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psl
10-16-07, 08:30 PM
This is a very good article but I am not going to post it all........

DVD sales are in free fall. Audiences are flocking to pornographic knockoffs of YouTube, especially a secretive site called YouPorn. And the amateurs are taking over. What’s happening to the adult-entertainment industry is exactly what’s happening to its Hollywood counterpart—only worse.

On Friday, May 18, Steve Hirsch, founder of Vivid Entertainment Group, the world’s largest producer of adult videos, was expecting a mysterious visitor. But Stephen Paul Jones was late. When Jones, an unknown figure in the pornography world, finally arrived in the all-white reception area of Vivid’s Los Angeles offices at 2 p.m., he was apologetic. His private plane had broken down, he explained, and he was forced to fly commercial. Hirsch, dressed in a T-shirt and jeans, found that excuse a little slick. But he was eager to speak with Jones, so he let it slide and introduced him to two Vivid colleagues. When the four men sat down in the company’s conference room, Jones got right to the point: He wanted Vivid to buy his website, YouPorn.com.

As its name suggests, YouPorn lets users upload and watch a virtually unlimited selection of hardcore sex videos for free. The user-generated clips on YouPorn—like those on YouTube, the site it mimics—range from the grainiest amateur footage to the slickest professional product. Also, like YouTube, the site has far more traffic than income. Just nine months after going live, in September 2006, YouPorn was on pace to log about 15 million unique visitors in May, Jones told the Vivid executives, and its audience was growing at a rate of 37.5 percent a month. Today, YouPorn is the No. 1 adult site in the world; Vivid.com, a pay site, is ranked 5,061. According to Alexa, a website-ranking company, YouPorn’s overall rank is higher than CNN.com (84), About.com (114), and Weather.com (195). (Those numbers are averages for the three-month period from mid-June to mid-September.)

Blond, barrel-chested, and wearing a sport coat, Jones oozed Silicon Valley confidence. According to Hirsch, he mentioned his Stanford M.B.A. repeatedly. He offered reams of documents and audience data, emphasizing YouPorn’s global reach. (Only 12 percent of the site’s traffic comes from the U.S., he said.) Jones told the men that he and one other executive, a young Malaysian man living in Australia, were the owners of YouPorn, and he stressed that with the site’s traffic, its opportunities were manifold: dating, gaming, mobile content, pay-per-view, webcams (“already very popular in China”), and more. He shared his vision of turning YouPorn into a “very cool brand, perhaps the Virgin of adult entertainment.” As Jones rambled on, Hirsch and his executives traded raised eyebrows. Malaysia?

Still, they were intrigued by YouPorn—and more than a little intimidated by its size. In recent years, competition from the internet had cut deep into the porn studio’s revenues. DVD sales, once Vivid’s financial bedrock, were down almost 50 percent since 2004, and the proliferation of cheap Web-based videos was stealing market share from the company, which specializes in high-end sex films. Vivid and its top rivals—Wicked Pictures, Evil Angel, Digital Playground, Red Light District, Penthouse Media Group, and Hustler, to name a few—had lately been getting an unwanted glimpse of the overnight crisis that the file-sharing revolution brought to the music industry and Craigslist brought to newspaper classified ads.

The meeting lasted an hour. As Hirsch listened to Jones’ pitch, he considered the risks of acquiring YouPorn. Hirsch had been in the adult-entertainment business long enough to be mindful of its legal pitfalls, and that was a chief concern. How do you verify the age of the participants in these thousands of sex videos—or, for that matter, the age of the audience?

continued at
http://www.portfolio.com/culture-lifestyle/culture-inc/arts/2007/10/15/YouPorn-Vivid-Entertainment-Profile#page1

adultbusiness
10-16-07, 08:33 PM
Based on traffic yes it is, based on revenue...no....

Saying that, as we own youporn.co.uk I wouldn't mind if it got sold at that price :alc:

psl
10-16-07, 08:39 PM
Based on traffic yes it is, based on revenue...no....

Saying that, as we own youporn.co.uk I wouldn't mind if it got sold at that price :alc:

Did you read the full article? it gets better.

spann0
10-16-07, 11:48 PM
Based on traffic yes it is, based on revenue...no....

Saying that, as we own youporn.co.uk I wouldn't mind if it got sold at that price :alc:


why because they will have loads of money to sue you with ?

adultbusiness
10-17-07, 12:07 AM
why because they will have loads of money to sue you with ?

No, so we can do a deal and sell them the Domain.... but I'm sure we've had this conversation before so let's not go there......:reading:

NumptyNuts
10-17-07, 01:54 AM
This is a very good article but I am not going to post it all........

DVD sales are in free fall. Audiences are flocking to pornographic knockoffs of YouTube, especially a secretive site called YouPorn. And the amateurs are taking over. What’s happening to the adult-entertainment industry is exactly what’s happening to its Hollywood counterpart—only worse.

On Friday, May 18, Steve Hirsch, founder of Vivid Entertainment Group, the world’s largest producer of adult videos, was expecting a mysterious visitor. But Stephen Paul Jones was late. When Jones, an unknown figure in the pornography world, finally arrived in the all-white reception area of Vivid’s Los Angeles offices at 2 p.m., he was apologetic. His private plane had broken down, he explained, and he was forced to fly commercial. Hirsch, dressed in a T-shirt and jeans, found that excuse a little slick. But he was eager to speak with Jones, so he let it slide and introduced him to two Vivid colleagues. When the four men sat down in the company’s conference room, Jones got right to the point: He wanted Vivid to buy his website, YouPorn.com.

As its name suggests, YouPorn lets users upload and watch a virtually unlimited selection of hardcore sex videos for free. The user-generated clips on YouPorn—like those on YouTube, the site it mimics—range from the grainiest amateur footage to the slickest professional product. Also, like YouTube, the site has far more traffic than income. Just nine months after going live, in September 2006, YouPorn was on pace to log about 15 million unique visitors in May, Jones told the Vivid executives, and its audience was growing at a rate of 37.5 percent a month. Today, YouPorn is the No. 1 adult site in the world; Vivid.com, a pay site, is ranked 5,061. According to Alexa, a website-ranking company, YouPorn’s overall rank is higher than CNN.com (84), About.com (114), and Weather.com (195). (Those numbers are averages for the three-month period from mid-June to mid-September.)

Blond, barrel-chested, and wearing a sport coat, Jones oozed Silicon Valley confidence. According to Hirsch, he mentioned his Stanford M.B.A. repeatedly. He offered reams of documents and audience data, emphasizing YouPorn’s global reach. (Only 12 percent of the site’s traffic comes from the U.S., he said.) Jones told the men that he and one other executive, a young Malaysian man living in Australia, were the owners of YouPorn, and he stressed that with the site’s traffic, its opportunities were manifold: dating, gaming, mobile content, pay-per-view, webcams (“already very popular in China”), and more. He shared his vision of turning YouPorn into a “very cool brand, perhaps the Virgin of adult entertainment.” As Jones rambled on, Hirsch and his executives traded raised eyebrows. Malaysia?

Still, they were intrigued by YouPorn—and more than a little intimidated by its size. In recent years, competition from the internet had cut deep into the porn studio’s revenues. DVD sales, once Vivid’s financial bedrock, were down almost 50 percent since 2004, and the proliferation of cheap Web-based videos was stealing market share from the company, which specializes in high-end sex films. Vivid and its top rivals—Wicked Pictures, Evil Angel, Digital Playground, Red Light District, Penthouse Media Group, and Hustler, to name a few—had lately been getting an unwanted glimpse of the overnight crisis that the file-sharing revolution brought to the music industry and Craigslist brought to newspaper classified ads.

The meeting lasted an hour. As Hirsch listened to Jones’ pitch, he considered the risks of acquiring YouPorn. Hirsch had been in the adult-entertainment business long enough to be mindful of its legal pitfalls, and that was a chief concern. How do you verify the age of the participants in these thousands of sex videos—or, for that matter, the age of the audience?

continued at
http://www.portfolio.com/culture-lifestyle/culture-inc/arts/2007/10/15/YouPorn-Vivid-Entertainment-Profile#page1

no but this will be worth another prize ;)

fosburger
10-17-07, 08:14 AM
I wonder if the U.N can do anything? LOL

Paul Markham
10-17-07, 12:30 PM
Very interesting and I tried to post a few points. Fucked up user agreement and I gave up.

But Vivids sales are not falling because of the Internet, they are falling becasue people are not buying their style of porn. It's the older market and some of us are dying. LOL

YouTube proves traffic is not king. They have all the traffic and finding it tough to sell it something and make a profit. If someone walks into a store for a freebie he's unlikely to buy something. The solution of many is too simply give more away and get more people walking into the store, who will not buy anything.

Freeloaders make bad customers. The problem is the Adult Net is largely run by people who get their porn for free, so the solution is often via free porn. Don't have the answer to that one.

psl
10-17-07, 12:53 PM
Xtube, in my opinion is going the right way, they are selling full length DVDs.

AEBN run a tube site and use the traffic for their main site.

I can also see why youporn.co.uk is there.UGC and then send the traffic to sites they own.

If all the big players are worried about tube sites why don't they set up their own. Use archive content as a loss leader and drive customers to the members section, scenes and / or full movies.
Give them the choice on how they want their content, PPV, VOD or Download to own.

And lets face it most major players use tube sites to promote their content in the hope they get traffic to their sites.Perhaps they should cease and disist.

Its how you control the UGC because it is unlicensed, how do they age verify?
What is to stop a pissed off boyfriend uploading the video of his ex-girlfriend without her permission, which he clearly is not going to get.
People will want to see this content.

Tube sites should try a montize their content, because most of them loose money, intially and then live off ad rev.

Bernice
10-17-07, 05:04 PM
Short answer - nope it isnst worth $20 million. None the less some idiot will probably pay that for it anyway :)

spann0
10-17-07, 06:32 PM
Thats an interesting article

so Youporn.com tried to sell themselves to Vivid saying the "reach is global"

Thats a good way to spin "we have nothing but shitty worthless CN and asian traffic"

It probly makes no-money - if AEBN's site breaks even (at the deal price they probly get bandwidth for) thats not a good sign.

It maybe the only way for these sites to make money is some form of subscription - I think Icoocash2.com program and site is interesting.

psl
10-18-07, 12:36 AM
Thats an interesting article

so Youporn.com tried to sell themselves to Vivid saying the "reach is global"

Thats a good way to spin "we have nothing but shitty worthless CN and asian traffic"

It probly makes no-money - if AEBN's site breaks even (at the deal price they probly get bandwidth for) thats not a good sign.

It maybe the only way for these sites to make money is some form of subscription - I think Icoocash2.com program and site is interesting.

Yea, Icoocash2.com is an interesting concept in the fact they pay you for your traffic.But why would you want to send your traffic to them?

Coatsy
10-29-07, 07:51 AM
I honestly think that youtube would have gone bust if it had not been purchased by google (or anyone else)

They where losing money hand over fist before the site was purchased.

I think it's the same with youporn.com, build up the traffic to crazy levels and then hopefully bullshit your way into selling a potential non profitting venture to some idiot.

Sounds like Stephen Paul Jones needs to sell this site.

“Porn is recession-proof,” he went on, “so if other companies’ sales are going down, there’s a reason

That's horseshit, especially considering the economic hardship the US and UK are about to endure. That site must run a very tight margin, he even said the site does not make money. So if their ad profits take a big hit for just a few months the site will be lossing a lot of money.

I've already seen quite a few of these adult tube sites going offline due to lack of funds, same with some of the mainstream ones as well

gawdi
10-29-07, 11:12 AM
Saying that, as we own youporn.co.uk I wouldn't mind if it got sold at that price :alc:

will take it off yr hands for $50......

keithwoo
10-30-07, 12:48 PM
I do not think any site that does not make a profit is worth anything. I can not believe the prices sites that make no money have sold for. I just read article about sites that make no money selling for millions very similar to dot com bust years ago.

Paul Markham
10-30-07, 02:25 PM
I do not think any site that does not make a profit is worth anything. I can not believe the prices sites that make no money have sold for. I just read article about sites that make no money selling for millions very similar to dot com bust years ago.
I've heard just about every single argument possible on the Tube sites. They lose money hand over fist, they are run by kids in basements, run by billionaires looking to get a foothold.

Might all be right, the situation is they are here and we have to deal with them as competition for traffic.

temptationhouse
11-04-07, 04:26 AM
no way.. its always about content. building a good site will cost you less then that..