Shooting my own content

[JT]

Right. Advice needed from photographers here.

Ive always bought content in the past or had photographers shoot content for me. But Im going to start shooting my own. So advice needed.

Equipment to start with. What can I get that will get ok results for someone learning like me and I wont have to re mortgage my house for?

[Geezer]

What type of pics would you want, is quality important?

[xcite-tv]

Nikon D70 or Canon Eos D350 kits Are perfect for stills depend on what you want to spend
For Video dont use anything other than Sony you can get a good PD150/170 cheap second hand now. If you can afford HDV go for it.. we use it and there is NOTHING out there as good for quality

If you want to try out my kit and experience something can be arranged i am sure

get in touch

cheers

[daveydude]

Depends if you want to save money now and get entry-level equipment. If you do, what will happen is you'll soon realise the limitations & want the more expensive kit. Or rather you maybe won't realise the limitations until you have a go with some more pro stuff, and then you'll see how shit the basic grear is lol. You get what you pay for.

I used to shoot on a £500 Nikon digicam which I thought was the bollocks until I had a go with a proper digital SLR which are like £1000+. Now there was nothing really wrong with that £500 Nikon, but I wouldn't go back to it.

As for video, don't go for anything less than a 3 chip CCD, and obviously HDV if you can afford it. I shoot with a Canon XM2 and the results are fine.

[Zappu]

What type of pics would you want, is quality important?
Couldn't be, or it would be better to stay to let it be done by professionals :D

[JT]

What about lighting people

[JT]

What type of pics would you want, is quality important?


Not glossy magazine quality but good

[JT]

Couldn't be, or it would be better to stay to let it be done by professionals :D

Not always, you should see some of the stuff that comes from so called profesionals

[JT]

Depends if you want to save money now and get entry-level equipment. If you do, what will happen is you'll soon realise the limitations & want the more expensive kit. Or rather you maybe won't realise the limitations until you have a go with some more pro stuff, and then you'll see how shit the basic grear is lol. You get what you pay for.

I used to shoot on a £500 Nikon digicam which I thought was the bollocks until I had a go with a proper digital SLR which are like £1000+. Now there was nothing really wrong with that £500 Nikon, but I wouldn't go back to it.

As for video, don't go for anything less than a 3 chip CCD, and obviously HDV if you can afford it. I shoot with a Canon XM2 and the results are fine.

Im just after photo for now. £1k sounds fine, I didnt expect to pay less. But dont want to spend like £5k

[JT]

Nikon D70 or Canon Eos D350 kits Are perfect for stills depend on what you want to spend
For Video dont use anything other than Sony you can get a good PD150/170 cheap second hand now. If you can afford HDV go for it.. we use it and there is NOTHING out there as good for quality

If you want to try out my kit and experience something can be arranged i am sure

get in touch

cheers

That sounds cool :) I'll take you up on that

[xcite-tv]

You dont have to spend £1000
I use Canon D350 but Used Nikon since the days of the Nikon F (age showing)
Would not recommend anything other than Nikon and for under £1000 you can get the D70 which is perfect dont be tempted by anything more unless you go for D2 which for the web is overkill

you can mail me on admin@xcite-tv.com and swap numbers if you need to chat

ta

[daveydude]

A basic 2 head flash lighting kit is a very good purchase. Once you get used to using them you'll be able to make some really nice looking pics quite easily. And they are fairly portable too.

[JT]

A basic 2 head flash lighting kit is a very good purchase. Once you get used to using them you'll be able to make some really nice looking pics quite easily. And they are fairly portable too.

have you got some linkage to such a magical box?

[Geezer]

What about lighting people

I was going to mention lighting. You can pick up pretty decent portable studio flash units for about £100, well you used to be able to, I ain't looked lately. You would need a minimum of 2, 1 for the main light and the other to "fill in". Softboxes are better but umberalla's work well, you would also need a flash meter to get the exposures right, you can always adjust after but it's needs to be pretty well exposed to start with.

I suppose you could get away with on light source, just position centre and raised, so any shadows fall off behind the model, again it depends on what you are going for. If it's going to be "Amateur" then just used the on camera flash.

If I were you I would take Xcite-tv up on his offer and pop along to see him :)

[daveydude]

Try searching for "Interfit" products. I know they aren't pro quality, but we've had 2 kits of theirs for over a year now and they do us fine. They wouldn't stand up to being used day-in-day-out I reckon, but for relatively light use they are fine.

[daveydude]

http://www.karlu.com/index.php?cPath=41_64_65_368

[Geezer]

have you got some linkage to such a magical box?

Here You Go! (http://www.jessops.com/search/viewproduct.cfm?PRODUCT=INFCF150S&BRAND=&CONTINUE=false&FEATS=&FIRSTPRICE=&KEYWORD=&LEVEL=&MODELNUMBER=&NEWQUERY=True&NODE=263&ORD=ASC&ORDERBY=&QUANTITY=10&RECENT=0&REFINE=&SEARCH_FOR=&SEARCHNODE=0&SEARCHURL=dointellisearch.cfm&SECONDPRICE=&SHOWCASEID=&STARTROW=1&SUBS=&WORD_SEARCH=N&)

[Geezer]

Try This One (http://www.jessops.com/search/viewproduct.cfm?PRODUCT=INF3200KK&BRAND=&CONTINUE=false&FEATS=&FIRSTPRICE=&KEYWORD=&LEVEL=&MODELNUMBER=&NEWQUERY=True&NODE=316&ORD=ASC&ORDERBY=&QUANTITY=10&RECENT=0&REFINE=&SEARCH_FOR=&SEARCHNODE=0&SEARCHURL=dointellisearch.cfm&SECONDPRICE=&SHOWCASEID=&STARTROW=1&SUBS=&WORD_SEARCH=N&)

[Joe A]

A lot of togs use this forum: http://www.themodelsclub.co.uk/forum/index.php

You'll get some good advise there and Jessops have a wide range of lighting: http://www.jessops.com/search/showsubdept.cfm?node=262

[Cardinal_Sin]

You can spend far too long looking for the right gear to shoot your own stuff - And when you do, you will make shitloads of cock ups. We all did - Best thing to do is learn how to correct your cock ups first in a good photo editor - Then go out and buy any old shit coz it won't matter all that much!

[Paul Markham]

I want to do my own programming can someone recommend me a computer to start with. Also will I need a key board and screen?

Well that's how these threads sound to us shooters and if you're buying in bad stuff don't even dream you can shoot good stuff.

To shoot porn you need a lot more than a camera, try lights, stands, umbrellas, triggers and a light meter for a kick off.

Buy a cheap camera and it will be slow, the model will think you're a dick head trying to see naked females. Cheap lights do not always fire at the same strength, slow to recharge and then explode if over worked.

So you have all your camera equipment, now spend a month learning how to use it so you don't think of it any more. Once that is done start working out lighting the set, this will mean another month.

So now you can use the equipment.

Now start to think about locations, or were you going to shoot every girl on the same bed and sofa? Plug in $300 a shoot for locations and transport, over the top but best to be safe.

Now put an ad in your local paper and wait for the phone to ring. You have to meet and interview prospective models. Where will you do this, what will you tell them, how much will you pay them and what qualities do you think it takes to make a good model?

Now you have your equipment, location and models. Now the serious stuff starts. Now you have to learn how to make a girl with no intentions of fucking anyone look like she will fuck the world for a pizza. This girl thinks your a tosser trying to see naked females with the excuse of being a photographer, she's also on guard.

Do you know the basic 25 positions, how to direct her from one to the other, the order to shoot them in, how she should look at you, think and act?

Get all the above right and your pictures will look 25% as good as ours and cost about 6 times more for exclusive. get it wrong and your site has nothing to offer the surfer then the other 1,000 sites out there every day doing the same thing.

Any idea why Hustler, Club, Mayfair, Razzle, Escort, Readers Wives, etc. buy in content if it were that easy? They know it's cheaper and better to buy in.

I'm tough but honest.

[Cardinal_Sin]

I want to do my own programming can someone recommend me a computer to start with. Also will I need a key board and screen?

Well that's how these threads sound to us shooters and if you're buying in bad stuff don't even dream you can shoot good stuff.

To shoot porn you need a lot more than a camera, try lights, stands, umbrellas, triggers and a light meter for a kick off.

Buy a cheap camera and it will be slow, the model will think you're a dick head trying to see naked females. Cheap lights do not always fire at the same strength, slow to recharge and then explode if over worked.

So you have all your camera equipment, now spend a month learning how to use it so you don't think of it any more. Once that is done start working out lighting the set, this will mean another month.

So now you can use the equipment.

Now start to think about locations, or were you going to shoot every girl on the same bed and sofa? Plug in $300 a shoot for locations and transport, over the top but best to be safe.

Now put an ad in your local paper and wait for the phone to ring. You have to meet and interview prospective models. Where will you do this, what will you tell them, how much will you pay them and what qualities do you think it takes to make a good model?

Now you have your equipment, location and models. Now the serious stuff starts. Now you have to learn how to make a girl with no intentions of fucking anyone look like she will fuck the world for a pizza. This girl thinks your a tosser trying to see naked females with the excuse of being a photographer, she's also on guard.

Do you know the basic 25 positions, how to direct her from one to the other, the order to shoot them in, how she should look at you, think and act?

Get all the above right and your pictures will look 25% as good as ours and cost about 6 times more for exclusive. get it wrong and your site has nothing to offer the surfer then the other 1,000 sites out there every day doing the same thing.

Any idea why Hustler, Club, Mayfair, Razzle, Escort, Readers Wives, etc. buy in content if it were that easy? They know it's cheaper and better to buy in.

I'm tough but honest.


Paul - Your stuff is great - That is why it is all over the net. One of the reasons I wouldn't dream of wasting a dime on one of your pics (Sounds bad saying it that way - It isn't meant to be.)
When you are down to niche/micro niche, the only good photographers are the guys that run interractive sites and are in a good position to listen to what their members want - The member doesn't give a fuck if you are using a flash, or 20k's worth of lighting equipment - The member wants a pic or a vid that gets him wanking. Ain't a single photographer out there that knows all the niche stuff inside out - Unfortunately, most of them sell the stuff to ignorant webmasters - I can show you a thousand leg fetish websites (including ALL of those run buy the big programmes) that have unbelievable content in quality from all the top guys like yourself - But the stuff is both over-used and non-niche-correct.
If you haven't got a clue about photography and you are into micro-niche such as tj is - invest heavily in time spent with your members - It is quicker to learn about what they want and to deliver it, than to spend thousands of dollars on content sites who most probably do not understand in the slightest, the niche you are in.

[alan]

Paul - Your stuff is great - That is why it is all over the net. One of the reasons I wouldn't dream of wasting a dime on one of your pics (Sounds bad saying it that way - It isn't meant to be.)
When you are down to niche/micro niche, the only good photographers are the guys that run interractive sites and are in a good position to listen to what their members want - The member doesn't give a fuck if you are using a flash, or 20k's worth of lighting equipment - The member wants a pic or a vid that gets him wanking. Ain't a single photographer out there that knows all the niche stuff inside out - Unfortunately, most of them sell the stuff to ignorant webmasters - I can show you a thousand leg fetish websites (including ALL of those run buy the big programmes) that have unbelievable content in quality from all the top guys like yourself - But the stuff is both over-used and non-niche-correct.
If you haven't got a clue about photography and you are into micro-niche such as tj is - invest heavily in time spent with your members - It is quicker to learn about what they want and to deliver it, than to spend thousands of dollars on content sites who most probably do not understand in the slightest, the niche you are in.

:gold:
Best post of the day!

[-HF]

without making any statement, let me share a snippet of an ICQ conversation. and for the bitches, the sites sell. ;)

-HF (AB): hey. we once talked breifly about you using the Digital Rebel for the shootings - i forgot which lens you use, care to bump my memory?
[name removed]: the stock one
[name removed]: and its overkill shooting with the rebel i think i dunno
[name removed]: im using an elp[h lately
[name removed]: for stills
[name removed]: and canon vx2100 video cam and grabbing vidcaps
-HF (AB): i like the rebel for being light but usually have a different lens on it. elp[h ? i dont think that's sold under this name here
[name removed]: canon elp
[name removed]: powershot
[name removed]: 510d or something
[name removed]: its really small like a pack of smokes small
-HF (AB): you are joking?
[name removed]: but the flash smooths skin better than photoshop! while the rebel brings out every detail on models skin
[name removed]: not good
[name removed]: nope
[name removed]: 99% of the site was produced with a $300 camera and NO lighting

[xcite-tv]

They are both great posts
and they are both right

I said this the other day that you should specialise in your own field of expertise
and was quite rightly shot down in flames this is a unique business and you can shoot the best quality HDTV footage or pro lit studio quality stills but if you cant webmaster nobody will see a minute of it

[Shandy McAndy]

I want to do my own programming can someone recommend me a computer to start with. Also will I need a key board and screen?

Well that's how these threads sound to us shooters and if you're buying in bad stuff don't even dream you can shoot good stuff.

To shoot porn you need a lot more than a camera, try lights, stands, umbrellas, triggers and a light meter for a kick off.

Buy a cheap camera and it will be slow, the model will think you're a dick head trying to see naked females. Cheap lights do not always fire at the same strength, slow to recharge and then explode if over worked.

So you have all your camera equipment, now spend a month learning how to use it so you don't think of it any more. Once that is done start working out lighting the set, this will mean another month.

So now you can use the equipment.

Now start to think about locations, or were you going to shoot every girl on the same bed and sofa? Plug in $300 a shoot for locations and transport, over the top but best to be safe.

Now put an ad in your local paper and wait for the phone to ring. You have to meet and interview prospective models. Where will you do this, what will you tell them, how much will you pay them and what qualities do you think it takes to make a good model?

Now you have your equipment, location and models. Now the serious stuff starts. Now you have to learn how to make a girl with no intentions of fucking anyone look like she will fuck the world for a pizza. This girl thinks your a tosser trying to see naked females with the excuse of being a photographer, she's also on guard.

Do you know the basic 25 positions, how to direct her from one to the other, the order to shoot them in, how she should look at you, think and act?

Get all the above right and your pictures will look 25% as good as ours and cost about 6 times more for exclusive. get it wrong and your site has nothing to offer the surfer then the other 1,000 sites out there every day doing the same thing.

Any idea why Hustler, Club, Mayfair, Razzle, Escort, Readers Wives, etc. buy in content if it were that easy? They know it's cheaper and better to buy in.

I'm tough but honest.

Kind of like when you made that shitty affiliate program, when the the design was shit and the thumbs in your hosted galleries were resized full size images. Which made your thumbnails 100k in size! Maybe you also should stick to taking pictures of east European hookers instead of making paysites, when you dont even know what a hosted gallery is. Without all the thumbs being 100k in size :takethat:

[alan]

without making any statement, let me share a snippet of an ICQ conversation. and for the bitches, the sites sell. ;)

I use a Canon Powershot for outdoor flashing pics. It is small and very discreet. I've found in the past that using my larger Nikon can attract a lot more attention and doesn't produce pics as good as the Canon (but that's more likely to be my lack of expertise).

Like I said, it is ideal for public flashing but don't use it indoors, it is shite for that and a bitch for red eye with the flash.

[Paul Markham]

Paul - Your stuff is great - That is why it is all over the net. One of the reasons I wouldn't dream of wasting a dime on one of your pics (Sounds bad saying it that way - It isn't meant to be.)
When you are down to niche/micro niche, the only good photographers are the guys that run interractive sites and are in a good position to listen to what their members want - The member doesn't give a fuck if you are using a flash, or 20k's worth of lighting equipment - The member wants a pic or a vid that gets him wanking. Ain't a single photographer out there that knows all the niche stuff inside out - Unfortunately, most of them sell the stuff to ignorant webmasters - I can show you a thousand leg fetish websites (including ALL of those run buy the big programmes) that have unbelievable content in quality from all the top guys like yourself - But the stuff is both over-used and non-niche-correct.
If you haven't got a clue about photography and you are into micro-niche such as tj is - invest heavily in time spent with your members - It is quicker to learn about what they want and to deliver it, than to spend thousands of dollars on content sites who most probably do not understand in the slightest, the niche you are in.
Load of crap!!

Sorry but it's true.

If my stuff was all over the net how many time do you think I would have to sell it to achieve that? Would make me very very rich which sadly I'm not.

If I sell it again and again to some of the best teen sites on the net why do these very experieced site owners keep buying it? Seems thety would soon learn whether or not it worked.

Yes niches are hard to shoot if you do not understand them. so you thinki a member will bother to sign up and tell you where you're going wrong while you attempt to shoot his fetish niche? Get it right to keep them from the beginning, then they will tell you how to improve it.

Equipment and photography have little to do with porn, I can give you all my equipment, models and studio and still out porn shoot you. Porn is not photography and amateur is not an excuse for crap.

What ever the niche you are creating a fantasy. Something that the viewer can believe in. To do this you need to know the fantasy, know how to portray it and know how to direct models to your needs. Plus know which ones to kick out the door on the casting.

I learnt all this and anyone who thinks he can pick up a camera and do it is in for a shock, unless he has a natural talent. As for leg fetish, I can shoot it and have many sets in Leg World, Leg Sex and other leg fetish magazines. The reason you see so little of it on the site is because it's more profitable to shoot straight teens, a good leg set takes over an hour to shoot, hour in make up and preperation. Not worth if to sell sets at $40 10 times. Wait my stuff is every where, so how many sales would that be?

[Shandy McAndy]

Load of crap!!

Sorry but it's true.

If my stuff was all over the net how many time do you think I would have to sell it to achieve that? Would make me very very rich which sadly I'm not.

If I sell it again and again to some of the best teen sites on the net why do these very experieced site owners keep buying it? Seems thety would soon learn whether or not it worked.

Yes niches are hard to shoot if you do not understand them. so you thinki a member will bother to sign up and tell you where you're going wrong while you attempt to shoot his fetish niche? Get it right to keep them from the beginning, then they will tell you how to improve it.

Equipment and photography have little to do with porn, I can give you all my equipment, models and studio and still out porn shoot you. Porn is not photography and amateur is not an excuse for crap.

What ever the niche you are creating a fantasy. Something that the viewer can believe in. To do this you need to know the fantasy, know how to portray it and know how to direct models to your needs. Plus know which ones to kick out the door on the casting.

I learnt all this and anyone who thinks he can pick up a camera and do it is in for a shock, unless he has a natural talent. As for leg fetish, I can shoot it and have many sets in Leg World, Leg Sex and other leg fetish magazines. The reason you see so little of it on the site is because it's more profitable to shoot straight teens, a good leg set takes over an hour to shoot, hour in make up and preperation. Not worth if to sell sets at $40 10 times. Wait my stuff is every where, so how many sales would that be?

How does that explain that shitty pay site you started with 100k thumbs that linked to your shitty galleries that then promoted that shitty pay site you had? Have you heard the phrase "The pot calling the kettle black arse"?

You can shoot all the content in the world you want, with all the correct lighting, but if you cant even make a gallery in todays market than forget it. All you will be is another failed webmaster who started to late

[Paul Markham]

How does that explain that shitty pay site you started with 100k thumbs that linked to your shitty galleries that then promoted that shitty pay site you had? Have you heard the phrase "The pot calling the kettle black arse"?

You can shoot all the content in the world you want, with all the correct lighting, but if you cant even make a gallery in todays market than forget it. All you will be is another failed webmaster who started to late
I never claimed to be a good paysite owner, so what the fuck are you talking about? By the way the shitty bit of traffic we get still converts and stays over 3 months on average so we're not to disappointed.

So back to talking about porn and shooting it.

I actualy said you do not need to have correct lighting to create porn, you need to create the fantasy. Now if that fantasy is the lover shooting a girlfriend then that does not need great lighting or a good camera. What it needs is a look on the girls face that says she wants to shag you. That's tougher than getting the right camera.

[Geezer]

If there's ever an award for blowing your own trumpet, Paul would win every award going.

I know you think your stuff is the best of the best and I'm sure you do sell a lot, but for me you have the girls looking at the camera far too much. You will say this is because it makes the "watcher" feel like he is involved, but I would like to see a lot less of it. When there is a group scene and the girls are looking at the camera it makes it feel more like a "set" rather than natural sex.

It's not so bad for solo girls but then we don't need EVERY shot with her looking into the lens.

I have mentioned this before but I will say it again, your "voyeur" sets are crap, it is so obvious they are fake. Your studio work is too good for voyeur and too well lit. You have some outdoor stuff but you have used fill in flash, not exactly voyeur if there is a flash going off :)

So like you say Paul, know your niche.

I have seen you post many times putting people down and saying they know nothing about producing content and if they are new you try to put them off left right and centre, just like you have here. Are you that worried that someone else might be a competitor?

I'm tough but honest :eyebrows:

[Paul Markham]

without making any statement, let me share a snippet of an ICQ conversation. and for the bitches, the sites sell. ;)
As HF shows you do not need great equipment to shoot porn. What you need is talent in creating porn. A bit harder to get than making a gallery, trust me.

[Shandy McAndy]

I never claimed to be a good paysite owner, so what the fuck are you talking about? By the way the shitty bit of traffic we get still converts and stays over 3 months on average so we're not to disappointed.

So back to talking about porn and shooting it.

I actualy said you do not need to have correct lighting to create porn, you need to create the fantasy. Now if that fantasy is the lover shooting a girlfriend then that does not need great lighting or a good camera. What it needs is a look on the girls face that says she wants to shag you. That's tougher than getting the right camera.

No you was trying to make out that because you could shoot dirty European slappers, that you was in some way superior to the rest of us. Infact you should have a good hard look at yourself. Your content is middle of the range, at very best! maybe you should learn the very basics about having a website before coming to webmaster forums trying to be clever and trying to slag off webmasters about taking photographraphes when after all this time you still dont know what a thumbnail is and that a 100k thumbnail isnt any good to webmasters.

As for your members staying fo 3 months plus. Well done. When you convert 1:5000 like you then maybe staying for 3 months isnt thst great?

Again, before you start trying to be to clever over others, learn how to make a t least a site that converts, or a gallery that has images that the thumbs are less than 100k yourself :)

[Shandy McAndy]

A bit harder to get than making a gallery, trust me.

Maybe a bit harder. But still something you havnt yet mannaged :takethat:

Are you still using 100k images for your thumbnails on your hosted galleries? Or infact do you yet know what 100k is? :)

[craig]

Damn.... another fine ruck may I say.

I'm only a humble lad with humble earnings. :)

My thoughts for what they are worth are, I think people are missing the point to some degree.

We have made our money with cheapish equipment compared to what the pros use.

Our sales have been based on three main factors. The model and the models personality, and consistant updates.

For the peeps who are talking about equipment, lighting and locations etc, can I just ask.

If you use the same equipment, same lighting and same location, does every model make exactly the same amount of sales?

If not, then does this not prove that the model and the way she comes across could be the most important factors?

[Paul Markham]

No you was trying to make out that because you could shoot dirty European slappers, that you was in some way superior to the rest of us. Infact you should have a good hard look at yourself. Your content is middle of the range, at very best! maybe you should learn the very basics about having a website before coming to webmaster forums trying to be clever and trying to slag off webmasters about taking photographraphes when after all this time you still dont know what a thumbnail is and that a 100k thumbnail isnt any good to webmasters.

As for your members staying fo 3 months plus. Well done. When you convert 1:5000 like you then maybe staying for 3 months isnt thst great?

Again, before you start trying to be to clever over others, learn how to make a t least a site that converts, or a gallery that has images that the thumbs are less than 100k yourself :)Our content is in more teen magazines than any other shooter, magazines that pay $2,000 a set and more, it's also on more teen sites than most other shooters. This is about business and making money we are at the top of the money tree.

The content may be middle range, but that would make me a great marketing man and buyers not too bright. so maybe we are better than midle range.

But you keep coming back to my paysite skills so I will see if this gets through to you.

I'M A CRAP PAYSITE OWNER WHO KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT RUNNING ONE OR RUNNING AN AFFILIATE PROGRAM.

I started it when the content business was running down, then the content business picked up again and I simply do not have the time to promote it. Our traffic from paysites converts at 1:50, review sites 1:100 and our TGP efforts about 1:500. So no idea where you get 1:5,000.

craig you have hit it on the head, it's not about the equipment it's about personality and what you get out of the model. Sometimes it needs to be dragged other times it flows.

The thing is if you're a programer then the same equipment and program will always produce the same results. If you're a shooter you know the models or shooters mood that day will effect the out come of the shoot.

But it's easier to drag a thread off side ways to criticise.

[Cardinal_Sin]

Load of crap!!

Yes niches are hard to shoot if you do not understand them. so you thinki a member will bother to sign up and tell you where you're going wrong while you attempt to shoot his fetish niche? Get it right to keep them from the beginning, then they will tell you how to improve it.

Like I said - Interactivity with the member is of paramount importance if you want to keep your sites true to any fetish and also keep them buzzing with members - Which I have been doing well since 1996 - I do not spend my time promoting my programme on web boards - I make far more cash spending time talking to members so that I always know what they need - If you think a member wouldn't take the time to describe what he likes to see, take your head out of your ass and quite blowing your own trumpet. You do know how to do some good work, but you don't know when you are making a prat of yourself.

And, yes, Craig - totally right about the model - Models that can bring a set alive with their own knowledge of the fetish/genre and have that ability "spark" in front of the camera/video are few and far between - I would also add they are never found on content sites - Any photogrpher who finds a gem like that would open a site for her and keep her content away from general use.

[NumptyNuts]

I just read through this and I know I could never shoot content, in my time I have seen Paul shooting a lass and to be frank I didnt quite know where to put myself.

If I was to do it I know I would need a lot more then equipment, studio and ton of locations - that is the ability to put the model at ease in order to produce something which does not look 'awkward'.

What give Paul and other content producers the edge is that as JT has said too many people think they can do it and can't. Once all the images are produced you have to get them from the camera to the PC and ready for publishing. All of this is hard dull work that HAS to be done.

What I would be interested to know is this - how many pics do you have to shoot to produce a set of 80?

[xcite-tv]

[QUOTE=Paul Markham]
Equipment and photography have little to do with porn, I can give you all my equipment, models and studio and still out porn shoot you. Porn is not photography and amateur is not an excuse for crap.
QUOTE]

After reading all this and seeing some chests expanding I would just like to make one point regarding the above statement...

How can anybody, no matter how long in any given field say they can "still our porn shoot you" and that he is at the "top of the money earning tree"

What an Ego

We all have a lot to learn and mainly that we are all still learning and never stop

that is my last ever bitch on here from now on if i aint got anything nice to say i will not say it ....If anyone needs help, just ask, i will oblige if i can
I hope you will all do the same for me

ta

ooooh came over all loved up there

oh bye the way someone asked yesterday if i needed a model release for the pic on my profile thing.......er no... its the missus

[Rosie]

I wouldn't dream of having one else shooting my content. I don't think there's anyone else who could get the Shadowslaves vibe even partly right. Some niches seem to be easy enough to shoot if you have a clue what you're doing, but I have to say I've never seen decent BDSM content unless it's shot by the site owner..... and I have to sound like an arrogant bitch here, but I don't think content producers SHOULD be shooting BDSM content unless they've been actively playing with BDSM for many years.

[Joe A]

Rosie it's the same for all niches... :)

If you know and like a niche.. Stick to it and don't try what you don't know. The only time I've shot caucasian models with Sahara for the site. I've had black models who've told me that the pics I did for their books were better than most togs and I am a crap tog but I know the lighting for darker skinned females, as I only work with them.

I agree 100% with your BDSM comment . After we did a Femdom stills and vid shoot for the first time, I had a feeling that it wasn't as good as it could have been. Do you use two togs for vids ? I found at times I was shooting one angle when I wanted another at the same time... But with editing thank god it didn't end up as bad as I first thought.. LOL.

[cock-a-leekie]

A camera is a camera is a camera....

JT, buy an entry-level dSLR, which ever feels the most combatable to handle. Get yourself a good dedicated bounce head flash for it and maybe a very wide-angle lens to go with the stock zoom. Make sure you get a couple of extra batteries and a fast charger if it doesn't come with it, or get them to throw a battery in, and don't forget - lots of memory. This lot will cost you about £1000-£1500 depending on what you go for and you can always upgrade the the flash at a later date if you feel the need to, but I doubt you will.

I think photography probably accounts for around 10% of the actual sales. It's more a question of marketing and understanding the niche you're covering. Even when you think you understand it, your sales and members may be telling you otherwise. I think the best niche photographers are those who are genuine fans of the genre themselves, so it's probably a good idea to concentrate on what really interests you.

I don't think you can loose, you already have the traffic and the ability to promote it well. I guarantee that you'll get your money back, it just may take a while if it doesn't work out as well as you'd hoped. Sure you could just buy the content buy where the fun in that? Besides which you can double your bets and still do that as well.

I hear the Olympus E-300 is an excellent camera and at this price it's a steal!

http://www.jessops.com/search/viewproduct.cfm?PRODUCT=OLYE300K&BRAND=&CONTINUE=false&FEATS=&FIRSTPRICE=&KEYWORD=&LEVEL=&MODELNUMBER=&NEWQUERY=True&NODE=481&ORD=ASC&ORDERBY=&QUANTITY=10&RECENT=0&REFINE=&SEARCH_FOR=&SEARCHNODE=0&SEARCHURL=dointellisearch.cfm&SECONDPRICE=&SHOWCASEID=&STARTROW=1&SUBS=&WORD_SEARCH=N&

Good Luck.

[Paul Markham]

If there's ever an award for blowing your own trumpet, Paul would win every award going.

I know you think your stuff is the best of the best and I'm sure you do sell a lot, but for me you have the girls looking at the camera far too much. You will say this is because it makes the "watcher" feel like he is involved, but I would like to see a lot less of it. When there is a group scene and the girls are looking at the camera it makes it feel more like a "set" rather than natural sex.

It's not so bad for solo girls but then we don't need EVERY shot with her looking into the lens.

I have mentioned this before but I will say it again, your "voyeur" sets are crap, it is so obvious they are fake. Your studio work is too good for voyeur and too well lit. You have some outdoor stuff but you have used fill in flash, not exactly voyeur if there is a flash going off :)

So like you say Paul, know your niche.

I have seen you post many times putting people down and saying they know nothing about producing content and if they are new you try to put them off left right and centre, just like you have here. Are you that worried that someone else might be a competitor?

I'm tough but honest :eyebrows:
I'm not quite sure what site you're looking at.

I was taught to shoot couples looking at each other and will continue to do so, except on a few shots.

The voyeur stuff is mostly shot in apartments in Prague or in the shower room with no lighting.

We never shoot video when shooting stills, so how the fuck do youknow I use a fill in flash? Or better still the surfer.

Our style of solo girl is about the girl looking at the viewer with an invitation in her eyes. Go elsewhere for other styles.

You seem to be talking about someone else because you obviously are not talking about us. As for our quality of work, well that in the commercial field is down to the money it earns. You think you know a better content shooter, then point them out to me please.

What I would be interested to know is this - how many pics do you have to shoot to produce a set of 80? That's like saying how much petrol do I need to drive from London to Leeds.

Depends firstly on the style you're shooting, the model, location and finally the shooter. For instance if I'm shooting my happy teens style I would say 95% are useable, if I'm shooting up market it would be 90%. This is assuming the model is good. Get a poor one that can't be motivated and you have a tough time and the ratios worsen. Get a drafty location, bad model, bad shooter and they plummet.

xcite-tv yes I have an ego and am arrogant, but was the statement untrue?

If anyone looks around the Internet they will see many posts and articles written by me about how to get into shooting porn. The last thing I am is scared of competition.

The only thing a good camera, in the hands of a bad shooter, does is impress the model. Which is a pretty good thing when you think about it.

[Rosie]

Do you use two togs for vids ?

What the bleedin' hell is a tog? LOL

We use two cameras for vids yes (and stills too), I'm usually on one camera and then can cut to the other angle to edit out all my fidgeting, coughing, and other strange noises - not to mention the inexplicable moments when I'm filming the floor or my ear.

[Paul Markham]

Like I said - Interactivity with the member is of paramount importance if you want to keep your sites true to any fetish and also keep them buzzing with members - Which I have been doing well since 1996 - I do not spend my time promoting my programme on web boards - I make far more cash spending time talking to members so that I always know what they need - If you think a member wouldn't take the time to describe what he likes to see, take your head out of your ass and quite blowing your own trumpet. You do know how to do some good work, but you don't know when you are making a prat of yourself.

I never said members won't talk to you, they email me so much I put up a forum for them.

What I said was the site has to have enough good content in the niche the surfer wants for him to become a member. Talking to members will fine tune the site, but they will not teach you if the site is not good enough for them to sign up in the first place.

[Rosie]

I never said members won't talk to you, they email me so much I put up a forum for them.

What I said was the site has to have enough good content in the niche the surfer wants for him to become a member. Talking to members will fine tune the site, but they will not teach you if the site is not good enough for them to sign up in the first place.

It's a bit of both really, getting the sign ups is easy as pie if you've got halfway decent content that is relevant and understanding of your niche. It's keeping the punters happy and getting the rebills that makes all the difference between a site standing or falling.

[Geezer]

I'm not quite sure what site you're looking at.

I was taught to shoot couples looking at each other and will continue to do so, except on a few shots.

The voyeur stuff is mostly shot in apartments in Prague or in the shower room with no lighting.

We never shoot video when shooting stills, so how the fuck do youknow I use a fill in flash? Or better still the surfer.

Our style of solo girl is about the girl looking at the viewer with an invitation in her eyes. Go elsewhere for other styles.



I wasn't looking at any site, I was looking at your content :)

Seeing as you are "honest" answer me this: "have you used fill in flash for your so called voyeur or not"?

I already know the answer but thought I would ask anyway.

How would I know, erm cos I can see it. I have been a photographer for 14 years so I do have a bit of a clue. Obviously I'm nowhere near your standard because you are the best photographer around today.

Paul, you might be a big shot in prague and maybe it's gone to your head a little too much. Try coming over here and see how you get on.


So if we want anything different from you we shouldn't bother and just go elsewhere?, why I have seen you post and ask what we want from a content provider then?

Iv'e seen you post a lot of times giving it Charlie Big Potatos and slagging people off and putting them down when they even mention shooting content.

Learn to take criticism and advice, who knows you might even be able to do better then you already do.

[Geezer]

I wasn't going to bother but then I wasn't doing much, anyway here is just one example from one set.

Looking at The Camera (http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~123456/looking/)

How do I know she is looking at the camera, cos I can fucking see it :lmao2:

[-HF]

I was taught to shoot .....
people were also once taught you die if you ride on a train going faster than 20 miles an hour.

If anyone looks around the Internet they will see many posts and articles written by me about how to get into shooting porn. The last thing I am is scared of competition.
interestingly i have yet to see any other article trying to be so offputting as yours are. anyone just having read your view of things must conclude only your way of going about it can reap any success, while we see from my ICQ snippet that this isn't true at all.

[JT]

people were also once taught you die if you ride on a train going faster than 20 miles an hour.

Isnt that true? :doh:

[xcite-tv]

[QUOTE=Paul Markham]
xcite-tv yes I have an ego and am arrogant, but was the statement untrue?
.QUOTE]

of course its untrue, to say you could outshoot anybody

I am holding back going any further due to lmy last statement posted

I have an opinion which i will keep to myself its not relevent for us as we dont buy content from anybody so cannot judge

We only judge our own production standards which are far from perfect but we have happy clients and make money

remember if you stand on people on the way up its harder when you go back down past them
we dont use such tactics in business as arrogance or ego's

[Joe A]

Rosie..

If you and I can talk sense amongst all the bickering :)

Togs = photographers .. It's used by the lazy like me.. Now you've made me write the whole word ... LOL.

I thought you used two. One of my pals does panty wetting sites and he could do with three different angles at the same time. How many stills could one "photographer" take of that type of content :)

[Paul Markham]

It's a bit of both really, getting the sign ups is easy as pie if you've got halfway decent content that is relevant and understanding of your niche. It's keeping the punters happy and getting the rebills that makes all the difference between a site standing or falling.
Yes, getting sign ups with decent content is half the battle, getting the traffic is the other half. And what ever is your best skill makes the other skill king. For me to get content it's easy, getting traffic is the hard part, but we convert at 1:400 so no need to worry about that.

[Paul Markham]

I wasn't looking at any site, I was looking at your content :)

Seeing as you are "honest" answer me this: "have you used fill in flash for your so called voyeur or not"?

I already know the answer but thought I would ask anyway.

How would I know, erm cos I can see it. I have been a photographer for 14 years so I do have a bit of a clue. Obviously I'm nowhere near your standard because you are the best photographer around today.

Paul, you might be a big shot in prague and maybe it's gone to your head a little too much. Try coming over here and see how you get on.


So if we want anything different from you we shouldn't bother and just go elsewhere?, why I have seen you post and ask what we want from a content provider then?

Iv'e seen you post a lot of times giving it Charlie Big Potatos and slagging people off and putting them down when they even mention shooting content.

Learn to take criticism and advice, who knows you might even be able to do better then you already do.
On some we used a studio flash, on others natural light and on some flash on camera. You might be able to tell the difference, the surfer will not be so wise or care.

As for coming over to see if I can cut it there. Do you mean England. The place I worked for the first 20 years of my porn career?

[Geezer]

On some we used a studio flash, on others natural light and on some flash on camera. You might be able to tell the difference, the surfer will not be so wise or care.

Don't underestimate the surfer, people who like voyeur WILL be able to tell and that's the point. I know people who have bought your "voyeur" stuff purely and simply becuse it's the best of a bad lot.

I think it's proof that you should stick to what you know, just by having the girls not lookig at the camera does NOT make a voyeur pic/video.
Although saying that, if you are willing to listen and take advice you could be producing realistic looking voyeur. I think I gave you an idea before on another board but if your arrogance prevents you from listening and learning then that's fine.

[Paul Markham]

Don't underestimate the surfer, people who like voyeur WILL be able to tell and that's the point. I know people who have bought your "voyeur" stuff purely and simply becuse it's the best of a bad lot.

I think it's proof that you should stick to what you know, just by having the girls not lookig at the camera does NOT make a voyeur pic/video.
Although saying that, if you are willing to listen and take advice you could be producing realistic looking voyeur. I think I gave you an idea before on another board but if your arrogance prevents you from listening and learning then that's fine.
I'm always willing to listen and do take on a lot of the advice given to me. But some of it is wrong for us and some will simply not work.

As for girls looking at the camera, well I know voyeur is more than that.

But here you will see stuff shot with a camera in a place the models do not know about, models in the woods, or shot through a half open door.

The biggest problem with shooting content for the Internet is ROI. Simply put if we were able to sell a niche set/video for $1,000 that allows us $333 to invest in shooting it. Because the model will cost money over the top of that.

Now that's a tall order with exclusive guys competing at $300 a set/video and even harder to sell it $50 at 20 times.

Shoot the same girl in a normal scene and $1,000 a normal return. This is not just Voyeur, it's true about all the niches.

Now I know the argument is some can do it, but if they could sell there content for $1000 they simply would not be selling it for $300. We've tried brokering for some of these guys and their content will not resell at an acceptable rate. Many reasons, lack of camera skills, model skills and above all porn skills. Forget about equipment that's the easy part.

And this is what all new shooters face, including me when I started, the slow uphill struggle to learn a trade and cut yourself above the other 5,000 sites out there selling the same thing and thinking shooting it themselves is the answer. The answer is to do what I'm doing concentrating on the skills I have, producing porn, and letting others sell my content to the consumer.

As for me thinking I'm the best, I never said that. I said I could out shoot a newbie. Tghese are guys way better than me.

Steve Colby
Jack Harrison
Viv Thomas
Joanie Alumn
Suze Randall
And MANY MANY more.

[xcite-tv]

There you go again.....

Given the equipment we have nowadays I actually think a "newbie" with enough creative talent might and i said might, just produce something outstandingly different and while not being the porn "norm" might be better for that very reason.

Actually if you want to just continue to produce in the old fashioned way of the porn world.
Provided that 80's sofa stayed in the same position I am sure a company could produce a robotic arm with a voice direction tape that would produce equally good results and certainly consistantly better

i have an idea

lets get two models. same location and lets all shoot 40 mins each behind closed doors 20 good stills and 20 mins of video, to be self edited.

I would wager everything that the results would be suprising (and i dont think for a minute i would come out anywhere nr top) but also i bet the guy here saying he is top dog and all those on his list wouldn't be either


i caved in sorry

[Cardinal_Sin]

There you go again.....

Given the equipment we have nowadays I actually think a "newbie" with enough creative talent might and i said might, just produce something outstandingly different and while not being the porn "norm" might be better for that very reason.

Actually if you want to just continue to produce in the old fashioned way of the porn world.
Provided that 80's sofa stayed in the same position I am sure a company could produce a robotic arm with a voice direction tape that would produce equally good results and certainly consistantly better

i have an idea

lets get two models. same location and lets all shoot 40 mins each behind closed doors 20 good stills and 20 mins of video, to be self edited.

I would wager everything that the results would be suprising (and i dont think for a minute i would come out anywhere nr top) but also i bet the guy here saying he is top dog and all those on his list wouldn't be either


i caved in sorry


Made some very valid points in this post - Importantly, for me, is the fact of creativity...
Verse that against the bog standard thinking of the geriatric 25 poses that has already been mentioned and I know who I would side with and which would make me yawn.

/// Right girl - I want a good foot fetish set today with you in brown Alberts ff and worn 4 inchers - This set is mainly about dipping and toe cleveage - As requested by member A, but please remember to use all 25 different poses and you must show your pussy!///

Foot fetish, for examply, rarely has anything to do with sex - Look around all the content supplyers and it is 99% naked feet wanking a guy -

Why buy a mini when you can create your own Bently?

[Paul Markham]

As someone who has made money shooting for over 25 years let me list the steps to shooting porn in the order of dificulty and explain why.

Getting equipment, easy just go out and buy it. Iff you can't afford decent equipment the rest is a no go area.

Learning how to use it. Takes a few weeks maximum with digital.

Locations, use your home until it's shot to death then redecorate. some mi9ght question why you are always painting your living room but what the fuck, tell them you like a change. IKEA furniture is cheap and hotel rooms can be booked for $150 to $300 a night.

Learning the positions. About 30 for solo and 50 for couples. Try to be inventive but you will find it's been done before.

Finding a niche. Do the one you love.

Organising the shoot. Easy really if you know what you want.

Getting people to answer an advert. Just get it in the local rag and the phone will ring all the time. About 4-5 will turn up and 1-2 might be suitable. This is assuming you're in a major city, like London or Manchester. Try doing it in Norwish and you will soon run out of girls.

Knowing which one is suitable. Art on any good interviewer is to sense who can do the job properly and why. Or how to explain how it needs to be done, well enough for them to think you know what you're talking about.

Dealing with agents. Good supply of models, but if you think I'm tough with newbie shooters wait till you deal with agents. They know the faliure rate of new shooters and are not there to help you.

Shooting porn. The model has little to no respect for you unless you earn it. most of the time they will be wary of you. you need to work at how to make them trust you and respect you. Too soft and they walk over you, too hard and they reject you. Making a girl look like she will fuck the world for a pizza when she has no intentions of fucking or even letting you touch her is an art. Dealing with things like boyfriends, PMT, periods, off days is all part of the business.

Developing a style that sets you apart from all the other new shooters. This is tough as you struggle with the equipment, poses, running order, props and model. I would say give yourself 6 months shooting 1 day a week.

Updating a site with enough fresh new good content. Not many members will not hang around for one update a week. One a day with a fresh attracive girl and scenario would be the optimum, any more a luxury. Now try and find 50 attractive girls a year. Reckon to find 5 if you do it yourself and 5 from agents. Agency girls are sent to a newbie shooter last. He has less money to spend than the big guys and the big guys are a known quantity.

If you're in a major centre and can pay the money you can get agents to send girls. If you stick at it you climb the pecking order.

Talent. Some people have it and some sadly do not. All you see today are those who do, the others are gone. Those who do, Lightspeed, Alsscan, Teen Dreams, Simon Scans. All these guys have it to some degree and some still buy from me, some find it cheaper because the $1500 I will charge is peanuts up against what they are worth.

So there you have it.

Not impossible in fact it's very doable, we have an experienced staff of four, 3500 square foot studio, apartment in Prague just for shooting and all the agents deal with us, plus other supplies of models. We can shoot 500 sets and 200 videos a year with a good selection of girls. So not too hard for a brand new guy to produce half that if he works at it full time.

[Paul Markham]

i have an idea

lets get two models. same location and lets all shoot 40 mins each behind closed doors 20 good stills and 20 mins of video, to be self edited.

I would wager everything that the results would be suprising (and i dont think for a minute i would come out anywhere nr top) but also i bet the guy here saying he is top dog and all those on his list wouldn't be either


i caved in sorrySounds good to me, give me 30 minutes to shoot the stills, I'm getting slower as I get older.

Then I'll submit the two sets and videos to clients, with no idea of who shot them, and the one who makes the most money is the winner.

Sorry about my bad typing in the thread above. Another thing I suck at is typing. :eyebrows:

[-HF]

Getting equipment, easy just go out and buy it. Iff you can't afford decent equipment the rest is a no go area.

As HF shows you do not need great equipment to shoot porn. What you need is talent in creating porn. A bit harder to get than making a gallery, trust me.

i'm a bit confused now.

[Geezer]

Paul, give it a rest!

You are still trying to make it sound like it would be a nightmare and too expensive to shoot content. You are talking from a content provider perspective.

I bet SterlingCash don't spend the amount of time, money and hassle you are talking about, or any other "sites" that do all their own shooting.

You sound like the paysite owners who make it sound like setting up and running a paysite is beyond everyone but them.

I was always a bit weary of starting a paysite because of all the bollocks that is put about, the same sort of shit you are spouting.

After setting up my first site I realised how it is not actually rocket science and that you can have a paysite set up and earning you money relatively easily.

My second site is doing pretty well and I'm more than happy with the sign ups and retention. Had I listened to people like you who try make it sound so hard to set up then I would never have taken the plunge.

How about you stop trying to put people off and encourage them, even offer advice and tips seeing as you have so much experience, and by advice I don't mean telling them to give up cos they are shit and have no chance of making it.

[Paul Markham]

i'm a bit confused now.
The difference is between decent and great. Decent would be arounf $2,000 upwards. Great $6,000 upwards.

OK Geezer. Maybe the thread starter can keep us up to date with his progress as he shoots girls.

Putting up a site is not hard, getting members to sign in sufficient quantities is the trick.

Sterling Cash do well with their model, who is a darling.

[-HF]

The difference is between decent and great. Decent would be arounf $2,000 upwards. Great $6,000 upwards.

go back to the ICQ snippet i posted. we are talking a 300 buck cam.

[xcite-tv]

I think the bottom line in all of this is that its all bollocks.....

Does experience in shooting count or does equipment

I have been listening to the "equipment" debate for 40 years
from the local camera club (which I refused to join) in the 70's where the chairman won the best photo competition for 7 years straight because he had a Hassleblad and he was chairman.
you can argue till the cows come about equipment but a camera cannot take a picture on its own, Its whats in front of the camera that counts and how you use the equipment....there is one rule i stick to....Put shit in and you get shit out...

We have invested heavily in HD Video equipment We bought the best but are a long way from shooting the best
but we believe that stills will be dead in a few years anyway so only use a good Digital SLR (sub £1000) no point in £5000 worth of D2 kit unless your a photo journalist throwing it about rough terrain (which very few of us do)

So i think equipment counts for little

As for models You can have page after page of good looking girls from Eastern Europe and anywhere else who will sell well but we think the models personality is worth much more $$$$$$ than her looks

In a nutshell This whole thread (apart from helping the instigator get shooting ) was a waste of time and was just an ego trip for some....maybe even me

[gawdi]

Well well well.... I've been away for a few days and looks what happens the best thread comes up since B&B started..... Let me chuck a few things into the cauldren... I'm a paysite owner who shoots all my own material..... I'm not a great photographer but getting better and learning the tricks of the trade so to speak.... but all along i've said I shoot material just for the web so the quality doesnt have to be top notch... anyway a few observations:

Equipment - I'm a canon man, I have 2 x 10d cameras, reason I have 2 is to have backup, not to be flash.... 10d is not the latest and most flashy on the market but it will do 1000+ shots without any problems over a couple of days. If you go the SLR route then the most expensive items will be the lenses, even on the internet a good L series canon lens is £800+ so find the best suited lens for your needs 17-40 zoom or something like that... You can find cheaper lens from other supplier like sigma or tamron which will produce good results. Lighting - I've progresses from a flash gun to a proper studio flash... I get excellent results from this with a good quality large softbox, I reckon the quality of my pics went up by 50% when I invested in a studio flash... I use a flash meter, but u can get away with using the info setting on a camera any use some trial and error.... but never use yr camera on automatic or green setting, switch to manual and set it to a speed of 60 and f16 and see what it looks like.
For video I have 2 camera again, a XL1 and XM 1, again for back up purposes. I have flat panel constant lighting for video which gives a good level of lighting, but is expensive at c £500..... I take video as i'm doing photos, more for time reasons than anything else...but it does make the editing more difficult...
Locations I stated off by using hotel rooms, but found them too constraining.. in terms of space.... Also theres always the possibility of being disturbed!! And light can get very hot and are not suitable for packing away quickly when the hotel manager wants to throw u out!! But u need to use different locations all the time to make your material look different... I now use studios, there quite a few around the uk and they're reasonably priced, say £10 - £30 per hour and a lot of them have their own equipment...
Models I work only with mature lady models which makes life a lot easier because they know what to do and are very reliable...In fact I have a lot more probelms with finding young male models..... But theres plenty of websites with models on... www.modelheaven.com being a good 1 for me...

Planning... I find the hardest part of doing the photoshoots is making it all come together on the day... dont underestimate the amount of planning u have to do...You have to find location, models, agree fees travel expenses etc...accommodation, at least having some outline plan of what u want to shoot.... then theres the problems on the day, will the models turn up on time, or will they turn up at all... males studs who cant get hard and I had 1 who did a runner in the middle of a shoot!!!

So this weekend will find me in a studio in Nottingham, with 6 female models, 2 male models, 3 other photographers and a few hubbys.... I'll extend an invite to anyone from B&B who wants to come along...... Hopefully we'll get about 30 picture sets from it for the ladies own sites....

Picking up on a previous message, I did invite our beloved John Traffic, but he says his passport wont let him north of the thames!!!!!

Also picking up on previous messsages.... re paul markham... hes a very good photographer, know his stuff.. but is a bit opinionated......... but if you take bits of what he says you feel is applicable to you you'll get some good points... Knowin your niche is a good 1.. its a lot harder to photograph a bbw having sex than a young slim woman... cause flabby thighs can cause real problems in getting good shots....

In the age of digital photography, more people like myself are likely to be taking their own content...and most of them will develop their skills through trial and error.. and why not??? So jump in johny and have a go!!!!!

[JT]

Ive seen your stuff really come on Gawdi since you started. Plus with my expert marketing and design you are making good sales now. :)

I guess we have known each other over a year now. Was you a photographer the first time you walked in my office, or has that been learnt over the last year?

[gawdi]

Was a reasonable happy snapper 1 yr ago........ I remember yr face when I told u I was going to shoot all my own content...LOL Anyway, if I can do it, then anyone can do it... with your artistic eye, u should be able to do good shots a lot quicker than i did.... Just open up your wallet (difficult for u i know!!!) and get photographing.... btw, ebay is quite a good place to pick up equipment fairly cheap.... just avoid foreign sellers and the latest products/gizmos.. a decent 10d like mine shouldn't be more than £300-400 normally with a load of extras like spare batteries etc. thrown in...

[xcite-tv]

at last some friendly advice and good sense

[Joe A]

For sets of pix only used on a web site, does using a £300 or £2000+ camera make any difference ? The pix end up between 50-90 k on most sites so shooting with a 5-6 mb camera or a 2 Mb, makes no difference in the end. What counts is how you finish the pix when optimising them..

If you're shooting for a mag, then the quality of the original is far more imortant, as they may end up as full page and then the quality of the camera will show .

Just my amateur thoughts

[cock-a-leekie]

For sets of pix only used on a web site, does using a £300 or £2000+ camera make any difference ? The pix end up between 50-90 k on most sites so shooting with a 5-6 mb camera or a 2 Mb, makes no difference in the end. What counts is how you finish the pix when optimising them..

If you're shooting for a mag, then the quality of the original is far more imortant, as they may end up as full page and then the quality of the camera will show .

Just my amateur thoughts

I agree to a point. The right fast compact camera can actually be better for a novice. Because the detail level is so much lower, it can save time in trying to smooth out the photos in software.

However, the problem with most cheap compact cameras is they're slow, have trouble focusing in less than perfect light, and don't have a hot shoe. Most tend to over blow in macro and ALL of them are underpowered for telephoto or moderate distance shots. Also, the flash recycle times are a joke on most, which makes them very frustrating to use indoors. The realistic minimum is something like a Canon G series, but it costs 2 thirds of an entry-level dSLR so why bother?

I think JT will pick up using an SLR in no time at all. Besides, it's no big deal to record your own batch enhancements in photoshop and process a full set in 2mins or so.

Just an honest opinion from an unqualified amateur :)

[Nakedrockstar]

Sorry to all the people out there who read this post back in 2005 but I had to resurect it just too post how fucking great it was to read it!! It basically sums up what myself and my partner are going through trying to get our sites off the ground.. I myself have never studied as a photographer but I am a keen hobbiest who has read up on lighting etc and feel I have a good knowledge of it as an art form, my partner was a model (non industry) for a few years so we are not complete novices, but one of the reasons that we are passionate about the site we are building is that we have a keen interest in the subject matter and understand the nature of the fetish/fetishes. So many sites are as was mentioned before are perfectly shot and put together but so way off the mark as far as those goose/trouser bumps.
If I could find a content provider who I feel is capturing what I want to see I would happily use them because like Paul said its a ball ache doing it yourself, But Some of the best hardons I have ever had have come from free website that have been shot on a mobile phone but are just fantastic in content.

Sorry to ramble and reopen the worm can xxxx

[Johnny Kleenexxx]

ouch bump . . blast from the past

wasn't me mister

did you end up shooting some stuff then Johny or wot ?

[Geezer]

ouch bump . . blast from the past

wasn't me mister

did you end up shooting some stuff then Johny or wot ?

He did but it was only good cos I coached him, the fucking rent boy lookalike.

[Paul Markham]

Would be interesting to see what came of this. Every month we get a couple of posts from people wanting to be shooters. There is one on another board today and I remember posting a link to me "Learn to Shoot porn" forum yesterday.

So how easy, profitable, successful was it? Was it better to shoot yourself than buy in? I do know buying in content is a nightmare, but then I'm looking for something specific.

Post some samples and tell us about the experience.

[gawdi]

He did but it was only good cos I coached him, the fucking rent boy lookalike.

What do u mean rent boy lookalike??? I thought thats how he earned the majority of his money...:gaylords:

[Cardinal_Sin]

Fuck - Read the Joe A post - Time goes on.

[JT]

ouch bump . . blast from the past

wasn't me mister

did you end up shooting some stuff then Johny or wot ?

yes a little. With help from the fat cunt geezer and the old git gawdi. Both know their stuff.

I still buy 90% of what I have because its easier, faster, cheaper and often better. But when I cant get what I want I will from now on shoot it

Here is a review of one of the sites http://www.rabbitsreviews.com/s2513/Sabrinas-Stockings.html

and a few galleries

http://www.sabrinasstockings.com/promo/006/index6b.php?
http://www.sabrinasstockings.com/promo/009/index5.php?
http://www.sabrinasstockings.com/promo/006/index2b.php?
http://www.sabrinasstockings.com/promo/013/index12b.php?

[JT]

Fuck - Read the Joe A post - Time goes on.

yes was a shock seeing that

[JT]

Would be interesting to see what came of this. Every month we get a couple of posts from people wanting to be shooters. There is one on another board today and I remember posting a link to me "Learn to Shoot porn" forum yesterday.

So how easy, profitable, successful was it? Was it better to shoot yourself than buy in? I do know buying in content is a nightmare, but then I'm looking for something specific.

Post some samples and tell us about the experience.

I will always buy more than I make. I buy alot of content. But its hard to get stuff when you want something specific. Ideally I would have more people shooting for me, but finding good photographers and models isn't easy

Has it been profitable? Yes very. But then it is when I buy it. That particular site sells very well and retains very well, with stocking fetish traffic. But its quite a narrow target market as there is no nudity in it.

Buying content is still easier and sometimes you can get some gems that make you alot of money. But it can often meen tralling through lots of rubish also.

[Paul Markham]

Hit me up on ICQ and I will give you some pointers.

[JT]

Also something else I think that helps, is buying the photography magazines and doing the various projects in them.

[JT]

Hit me up on ICQ and I will give you some pointers.

will do :)

[Paul Markham]

I will always buy more than I make. I buy alot of content. But its hard to get stuff when you want something specific. Ideally I would have more people shooting for me, but finding good photographers and models isn't easy

Has it been profitable? Yes very. But then it is when I buy it. That particular site sells very well and retains very well, with stocking fetish traffic. But its quite a narrow target market as there is no nudity in it.

Buying content is still easier and sometimes you can get some gems that make you alot of money. But it can often meen tralling through lots of rubish also.
Tough to buy content like that. We can shoot it but don't as it's usually not profitable. The stuff I saw was more than a simple leg fetish site.

I agree with you about buying in, most of it is very poor. Best stuff is custom and the good shooters are pricey, supply and demand. LOL

Sites like that will always do well if you get the content right.

I know someone who could shoot it if you want a shooter.

[Cardinal_Sin]

Here is a review of one of the sites http://www.rabbitsreviews.com/s2513/Sabrinas-Stockings.html

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hahahahahaha - I beat you I beat you I beat you!!!

http://www.rabbitsreviews.com/s3342/Kirsty-Blue.html

[Johnny Kleenexxx]

yes a little. With help from the fat cunt geezer and the old git gawdi. Both know their stuff.

I still buy 90% of what I have because its easier, faster, cheaper and often better. But when I cant get what I want I will from now on shoot it

Here is a review of one of the sites http://www.rabbitsreviews.com/s2513/Sabrinas-Stockings.html

and a few galleries

http://www.sabrinasstockings.com/promo/006/index6b.php?
http://www.sabrinasstockings.com/promo/009/index5.php?
http://www.sabrinasstockings.com/promo/006/index2b.php?
http://www.sabrinasstockings.com/promo/013/index12b.php?

very nice indeed . . the flash version is mint mate

[JT]

hahahahahaha - I beat you I beat you I beat you!!!

http://www.rabbitsreviews.com/s3342/Kirsty-Blue.html

Im not supprised, yours is the better site (at the moment) ;)

Work has had to take a back seat for the moment, but give it 6 months and i'll come out fighting :gaylords:

[JT]

very nice indeed . . the flash version is mint mate

Thank you kind sir

[Cardinal_Sin]

Im not supprised, yours is the better site (at the moment) ;)

Work has had to take a back seat for the moment, but give it 6 months and i'll come out fighting :gaylords:



I've just laid a bet with ladbrooks your site will win!

[tdf]

What about lighting people

Get some Bowens of Ellis dont go for a cheapo option.