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daveydude
09-19-05, 09:58 AM
Check this out:
http://www.escortlounge.co.uk/
Obviously fake. Wonder if those models know that this site is claiming they are escorts? I'm sure there's grounds for a few court actions there...
????
So because it's fake why would there be "court actions"?
So someone has used their content to make a "fake" esort site, are they not allowed to do that then?
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daveydude
09-19-05, 10:32 AM
Heh, well if I was one of those girls I'd be thinking about suing someone for libel & defamation. I'd have said it was illegal to use a model's photos & claim that they'll fuck anyone for £50 when it isn't true.
dvtimes
09-19-05, 10:43 AM
How do you know its fake?
Although I wouldn't do something like that site, my model releases allow me to use whatever copy I wish to accompany the pics and video I take. Surely it's up to the models to dispute that fact with me before they sign.
Heh, well if I was one of those girls I'd be thinking about suing someone for libel & defamation. I'd have said it was illegal to use a model's photos & claim that they'll fuck anyone for £50 when it isn't true.
Oh right, so all my content is useless if I can't say what I like.
I might say "This Blonde Slut Loves to Fuck Two Black Cocks at Once" are you saying that's not allowed?
So when we buy content we need to get a list of what we can or cannot say about the model?, fuck me that would be a nightmare.
dvtimes
09-19-05, 10:59 AM
Although I wouldn't do something like that site, my model releases allow me to use whatever copy I wish to accompany the pics and video I take. Surely it's up to the models to dispute that fact with me before they sign.
I think Dave has a point. Although the models have signed a model release, I am not sure that if you then say they are escorts, if that is allowed.
Its a bit like if someone took a pic of me (and I signed a model release) and then put me on a site and said I was a male escort or even worse rapist, I do not think they could.
I'd have said it was illegal to use a model's photos & claim that they'll fuck anyone for £50 when it isn't true.
How do you know they wouldn't fuck anyone for £50?
I think Dave has a point. Although the models have signed a model release, I am not sure that if you then say they are escorts, if that is allowed.
Its a bit like if someone took a pic of me (and I signed a model release) and then put me on a site and said I was a male escort or even worse rapist, I do not think they could.
So what if you have a pic of a model and say "this lesbian, blah blah" or "she loves anal" and that's not true either.
I mean we could go on forever, "this virgin" and she's not, "this student" and she's not, "this..." no, I won't go on :)
dvtimes
09-19-05, 11:03 AM
Oh right, so all my content is useless if I can't say what I like.
I might say "This Blonde Slut Loves to Fuck Two Black Cocks at Once" are you saying that's not allowed?
So when we buy content we need to get a list of what we can or cannot say about the model?, fuck me that would be a nightmare.
I think there is a difference between saying that and saying something that is defamation of character.
What if I got a set of pics of a well known model, but then put text next to the pics that she had killed 5 children, then her boyfriend and robed a bank. I cannot see that is legal.
daveydude
09-19-05, 11:05 AM
Wow, such hostility.
Don't you think there's a difference between writing some blurb about a model on the one hand, and claiming she's a prostitute on the other?
I am guessing that site is fake purely on the assumption that the scores of gorgeous 18-20 yr olds pictured on it would not in actual fact be interested in having sex with sweaty old men for £50. I could be wrong, but I doubt it somehow.
dvtimes
09-19-05, 11:06 AM
So what if you have a pic of a model and say "this lesbian, blah blah" or "she loves anal" and that's not true either.
I mean we could go on forever, "this virgin" and she's not, "this student" and she's not, "this..." no, I won't go on :)To be honest, the model release gives you right to publish the shots. I do not think it gives you the right to say what you want about the model. Thinking about it, I guess if you did say the model was a lesbian and she was not, she would have a case against you.
dvtimes
09-19-05, 11:07 AM
Wow, such hostility.
Don't you think there's a difference between writing some blurb about a model on the one hand, and claiming she's a prostitute on the other?
I am guessing that site is fake purely on the assumption that the scores of gorgeous 18-20 yr olds on that site would not in actual fact be interested in having sex with sweaty old men for £50. I could be wrong, but I doubt it somehow.There is a site where its full of well known models who are esscorts.
daveydude
09-19-05, 11:09 AM
There is a site where its full of well known models who are esscorts.
Sure, I've seen sites like that and I know of several hardcore models who do escorting as well. But have you ever seen any of those girls on that site before?
I think there is a difference between saying that and saying something that is defamation of character.
What if I got a set of pics of a well known model, but then put text next to the pics that she had killed 5 children, then her boyfriend and robed a bank. I cannot see that is legal.
Some might feel that being called a lesbian or saying they take it up the arse is defamtion of character.
What the fuck has her killing 5 kids got to do with it?, we are talking about porn. If a model knows her pic is going to be sold to the world and his wife then they must accept that they are going to be called a slut and a whore or anything else that could be associated with porn.
Not killing kids though, that has fuck all to do with porn.
Now obviously if you were to use a pic of a model and say "she loves to have sex with underage boys" or worse then that is a TOTALLY different matter.
dvtimes
09-19-05, 11:14 AM
Sure, I've seen sites like that and I know of several hardcore models who do escorting as well. But have you ever seen any of those girls on that site before?Dave you seem to know alot about escort girls. Anyway, since I do not seek escorts, I have no idea about them.
Get yourself an adult mag, its cheaper than an escort.
daveydude
09-19-05, 11:18 AM
Dave you seem to know alot about escort girls. Anyway, since I do not seek escorts, I have no idea about them.
Get yourself an adult mag, its cheaper than an escort.
What else do you think I spend my millions on ;)
ooh, this is an interesting one, I can see both sides of the argument here. The model who is being called an escort when she isnt Im sure could see there is an issue. But also like Geezer says, if you shoot or buy content and say. This dirty slut likes two black cocks up her arse, when she doesnt seems ok.
I definatly see a girl who is a model being called an escourt is maybe a different matter
dvtimes
09-19-05, 11:18 AM
Some might feel that being called a lesbian or saying they take it up the arse is defamtion of character.
What the fuck has her killing 5 kids got to do with it?, we are talking about porn. If a model knows her pic is going to be sold to the world and his wife then they must accept that they are going to be called a slut and a whore or anything else that could be associated with porn.
Not killing kids though, that has fuck all to do with porn.
Now obviously if you were to use a pic of a model and say "she loves to have sex with underage boys" or worse then that is a TOTALLY different matter.What I am saying is that I do not think you have any rights to say what you want about a model. My example was the extream. But what does it matter if you say somthing in regards to porn (such as she is a lesbian) or somthing extream (such as she is a mass killer).
I mean, what if I photographed the priminister, and asked him to sigh a model release. Then I put the pics on a site and said that he was gay and loved to suck cock. Do you think I would be alowed?
I mean, what if I photographed the priminister, and asked him to sigh a model release. Then I put the pics on a site and said that he was gay and loved to suck cock. Do you think I would be alowed?
Yes if he signed a model release
To be honest, the model release gives you right to publish the shots. I do not think it gives you the right to say what you want about the model. Thinking about it, I guess if you did say the model was a lesbian and she was not, she would have a case against you.
Don't you have anything relating to copy in your MR's?
If not you would have to tell the absolute truth about a model. No?
I imagine its only defimation of character if you use the models real name. Otherwise its just a pic of a model you have paid for.
So saying
"sexy slut sindy is an escort" = OK
But Saying
"Sindy smith is an escort" = not ok
What I am saying is that I do not think you have any rights to say what you want about a model. My example was the extream. But what does it matter if you say somthing in regards to porn (such as she is a lesbian) or somthing extream (such as she is a mass killer).
I mean, what if I photographed the priminister, and asked him to sigh a model release. Then I put the pics on a site and said that he was gay and loved to suck cock. Do you think I would be alowed?
care to post a copy of your model release here for us?
dvtimes
09-19-05, 11:25 AM
Don't you have anything relating to copy in your MR's?
If not you would have to tell the absolute truth about a model. No?
I guess I never have said anything about them. A ask them what model name they want me to use (some do not want me to use the real name).
I guess its just not my think to say stuff about them. In fact some asked me to change text, so I did.
dvtimes
09-19-05, 11:27 AM
I imagine its only defimation of character if you use the models real name. Otherwise its just a pic of a model you have paid for.
So saying
"sexy slut sindy is an escort" = OK
But Saying
"Sindy smith is an escort" = not okI just could not think I could do it. It seems poor taste.
What I am saying is that I do not think you have any rights to say what you want about a model. My example was the extream. But what does it matter if you say somthing in regards to porn (such as she is a lesbian) or somthing extream (such as she is a mass killer).
I mean, what if I photographed the priminister, and asked him to sigh a model release. Then I put the pics on a site and said that he was gay and loved to suck cock. Do you think I would be alowed?
I couldn't see a "stay on topic" smillie, now we are talking about the priminister????
If a girl works for a content provider then they know that they will have things said about them that are not true.
Like I said if it is a case that we can only say what the girls like then imagine the nightmare trying to get it all on a release and then everyone who buys a set would have to get a list of what can and cannot be said.
One girl doesn't mind being called a whore, but she doesn't want to be called a crack whore or she doesn't mind being called a slut, but not a dirty slut although she doesn't mind sexy slut. Another girl doesn't mind crack whore but she doesn't like filthy whore.
dvtimes
09-19-05, 11:30 AM
Well this is a list of escort sites (http://babes-escorts.co.uk/cgi-bin/Escorts/in.cgi?id=3gadult).
daveydude
09-19-05, 11:30 AM
I'd have thought it was out of order to write harsh stuff about a model that wasn't true. I'd expect phone calls from pissed-off models if I did.
My model release doesn't have anything in it about copy though - never thought about it until now, but then I don't make blatantly untrue stuff up so it's never occurred to me. What would I gain from saying a model loves anal, someone joins the site & finds she doesn't do anal? Chargeback city.
I imagine its only defimation of character if you use the models real name. Otherwise its just a pic of a model you have paid for.
So saying
"sexy slut sindy is an escort" = OK
But Saying
"Sindy smith is an escort" = not ok
Yeah, I have a lot of content and the only stipulation is you must NEVER use their real names.
daveydude
09-19-05, 11:31 AM
Well this is a list of escort sites (http://babes-escorts.co.uk/cgi-bin/Escorts/in.cgi?id=3gadult).
Nice one, fancy going halves on a couple of hotties? :p
I guess I never have said anything about them. A ask them what model name they want me to use (some do not want me to use the real name).
I guess its just not my think to say stuff about them. In fact some asked me to change text, so I did.
Here's a short extract from mine pertaining to this:
"...on signing this release I waive any right that I may have to inspect and approve the finished product or any written copy that may be used alongside it"
If you ever wish to sell or trade any of your content you may well need think about adding something like that.
dvtimes
09-19-05, 11:36 AM
Nice one, fancy going halves on a couple of hotties? :p
Filthy swine. :)
What would I gain from saying a model loves anal, someone joins the site & finds she doesn't do anal? Chargeback city.
You are thinking from solo girl paysite perspective.
What if I promote an Anal site and I have some shit hot content of a gorgreous girl bent over showing her arse. I think this would work well with my anal site so I use the content for galleries and freesites. When they go to the site there is Anal so they join.
Oh and obviously I would be making reference to the fact she loves a cock in her chocolate starfish. Now whether that model actually does or not is up to her, but unless she is really neive then surely she would expect some anal remarks seeing as she is bent over.
Here's a short extract from mine pertaining to this:
"...on signing this release I waive any right that I may have to inspect and approve the finished product or any written copy that may be used alongside it"
If you ever wish to sell or trade any of your content you may well need think about adding something like that.
There you go, job done :thumbsup:
What we do is all about selling a fantasy, not telling the truth.
daveydude
09-19-05, 11:42 AM
You are thinking from solo girl paysite perspective.
What if I promote an Anal site and I have some shit hot content of a gorgreous girl bent over showing her arse. I think this would work well with my anal site so I use the content for galleries and freesites. When they go to the site there is Anal so they join.
Oh and obviously I would be making reference to the fact she loves a cock in her chocolate starfish. Now whether that model actually does or not is up to her, but unless she is really neive then surely she would expect some anal remarks seeing as she is bent over.
Yeah point taken. All the content we have is girls we have shot personally, we don't buy anything in. You are right that a girl wouldn't have much grounds for complaint if she's selling content to a broker, especially with a copy clause in the model release.
I think my original point is still valid though, it's not cool to say someone is a hooker when they're not.
dvtimes
09-19-05, 11:42 AM
Here's a short extract from mine pertaining to this:
"...on signing this release I waive any right that I may have to inspect and approve the finished product or any written copy that may be used alongside it"
If you ever wish to sell or trade any of your content you may well need think about adding something like that.
I think if it went to court, it would not hold up.
When I did law at university, we were told that a contract is only worth something if its reasonable. So if you said the girl was a lesbian who enjoyed 20 coks at once and would shag for £5, then the judge could void the contract.
daveydude
09-19-05, 11:43 AM
Filthy swine. :)
Heh, I'm just messing. This business has actually made me lose all interest in sex :p
daveydude
09-19-05, 11:44 AM
I think if it went to court, it would not hold up.
When I did law at university, we were told that a contract is only worth something if its reasonable. So if you said the girl was a lesbian who enjoyed 20 coks at once and would shag for £5, then the judge could void the contract.
Yeah, nobody would believe a lesbian would want 20 cocks, but what if you say she isn't a lesbian? lol
dvtimes
09-19-05, 11:47 AM
I think at the end of the day its down to you what you do.
I think Dave and myself would not want to add text that was not true about the model. If others think differently its up to them.
For me, as I shoot the models, I know many of them, and are friends with them. So I would not say anything nasty about them.
I guess if you do not know the girls, and are not bothered about problems it could course them, and only interested in making cash, then its a different matter.
I do not think I have anything else to say on the matter.
I think if it went to court, it would not hold up.
When I did law at university, we were told that a contract is only worth something if its reasonable. So if you said the girl was a lesbian who enjoyed 20 coks at once and would shag for £5, then the judge could void the contract.
I disagree, I think it would hold up, if not, what would be the point in the MR at all?
What wouldn't hold up is for you not to have any copy waiver, offer out some of your content to other webmasters to promote your site not knowing what they may say about the model.
dvtimes
09-19-05, 11:50 AM
Heh, I'm just messing. This business has actually made me lose all interest in sex :p
That's an interesting point.
I have got too used to sexy girls naked in front of me. Some get annoyed that I am not showing any interest in them.
It reminds me of 'A Clockwork Orage' where he gets subjected to so much porn, he hates it.
I think at the end of the day its down to you what you do.
I think Dave and myself would not want to add text that was not true about the model. If others think differently its up to them.
For me, as I shoot the models, I know many of them, and are friends with them. So I would not say anything nasty about them.
I guess if you do not know the girls, and are not bothered about problems it could course them, and only interested in making cash, then its a different matter.
I do not think I have anything else to say on the matter.
Point taken, you would not do it.
But what about the webmasters using your content?
You need that waiver in for that purpose surely.
dvtimes
09-19-05, 11:58 AM
I disagree, I think it would hold up, if not, what would be the point in the MR at all?
What wouldn't hold up is for you not to have any copy waiver, offer out some of your content to other webmasters to promote your site not knowing what they may say about the model.
In the UK a model release is not worth the paper its written on. Its a courtesy rather than legal document.
In truth you could publish shots regardless is a model signed a form or not. OK, she could take you to court, but it would be too expensive, and you simply say its another model.
Its the USA where a model release is taken as a real contract. In many places you also need a model release for where you take the shots, so if my car was in the shot, you would need a model release from me to allow shots of my car to be used.
But even with contracts they can be overturned if considered unreasonable. An example is a plumber who's staff signed a contract that said if they left the firm they could not work as a plumber within a hundred mile radius. This was considered unreasonable and the judge made the contract void.
I haven't read all the replies in this thread and so...
A model does a shoot for a site. She does what ever she does and the wm adds that she loves fucking and sucking 3 guys at once etc... That's ok. It is libel to say that a model is an escort if she isn't. Take my word for it. I had a solicitor complain that I was casting aspersion on a models character by saying this. When I sent him links to the models escort pages, he shut up.
That site is part of SexKey and I have to say it's one of their better sites, having only looked at their Indian sites in the past :)
So what about all those phone sex sites using pics of girls? What's the difference?
And I still don't see the big deal.. if you work in the sex industry you work in the sex industry.. whether you get paid to fuck on cam or paid to fuck off cam has absolutely NO difference in my book. Any girl arguing the fact is in the wrong biz for the wrong reasons.
Oh right, so all my content is useless if I can't say what I like.
I might say "This Blonde Slut Loves to Fuck Two Black Cocks at Once" are you saying that's not allowed?
So when we buy content we need to get a list of what we can or cannot say about the model?, fuck me that would be a nightmare.
i had an upcoming model refuse to do a fan sign containing the word 'bitch' cos she doesn't see herself as bitch and couldn't it say 'babe' instead. i declined that generous offer, cos babe doesn't go with the sites she would have been promoted on. obviously i also decided not to promote her at all, god knows what shit she starts if she doesn't like the sales text being used.
I think there is a difference between saying that and saying something that is defamation of character.
i find it disturbing and also very offensive you would class being portrayed as escort as defamation of character.
I'd have thought it was out of order to write harsh stuff about a model that wasn't true. I'd expect phone calls from pissed-off models if I did.
My model release doesn't have anything in it about copy though - never thought about it until now, but then I don't make blatantly untrue stuff up so it's never occurred to me. What would I gain from saying a model loves anal, someone joins the site & finds she doesn't do anal? Chargeback city.
you mean you don't have a part saying something like
I agree to all these photos being used as illustrations of newspaper articles, reports, short stories, poems, sexual stories, books, and advertising copies as well as in all other cases where picture illustrations are required.
in your MR?
A lot of those phone sex line ad's have had to be changed over the years. A few models do a shoot specifically for them. Those who haven't, particulary those who only do Page 3 style have taken legal action and won !!!
Beloeve it or not there is a big difference to doing b/g and escort work !!! I know tghe odd one or two adult models who shudder at the thought of escorting as well as those who I know do it very openly and without a care.
Living where I do in central London, I'm lucky to mix with quite a few adult models socially and so get to hear and know more than most others, so take my word for what I say as being correct... It is libel to say a model is an escort when she isn't !!!
Blast the pics I wanted to add are to big :(
dvtimes
09-19-05, 03:55 PM
A lot of those phone sex line ad's have had to be changed over the years. A few models do a shoot specifically for them. Those who haven't, particulary those who only do Page 3 style have taken legal action and won !!!
Beloeve it or not there is a big difference to doing b/g and escort work !!! I know tghe odd one or two adult models who shudder at the thought of escorting as well as those who I know do it very openly and without a care.
Living where I do in central London, I'm lucky to mix with quite a few adult models socially and so get to hear and know more than most others, so take my word for what I say as being correct... It is libel to say a model is an escort when she isn't !!!
Blast the pics I wanted to add are to big :(I would think that it is libel. In fact I ts not that long ago that a certain model set up a site saying she had models x y z doing escort work with her. Non of the models did, and they were a bit anoyed.
Personaly, if I found a model that I knew being on an escort site when she was not, I would not be happy. Not only would it make her problems, but it would sugest that I book escorts as models.
But at the end of the day, I may be a slime ball, but no way would I post saying a model is somthing she is not.
But at the end of the day, I may be a slime ball, but no way would I post saying a model is somthing she is not.
it's not posting, it's writing an add text.
on a side note, all the models on your poker site ads are dedicated poker players?
dvtimes
09-19-05, 04:10 PM
it's not posting, it's writing an add text.
on a side note, all the models on your poker site ads are dedicated poker players?
They are what they are.
When I took the shots I told them what site it was for and what the site was about.
Those models know as much about poker as me. Nothing.
But I do not say on the site they play poker.
I have done a g/g shoot where I descibed the girls as lesbians. But I asked them at the shoot if this was ok. And they said it was cool.
They are what they are.
When I took the shots I told them what site it was for and what the site was about.
Those models know as much about poker as me. Nothing.
But I do not say on the site they play poker.
maybe you should check your own sites (http://www.ezpantyhosefetish.com/666/index.htm) before you post statements that aren't true. case closed, cheers.
cock-a-leekie
09-19-05, 04:50 PM
So what about all those phone sex sites using pics of girls? What's the difference?
And I still don't see the big deal.. if you work in the sex industry you work in the sex industry.. whether you get paid to fuck on cam or paid to fuck off cam has absolutely NO difference in my book. Any girl arguing the fact is in the wrong biz for the wrong reasons.
I agree, but since the model doesn't know what the producer may or may not do with her pics, how can she complain afterwards? More fool her I say!
Still, that doesn't mean the webmaster is off the hook if he's running a dishonest business does it?
cock-a-leekie
09-19-05, 04:51 PM
I didn't want to get into this one because it's the kind of argument that really boils down to whether you're an honest Webmaster or not, and let's face it, the adult entertainment industry is far from an honest one.
My take on this is that it's not even a question of model release. It's more an issue of false advertising, and that is the responsibility of the wm. Whether a model is happy or not about how much you "flower" up the text or fantasy isn't really the point, the point is that if you're running a business and taking payment for offering your online service, you need to be sure you're not blatantly lying about the fundamentals. To say a girl loves to take it up the arse is open to question, to say she's a hooker isn't. Either she is a hooker or she isn't, but if you're taking money from people on the proviso that she "might" fuck them for £50, you could run into false advertising.
I don't see the point in doing it myself, I'm not that desperate to make some chump-change that I'd run phoney begging sites.
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dvtimes
09-19-05, 05:11 PM
maybe you should check your own sites (http://www.ezpantyhosefetish.com/666/index.htm) before you post statements that aren't true. case closed, cheers.Yes play poker with Lana Cox.
If you watch the film it tells you how to play poker, so thats why I call it 'play poker with lana cox'.
daveydude
09-19-05, 05:19 PM
you mean you don't have a part saying something like
I agree to all these photos being used as illustrations of newspaper articles, reports, short stories, poems, sexual stories, books, and advertising copies as well as in all other cases where picture illustrations are required.
in your MR?
We have a clause in our MR that says we can do whatever we damn well please with the pics, but since we're not content brokers, we have complete control over how they are used. Apart from when someone steals them, then we sue.
Yes play poker with Lana Cox.
If you watch the film it tells you how to play poker, so thats why I call it 'play poker with lana cox'.
dude, it doesn't matter why you have that on your page, you stated you didn't use a claim like that yet you do. that's all it's about. ;)
seeing there are now proper accusations like dishonesty being hurled out, have actually seen any evidence the site is fake yet?
daveydude
09-19-05, 05:27 PM
dude, it doesn't matter why you have that on your page, you stated you didn't use a claim like that yet you do. that's all it's about. ;)
That looks fairly clearly like a film called "Play Poker With Lana Cox" to me. But then I run sites called "inbedwith..." where you can't *really* get in bed with the models so I'll shut up ;)
dvtimes
09-19-05, 05:28 PM
dude, it doesn't matter why you have that on your page, you stated you didn't use a claim like that yet you do. that's all it's about. ;)OK.
I shall lay on the M1 as I have been bad.
That looks fairly clearly like a film called "Play Poker With Lana Cox" to me. But then I run sites called "inbedwith..." where you can't *really* get in bed with the models so I'll shut up ;)
if one was bitchy one could say some sites claim their model doesn't shoot with/for anyone else although the very same model took trips (to say just for fun Paris) and did shoots elsewhere. :D
OK.
I shall lay on the M1 as I have been bad.
new career as sleeping policeman?
daveydude
09-19-05, 05:33 PM
seeing there are now proper accusations like dishonesty being hurled out, have actually seen any evidence the site is fake yet?
lol nope, it's all speculation. I have a SexKey pass & looked inside the site, all you get is some shit galleries and this information:
Welcome to the FREE UK ESCORTS .COM Members area
To get acces to any of the girls telephone numbers please send an email
along with the girls name, and your telephone number
to contactrequest@freeukescorts.com and the
girl will call you back direct and make a booking with you.
Please note - You will get your free videos of the girl of your choice in action
when you visit that girl. The video is a real (in other words a tape or DVD) copy not a download.
I'm not sending them my phone number. Anyone got the balls to try?
daveydude
09-19-05, 05:36 PM
if one was bitchy one could say some sites claim their model doesn't shoot with/for anyone else although the very same model took trips (to say just for fun Paris) and did shoots elsewhere. :D
Good point. There was that one time we were tempted to let someone else shoot her. She won't be shooting for anyone else again.
Good point. There was that one time we were tempted to let someone else shoot her. She won't be shooting for anyone else again.
i was looking forward to some results though, shame.
Free UK Escorts is well known as a fake/scam site on the escorting scene. It has been posted about on Punternet and many of the other punting forums. None of the girls listed are actual escorts and so punters are disappointed when they part with their money to get details only to find they have to send an e-mail. When they do send an e-mail they receive spam. Nice set up!
As for Model Releases, they should have a clause in them holding the photographer and his representatives or assigns (i.e. webmasters) harmless no mater what he does with them, unless it can be shown that the publication was malicious and done for the purpose of subjecting the model to ridicule, scorn, indignity, etc. This is where people who say the model is an escort when she is not could get into trouble, if the model really wanted to push it. For all my shoots I make sure the escorts know the material will be appearing on my site and they are fully aware of this when they agree the fee.
if it's a well known scam site (and using pics without the rights to?), why isn't anything done by those that are offended or see their business violated?
dvtimes
09-19-05, 07:10 PM
if it's a well known scam site (and using pics without the rights to?), why isn't anything done by those that are offended or see their business violated?
Probably as it costs a lot of cash to take legal action.
Probably as it costs a lot of cash to take legal action.
Wouldnt cost anything to fire off letters threatening legal action - I'm sure if I was that webmaster & received such threats I'd remove the pics in question at the least.
Couldn't you do it for them? Put the "law" you studied at university to good use like.
The escorts who have discussed this site, have never seen a known escort on the outside of the site, so they have not been able to complain, otherwise they would have. He always uses models as UK Vixen has shown. Now the models could complain, if they knew they were there, but I doubt they do. Also, he periodically changes the photos on the outside. So if UK Vixens contacted that model and told her, the guy would probably just remove her and replace the photo with another one, maybe from the US. That's why it's hard to do anything about it.
Shandy McAndy
09-19-05, 07:32 PM
Couldn't you do it for them? Put the "law" you studied at university to good use like.
It was marketing degree wasnt it, not law?
you know, with threads like this, i always wonder if the site owners read the thread and have a good laugh at others' expense.
dvtimes
09-19-05, 07:58 PM
Wouldnt cost anything to fire off letters threatening legal action - I'm sure if I was that webmaster & received such threats I'd remove the pics in question at the least.
Couldn't you do it for them? Put the "law" you studied at university to good use like.Its nothing to do with me. Its down to the models to sort out.
After all, they may or may not want to be on the site for all I know.
Anyway, time for 'the street'.
If I saw one of my photos there they'd get more than legal action..... which is probably why they haven't put one of my images there !!
Look out, handbags at dawn :gay:
Vixen
Geezer acts like a troll because he knows no better... You'll find most of his posts here are like that.
Vixen
Geezer acts like a troll because he knows no better... You'll find most of his posts here are like that.
Could you please show me all these posts that "are like that" I have made over 700 posts so if "most" "are like that" then it would be at least 400, no?
What do you mean "acts like a troll"?, oh do you mean points out that threats are to be taken with a pinch of salt? OK, I get it now
Are those beer cans supposed to represent two giant dicks growing out of your face ?
Hmmm, first thing you think of when looking at me half naked in a pool is "two giant dicks" I think that says more about you than me :gay:
Duurrhhh only one thing worse than a troll and that's a dumb troll !!
Your point being?
A lot of those phone sex line ad's have had to be changed over the years. A few models do a shoot specifically for them. Those who haven't, particulary those who only do Page 3 style have taken legal action and won !!!
Beloeve it or not there is a big difference to doing b/g and escort work !!! I know tghe odd one or two adult models who shudder at the thought of escorting as well as those who I know do it very openly and without a care.
Living where I do in central London, I'm lucky to mix with quite a few adult models socially and so get to hear and know more than most others, so take my word for what I say as being correct... It is libel to say a model is an escort when she isn't !!!
Blast the pics I wanted to add are to big :(
As I said there is NO difference in what they're doing - if the model sees a difference then they're in the job for the wrong reasons. There's nothing wrong with either - if a model thinks they're "better" than an escort cos they only fuck on cam then they're a fucking hypocrate, and have no respect for the industry they work in.
I don't give a fuck about the "legalities" at the end of the day.. it's the realities I'm speaking about. If a model considers a pic of her being on an escort site to be libelous then I for one would not want to work with her. If she see's what she does as "above" escorting, then the same. Same job different pile. It's no difference to someone delivering pizzas as a job and someone who just hands them over the counter/serves them to a table in a pizza restaurant. Both are giving people pizzas for money.
My point being........ E=mc2 and doesn't Frankie look good
Can you please show any proof you have of E=mc²
I ain't got a clue who Frankie is, the girl in that pic? or does she go to Hollywood?
So she is an Escort?
dvtimes
09-19-05, 11:06 PM
Can you please show any proof you have of E=mc²
I ain't got a clue who Frankie is, the girl in that pic? or does she go to Hollywood?
So she is an Escort?
A pic before the boob job.
http://img22.imagevenue.com/loc220/th_ffa_029.jpg (http://img22.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc220&image=ffa_029.jpg)http://img22.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-10444/loc220/ffa_029.jpg
I think the real difference this thread throws up is that between those webmasters that shoot for and run their own sites and affiliates !
expand on that one please?
Yes, if you multiply the speed of light by itself (that's squaring it Geezer)
and then multiply that by my mass you will get my energy.
You however must have far more energy than me as your mass is considerably greater
I asked for proof, you could not provide it, that's ok.
I think the real difference this thread throws up is that between those webmasters that shoot for and run their own sites and affiliates !
Are affiliates somehow not as good then?, it sounds like you have no respect for affililiates. Maybe it's because being an affiliate you don't like the competition.
No I do not, have not and never will have an affiliate system
I never thought you did, I meant you ARE an affiliate :lmao2:
You don't understand why people take on affiliates?, nuff said :lmao2:
dvtimes
09-19-05, 11:27 PM
SHIT photography plus there was the little matter of you videoing her without her knowing getting changed. Never mind she's with Rachel Travers at the Bakery in December and I'm in Barnsley shooting Frankie in October so your D DAY is coming ass hole Blake !!
Full Story.
I emailed her (but it turned out to be the studio owner) and agreed a price for both vid and photographs, inc model release.
I set the vid camera up in front of her.
I took shots and vid.
Afterwords I asked her to sign a model release form.
She looked at me and said she had not agreed to this. She spoke to the studio owner and he said that he agreed to that. I think I showed her the email of the agreement that I printed out.
So the problem was not with me but between her and the studio owner.
You can confirm this with the wakfield studio and I think VVG also knew about it.
I also had the vid camera recording so it picked up the full conversation.
This is why I know sppek to the model on the phone as I do not want to speak to a 3rd party to stop this happening again.
smart move would have been to talk before the shoot, incl. signing the MR ;)
dvtimes
09-19-05, 11:32 PM
SHIT photography plus there was the little matter of you videoing her without her knowing getting changed. Never mind she's with Rachel Travers at the Bakery in December and I'm in Barnsley shooting Frankie in October so your D DAY is coming ass hole Blake !!
Also the vid camera was on a stand direct in front of her. She spoke into it too.
It was not possible she did not know she was being filmed.
As I say, it was between her and the studio owner.
But I agreed a price in the email for both vid and photographs inc model release.
When I was sent the emails they were sent in her name. She must have given the studio owner permishion to handle her emails. In any case this was between her and the studio owner. And not with me.
dvtimes
09-19-05, 11:37 PM
BULLSHIT, you video all your shoots without the models knowledge IE. Rachel Travers, posted here recently, they have not agreed to video work yet you post it out !!
Odd as it was agreed to.
But I guess you have read there emails, and you was at the shoot with her and me. Odd when at the shoot two vid cameras were used.
In truth I am not interested what a 3rd party such as yourself has to say about this, as you have nothing to do with it. I had both cameras running non stop so you can clearly hear she agrees to the shoot as well as she signed a model release. But as I say, what has it to do with you?
This is my last post on the subject.
When you get off your fat arse, set up your own site, shoot your own material and promote your own material then I might take note of anything you have to say :asshole:
Oh so you know what I do and don't do? I think you should polish your crystal ball cos it's obviously not working correctly.
Odd as it was agreed to.
But I guess you have read there emails, and you was at the shoot with her and me. Odd when at the shoot two vid cameras were used.
In truth I am not interested what a 3rd party such as yourself has to say about this, as you have nothing to do with it. I had both cameras running non stop so you can clearly hear she agrees to the shoot as well as she signed a model release. But as I say, what has it to do with you?
This is my last post on the subject.
dude, cut out the bit showing her agree and post it, prove your point. you have the MR, yes? so posting it is fine. and you'd shoot down every argument about it. ;)
Nah I'm bored I'll polish my knob
If by "knob" you mean your penis then that would make you a wanker, finally we agree on something.
with this post i officially push this thread in the top 3 :D
HA HA HA LOL LOL good one Adam Blake, you made my business yours so your business is mine... FULL STOP
Oh no, the handbags are coming out again :gay:
No I do not, have not and never will have an affiliate system :asshole:
An affiliate no way is going to have the commitment to a site that the owner has, I can make my money from my own hard work without giving 50% away to the likes of DVT who will then plaster free stuff all over the net.
Never understood the affiliate principle, never will, a bit like getting some guy with a placard to promote Sainsburys AND Tescos at the same time !!!
Not having an aff program because you dont want to "give away 50%" is pretty bent imo.
I dont tout for affs because I cant be doing with the hassle of dealing with them anymore - however, handpicked affs can tap into traffic that wouldnt otherwise be available to you & come up with traffic sources you wouldnt dream of.
Oddly enough - there are still affiliates that dont just stick 200 hosted galleries on a page and submit it to forums/yahoo groups ... ;)
Troll part 3
Handbags part... well I lost count :gay:
daveydude
09-19-05, 11:51 PM
Affiliates make the difference between 5 sales a day and 50 sales a day (numbers plucked randomly from air). The extra sales are ones you wouldn't have had otherwise, so it's all extra revenue. You control what free content you distribute. I don't see the problem.
They also make the difference between 100% of your subs and 50% of your subs !!! Lets go brain storming, imagine you with your own site and good old George W has banned all affiliates, there are no more porn site affilites allowed.
How would you get the traffic and sign up's you do now ?
How many sign up's come DIRECTLY from your own work as opposed to affiliates ?
if affs account for 50% of your joins yer in trouble.
the only problem i had with affiliates was finding enough time to help them out - the extra revenue they generated never really presnted a problem iirc.
horses for courses tho isnt it - if you're uber niche and know the niche inside out - can do without affiliates to a degree. As it goes my next paysite will be a niche i'm versed in - will accept affs again (but with a new aff manager..lol) - and will aim to generate 70%+ of the total signups in house.
Yeah
Geezer are you a webmaster or just an affiliate and do you Troll part time or are you a full time Troll :)
Rebel...
There is a lot of difference between being an escort and being an adult model... Vixen has been in the industry long enough to agree with me and say you are a total twat and so wrong. Believe it or not not most of the adult models don't look down on escorting they just don't feel happy to do it.
Why don't you put a site up and show a few adult models as escorts, then you'll see how fast you end up with a legal problem..
ah, i was so hoping for the always winning 'i'm long enough in this to know it best' kinda argument. knew this thread wouldn't disappoint me. :dance:
HF..
I've known Vixen a long time and so I know about his knowledge of both the escort and model sides of the adult industry. I have been mixing socially with both for many years... The knowing best comes from that, and not from being a webmaster.. When you get to my age, almost 57, I hope you will have learned as much :) When I was going out with a porn model back in 1980 .. Were you out of nappies yet :)
Some times you have to realise that some have forgotten more about the biz than you have learned so far, from just mixing in certain circles in their lives.
see Joe, you just go by assumptions, you know fuck all about some or maybe most people here.
i should add, i also care fuck all what you think about me or anyone else. ;)
you do remind me of a guy of similar age and wisdom on Netpond though.
daveydude
09-20-05, 12:30 AM
They also make the difference between 100% of your subs and 50% of your subs !!! Lets go brain storming, imagine you with your own site and good old George W has banned all affiliates, there are no more porn site affilites allowed.
How would you get the traffic and sign up's you do now ?
How many sign up's come DIRECTLY from your own work as opposed to affiliates ?
Affiliate sales count for maybe 20-30% of our overall sales. Sorry I was exaggerating before. We have plenty of affiliates outside the US so GW can do what he likes really, and we produce non-nude promo content so the Americans can stay inside the current 2257 laws. Affiliate sales are an important part of our income, but we could survive without them. I think you might be assuming that affiliate sales count for the majority of sales - this is not the case.
daveydude
09-20-05, 12:33 AM
HF..
I've known Vixen a long time and so I know about his knowledge of both the escort and model sides of the adult industry. I have been mixing socially with both for many years... The knowing best comes from that, and not from being a webmaster.. When you get to my age, almost 57, I hope you will have learned as much :) When I was going out with a porn model back in 1980 .. Were you out of nappies yet :)
Some times you have to realise that some have forgotten more about the biz than you have learned so far, from just mixing in certain circles in their lives.
Joe, no disrespect at all to your longeivity in the business, I hope I can last as long, but how much did either of you guys know about the online industry in 1980?
HF..
What do you know about me.. Zilch.
Suffice to say that I've had a rich, enjoyable and rewarding life style for many years. I retired from a slightly wild life style when I got in to this biz, only because the hrs didn't mix. If I wasn't in this biz I'd still be running a fashion company by day and clubbing it most of the night either as a customer or dj'ing in them for fun.
HF..
What do you know about me.. Zilch.
yeah, same as you do about me and prolly most you have a bitch at here. glad you got the point dude. :lmao2:
Joe, no disrespect at all to your longeivity in the business, I hope I can last as long, but how much did either of you guys know about the online industry in 1980?
1980 was a good year.
It's when the VIC20 came onto the scene.
My first computer. :)
I could never do with those zx81's, spectrums, dragons and BBC shit stuff.
Damn those were the days.
beginners all symbolic instruction code.... hehe
good days. but good point davey. we had no internet then.
this thread is a great ruck, but whats 1980 got to do with it?
Hey Davey..
Was there an on line industry in 1980... LOL.. I remember first getting on the net at work in the late 80's and signing up with Compuserve. My ex managing director was a staunch anti Nazi, as he was a refugee from Poland just before war broke out and the first surfing I did was looking for pro Nazi BBS, so he could take action against them.
And are you doing the CCBill party .. It is going to be a good night out.
Craig...
You have just reminded me of those early days..
My best pal was the first person I knew to have a pc. It was a Sharp and used cassettes. We played Football Mananger on it. Then he got in to the Spectrum etc. I have vague memories of going on line via the BBC or similar..
And thank god the boys beat Everton tonight.. I was getting worried about them... LOL
1980 was a good year.
It's when the VIC20 came onto the scene.
My first computer. :)
I could never do with those zx81's, spectrums, dragons and BBC shit stuff.
Damn those were the days.
beginners all symbolic instruction code.... hehe
good days. but good point davey. we had no internet then.
this thread is a great ruck, but whats 1980 got to do with it?
now now, we had them nifty BBS boxes, hot 300 baud connections and all.
1980 was a good year.
was also the year John Lennon was shot :cry:
dvtimes
09-20-05, 12:58 AM
Hey Davey..
Was there an on line industry in 1980... LOL.. I remember first getting on the net at work in the late 80's and signing up with Compuserve. My ex managing director was a staunch anti Nazi, as he was a refugee from Poland just before war broke out and the first surfing I did was looking for pro Nazi BBS, so he could take action against them.
And are you doing the CCBill party .. It is going to be a good night out.
Craig...
You have just reminded me of those early days..
My best pal was the first person I knew to have a pc. It was a Sharp and used cassettes. We played Football Mananger on it. Then he got in to the Spectrum etc. I have vague memories of going on line via the BBC or similar..
And thank god the boys beat Everton tonight.. I was getting worried about them... LOL
I used Compuserve too. I was about 11. It looked like cfax and crashed all the time.
In many ways more fun than the internet is now.
I had lots of pen pals from it, I cannot belive I was sending out my homes address to strangers.
I used a bbc b for it.
daveydude
09-20-05, 01:00 AM
Hey Davey..
Was there an on line industry in 1980... LOL..
My point exactly lol.
Being involved in the adult industry since "What The Butler Saw" machines were cutting edge doesn't guarantee that you're a great webmaster ;)
was also the year John Lennon was shot :cry:
this is true
and don't forget Dorothy Stratten was murdered on August 14, 1980
she would have been worth a :atm:
daveydude
09-20-05, 01:07 AM
I used Compuserve too. I was about 11. It looked like cfax and crashed all the time.
In many ways more fun than the internet is now.
I had lots of pen pals from it, I cannot belive I was sending out my homes address to strangers.
I used a bbc b for it.
You fucker, I wanted a modem so bad when I was a kid but my parents wouldn't buy me one. I finally got online in 1997 I think, when the 1p per minute deals started coming out. Wish I'd got into this business back then though.
ok boys and girls
who played the first version of Leisure Suit Larry?
this is true
and don't forget Dorothy Stratten was murdered on August 14, 1980
she would have been worth a :atm:
got to admit i didnt know who you meant - but just googled her story (http://www.findadeath.com/Decesed/s/Dorothy%20Stratten/dorothy_stratten.htm) - i would've.
dvtimes
09-20-05, 01:16 AM
You fucker, I wanted a modem so bad when I was a kid but my parents wouldn't buy me one. I finally got online in 1997 I think, when the 1p per minute deals started coming out. Wish I'd got into this business back then though.
I still have it.
I loved to go onto bulitin boards. In truth it was a load of crap, but at 11 and watching the film war games I thought I was cool, and thought I could break into all the banks computers.
Yes I was (still am) sad.
cock-a-leekie
09-20-05, 01:17 AM
horses for courses tho isnt it - if you're uber niche and know the niche inside out - can do without affiliates to a degree. As it goes my next paysite will be a niche i'm versed in - will accept affs again (but with a new aff manager..lol) - and will aim to generate 70%+ of the total signups in house.
That's pretty much my view in a nutshell.
Conversely, if it's mainstream you're into, stick to hosted galleries, there aint nothin' worse than a bunch of affiliates downloading content to promote their own sites.
Affiliates suck, but sometimes you just have to swallow that bitter 50% pill (well for some sites anyway)
Now how did this thread get on to the subject of affiliates??? :eyebrows:
dvtimes
09-20-05, 01:19 AM
ok boys and girls
who played the first version of Leisure Suit Larry?
I played it. It was not very good to me.
I think we had a 386 pc, I thought that my BBC had better grafics and games.
I just loved Elite on the BBC. I played it for hours. They did a few pc versions but they were never as good.
dvtimes
09-20-05, 01:21 AM
I am not being rude, but I am off to bed now.
By the way, a rule in business, "if you think you know everything, then you probably know nothing".
Now how did this thread get on to the subject of affiliates??? :eyebrows:
I'm not sure - this time tomorrow this thread will be about the pedestrianisation of Norwich town centre ;)
I am not being rude, but I am off to bed now.
By the way, a rule in business, "if you think you know everything, then you probably know nothing".
you haven't just had one of those fortune cookies with your horlicks have you? :takethat:
you haven't just had one of those fortune cookies with your horlicks have you? :takethat:
doubt it - more than likely he's just ignoring this thread (http://www.beerandbollocks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1251) ;)
I'm not sure - this time tomorrow this thread will be about the pedestrianisation of Norwich town centre ;)
Which I have nothing against.
Please don't get me wrong.
But have you considered the impact of such a scheme on outer city commerce?
Davey
"Being involved in the adult industry since "What The Butler Saw" machines were cutting edge doesn't guarantee that you're a great webmaster "
The point I've been trying to make is knowing the difference between an escort and an adult model, therefore knowing that a webmaster can be sued if he shows a model who isn't an escort as one, which is what this thread was originally about :)
As for knowing everything.. My biggest failing is having no idea about scripts of any type. I once had the owner of the Adult Verifier avs write me an .htaccess for one of my Adult Check sites. That is the prob of getting started in this biz at a late age.. I don't have the patience to learn a lot of stuff any more. The best example is Photo Shop.. I took one look at Vers 6 and ran a mile. But then they do charge £1000 for a course on it :) Also Tommy from here had to add banners to my own forum as I was totally lost.
And thank god the boys beat Everton tonight.. I was getting worried about them... LOL
me too.
And it's oh so nice to be above spurs again :)
daveydude
09-20-05, 02:05 AM
Davey
"Being involved in the adult industry since "What The Butler Saw" machines were cutting edge doesn't guarantee that you're a great webmaster "
The point I've been trying to make is knowing the difference between an escort and an adult model, therefore knowing that a webmaster can be sued if he shows a model who isn't an escort as one, which is what this thread was originally about :)
As for knowing everything.. My biggest failing is having no idea about scripts of any type. I once had the owner of the Adult Verifier avs write me an .htaccess for one of my Adult Check sites. That is the prob of getting started in this biz at a late age.. I don't have the patience to learn a lot of stuff any more. The best example is Photo Shop.. I took one look at Vers 6 and ran a mile. But then they do charge £1000 for a course on it :) Also Tommy from here had to add banners to my own forum as I was totally lost.
Yeah I wouldnt wanna come into this biz with absolutely zero knowledge - would be an uphill battle before you knew enough to make any significant money. I was kinda lucky that my pre-porn skills were pretty much all usable in my current work.
I agree that there is a difference between an adult model and an escort, although the line between them is kinda hazy from many peoples point of view. It's funny how the presence of a camera crew legitimises sex for money. You could argue that it's actually worse to have the act filmed than it is to do it in private without anyone else knowing or getting offended by it. Funny old world.
Yeah
Geezer are you a webmaster or just an affiliate and do you Troll part time or are you a full time Troll :)
So affiliates are not webmasters? :lmao2:
I see you say "webmaster or just and affiliate" again this sounds like affiliates are somewhat lesser than a site owner.
If that sahara site is yours then why do you take on affiliates?, mmm, must be they make you money, yes?
As for "troll" I looked on a dictionary site and found this: "designed to attract predictable responses" so you admit your responses are predictable :)
xcite-tv
09-20-05, 12:30 PM
some people care about upsetting models and others dont
"Do unto others" guys
This is whats wrong with the UK porn business. to many immoral users and people just looking for sex and not enough businessmen.
but hey if your happy with that get on with it
daveydude
09-20-05, 01:50 PM
some people care about upsetting models and others dont
"Do unto others" guys
This is whats wrong with the UK porn business. to many immoral users and people just looking for sex and not enough businessmen.
but hey if your happy with that get on with it
Damn right. I think because the *legal* adult industry here is relatively immature, there's a lot of folks with no idea what they're doing, and way too many pervs with cameras who think they can fuck the models. It makes it harder for us genuine businesspeople to find new talent, and gives us all a bad name into the bargain.
The point I've been trying to make is knowing the difference between an escort and an adult model
and the point that you keep missing - deliberately or maybe really not capable to process it - is that both perform sexual acts for money.
your logic is like saying there is a difference between a Marine and an Army troop. which is just as right. and also just as wrong, cos both are there for the same goals, defeating the enemy.
if adult models feel better for thinking they are different, fine, good on them. enough people lead a happy live telling lies to themselves. doesn't make the lies true though.
Damn right. I think because the *legal* adult industry here is relatively immature, there's a lot of folks with no idea what they're doing, and way too many pervs with cameras who think they can fuck the models. It makes it harder for us genuine businesspeople to find new talent, and gives us all a bad name into the bargain.
are you saying Paul Markham is bullshitting when he tells us about models being disappointed when he doesn't want to screw them? :D
daveydude
09-20-05, 02:09 PM
are you saying Paul Markham is bullshitting when he tells us about models being disappointed when he doesn't want to screw them? :D
That HAS to be bullshit. Everyone wants to fuck Paul Markham surely? I know I do.
are you saying Paul Markham is bullshitting when he tells us about models being disappointed when he doesn't want to screw them? :D
Talking of which, I just spoke to Paul and this is what was said:
Geezer: I was just wondering what the deal is with regards to using content on a fake escort site. Is is OK to use your content and say the girls are escorts and give a little bio o them
Paul Markham: Fine, my model release allows you to say what you like about them.
Geezer: OK thanks for that. There is a discussion going on about this and I was sure i could do it with your content. If I remember correctly the only thing we can't do is use the girls real name, is that correct?
Paul Markham: Correct, no real names.
So it seems you are able to use models on fake escort sites :)
Geezer
Because Paul Markham say's it's ok then it is.... DUH
You do it.. Let me know who the model is... I'll tell her she is being portrayed as an escort and when you hear from her lawyer... You can say.. Paul Markham said I could do that...
It is defamation of character.. Talk to a lawyer not Paul Markham. I've been there. only I proved the model was an escort and the lawyer backed off.
Alf Garnet
09-20-05, 02:38 PM
Damn right. I think because the *legal* adult industry here is relatively immature, there's a lot of folks with no idea what they're doing, and way too many pervs with cameras who think they can fuck the models. It makes it harder for us genuine businesspeople to find new talent, and gives us all a bad name into the bargain.
Yes I agree. Its kind of like these programs who get there models to post on forums saying things like "look at my tits" In the hope of attracting webmasters. All they end up with is the 18 year old college webmasters who think they might get a shag. Instead of webmasters who can make sales. But it doesnt seem limited to the U.K it seems universal
Alf Garnet
09-20-05, 02:42 PM
Geezer
It is defamation of character.. Talk to a lawyer not Paul Markham. I've been there. only I proved the model was an escort and the lawyer backed off.
Its only defimation of character if you are saying the model is an escort. i.e using her name etc. If its fantasy you are creating then its not defimation of character if the model release is in order. Just the same as saying this slut likes two fat black dicks. She cant sue because she doesnt like two fat black dicks or because she isnt a slut.
But if you said, this model (using her name etc) went round and fucked Paul Markem last night, then that is defimation of Character.
Other wise how would any film, magazine, either adult or non adult ever be made?
Alf Garnet
09-20-05, 02:43 PM
Talking of which, I just spoke to Paul and this is what was said:
Geezer: I was just wondering what the deal is with regards to using content on a fake escort site. Is is OK to use your content and say the girls are escorts and give a little bio o them
Paul Markham: Fine, my model release allows you to say what you like about them.
Geezer: OK thanks for that. There is a discussion going on about this and I was sure i could do it with your content. If I remember correctly the only thing we can't do is use the girls real name, is that correct?
Paul Markham: Correct, no real names.
So it seems you are able to use models on fake escort sites :)
I too just spoke to Paul and he said that what he actually said was you keep trying to sleep with him :eyebrows:
Because Paul Markham say's it's ok then it is.... DUH
so why is it not right when Paul Markham says it? he is about your age, about as long in the adult biz, so both your main 'arguments' why you know it all are covered.
why is it his opinion has less value than yours, Joe?
Alf Garnet
09-20-05, 02:48 PM
so why is it not right when Paul Markham says it? he is about your age, about as long in the adult biz, so both your main 'arguments' why you know it all are covered.
why is it his opinion has less value than yours, Joe?
Because Paul doesnt live in the UK? Maybe he doesnt know the UK laws as much as photographers living in the UK?
Just a guess. No need to start a fight with me about it :eyebrows:
I want you guys to talk to a lawyer/solicitor, then if I'm wrong I'll apologise. Maybe it happening to me hasn't registered in your heads yet..
I was contacted by a solicitor for saying to someone in an email that a model did escort work and she was told of this. Her solicitor contacted me complaining. I then replied to him giving links to the escort sites she's on, and that was the end of it. I hadn't lied and I didn't say that on a web site.
Please make a site and say a model who isn't an escort is.. Prove me wrong
xcite-tv
09-20-05, 02:52 PM
it still doesnt make it right
Alf Garnet
09-20-05, 02:54 PM
I want you guys to talk to a lawyer/solicitor, then if I'm wrong I'll apologise. Maybe it happening to me hasn't registered in your heads yet..
I was contacted by a solicitor for saying to someone in an email that a model did escort work and she was told of this. Her solicitor contacted me complaining. I then replied to him giving links to the escort sites she's on, and that was the end of it. I hadn't lied and I didn't say that on a web site.
Please make a site and say a model who isn't an escort is.. Prove me wrong
There is a site. Didn't you read the first post?
I want you guys to talk to a lawyer/solicitor, then if I'm wrong I'll apologise. Maybe it happening to me hasn't registered in your heads yet..
I was contacted by a solicitor for saying to someone in an email that a model did escort work and she was told of this. Her solicitor contacted me complaining. I then replied to him giving links to the escort sites she's on, and that was the end of it. I hadn't lied and I didn't say that on a web site
So you haven't had legal action taken against you for implying that a model is an escort? :confused:
Alf
You made a good point.. Paul doesn't live in the UK any more... And I don't think he uses any UK based models, so why should he care. Will Svetlana from Budapest complain.. I don't think so... LOL.
JP hit me up on ICQ/MSN :)
I'll tell you stuff that isn't for public knowledge.. Then it will be clearer.
Because Paul doesnt live in the UK? Maybe he doesnt know the UK laws as much as photographers living in the UK?
Just a guess. No need to start a fight with me about it :eyebrows:
so the UK laws have gone through a massive change since Paul left the UK. ;)
Alf Garnet
09-20-05, 03:04 PM
so the UK laws have gone through a massive change since Paul left the UK. ;)
I dont know. I dont keep track on Paul as much as you do. :eyebrows:
Geezer
Because Paul Markham say's it's ok then it is.... DUH
You do it.. Let me know who the model is... I'll tell her she is being portrayed as an escort and when you hear from her lawyer... You can say.. Paul Markham said I could do that...
It is defamation of character.. Talk to a lawyer not Paul Markham. I've been there. only I proved the model was an escort and the lawyer backed off.
So I shouldn't believe the provider I buy my content from?
Anyway just for you joe Here is an Escort! (http://cumhere4xxx.com/escort/)
Alf Garnet
09-20-05, 03:05 PM
Anyway just for you joe Here is an Escort! (http://cumhere4xxx.com/escort/)
I just phoned her and she wouldnt let me fuck her :ninja:
Alf
You made a good point..
yes he did. he pointed out to you that there is exactly what you want to see, a site claiming models are escorts while they supposedly aren't.
no answer to that one, how surprising. :D
Alf Garnet
09-20-05, 03:07 PM
yes he did.
That is real defimation of character. I refuse to let people say I make any good points! :ninja:
I dont know. I dont keep track on Paul as much as you do. :eyebrows:
not quite sure what a supposed keeping track of a content provider has to do with the legal situation in the UK. :lmao2:
That is real defimation of character. I refuse to let people say I make any good points! :ninja:
sue me. :eyebrows:
I too just spoke to Paul and he said that what he actually said was you keep trying to sleep with him :eyebrows:
Yeah but who doesn't :Penis
HF..
Stop being a prick and read what I have written. Don't read what you want to see. I've had a UK model/escorts solicitor contact me just because of the wording I used in an email. Therefore I have had the experience of a complaint, which I won.
As for your site..All it is is a Premium Rate number. It doesn't say that a surfer should contact her for a booking as the site we're all arguing about implies.
Alf Garnet
09-20-05, 03:17 PM
HF..
Stop being a prick and read what I have written. Don't read what you want to see. I've had a UK model/escorts solicitor contact me just because of the wording I used in an email. Therefore I have had the experience of a complaint, which I won.
As for your site..All it is is a Premium Rate number. It doesn't say that a surfer should contact her for a booking as the site we're all arguing about implies.
It was Geezer with the premium number site. Though I know its hard to tell them apart as they are both just as delightfull as each other :eyebrows:
HF..
Stop being a prick and read what I have written. Don't read what you want to see.
Joey, you just shot yourself in the foot again...
As for your site..
i have no such site, not did i link to any. you better get your glasses old man and start reading what is posted. :lmao2:
It was Geezer with the premium number site. Though I know its hard to tell them apart as they are both just as delightfull as each other :eyebrows:
seeing the only threads you really seem to engage in are those where either of us is posting, you seem to seek the delight. :eyebrows:
so why is it not right when Paul Markham says it? he is about your age, about as long in the adult biz, so both your main 'arguments' why you know it all are covered.
why is it his opinion has less value than yours, Joe?
you also seem to have missed that question Joey. care to enlight us why one old man knows more than the other in your world? :D
Alf Garnet
09-20-05, 03:22 PM
seeing the only threads you really seem to engage in are those where either of us is posting, you seem to seek the delight. :eyebrows:
:eyebrows: :onguard: :eyebrows:
As for your site..All it is is a Premium Rate number. It doesn't say that a surfer should contact her for a booking as the site we're all arguing about implies.
Oh right so just saying she is an escort is not enough now, OK, hang on I'll change it just for you :)
All done joe, is that better?
Alf Garnet
09-20-05, 03:23 PM
Oh right so just saying she is an escort is not enough now, OK, hang on I'll change it just for you :)
All done joe, is that better?
She still wont sleep with me. I'll try the number again :)
She still wont sleep with me. I'll try the number again :)
fuck, it's a double scam then!
first the false claim of her being an escort and then she won't fuck you? scandal.
or does it make the whole thing right again, as claiming she was an escort is proved wrong by her not bonking you?
surely we'll need a solicitor in this case.
She still wont sleep with me. I'll try the number again :)
She's not free, you will have to spend a few bob. Stop buying the JD and you'll soon have enough :coffee:
I want you guys to talk to a lawyer/solicitor, then if I'm wrong I'll apologise. Maybe it happening to me hasn't registered in your heads yet..
I was contacted by a solicitor for saying to someone in an email that a model did escort work and she was told of this. Her solicitor contacted me complaining. I then replied to him giving links to the escort sites she's on, and that was the end of it. I hadn't lied and I didn't say that on a web site.
Please make a site and say a model who isn't an escort is.. Prove me wrong
So what in-fact happened is some model got her solicitor to send a warning shot over your head. There was in-fact NO legal action and hence a legal precidence set to say that we can't use photos of models and claim they're escorts? You may find if it actually came to court and the model release has the right wording, and the model's real name isn't being used that she doesn't have a leg to stand on in such a claim.
Just because a solicitor sends a letter doesn't mean they have an actual case against you. They may be trying it on. They may well have advised their client "we have no case" but let's send a nice legal complaint anyway and see if that works. Or are you not aware of those kind of tactics?
Rebel
I am fully aware of those tactics.. But certain chat line ad's have been changed when solicitors were involved, as the models were not on the end of the phone line as featured. Remember that even girls who don't do hardcore have been used this way and I think a former Page 3 model did take legal action against one of the chat line companies and won.
We all know that solicitors are out to make as much out of their client as possible, but they would have advised her against writing a complaint if they knew that there was only a possibility of winning anything. If they are right then they can do a lot and I think that is the important factor :) Think about the Elton John case years ago when the Sun published the story about him hiring rent boys.. Is that any different to a model being called an escort when she isn't..
We all know that solicitors are out to make as much out of their client as possible, but they would have advised her against writing a complaint if they knew that there was only a possibility of winning anything.
depends on the agreement. if you get one that works for being paid after winning only, yes. if you get one that charges for every bit of work they do, no.
i once received a solicitor's letter where some woman tried to get money for her dead fish. apparently the project i was doing the financial stuff for used such massive machines that the whole house was vibrating and the fish were slammed against the tank sides and died. you reckon the solicitor actually believed that he could win that case?
i actually had a chat with him on it, he agreed that's impossible without the whole house collapsing. but his client said she wanted that letter written, he wrote, got paid and laughed his arse off.
if you pay the solicitor, he will do whatever you want as long it's legal.
daveydude
09-20-05, 06:29 PM
Yes I agree. Its kind of like these programs who get there models to post on forums saying things like "look at my tits" In the hope of attracting webmasters. All they end up with is the 18 year old college webmasters who think they might get a shag. Instead of webmasters who can make sales. But it doesnt seem limited to the U.K it seems universal
Yeah those programs suck. It's not fair to get the models to take an active role in learning about the industry & promoting themselves, they should stick to what they're best at which is getting their tits out & shutting the fuck up.
daveydude
09-20-05, 06:42 PM
Alf, on a non-sarcastic note, how do you know what kind of webmasters such programs might end up with? You're obviously referring to SC here, among others, but I don't recall giving you admin access to our affiliate stats so what are you basing your opinion on? If you personally don't like it when models post pics of themselves, don't view those threads. If you think it's a poor marketing technique, fine, don't promote anyone who does it. We find it to be cheap and effective but we appreciate it gets tacky when used too often, so we don't do it too often. We also try follow the rules of whichever boards we're on & we've had no complaints yet. I'm actually a bit puzzled as to how you think programs should promote their content - is it only bad if the model posts her own stuff?
Shandy McAndy
09-20-05, 08:50 PM
Is this the longest thread on b&b so far? If so, is the original post got anything to do with the thread now?
Is this the longest thread on b&b so far? If so, is the original post got anything to do with the thread now?
no and no. approaching yes and no though.
Shandy McAndy
09-20-05, 08:51 PM
no and no. approaching yes and no though.
is that a yes and then a no? It all seems very complicated :)
is that a yes and then a no? It all seems very complicated :)
true, i have to think about it once more.
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