who can manage that side of things, meaning you could concentrate on making good content. With the right partner onboard, you'll make more money working together than you ever could by yourself.

[Venice]

Good luck whatever you decide to use and welcome to the bear pit...:cheer:

[Johnny Kleenexxx]

this thread is useless without pics

[tdf]

this thread is useless without pics
:agree:

[Paul Markham]

this thread is useless without pics
So do I.

Content is what you're selling, it's what will start the traffic moving, stopping and paying you money. We need to see if the content you have will do that. Some with tons of traffic think it's all about traffic, your chances of getting enough to make a site with poor content convert are slim to none.

If that sounds tough then you need to take notice of it.

[xcite-tv]

this thread is useless without pics

I disagree ....dont post any content

Paul Markham will just tell you it will never make money for various reasons

Geezer will tell you its the wrong niche and worth fuck all.

DVTimes will ask you to model for him.. DONT !!!

and 99% of the rest just want a wank

[TGITC]

I disagree ....dont post any content

Paul Markham will just tell you it will never make money for various reasons

Geezer will tell you its the wrong niche and worth fuck all.

DVTimes will ask you to model for him.. DONT !!!

and 99% of the rest just want a wank

errmmm... I could always make a tenuous reference to elephants if required?

[WordsforHire]

I disagree ....dont post any content

Paul Markham will just tell you it will never make money for various reasons

Geezer will tell you its the wrong niche and worth fuck all.

DVTimes will ask you to model for him.. DONT !!!

and 99% of the rest just want a wank
Lmfao

[Kelli_J_77]

Thanks for all the advice.
I am aware that promotion and traffic is as important as any site, and that a site is pointless if nobody sees it.
Thanks to xcite-tv for the advice on specific software and file formats. If I give Sony Vegas a try, will this pull footage straight off my dv tape in the format I choose? I'll give this a go.
Can I just ask though, what is the reason it will always lose quality?

[Paul Markham]

Paul Markham will just tell you it will never make money for various reasons

At least I give reasons.

Kelli_J_77 take an hour or two to go back a year and look at the newbies posting "Hi I'm new here" and see where they are now. The truth is this is not a new market looking for new sites and new webmasters. Established people find it tough. Without experience you will find it tougher.

Sorry if that sounds pessimistic, but it's the truth.

[redwhiteandblue]

Can I just ask though, what is the reason it will always lose quality?

Because...[deep breath]

The footage comes off the DV tape usually in a raw .avi format which is uncompressed and requires (I think, this is off the top of my head) 13Mb per second. Meaning each minute of video is 780Mb, so a 20 minute clip would be about 15Gb. That's why I said get a big hard drive, or several. You would never upload a video in that format to a website, because to download a 15Gb (Giga byte) movie with a 1Mb (Mega bit) broadband connection would take 120000 seconds (15000Mb x 8 bits ) or 33 hours.

So you have to compress it. In fact you need to compress it to a bitrate that enables most surfers to be able to watch it as it downloads with minimal buffering. The .wmv format can handle this.

EDIT: come to think of it, I think I've over-stated that size, I think it's 6.5Mb per second for raw .avi.

[xcite-tv]

Thanks to xcite-tv for the advice on specific software and file formats. If I give Sony Vegas a try, will this pull footage straight off my dv tape in the format I choose? I'll give this a go.


What RWB said about sizes and bitrates is right..


Sony Vegas pulls footage from your camera in AVI format which is the raw format and way to big a file size for the internet.

You will edit that footage in AVI and when the edit is finished you choose your output, both in screen size and bitrate. there is a standard WMV size and bitrate, for say 1mb broadband download speeds in Vegas, but you can change it to suit yourself ..

play with different sizes and bitrates until you get what you want..

Also when you edit, be ruthless, cut out as much shit as you can and make the edits quick and snappy, lingering too long on one shot gets boring. switching between shots you can still keep all the action in but it looks more finished. Then bring the next scene in gradually again using two angles of the same action switching between the two.. I am taking for granted the cameraman knew what he was doing and got enough angles of the right action.

If it was me i would try and go with Adobe as i find the timeline a pig to work with on with Vegas.. BUT Vegas does have better Fx and sound engineering capabilities.

But thats from someone who has used Premier for 9 years

[Paul Markham]

We are assuming you have a computer that will do this. Not the one you get out of Dixon's for 500 quid. Not trying to be funny but asking a relevant question. These guys can give you the operating system to do this.

[Jason]

come on, she has the content, so her costs of launching will most include time, not money.
when she got the site up, then she can start doing the marketing part of this business. which she will have tons of time to read up on while getting the site up. ask google to show you tutorials of marketing, read read read read, ask questions on forums such as this, learn learn.

I'd like to see a picture or two though, and know where about you are based.

also, we use sony vegas so another vote for that software!

[Paul Markham]

EDIT: come to think of it, I think I've over-stated that size, I think it's 6.5Mb per second for raw .avi.
My editor just told me it's 1.67 GB per minute. I think you're compressing it as it comes out of the camera.

[xcite-tv]

We are assuming you have a computer that will do this. Not the one you get out of Dixon's for 500 quid. Not trying to be funny but asking a relevant question. These guys can give you the operating system to do this.

A computer out of dixons WILL edit DV quite easily.. In fact a £500 PC will edit High Def these days.

The days of needing to spend £5-15K on a purpose build edit suite are long gone for those making video for the web. We just have good reason to need to. as i imagine you do

[Paul Markham]

A computer out of dixons WILL edit DV quite easily.. In fact a £500 PC will edit High Def these days.

The days of needing to spend £5-15K on a purpose build edit suite are long gone for those making video for the web. We just have good reason to need to. as i imagine you do
I did not think it would, I stand corrected. I would not of said a £5-15K one though. More like £2 to £3K.

[JT]

come on, she has the content, so her costs of launching will most include time, not money.
when she got the site up, then she can start doing the marketing part of this business. which she will have tons of time to read up on while getting the site up. ask google to show you tutorials of marketing, read read read read, ask questions on forums such as this, learn learn.

I'd like to see a picture or two though, and know where about you are based.

also, we use sony vegas so another vote for that software!

If you need and are hoping to get help searching google for marketing adult websites then you are going to fail. No if, buts or maybe's.

It doesnt just take time. It takes money, skill, knowledge and "lots" of time

[Paul Markham]

If you need and are hoping to get help searching google for marketing adult websites then you are going to fail. No if, buts or maybe's.

It doesnt just take time. It takes money, skill, knowledge and "lots" of time
She has the content, let's assume it's good, she is the content, she can produce more. She needs someone with the skills and knowledge to take her to the next level.

Good skills and knowledge alone are not the key today, good content is not the key. The key is putting them together.

[Jason]

If you need and are hoping to get help searching google for marketing adult websites then you are going to fail. No if, buts or maybe's.

It doesnt just take time. It takes money, skill, knowledge and "lots" of time
never said it was gonna be easy. But trial and error, u gotta start somewhere. Obviously u cant quit your day job right away. But best bet is probably to team up with an existing afilliate program....

[xcite-tv]

I did not think it would, I stand corrected. I would not of said a £5-15K one though. More like £2 to £3K.

horses for courses.... as i say a £500 PC will do the job but you can also pay about £25,000 for a Matrox HD workstation...