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Hi guys first post and finally i've found a forum that seems to talk sense.
I recently set up a forum (about 3 days ago) with the intention of it being an amateur porn forum of user submitted videos and pictures.
I posted up a link on a US adult webmaster board and immediately got slated over 2257. Well not slated just advised.
What i'd like to know is what the fuck does this all mean?
I've read through the law but its US, i'm british, does this apply to me?
My host is in the US.
If I host the site here would these laws still apply?
This is a free forum, i'm not selling anything or making money from the site. Can I really do 5 years over a picture on the internet?
It all seems a little OTT to me. Anyway to summarize.
If I create a forum and accept user submitted pictures and images am I breaking the law?
If yes would these Laws apply if I host in the UK?
If they always apply to me what can I possibly do to set up a free user submitted amateur porn forum without breaking the law?
Thanks guys,
Cool site - my night just got longer.... :geek:
-Arbane
edit - link to the site
ww.amateur-porn-forums.co m/forums/
Links to a sites that I took most of the inspiration from
ww.newbienudes.com
ww.homemade-amateur-porn.com/forum/
i'm not selling anything or making money from the site.
Well, there's yer problem right there. :geek:
The revenue will come about in a year.
Thanks...
Edit: He changed his mind.
Care to expand?
Oh it's changed, now I'm confused, will have to find out tomorrow what all that was about :dorsetpolice:
WordsforHire
12-29-07, 01:22 AM
Care to expand?
Oh it's changed, now I'm confused, will have to find out tomorrow what all that was about :dorsetpolice:
It's the evil wine fairies and of course late night MSN conversations going in a crazy direction.
It's the evil wine fairies and of course late night MSN conversations going in a crazy direction.
Drunk in charge of keyboard? :alc:
WordsforHire
12-29-07, 01:27 AM
Drunk in charge of keyboard? :alc:
Something like that *hic*
I recently set up a forum (about 3 days ago) with the intention of it being an amateur porn forum of user submitted videos and pictures.
may i ask how you intend to make sure that the uploader has the rights to the content and doesn't just share some shots of his girlfriend without her knowing? and that's just one scenario, and we aren't even touching the area of young looking people in the images and clips.
until you have that bit sorted out in a rather bullet proof fashion, details like 2257 are your least worry.
what you was told on the other forum by Pam remains the same no matter where you ask it. if you get asked by an authority if one of the pics you host is of an underage person, you'll have no way of proving it isnt. you'll also have the problem that HF mentions above, how will you know that your surfers arn't just uploading pictures they "found" on the net and have no right to use?
just had a closer look, your host is also your registrar? in fact your host owns the domain, as they are the Admin Contact. change that ASAP.
also, seeing you are new to this, you do have had a good hand in picking your header cartoon, who's the artist? i may be in need of some artwork in January.
if you get asked by an authority if one of the pics you host is of an underage person, you'll have no way of proving it isnt.
How do other large sites get by with this then problem? There really isnt any way to prove someones age without going down the data protection act route.
One site i've seen requires a kind of image verification of the user to prove they're willing participants to the forum.
Would this not suffice?
thanks guys
How do other large sites get by with this then problem? There really isnt any way to prove someones age without going down the data protection act route.
One site i've seen requires a kind of image verification of the user to prove they're willing participants to the forum.
Would this not suffice?
thanks guys
My thoughts on this is you will have to heavily moderate it like the freeones forum, you will have to stick to allowing people to upload only sponsors galleries etc that all carry a 2257 statement, other than that you are screwed.
I was hoping to only have user submitted self shot images. Nothing other than pictures of themselves.
I dont want users submitting pictures found on the internet - that seems way to risky.
This is a nightmare. I might just create an adult discussion board...
I was hoping to only have user submitted self shot images. Nothing other than pictures of themselves.
I dont want users submitting pictures found on the internet - that seems way to risky.
so how exactly are you going to make sure the submitter has the rights then?
if you were to trouble yourself with this helpful tool (http://www.beerandbollocks.com/forum/search.php), you might find you aren't the first with such plans. so far we haven't seen any 100% working solution being suggested.
so how exactly are you going to make sure the submitter has the rights then?
if you were to trouble yourself with this helpful tool (http://www.beerandbollocks.com/forum/search.php), you might find you aren't the first with such plans. so far we haven't seen any 100% working solution being suggested.
Thats because there isnt a 100% working solution is there?
Well i've had a look around the net at various other forums.
Every single one violates the rules you speak of. Theres no way any of them can prove that the user has rights to the images.
This leads me to believe one of 3 things.
1) The authorities really couldn't give a shit.
2) The people in the photos really couldn't give a shit.
3) You're over hyping this matter and there really isn't anything to worry about.
The only site i've seen that has a system to deal with this is the image verification process on newbienudes. People supply a picture of themselves holding a piece of paper with their forum username on it for mods to verify that future photo submissions by them are consentual.
All things considered though, I think this isn't right for me at this time.
Well i've had a look around the net at various other forums.
Every single one violates the rules you speak of. Theres no way any of them can prove that the user has rights to the images.
This leads me to believe one of 3 things.
1) The authorities really couldn't give a shit.
2) The people in the photos really couldn't give a shit.
3) You're over hyping this matter and there really isn't anything to worry about.
The only site i've seen that has a system to deal with this is the image verification process on newbienudes. People supply a picture of themselves holding a piece of paper with their forum username on it for mods to verify that future photo submissions by them are consentual.
All things considered though, I think this isn't right for me at this time.
You missed number 4, the sites in question are breaking all kinds of local and international laws from document keeping and privacy invasion to intellectual property theft and the owners don't give a shit.. yet.
Aye,
Number 4 is probably where its at.
My intention was to have a user submitted photo forum, by that I mean people uploading content of themselves.
Would having this newbienudes style verification allow this without breaking laws?
I'm looking for a way to run this site without breaking the law - if there isn't one i'll knock it on the head and go for something else.
I just like administering forums, not interested in making a big profit really and i'm certainly not going to break the law...
The only site i've seen that has a system to deal with this is the image verification process on newbienudes. People supply a picture of themselves holding a piece of paper with their forum username on it for mods to verify that future photo submissions by them are consentual.
if you seriously belive that this is sufficent, you have a lot of learning to do.
5) If you post pics in your gallery of your partner(s) you must also include them in your verification submission pics.
so how exactly does a pic portraying someone holding up a sign prove any consent? abusive relationships are not unheard of.
but please, run along believing it's just hype. may we call you Gary?
Well i've had a look around the net at various other forums.
Every single one violates the rules you speak of. Theres no way any of them can prove that the user has rights to the images.
This leads me to believe one of 3 things.
1) The authorities really couldn't give a shit.
2) The people in the photos really couldn't give a shit.
3) You're over hyping this matter and there really isn't anything to worry about.
The only site i've seen that has a system to deal with this is the image verification process on newbienudes. People supply a picture of themselves holding a piece of paper with their forum username on it for mods to verify that future photo submissions by them are consentual.
All things considered though, I think this isn't right for me at this time.
You have also missed a big piece of default logic... Meaning that the other forums that you see, dont appear to give a shit.. BUT... What about the forums that DIDNT give a shit and you DONT see... BECAUSE THEY HAVE HAD TO BE TAKEN OFFLINE???
Aye,
Number 4 is probably where its at.
My intention was to have a user submitted photo forum, by that I mean people uploading content of themselves.
Would having this newbienudes style verification allow this without breaking laws?
I'm looking for a way to run this site without breaking the law - if there isn't one i'll knock it on the head and go for something else.
I just like administering forums, not interested in making a big profit really and i'm certainly not going to break the law...
The problem with user submitted is the logistical nightmare of ensuring that they really are real user submissions. I personally wouldn't touch them with a 10 foot pole because of the headache of verifying everything. You only have to take a look at any dating site or myspace, or even ebay to see the 100s of "faiths" and "raven rileys" being posted as "me" or "my girlfriend". And with sign generators and photoshop even the verification method of posing with a piece of paper is easily faked.
All in all user submissions requires such a heavy load work wise to do legally and legitimately that it's just simpler at the end of the day to buy content in and know you have all the I's dotted and T's crossed.
if you seriously belive that this is sufficent, you have a lot of learning to do.
so how exactly does a pic portraying someone holding up a sign prove any consent? abusive relationships are not unheard of.
but please, run along believing it's just hype. may we call you Gary?
You can call me whatever the fuck you want, you're known as "cunt" to me now.
I came on this forum seeking advice. From the advice i've received i'd say it isn't worth the hassle. So i'm closing the venture and switching to a more legitimate forum.
The site I referred to has 700 paying members online at any given time. Each pays a membership fee of $10-30 per month. Call me a cunt but isn't that kind of revenue worth asking a few questions about?
Now wouldn't you mind getting the fuck out of this thread?
Cock.
You can call me whatever the fuck you want, you're known as "cunt" to me now.
...
Cock.
Well make your mind up. Cunt or cock? I don't want to get confused in the future.
From what i've seen of the "online adult" entertainment business i'd say its dominated by sarcastic, cocky, poor webmasters who need to have a good look at the quality of the shit sites they develop and stop slagging people on "webmaster" sites.
Have a fucking good look at yourself and ask "why am I giving this "beginner" sarcastic comments and bullshit? when all he did was came in here seeking advice and a few pointers."
Some of the replies have been useful, to those that don't talk shit i'd like to say thanks. Others amongst you need to stop slating people trying to work a way into the "scene". Its pathetic.
BTW its cunt.
If this place is moderated i'd advise the mod to close the thread since all i'm gonna do is flame the fuck into it now.
BTW its cunt.
If this place is moderated i'd advise the mod to close the thread since all i'm gonna do is flame the fuck into it now.
Oh they won't close it and we welcome your flames. Usually a flame consists of more than calling someone a cunt. Try and be a bit clever about the next one. I am sure you have it in you.
BTW It's cunt. Not '"its cunt".
Arbane, Beer and bollocks is rough and ready but you'll get the best advice from the people here than any other AWM forum, you just need to roll with the punches! ;)
the most important point made in this thread, i think is that unless you are only going to allow gallery posts with 2257 (which is very easy to do) you'll never have a 100% legal forum once surfers start posting and the other forums you talk about may not care about what gets posted but thats only because they havent been found by the sponosrs who care enough to go down the legal route - if you check the archives of a lot of the AWM forums you'll find post after post "outing" a forum and then you'll see reply after reply from sponsors who have chased after the owners and hosts.
Arbane, Beer and bollocks is rough and ready but you'll get the best advice from the people here than any other AWM forum, you just need to roll with the punches! ;)
Seconded. People on here dont sugar coat their replies... But then they dont need to, because they are correct in what they are saying...
In other words, its a bit like saying, do you want to hear a load of stupid replies from many people who have no clue... Or a few replies from people who know their shit inside and out... But those replies may not be what you want to hear?
You can call me whatever the fuck you want,
clearly.
you're known as "cunt" to me now.
boy, that told me.
I came on this forum seeking advice.
and you got loads of it.
From the advice i've received i'd say it isn't worth the hassle. So i'm closing the venture and switching to a more legitimate forum.
more legitimate? wouldn't fully legitimate be the obvious choice?
The site I referred to has 700 paying members online at any given time. Each pays a membership fee of $10-30 per month.
charming. it's not your site though, so what point are you trying to make?
Call me a cunt
would that turn you on?
but isn't that kind of revenue worth asking a few questions about?
where did you ask questions about revenue, and who here would you suggest could answer that? point out the one who really can, the owner, to us, please?
Now wouldn't you mind getting the fuck out of this thread?
you own it then?
Cock.
that's a funny name you picked to sign your post with. inherited it on your surfer board?
Slag me all you want guys.
This thread has highlighted how shit this forum is. Have fun with it.
Anyway, i've heard enough now.
Thanks for your time rogue, i'm going back to the American sites - at least they have the decency to respond to questions posed in a civil manner.
Cunt.
Anyway, i've heard enough now.
If this place is moderated i'd advise the mod to close the thread since all i'm gonna do is flame the fuck into it now.
What happened to you flaming the fuck into it? Whatever that means.
Don't go. Let's make out.
This forum is
http://www.liquidass.com/images/dog_poo_close-up.JPG
This forum is proper
http://www.liquidass.com/images/dog_poo_close-up.JPG
I said
http://www.liquidass.com/images/dog_poo_close-up.JPG
You cunts are all
http://elly-jaine.com/pics/13gays.jpg
redwhiteandblue
12-30-07, 12:58 AM
i'm going back to the American sites - at least they have the decency to respond to questions posed in a civil manner.
American sites? Or ones inhabited by surfmasters who have less clue about the adult business than you have yourself, but never mind as they get 5 cents per post and that's a good wage where they come from.
Did I hear you say Beer and Bollocks?
http://gallery.brawl-hall.com/data/media575322/8/Hard_Way_To_Cum.jpg
You cunts are all
http://elly-jaine.com/pics/13gays.jpg
that bloke receving has a really tiny todger, makes me feel quite proud of my trouser snake :)
From what i've seen of the "online adult" entertainment business i'd say its dominated by sarcastic, cocky, poor webmasters who need to have a good look at the quality of the shit sites they develop
intrigued now. mind pointing out who owns and developed which sites, along with an explantion, within reasonable detail, as to why they lack quality? thanks in advance.
stop slagging people on "webmaster" sites.
by slagging, you mean calling them names, like cunt?
Have a fucking good look at yourself and ask "why am I giving this "beginner" sarcastic comments and bullshit?
surely you can point out the sarcasm and bullshit you perceived.
when all he did was came in here seeking advice and a few pointers."
which you got by the bucket load. would you like us to build your forum up? would that satisfy your demand in help and support?
Some of the replies have been useful, to those that don't talk shit i'd like to say thanks.
you are very welcome.
Others amongst you need to stop slating people trying to work a way into the "scene". Its pathetic.
oh dear, who got slated? we cannot have that, i totally agree with you there. point us, please?
If this place is moderated
this place uses the same board software as your site does. surely you know how to check who is mod?
i'd advise the mod to close the thread since all i'm gonna do is flame the fuck into it now.
ho-hum, handbags at dawn.
Slag me all you want guys.
This thread has highlighted how shit this forum is.
deary me, that didn't take long from
Hi guys first post and finally i've found a forum that seems to talk sense.
you seem to go through boards in a rather speedy manner. soon you will run out of chances to make friends. :)
i'm going back to the American sites - at least they have the decency to respond to questions posed in a civil manner.
Don't you mean that they are a bunch of amateurs who will say what you want to hear, because they know little about the industry in the first place?
redwhiteandblue
12-30-07, 01:05 AM
I'm getting a sense of deja vu here...
I thought that when I saw your shit avatar.
American sites? Or ones inhabited by surfmasters who have less clue about the adult business than you have yourself, but never mind as they get 5 cents per post and that's a good wage where they come from.
Actually mate they earn more on average than us....
Actually mate they earn more on average than us....
actually mate, that's not much of a task with you
The revenue will come about in a year.
Just to add a little more helpfulness to this thread.
The idea isn't without merit if you're willing to work it. Have several fake usernames of your choice. Buy in legal content from sources such as
http://www.club-xstream.com/xcart/home.php
http://www.rockbottomcontent.com/main.php
http://www.greatsexcontent.dk/
and post legal licensed pics and videos everyday yourself.
Or find amateur sponsors with free content and post those pics promoting the amateur sites you get the content from (rather than going subscription model yourself).
actually mate, that's not much of a task with you
So now you know my salary?
You truly are amazing.
For a slug.
So now you know my salary?
your salary was never the topic, this is a webmaster board, not the burger flippers hang out. your website, according to your own words, and surely YOU would not bullshit, doesn't generate any revenue for another year.
i'd still be interested where you got your cartoon from. seeing you are rather much lacking any experience, you seem to have a suprisingly good hand in finding a designer. unless you just picked an image from google images, all public domain and stuff?
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