Anyone know anything about this site?

[Paul Markham]

http://www.sumo.tv

They are burning up a lot of BW on my servers and I'm trying to find out who they are.

http://www.sumo.tv/tgp/ls/002/ is one of the URLs and I can't get to the site.

[psl]

They have a SKY TV channel feed by their website.
Contact Ofcom they may be able to help;
Ofcom
Riverside House
2a Southwark Bridge Road
London
SE1 9HA

Switchboard: 020 7981 3000 or 0300 123 3000
Fax: 020 7981 3333

Sumo.tv
info@sumo.tv
Sumo TV SKY Channel 144

They say they are the UKs Leading Video Sharing community.

[Damian]

http://www.sumo.tv

They are burning up a lot of BW on my servers and I'm trying to find out who they are.

http://www.sumo.tv/tgp/ls/002/ is one of the URLs and I can't get to the site.

I know them, I will find out who you need to talk to.

PM/post your email and I will get them to contact you.

[Paul Markham]

I know them, I will find out who you need to talk to.

PM/post your email and I will get them to contact you.
PM sent. I had the site banned on my servers, so hope it will help.

[Paul Markham]

Check my site guys please via the signature.

I'm forbiddon :noway2:

[Damian]

PM sent. I had the site banned on my servers, so hope it will help.

Email sent to my contact there.

[Paul Markham]

Email sent to my contact there.
Thanks.

What ever my hosting have done had fucked it up worse. Fixed now.

[badbee]

Check my site guys please via the signature.

I'm forbiddon :noway2:

I can't get it to load. It's just hanging.

[psl]

Forbidden here Paul.

No just tried it again and it loaded.

[badbee]

Loaded now for me too, took a couple of minutes on the second attempt though.

[Damian]

Forbidden here Paul.

No just tried it again and it loaded.

I am getting a Lady Sonia gall and then lots (and lots) of banners below on that url.

[dvtimes]

hi

do i take it its burning up badwidth as they have holinked a file or somthing to your site?

if so i presume that you can just add a httaccess. thingly to stop this.

to do this just do a seach in google and you will find the code which you just add to a text file and save as httaccess.

[Damian]

Got to the bottom of this for you Paul. They were an affiliate and using your stuff as per http://www.paulmarkhamcash.com/affiliates/banners.php with their affiliate code.

But they have removed it now, as requested.

[ajaxjones]

didnt load for me

[dvtimes]

Got to the bottom of this for you Paul. They were an affiliate and using your stuff as per http://www.paulmarkhamcash.com/affiliates/banners.php with their affiliate code.

But they have removed it now, as requested.

are you saying all they had was a banner and they had so many hits that it affected pm badwidth, yet produced no or little sales?

[Damian]

are you saying all they had was a banner and they had so many hits that it affected pm badwidth, yet produced no or little sales?

I am saying they had a banner, from Paul's site. They have now removed it as requested. I have no idea how many sales it produced.

[ajaxjones]

I see over 600K of images that Paul has as available banners. I can imagine thats a big load if all the affiliates are using them

[dvtimes]

http://www.paulmarkhamcash.com/affiliates/banners.php

Why host the banners, rather than make people host them?

I mean if somone cannot afford to host a banner are they worth having as an affiliate???

[TGITC]

http://www.paulmarkhamcash.com/affiliates/banners.php

Why host the banners, rather than make people host them?

I mean if somone cannot afford to host a banner are they worth having as an affiliate???

Simplicity I suppose... With hosted banners you can just paste the code straight into your page, add your aff code and its job done...

[HarryMunker1]

Administrative Contact:
Cellcast UK Limited
adam clark ()
+44.2071900300
Fax:
150 gt portland st
London
England, w1w 6qd
GB

[Geezer]

http://www.paulmarkhamcash.com/affiliates/banners.php

Why host the banners, rather than make people host them?

I mean if somone cannot afford to host a banner are they worth having as an affiliate???

I take it this is the same for sponsors, if they can't afford to host the banners are they worth promoting.

So markham has hosted banners and yet when an affiliate actually uses them and, surprise surprise uses his bandwidth he bans them, great work :wank2:

[-HF]

I take it this is the same for sponsors, if they can't afford to host the banners are they worth promoting.

So markham has hosted banners and yet when an affiliate actually uses them and, surprise surprise uses his bandwidth he bans them, great work :wank2:

that's a bit unfair. imagine how mit must have looked. out of nowhere, traffic arrives all of a sudden.

[blunt]

What I wanna know is why is Sumo submitting galleries? Surely running a cheesey TV channel should bring in enough revenue?????????

[Scotty.T]

What's weirder is they are using peoples banners and then linking to a completely different site.

Is that what they were doing with yours Paul?

[Paul Markham]

Loaded now for me too, took a couple of minutes on the second attempt though.
And this is the problem. It's not the BW cost that's important and people should stop and think about this. It's the hardware costs and the costs to affiliates and sponsors of LOST sign ups.

This bad traffic slowed down the servers and the tours for EVERYONE ELSE. Do we buy another high speed server to run it so we can keep getting this shit traffic, do we keep the sites running slow or do we pull the shit traffic and say goodbye to the 1-20,000 ratios it was producing?

Obviously morons won't know the answer so here are the consequences of the three options.

Another server costs money, that has to come from somewhere else. Where do I take it from?

It's you that are suffering as much as me, your traffic is getting fucked.

I lose an affiliate costing me $5 in his BW costs, who knows what in others traffic losses and makes $10 a month.

Anyone else got a better solution I'm happy to learn more.

[Paul Markham]

hi

do i take it its burning up badwidth as they have holinked a file or somthing to your site?

if so i presume that you can just add a httaccess. thingly to stop this.

to do this just do a seach in google and you will find the code which you just add to a text file and save as httaccess.
I'm not an expert at this but I do not think it's this. The stats are this

Pages 5255
Hits 567708

They were sending traffic from a few pages, that now redirect to another page. Was it someone in the office trying to earn some money on the side?

[Paul Markham]

Thanks for the help guys. Seriously I have no idea what was happening here, it could be hot linking but don't think so. It was shit traffic what ever it was and no reason it should be on Sumo.tv. The one example I posted above was one of many sources, this was coming from a lot of pages all of which I can't see now.

paulmarkhamcash is on our second server so that was not a problem. As are the FHGs. The problem was on the main server and the tour. It's been fixed and traffic has flowed faster since and sign ups last night were up on normal.

[Paul Markham]

Just been looking at the stats on the two effected servers. It seems there were massive peaks of traffic, mostly for a few hours.

[ajaxjones]

I'm not an expert at this but I do not think it's this. The stats are this
Pages 5255
Hits 567708



I think you have two pretty serious problems.

1. Your hosting package should be able to cope with 5,000 pages. Either that or perhaps you only have a couple of affiliates on a single PC? I don't know what your set-up is but you should have the capacity to deal with small surges if only to provide a good service to your clients.

2. Your stats also seem to be wildly wrong. Page loads are made up of several hits but if you are serving a single banner then its a single hit per page load?? You can't have 100x the hits for a single banner. I would imagine that your problem is more serious with your hosting company than you imagine if that is what they are telling you.


They were sending traffic from a few pages, that now redirect to another page. Was it someone in the office trying to earn some money on the side?


IMHO it looks like a myspace/youtube setup and I bet that user has been banned

[Paul Markham]

That is just one page stats of many sending traffic from this problem site. and it seems to come in spurts.

The owner is alerted and now blocking Czech traffic or redirecting. But I have enough proof and Monday will be onto the boss at Sumo. This could be an employee trying to do some free lance work.

This is not traffic in the server put aside for "free" traffic. So nothing to do with the banners on Paulmarkhamcash. It's traffic hitting the tour, which is on the same server as the site. And yes I know that's wrong, we will fix it if it comes to be a problem under normal situations.

I'm looking into it further.

[ajaxjones]

Hmmm, if there is a problem with your tour and server load then it is something you are going to need to address pretty quickly. A few spurts of traffic you should be able to cope with. Any one expects to build their traffic so you should have some plans in place for when things grow as you would probably be hoping they would.

[Scotty.T]

The whole set-up, with the sponsor banners sending traffic to unassociated sites looks dodgy.

The powers that be have cottoned on to this thread now and stuff is being redirected/removed, so at least the immediate problem of load on your servers is gone.

[Paul Markham]

Hmmm, if there is a problem with your tour and server load then it is something you are going to need to address pretty quickly. A few spurts of traffic you should be able to cope with. Any one expects to build their traffic so you should have some plans in place for when things grow as you would probably be hoping they would.
Please understand, there is no problem with my site or tour. Did you get that?

Until this guy sends a lot of traffic over a short period of time. Traffic that does nthing. He might be hotlinking and we do have measures in place to stop this, but he was getting pass them.

Not going to build a system so it can handle a guy like this. Cheaper and easier to spot him and ban him.

I have more than 2 servers.

The person concerned has been alerted and is trying to cover his tracks.

[ajaxjones]

NO i didnt get that, you were saying that YOU couldnt handle traffic on your site or your program from your CLIENTS that you had GIVEN your codes to.

If you cant HANDLE the traffic or LINKS to your own BANNERS then you should stick to selling content. I for one would not want to send you MY traffic if you couldnt HANDLE it You seem to agreee that you can not cope wihh the traffic from YOUR OWN affiliates and you drop their tours and you LOSE them sales ON THEIR traffic.

GUESS WHAT, they work harder for it than YOU DO.

here is how it works

You make content, you provide content, THEY BRING YOU TRAFFIC AND YOU TAKE THEIR MONEY !

YOUR CLIENTS, not your content. The sayign goes , IF A TREE FALLS IN A FOREST AN NO ONE IS AROUND , THEN THERE IS NO NOISE.

So this translates to , no matter what your content , if you have no affiliatiates then who cares as you make no sales !!! You job is to make number 1 sales destination for your clients, NO ?



y\ou were saying that there was a problem with your servers and your tour? How can an affiliate who is usign your banners and codes be a problem??

ZOIKS !!!

Is that what you are doing , supplying your clients with banners and links, but now you say if they are using them a lot you don't like it and want them banned? LOL lOL LOL LOLCATS !


It is not hotlinking or hijacking if YOU are supplying these people with your codes and YOUR banners and YOUR server locations..


LOL

It sounds like you need to run your hosting somewhere that can handle more than a few thousand pages, hehhe he

No offence, but it doesnt sound like you should be serving content if you can't handle load, that is lesson NUMBER ONE for providers. I certainly not want to sign up to a programme that would dump me if I sent them traffic, although to be fair y0u are not my niche.

Lesson 1. you are the one that makes the money, then if it were me I would go elsewhere, in any case as you know my niche is gay so this is all pointless.

[ajaxjones]

Please understand, there is no problem with my site or tour. Did you get that?
He might be hotlinking and we do have measures in place to stop this, but he was getting pass them.
tracks.


HAHA, just rad this again, it says we have measures in place to stop them, but they got round them.


LOCATS my ass is falling off, that actually MEANS yo DONT have them in place if someone is gettiong round them.

Congrats on having 2 servers

[-HF]

http://www.beerandbollocks.com/forum/search.php

search for "magic join links"

hope that helps.

[badbee]

http://www.beerandbollocks.com/forum/search.php

search for "magic join links"

hope that helps.


Very harsh :character0072:

[-HF]

Very harsh :character0072:


i was being helpful. :(

[dvtimes]

I think the problem is that, that site of his normaly only get 7 hits a day, and that going over 7 hits has meant his free host account is getting shut down.

[Paul Markham]

Thanks for the advice from the guys who gave it. The clowns who think I should buy and run expensive servers to cater for useless traffic are just showing their free loading attitudes.

It might be profitable for them that we run expensive servers so traffic from people without a clue can pump bad traffic to the tour but it's no good for me or my good affiliates. I have a big tour, it's there to convert good traffic and it works. Do I cut it back to a 3 page cookie cutter tour that converts badly but can handle lots of bad traffic or do I target good affiliates with good traffic?

The clown who was doing this is reading this board, he might even be posting here.

ajaxjones I agree with you 100% it's your traffic. If it comes off your servers, your sites, tour content, your tools, etc. If you use sponsors tools and help it belongs to both of you. Once it hits the site it's the sponsors job to make sure it works as best as possible. It's the sponsors traffic. That is my rule and the day I let an affiliate run my site is the day I shut down. If they had the money and skills they would be running sites.

This situation only arose because in the last week I was sick and bed ridden and not watching the servers. If I had of been well I would of seen it.

[Jel]

Just one reason I host all my own stuff.

[Paul Markham]

Just one reason I host all my own stuff.
Pisses me off when people who want everything for free then tell me the results of their work belong to them. It belongs to both of us and when it arrives on my site it's my job to work it as best as possible for the benefit of EVERYONE not just them.

HF watch this space on the www.5dollarsporn.com sites. They tested the CMS last week and tell me it's nearly ready. Plan is to have 100 of them. How I drive traffic to them is the question now. Some of the sites will be as low as $1 and top price $5. They will be targeted to filling the customers needs 100%. Will be interesting to see how well they work. The conversion ratios on those sites would make you very happy.

And this is the situation with all the "experts" with "their own traffic". The content for one on those sites can be picked up for as little as $300, tops$1,000. Yes 75 to 250 joins pays for the content. Then it's 80% profit all down the line. The surfers come back to the sites with the great deals. So why don't all the "experts" run their own sites? I think most of them would shit their pants at how they would get 100 joins. The upsells from inside the site solves any problems on "losing a $30 sale".

[-HF]

could you explain, in a reasonable amount of detail, why exactly one should be watching a site concept you babble on about since ages and still haven't gotten off the ground while others have done it sucessfully, Paul?

are you offering a sort of way back machine service now?

[Paul Markham]

could you explain, in a reasonable amount of detail, why exactly one should be watching a site concept you babble on about since ages and still haven't gotten off the ground while others have done it sucessfully, Paul?

are you offering a sort of way back machine service now?
Very true and welcome to reply.

I screwed up badly with a decision I made regarding a programmer and other projects we have. Don't forget the paysites are just one string to our bow.

However this is a concept all affiliates with good traffic should be looking at. Running the paysite is the easiest part of my job. Dealing with affiliates is a bit tougher. LOL.

So if an affiliate has the resources and finance to put up a site or sites like this why not? The surfer sees a great deal, he's still in your site and still you're able to upsell him to existing sponsors.

Of course affiliates can stay affiliates with a single string to their bow, their choice. Assuming they have the money. When you listen to how they tell sponsors to run their sites it's obvious they think they have the skills.

[ajaxjones]

I think megarotic offer hosting as well now, perhaps your could use that for tours?

[ajaxjones]

I meant that technique

[Paul Markham]

Since kicking off this guy and a couple of others the speed on the site has improved.

Also stats have gone back to what they should be and better, more sign ups, better ratios and far more people landing on the join form page.

What some don't realise is building a tour network that will handle any traffic, because BW is cheap, has a downside. It slows down the servers or costs money. Good affiliates, do you want sponsors to accommodate this crap traffic and take it out of your commission or the site content. Or do you want the tours to slow down so your traffic suffers?

Don't give me "the extra sign ups pay for it" BS. A guy sending 25,000 hits a month that produce 1 sign up is not paying for anything. Especially if he's using all my tools and hosting. It works for the guy with the shit traffic, so he can flame me. The guys with the good traffic can flame me for being sick and bed ridden therefore missing it.

[Geezer]

Since kicking off this guy and a couple of others the speed on the site has improved.

Also stats have gone back to what they should be and better, more sign ups, better ratios and far more people landing on the join form page.

What some don't realise is building a tour network that will handle any traffic, because BW is cheap, has a downside. It slows down the servers or costs money. Good affiliates, do you want sponsors to accommodate this crap traffic and take it out of your commission or the site content. Or do you want the tours to slow down so your traffic suffers?

Don't give me "the extra sign ups pay for it" BS. A guy sending 25,000 hits a month that produce 1 sign up is not paying for anything. Especially if he's using all my tools and hosting. It works for the guy with the shit traffic, so he can flame me. The guys with the good traffic can flame me for being sick and bed ridden therefore missing it.

Do you have something in your "Terms" to let affiliates know that if they send a lot of traffic and make no sales you will ban them?

If you can't handle, oops sorry, don't want traffic from certain sources then maybe you should write this into the "Terms". I mean if an affiliate sends you traffic and they get banned for that they might think it a bit off.

[-HF]

he'll cross that bridge when he gets there.

[HarryMunker1]

Do you have something in your "Terms" to let affiliates know that if they send a lot of traffic and make no sales you will ban them?

If you can't handle, oops sorry, don't want traffic from certain sources then maybe you should write this into the "Terms". I mean if an affiliate sends you traffic and they get banned for that they might think it a bit off.


I seem to do this the other way around. If I send traffic to an affiliate and make no money I drop the affiliate like a hot potato.

Why would anybody send traffic to something that wont convert to money sales thats crazy.

[-HF]

I seem to do this the other way around. If I send traffic to an affiliate and make no money I drop the affiliate like a hot potato.

you must be dropping affiliates left right and centre then.

[ajaxjones]

Do you have something in your "Terms" to let affiliates know that if they send a lot of traffic and make no sales you will ban them?

If you can't handle, oops sorry, don't want traffic from certain sources then maybe you should write this into the "Terms". I mean if an affiliate sends you traffic and they get banned for that they might think it a bit off.


I think if you dont do that then ccbill can drop you as well or you have to invite people manually or something.

[HarryMunker1]

you must be dropping affiliates left right and centre then.


Nope I found the 1s that convert well ty been around long enough to have done that.

AFF

Money Tree

Traffic Cash Gold

Ifriends

Weg Cash

Oh and Google Adsense not adult stuff though.

And all these pay also on time every time.

[-HF]

Nope I found the 1s that convert well ty been around long enough to have done that.

AFF

Money Tree

Traffic Cash Gold

Ifriends

Weg Cash

Oh and Google Adsense not adult stuff though.

And all these pay also on time every time.


all these are your affiliates? impressive.

so how does this work, sending to one's affiliates and getting money from them?

it's obvious you know a lot about this sending traffic to affiliates, so please teach the humble ones.

[HarryMunker1]

all these are your affiliates? impressive.

so how does this work, sending to one's affiliates and getting money from them?

it's obvious you know a lot about this sending traffic to affiliates, so please teach the humble ones.


I send them an email telling them they won Nigeria lottery and if they send me $500 I send them tickets.

Webmaster forum or I wanna be a webmaster but am realy a prick but I do own a pc so do I count :alc:

[-HF]

I send them an email telling them they won Nigeria lottery and if they send me $500 I send them tickets.

Webmaster forum or I wanna be a webmaster but am realy a prick but I do own a pc so do I count :alc:

so you ain't going to share how one sends traffic to one's affiliates?

very helpful you are.

[Damian]

You better hush up -HF. The man is clearly a player. Obviously what he is talking about is secret squirrel up and cross sells (and you could class those as affiliate I suppose).

Clearly sites that Lars runs (for now), are only going to do deals with seriously big sites. So although Harry may come across as a bit stupid, I reckon that's just a board personality and you should show some respect.

[Geezer]

I think if you dont do that then ccbill can drop you as well or you have to invite people manually or something.

You mean about banning affiliates who send traffic?

[Paul Markham]

Do you have something in your "Terms" to let affiliates know that if they send a lot of traffic and make no sales you will ban them?

If you can't handle, oops sorry, don't want traffic from certain sources then maybe you should write this into the "Terms". I mean if an affiliate sends you traffic and they get banned for that they might think it a bit off.
Whoops a guy who thinks sending traffic that does not convert is a good or normal practice. :noway2:

Geezer sticks his foot in his mouth so often his teeth have tread marks. :P

Geezer why should a site and the good affiliates stand by and support dorks who send shit traffic?

You see most people with 2 working brain cells realise that when it says "free hosting, free content, free banners" it is not really free. It has to be paid for by the guys sending the traffic that buys and makes money. Now you might be one of these sad souls who needs other good affiliates to carry you. But I as a responsible sponsor to my profitable affiliates am not about to carry losers.

Of course you are free to send me traffic any time you like, you are free to stop sending me traffic anytime you like. Allow me the same privileges please.

[Damian]

Geezer why should a site and the good affiliates stand by and support dorks who send shit traffic?
.

You are being awfully rude about this chap Paul. Has he been sending you rude emails or something? Is he posting in this thread? You seem to insist on calling him names in every post you make. Have you had a falling out over this?

[Paul Markham]

You mean about banning affiliates who send traffic?
Exactly.

Traffic is not the key and until it buys something it costs money. An affiliates job is in reality to send sign ups. I'm not carrying a guy who converts at 1-25,000 or asking an affiliate who converts at 1-50 to also carry him.

Take your foot out of your mouth. :P

If you had a clue you would not be making such stupid posts.

[Paul Markham]

You are being awfully rude about this chap Paul. Has he been sending you rude emails or something? Is he posting in this thread? You seem to insist on calling him names in every post you make. Have you had a falling out over this?
Lets just say I have my suspicions. No suspicions about the quality of the traffic though.

A phone call will be made tomorrow. I have a lot of screen caps to back up my suspicions.

I suggest all sponsors here check their logs for traffic logs..

[-HF]

Whoops a guy who thinks sending traffic that does not convert is a good or normal practice. :noway2:

Geezer sticks his foot in his mouth so often his teeth have tread marks. :P

Geezer why should a site and the good affiliates stand by and support dorks who send shit traffic?

You see most people with 2 working brain cells realise that when it says "free hosting, free content, free banners" it is not really free. It has to be paid for by the guys sending the traffic that buys and makes money. Now you might be one of these sad souls who needs other good affiliates to carry you. But I as a responsible sponsor to my profitable affiliates am not about to carry losers.

Of course you are free to send me traffic any time you like, you are free to stop sending me traffic anytime you like. Allow me the same privileges please.

it was a very simple question, do you or do you not have it in your TOS that accounts sending traffic that doesn't convert will be shut down? if you have, do you declare what figures trigger the ban?

you see, most people with 2 working braincells realise that by accepting the affilate you entered into a contract. if you then introduce rules you hadn't there and didn't let them agree to first, it is you who is the cheat.

so Paulie, do you, or do you not have it in your TOS, that accounts sending traffic that doesn't convert will be shut down?

a simple yes or no will suffice. although we all know you are prone to reply in an epic fashion with a handful of insults thrown in for good measure, trying to take attention from the one simple point it is all about. :)

what is it Paulie, yes or no?

[Cardinal_Sin]

Lets just say I have my suspicions. No suspicions about the quality of the traffic though.

A phone call will be made tomorrow. I have a lot of screen caps to back up my suspicions.

I suggest all sponsors here check their logs for traffic logs..

Welcome to running a programme, Paul.

ALL traffic, is actually good traffic - You simply need to learn how to deal with it. If a guy sends you 20k a day of traffic that doesn't convert - Don't call it crap traffic - Find out why it doesn't convert - Could be either you or him needs to change something -
If it is loads of traffic from countries that produce low sign ups - Learn how to turn that traffic into cash. Believe me - I would never turn away any traffic -
btw - You need to look at your servers - if you get a slow down on a site only getting 20k hits a day, give up marketing for more now - or, upgrade your boxes - This is one area webmasters can not skimp a few dollars on -

[Paul Markham]

[QUOTE=-HF]it was a very simple question, do you or do you not have it in your TOS that accounts sending traffic that doesn't convert will be shut down? if you have, do you declare what figures trigger the ban?

you see, most people with 2 working braincells realise that by accepting the affilate you entered into a contract. if you then introduce rules you hadn't there and didn't let them agree to first, it is you who is the cheat.

so Paulie, do you, or do you not have it in your TOS, that accounts sending traffic that doesn't convert will be shut down?

a simple yes or no will suffice. although we all know you are prone to reply in an epic fashion with a handful of insults thrown in for good measure, trying to take attention from the one simple point it is all about. :)

what is it Paulie, yes or no?[/QUOTENo I don't.

So you can send any traffic that does not convert to Cardinal Sin. He seems to like it. Let him sit and work out why it does not convert.

Just send me the traffic that converts. :P

I had no idea so many wanted to send and receive traffic that does not convert. :P

[-HF]

No I don't.

thank you Paulie for admitting you are cheating your affiliates by applying rules that were never there for them to agree to, that's all we wanted to have in writing. :)

[Damian]

No I don't.

Wow. -HF, I am impressed, you got a straight answer out of him. Plus alot of waffle, but you got there.

You should be a interrogator for the feds or something.

[Geezer]

If you had a clue you would not be making such stupid posts.


Try and make a sentence out of this:

pot the calling black kettle the

[Cardinal_Sin]

You are living in a dream world, Paul.


If you pay affiliates by % then you HAVE to take what is given - You seem to want it both ways - Screw the affiliate by acting like you pay per sign up or click, and then fuck the member with upsells -

Rule number one: If your content is original, unique and hits the mark - You will never need to upsell anything - rebills, rebills rebills.

If you run a % programme and an affiliate sends in dirty traffic - Fucking well wash it - Its worth as good cash as sign ups are -

You quickly learn in this biz who knows what they are doing and those who stubornly think they do.

[Cardinal_Sin]

Try and make a sentence out of this:

pot the calling black kettle the

The old cunt will fuck off know and do some googling about filtering traffic, then come back here and try to educate us all about it.

[TGITC]

http://www.uk.pg.com/images/dazTablets_01_IL.jpg

For TRAFFIC !

[Cardinal_Sin]

http://www.uk.pg.com/images/dazTablets_01_IL.jpg

For TRAFFIC !
Choker loves it!

[HarryMunker1]

Welcome to running a programme, Paul.

ALL traffic, is actually good traffic - You simply need to learn how to deal with it. If a guy sends you 20k a day of traffic that doesn't convert - Don't call it crap traffic - Find out why it doesn't convert - Could be either you or him needs to change something -
If it is loads of traffic from countries that produce low sign ups - Learn how to turn that traffic into cash. Believe me - I would never turn away any traffic -
btw - You need to look at your servers - if you get a slow down on a site only getting 20k hits a day, give up marketing for more now - or, upgrade your boxes - This is one area webmasters can not skimp a few dollars on -


I would say not all traffic is good traffic its nice to have though.

Image traffic from G and Y ect is ok but will it convert ? no I think not its guys looking for free shit, you may entice a few but not quality traffic at least not in my book.

I would never turn any traffic away though if it was not converting traffic I would look too ways of using it.

Your right Damian im not stupid I just come across that way due to never going to school (true) bloody good golfer though :cheer:

Search engine traffic for targeted keywords is better for conversion so in my dumb opinion seo seo seo seo

My directory is ranking OK gets good conversions and it was never meant to be what it is now and I cant be bothered to change it back to what it was.


Still what ranks on search engines do you guys have ?

Yahoo UK [porn] no 3/2

http://uk.search.yahoo.com/search?p=porn&fr=yfp-t-501&ei=UTF-8&rd=r1

MSN [porn] 4

http://search.msn.co.uk/results.aspx?q=porn&geovar=en-US&FORM=REDIR

Google UK [UK porno] 1

http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=t&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GFRC_enGB206GB206&q=uk+porno

Quality traffic good affiliate ships who pay ontime every time with good conversion rates

Theres so much animosity here why cant you be truthful honest give advice if you want or just keep quite like I have been doing as I pop in and out here and then.

OH MAN

[badbee]

Splendid, a pissing match -popcorn-

[-HF]

Theres so much animosity here why cant you be truthful honest give advice if you want or just keep quite like I have been doing

pot calling the kettle black.

you haven't remained quiet and have not given advice how to send traffic to your affiliates and make money from it.

[TGITC]

http://gotsquirt.com/daz.gif

Sorry... Improved 'Markham' Version :)

[ajaxjones]

what are these "magic join links" I cant find anything about them. Can someone shed some light?

[TGITC]

what are these "magic join links" I cant find anything about them. Can someone shed some light?
Just do a search... All will be revealed !

[Paul Markham]

thank you Paulie for admitting you are cheating your affiliates by applying rules that were never there for them to agree to, that's all we wanted to have in writing. :)
Sorry but what about all the other affiliates suffering from one person sending crap traffic? Or are they meant to suffer because of one or two people?

Or do I spend more money on servers to handle this traffic and less on content to get rebills?

And do I let the affiliate send traffic to a site where it simply is not working and let him send it somewhere else where it might work better?

Also did anyone check the one URL I gave and see how the person redirected it? Seems strange that an affiliate who had been emailed 3 times ignores them and a post on B&B gets him redirecting all the pages that were sending traffic.

I'm not sure if Sumo.tv are in the porn traffic business. What I don't know is why this great affiliate hid all those pages. Pages that were FHG and banner farms.

Theres so much animosity here why cant you be truthful honest give advice if you want or just keep quite like I have been doing as I pop in and out here and then.You will see that some here read the name of the poster then decide what has been written before they read. Maybe you know if Sumo.tv is in the porn traffic business.

[Paul Markham]

So who would be happy to send good traffic to a site that was spending money on servers to support affiliates sending bad traffic instead of content. Or letting the site run slower by not spending money on servers?

Or a sponsor to run the risk of going out of business because of bad money management?

The extra sales from the bad affiliates is highly unlikely to pay for the servers. And they have to be paid for somehow. They are paid for by good affiliates.

So what are the options?

Work with them. Might work and needs the affiliate to reply to my emails. Only a fool would think I posted on here before emailing them. I emailed him 3 times and phoned him twice and left a message. Never returned my call. He did redirect the pages though.

[Jel]

So what are the options?



Don't offer hosted tools.

[ajaxjones]

I did a search but couldnt find anything on these links? Is there a specific thread?

[Paul Markham]

Don't offer hosted tools.
It's not the hosted tools. It's the surfers hitting the tour and might be slowing it down and reducing it's effectiveness for affiliates sending quality traffic.

We have guys using FHGs who send a lot of traffic but in the main it converts nicely, the best did 1-1100 over the weekend. These are people who are using other means to send traffic. Worse sent 7,000 uniques since Friday, no sales. With the bad traffic we converted at 1-800. Without them would we be worse off and more important is would the other affiliates be worse off?

Or would we both be better off?

I did a search but couldnt find anything on these links? Is there a specific thread?It's about these sites. www.5dollarsporn.com. I put them up and had a bad link to one of the billing companies, the one to CCBILL worked and did well. I put it up on xxx and they found the bad links and for weeks bumped the thread. And sent lots of traffic to the sites. xxx is well know for having surfers all over it. I could of changed or deleted the bad links in minutes after being told, but not while I was getting traffic and sign ups.

And still some insist on raising the matter and getting me more traffic. Not that this board will see much.

[Jel]

I'm confused now. You say he was sending traffic that was converting at 1:20k.

So an extra 20k surfers per day, or per hour, what?

If he was redirecting instead of sending to your tour, how were you getting these tour views that were converting at 1:20k?

Was it the tour traffic, or the calling of the hosted banner(s) that caused the server problem?

[Jel]

It's not the hosted tools. It's the surfers hitting the tour and might be slowing it down and reducing it's effectiveness for affiliates sending quality traffic.

We have guys using FHGs who send a lot of traffic but in the main it converts nicely, the best did 1-1100 over the weekend. These are people who are using other means to send traffic. Worse sent 7,000 uniques since Friday, no sales. With the bad traffic we converted at 1-800. Without them would we be worse off and more important is would the other affiliates be worse off?

Or would we both be better off?


So no matter what the quality of traffic, if you have a big hitter sending you a shitload of traffic, even if that traffic converts, you are saying your servers slow down?

[ajaxjones]

Was it the tour traffic, or the calling of the hosted banner(s) that caused the server problem?

It sounded like a combination of the hosted banners causing a server load and then surfers were clicking on them as well and the tour was then also bringing down the servers.

I guess the idea is to put multiple tours on different servers?

[ajaxjones]

It's about these sites. www.5dollarsporn.com. I put them up and had a bad link to one of the billing companies, the one to CCBILL worked and did well. I put it up on xxx and they found the bad links and for weeks bumped the thread. And sent lots of traffic to the sites. xxx is well know for having surfers all over it. I could of changed or deleted the bad links in minutes after being told, but not while I was getting traffic and sign ups.

And still some insist on raising the matter and getting me more traffic. Not that this board will see much.

What is xxx ?

[Jel]

I could of changed or deleted the bad links in minutes after being told, but not while I was getting traffic and sign ups.


:takethat:

'I left the non-working join links up because they were bringing in signups'. Wtf?

[Jel]

It sounded like a combination of the hosted banners causing a server load and then surfers were clicking on them as well and the tour was then also bringing down the servers.

I guess the idea is to put multiple tours on different servers?

Yeah caught the clarification after I posted, the redirecting traffic that was coming from a few pages in short bursts caused the tour to go boom it seems.

[ajaxjones]

:takethat:

'I left the non-working join links up because they were bringing in signups'. Wtf?

404 could redirect the traffic to a tour

[Jel]

404 could redirect the traffic to a tour

Check your PMs and you'll see the reason I posted that ;)

[-HF]

Sorry but what about all the other affiliates suffering from one person sending crap traffic?

give it a rest Paulie. you admitted to fucking over affiliates. don't babble on with your usual distraction tactics. :)

[-HF]

404 could redirect the traffic to a tour

you are assuming the site owner knows what they are doing.

however this is Markham you are talking about.

[Paul Markham]

give it a rest Paulie. you admitted to fucking over affiliates. don't babble on with your usual distraction tactics. :)
Can you explain how I'm fucking over an affiliate who is wasting his time sending me traffic and not getting sign ups?

This should be good. :noway2:

I would say I'm doing him a favor by telling him to stop sending. You assume I stopped paying him on the few sign ups he got. But then you assume you have a clue. :cheer:

[Geezer]

Can you explain how I'm fucking over an affiliate who is wasting his time sending me traffic and not getting sign ups?

This should be good. :noway2:

I would say I'm doing him a favor by telling him to stop sending. You assume I stopped paying him on the few sign ups he got. But then you assume you have a clue. :cheer:

I sometimes wonder if you are just one big wind up, are you serious about this?
Can you really not see it?

[Paul Markham]

I sometimes wonder if you are just one big wind up, are you serious about this?
Can you really not see it?
No I can't.

How do you fuck someone over who is wasting his time sending traffic that is not converting, by stopping him sending the traffic?

To me and my logic to fuck him over you have to be taking something away from him. He's not got anything I can take away. I'm doing him a favour stopping him sending it to me.

Now if you think he's earning money sending useless traffic that earns him nothing, then explain it please.

Or do you think he can send me any traffic he likes, when he likes, how he likes, using my tools and hosting that earns him nothing and me stopping him and making him send it somewhere it will make money, is screwing him over. Please explain to me the logic in that.

[Geezer]

:banghead:

[Paul Markham]

:banghead:
Is that it?

That's your logical explanation?

[Geezer]

Is that it?

That's your logical explanation?

FUCK OFF CUNT!

That explains it better

[Paul Markham]

FUCK OFF CUNT!

That explains it better
So you can't explain it, never thought you could.

[Geezer]

So you can't explain it, never thought you could.

Now you are confusing me with you you silly senile old fucking wanker, I don't go quiet cos I ain't got a clue, unlike you cunt face.

I asked you a simple question you never replied, but now you want me to help you out and explain why banning someone for sending traffic without fuck all about it in the "Terms" of your affiliate programme.

[Paul Markham]

Now you are confusing me with you you silly senile old fucking wanker, I don't go quiet cos I ain't got a clue, unlike you cunt face.

I asked you a simple question you never replied, but now you want me to help you out and explain why banning someone for sending traffic without fuck all about it in the "Terms" of your affiliate programme.
You can't explain it can you.

So I should let the guy keep sending useless traffic. Best he sends it somewhere else.

I'm finished with you. Bye loser.

[-HF]

Can you explain how I'm fucking over an affiliate who is wasting his time sending me traffic and not getting sign ups?
certainly. always willing to lend a hand to the clueless, especially those who then go and think they are good at winding people up, while all they do is offer more proof as to why they are actually a cheater.
chances are though that someone even less experienced in honest business and contract questions than you obviously are may read this and get wrong ideas from your lack of educaction.

so here goes.

you offer an affiliate program. a webmaster joins it. this forms a binding contract, based on all terms and rules agreed to form both sides at that very point.

now you stated you terminate peoples' accounts if you deem their conversion ratio too low. you also stated this is not mentioned in your TOS, nor did the webmaster agree to that condition after the original sign up process.
this is you breaking the original contract.

This should be good.
it always is, once i get involved.

I would say I'm doing him a favor by telling him to stop sending.
you said you terminate their account, you are not telling them they'd better stop, you just kick them out. nice try in twisting your original statement though.

You assume I stopped paying him on the few sign ups he got.
surely you can quote that assumption of mine.

or did you just assume i assumed?

But then you assume you have a clue. :cheer:
ah, mixing up your vocabulary. i this case i know, no need to assume.


unless you contribute anything of substance in your reply, and we know you are not likely to, i might not be bothered to explain it again. :)

[xcite-tv]

You can't explain it can you.

So I should let the guy keep sending useless traffic. Best he sends it somewhere else.

I'm finished with you. Bye loser.

after spending 10 mins reading this shit I cannot believe a sane man would argue in this way

I seriously cannot believe you would argue with all these guys who know a thing or two about traffic and what to do with it..

Had this argument been about content production.you might (only just in my opinion) been able to hold your own

You really are a sad case....

If someone with so much experience in this industry, as he keeps telling us. can fuck so many people off in this way...

its no wonder internet porn as a business model is so flawed

[Jel]

http://www.beerandbollocks.com/forum/showpost.php?p=173731&postcount=85

[Paul Markham]

So far as I can find out the guy sending the traffic is not that worried, he never replied to my emails sent last week, he never returned my phone calls and from what I found out unless Sumo.tv are running hardcore sites on their domain he was freelancing as an affiliate.

Might be wrong about that and Sumo.tv are into the hardcore porn traffic business and the checks go to an individual not the company. The URLs sending the traffic were all on Sumo.tv.

As for the contract, it cuts both ways. If I don't convert the affiliates traffic he can move on, if the affiliates traffic don't convert I can move on. That's a real partnership.

HF you can't break something that is not agreed to. You can reply to a sponsor if you want to put things right. A phone call is a good indication the sponsor wants to talk.

[-HF]

HF you can't break something that is not agreed to.

you are breaking what is agreed on, twat.

[-HF]

Thanks for the help guys. Seriously I have no idea what was happening here, it could be hot linking but don't think so. It was shit traffic what ever it was and no reason it should be on Sumo.tv. The one example I posted above was one of many sources, this was coming from a lot of pages all of which I can't see now.

paulmarkhamcash is on our second server so that was not a problem. As are the FHGs. The problem was on the main server and the tour. It's been fixed and traffic has flowed faster since and sign ups last night were up on normal.

what exactly was the reasoning behind having the tools offered on the affiliate site and server but hosted and then obviously served from the paysite server?

http://www.paulmarkhamcash.com/affiliates/banners.php

serves banners from like http://paulmarkhamteens.com/banners/pmt_120x60_03.gif

of course traffic on an affiliate site will cause an image source every time their pages are opened. so they most likely will have a way higher number of image calls than traffic sent to your tour, which presumably is hosted on paulmarkhamteens.com as well.

[REBEL]

I've just had a thought..

As I've just posted on NP
567708 Banner Hits
5255 Page Hits
= almost a 1% click thru on the banner.

Now where is this 1:20,000 ratio coming from?

Is that going on the 567708? Or Something else?

Because on the figures given 1:20,000 would be 28 sales. Considering that it's actually only 5225 click thrus the actul ratio would be 28:5225 or melted down 1:188.

I have to assume that's not the case though and it's a real CCBill ratio of 1:20000 (where he's sending 5000+ clicks a day and only making a sale every 4 days)

[Jel]

Now if you think he's earning money sending useless traffic that earns him nothing, then explain it please.



You said earlier that he was converting, albeit at ratios of 1:20k. Did this guy make any sales?

[Jel]

Pisses me off when people who want everything for free then tell me the results of their work belong to them. It belongs to both of us and when it arrives on my site it's my job to work it as best as possible for the benefit of EVERYONE not just them.

HF watch this space on the www.5dollarorn.com sites. They tested the CMS last week and tell me it's nearly ready. Plan is to have 100 of them. How I drive traffic to them is the question now. Some of the sites will be as low as $1 and top price $5. They will be targeted to filling the customers needs 100%. Will be interesting to see how well they work. The conversion ratios on those sites would make you very happy.

And this is the situation with all the "experts" with "their own traffic". The content for one on those sites can be picked up for as little as $300, tops$1,000. Yes 75 to 250 joins pays for the content. Then it's 80% profit all down the line. The surfers come back to the sites with the great deals. So why don't all the "experts" run their own sites? I think most of them would shit their pants at how they would get 100 joins. The upsells from inside the site solves any problems on "losing a $30 sale".

Tell me what that has to do with anything in this thread.

[nekrom]

lolol this is fucking golden. :D

-N

[erots]

I've just had a thought..

As I've just posted on NP
567708 Banner Hits
5255 Page Hits
= almost a 1% click thru on the banner.

Now where is this 1:20,000 ratio coming from?

Is that going on the 567708? Or Something else?

Because on the figures given 1:20,000 would be 28 sales. Considering that it's actually only 5225 click thrus the actul ratio would be 28:5225 or melted down 1:188.

I have to assume that's not the case though and it's a real CCBill ratio of 1:20000 (where he's sending 5000+ clicks a day and only making a sale every 4 days)

I think he is just trying to make things up and lying and thinking that 567708 banners hits and 5255 Page Hits somehow magically compile into sign up ratio of 1:20,000. It is clear that these AWStats statistics don't compile into 1:20,000 ratio because from what I understand the biggest number of page views ha has given us this far is 5255... 0:5255 I can understand... 1:20,000 ????????

This thread is lot of fun :-)

[JT]

Ive been away for a few days and havnt seen this thread. To save me reading through it all, can someone summarize it please

[xcite-tv]

Ive been away for a few days and havnt seen this thread. To save me reading through it all, can someone summarize it please

Paul Markham talks out of his arse. and everyone else jumps on it...


same shit different day. you didnt miss much

[-HF]

Paul Markham talks out of his arse. and everyone else jumps on it...


same shit different day. you didnt miss much


so a sponsor admitting to screwing his affiliates is just them talking out of theirs arse and not much?

interesting point of view there.

[Scotty.T]

I've got to say. If I was Paul and I had tried my best to make reasonable contact with the affiliate and he/she didn't reply or replied but didn't give an acceptable excuse for what they were doing, I would probably have made steps to can them as an affiliate as well.

[-HF]

wonder if Paulie will dignify us with some answers, when he is finished bashing B&B on netplonk and netplonk on xxx...

[_LB_]

You see most people with 2 working brain cells realise that when it says "free hosting, free content, free banners" it is not really free. It has to be paid for by the guys sending the traffic that buys and makes money. Now you might be one of these sad souls who needs other good affiliates to carry you. But I as a responsible sponsor to my profitable affiliates am not about to carry losers.

wow.

Just um .... well .... wow !

Amazed you didn't send them a bill for your wasted BW.

Total class.

[Paul Markham]

I've got to say. If I was Paul and I had tried my best to make reasonable contact with the affiliate and he/she didn't reply or replied but didn't give an acceptable excuse for what they were doing, I would probably have made steps to can them as an affiliate as well.
And you would of got no flak for it, your name is not Paul Markham.

I have tried again to talk to the offending affiliate and still he refuses to talk to me on the phone or phone me back. Anyone want his phone number to ask him why he was doing what he did?

The affiliate in question came to my attention because of the high hits in relationship to the page views he was generating. He was emailed 3 times and no reply, he was phoned and I was told he was out to lunch. However immediately the pages disappeared. The entire 5 pages with lots of other peoples banners on. Does that look strange?

A guy with all this traffic just deletes 5 pages to my knowledge full of links to us and other sponsors. Not just our banner which is what a normal person would do.

What I know about the affiliate. He was hosting the sites on Sumo.tv, he works for Sumo.tv. The payments from the affiliate account went to him personally and not Sumo.tv. The banners he was loading which were on my site are on lots of other affiliates sites. They do not generate the over load he did. I have no idea why he did and the traffic to my site was 20,000 and was from everywhere or unable to track. However 2.5 million loads on a banner is a lot of traffic. Maybe he was feeding the Sumo.tv pages with traffic he was buying. He was breaking the companies own rules. "to link other websites to the SUMO.tv website (such linking does not imply approval or endorsement by Us of the linked website)" (http://www.sumo.tv/terms_conditions.php) If I read that right.

Sumo.tv are owned by Cellcast UK Limited and not in the hardcore porn business. And being a UK company unlikely to get into it on their own site. They do a bit of softcore porn work. I did not find any real porn on the site.

Now I might be 100% wrong but in my judgment this guy was freelancing on his employers site. His activities were not endorsed by his employers. He tried to hide it.

Lastly this has nothing to do with BW and only a person without a big site would understand that. It's about a busy tour getting over loaded with bad traffic and the tour slowing down enough to effect other affiliates traffic. Do I want to buy another server or use the spare one to accommodate a person I think is a scammer or do I kick the guy out so the tour goes back to working for the benefit of the good affiliates? The first one costs money because the traffic will not pay for it. The second option is immediate and benefits everyone.

Is this class? Telling affiliates on your webmasters area a site converts and retains and then on a board telling everyone that the content on your tours front page causes charge backs. Now who would do that?

I will not reply to this.

[Jel]

I will not reply to this.


Can't wait to quote that again in a bit.

[Geezer]

Can't wait to quote that again in a bit.

:takethat:

[-HF]

a sponsor gets traffic in the thousands and doesn't convert, then wonders why the affiliate cannot be arsed talking to them but makes changes to the pages.

too cute.