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[stouch]

As someone who is about to take their first steps into the paysite arena what would be your recommendations re: billing?

Any pointers on the pro's and con's would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers :)

[JT]

As someone who is about to take their first steps into the paysite arena what would be your recommendations re: billing?

Any pointers on the pro's and con's would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers :)

CCBill all the way at least to start, I cant see any benefit not using CCBill at this stage in the game, plus you get the benefit of a great webmaster referal program

[stouch]

Aye it is currently the preferred option but as always, knowledge is power ;)

[JT]

some Pros of CCBill

Great support and very easy to set up
Best third party billing affiliate system by far

Cons
Seem to scrub harder than other payment sollutions

[JT]

Aye it is currently the preferred option but as always, knowledge is power ;)

Im not saying they are the be all and end all but for a first time site, Id say they are best...... What sort of site is it? Im always looking for UK CCbill programs to promote

[stouch]

Well, the initial one will be mature facials, the second is going to be dildocam. But things are a little way off still.

[JT]

Well, the initial one will be mature facials, the second is going to be dildocam. But things are a little way off still.

Ive always done well with facials, mature is a new thing for me, but it converts very well, so converting the two should be great.

[NumptyNuts]

CCbill is one choice though being in the EU I would recomend you look at Verotel (http://links.verotel.com/cgi-bin/make_link.verotel?verotel_id=9804000000511245) .

You can bill your traffic in GBP which makes a heck of a difference. The other benefit is their location, by this I mean their 'real location'.

As CCbill do Verotel (http://links.verotel.com/cgi-bin/make_link.verotel?verotel_id=9804000000511245) have their own affiliate system Verotel (http://links.verotel.com/cgi-bin/make_link.verotel?verotel_id=9804000000511245) may no have the market share of CCBill though it certainly has more commercial advantages if you are trading from the EU.

[Shandy McAndy]

CCbill is one choice though being in the EU I would recomend you look at Verotel (http://links.verotel.com/cgi-bin/make_link.verotel?verotel_id=9804000000511245) .

You can bill your traffic in GBP which makes a heck of a difference. The other benefit is their location, by this I mean their 'real location'.

As CCbill do Verotel (http://links.verotel.com/cgi-bin/make_link.verotel?verotel_id=9804000000511245) have their own affiliate system Verotel (http://links.verotel.com/cgi-bin/make_link.verotel?verotel_id=9804000000511245) may no have the market share of CCBill though it certainly has more commercial advantages if you are trading from the EU.

Veretol suck smelly socks IMHO unless h=they have made some serious improvements over the last couple of years :mad:

[NumptyNuts]

Veretol suck smelly socks IMHO unless h=they have made some serious improvements over the last couple of years :mad:

Why do they suck?

If you are in the EU its nice to charge peoplein the currency they know, thats good business

[Elisha Jade]

when paycom EU launches have them as another option too :)

[a1ka1ine]

Why do they suck?

If you are in the EU its nice to charge peoplein the currency they know, thats good business


im in the eu, 70% of my surfers are in the US, i charge USD because its the industry standard - usd is the global currency, you think a US guy ready to whack off knows how much £20 is in dollars? think he will take the risk without knowing?

however if you have a uk orientated site then yes it makes good sense to charge in GBP :)

[a1ka1ine]

when paycom EU launches have them as another option too :)

ooh interesting, i didnt know they were launching in the EU :)

[PayAsYouClick]

As someone who is about to take their first steps into the paysite arena what would be your recommendations re: billing?

Any pointers on the pro's and con's would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers :)

If you're charging by subscription, I'd agree with the advice here and say ccbill is the best all-round third party biller.

You might also consider charging per click for videos and pictures though. For unusual content this can bring substantial extra income from the same traffic. some surfers like subscription, a great many won't buy them at any price, but they will buy individual video segments etc at say $1 each, and this can quickly reach the same spending level.

Hit me up if you're interested - remember, your best bet is to do both subscription AND pay-per-click.

Danny

[JT]

If you're charging by subscription, I'd agree with the advice here and say ccbill is the best all-round third party biller.

You might also consider charging per click for videos and pictures though. For unusual content this can bring substantial extra income from the same traffic. some surfers like subscription, a great many won't buy them at any price, but they will buy individual video segments etc at say $1 each, and this can quickly reach the same spending level.

Hit me up if you're interested - remember, your best bet is to do both subscription AND pay-per-click.

Danny

do people run PPC and subscriotion on the same site or do the make two different sites?

[ukwebmasters]

it's amazing, people still chitchatting about ccbill and verotel like it's 2002 all over again! check my webmaster site http://www.ukwebmasters.info and read about SMS Billing ::: micropayments is where it's at in 2005

[Cardinal_Sin]

do people run PPC and subscriotion on the same site or do the make two different sites?

I have set up 2 sites -
www.loonervision.com works on a normal monthly subscription and balloonfetishvideos4adollar.com is set up to sell videos on the pay per click system.

I was worried at first that the ppc would decrease site sales. But It hasn't. I think there are many people out there who will buy ppc but who simply do not trust monthly memberships (had their cards squeezed in the past?)
I sell several hundred videos monthly for 1 or 2 dollars and this income is a total bonus.

[chilihost]

i highly recommend CCBillEU too - if you are in the EU then you don't have to pay the $750 visa rego fee so your setup is totally free. I also think verotel is not the best solution - their tickets club may be free but you have to give them ownership of your domain name plus you give them the right to spam your clients, their verotel pro is way better but it is costly to join now.

As for Paycom EU - I have been waiting on this one for over a year. There was a bit of excitement when they took over Jettis who were processing in the EU (but with a retarded contract giving them the right to withdrawl money from your bank account without your knowledge or consent). PaycomEU will be VERY nice but I have heard promises of this for too long so will only believe it when I see it.

Your other options include:
Ynotpayment - I tried setting these guys up for a client and was disappointed that they force telephone callbacks before they will process any site signups. Plus they had many other issues which made them unacceptable for my client.
IBillEU - they have implemented gkard now for eu clients and this was generally very well accepted by ibill US clients, so it could just be a possibility again

there are a couple other smaller ones too...I can't think of them off the top of my head. But of course if you go with a smaller one remember other smaller billers and their eventual fate (psw billing, probilling, globill, globosale, acpay, etc...all these closed and lost $$$ for those using them!!!) I am NOT saying the smaller billers are not good or reliable, I am only saying know what you are getting into.

cheers,
Luke

[PayAsYouClick]

do people run PPC and subscriotion on the same site or do the make two different sites?

You can do either.

For example this is the subscription join page for "itsamateur": http://itsamateur.com/join.html

There's a quite subtle link to the pay-per-click page : http://itsamateur.com/ppc/index.html

On here the surfer can buy each full length video divided into segments at 50c each. If he prefers he can go back and buy a full subscription. So its the same site, same content, but allowing the surfer to choose how to pay.

You'd think the 50c option might reduce signups, but it actually increases them. Some surfers try the pay-per-click option, then do a full join once they see the quality. Other surfers just keep buying at 50c, even though this quickly exceeds the $20 a month join fee.

Overall, the increase in takings from a recent hun listing was up some 30% on what the webmaster normally achieves, even with that quite subtle link from the join page.

Other sites keep the pay-per-click and subscription options completely separate, eg http://www.funbay.com/ppc

Regards

Danny

[Cardinal_Sin]

You can do either.

For example this is the subscription join page for "itsamateur": http://itsamateur.com/join.html

There's a quite subtle link to the pay-per-click page : http://itsamateur.com/ppc/index.html

On here the surfer can buy each full length video divided into segments at 50c each. If he prefers he can go back and buy a full subscription. So its the same site, same content, but allowing the surfer to choose how to pay.

You'd think the 50c option might reduce signups, but it actually increases them. Some surfers try the pay-per-click option, then do a full join once they see the quality. Other surfers just keep buying at 50c, even though this quickly exceeds the $20 a month join fee.

Overall, the increase in takings from a recent hun listing was up some 30% on what the webmaster normally achieves, even with that quite subtle link from the join page.

Other sites keep the pay-per-click and subscription options completely separate, eg http://www.funbay.com/ppc

Regards

Danny

I like posts that feed me ideas :drink:

[NumptyNuts]

im in the eu, 70% of my surfers are in the US, i charge USD because its the industry standard - usd is the global currency, you think a US guy ready to whack off knows how much £20 is in dollars? think he will take the risk without knowing?

however if you have a uk orientated site then yes it makes good sense to charge in GBP :)


The USD is not the internet currency, it just so happens most of the programme owners are US based. The last thing I want is to be paid in USD however until we develop the UK market further then its likely thats how we will be paid.

If a UK guy is ready to wack off do you think they can tell $30 is just £15.50 - no I don't think so either. If I was paysite owner I would use IP to dertermine payment options.

The US is not the be all and end all, if you tie your business into one processor you run the risk of loosing your company should the processor fail.

YOu would be supprised how important you processing partner is and to honest some many people fail to really explore this part of their business properly.

[NumptyNuts]

i highly recommend CCBillEU too - if you are in the EU then you don't have to pay the $750 visa rego fee so your setup is totally free. I also think verotel is not the best solution - their tickets club may be free but you have to give them ownership of your domain name plus you give them the right to spam your clients, their verotel pro is way better but it is costly to join now.

As for Paycom EU - I have been waiting on this one for over a year. There was a bit of excitement when they took over Jettis who were processing in the EU (but with a retarded contract giving them the right to withdrawl money from your bank account without your knowledge or consent). PaycomEU will be VERY nice but I have heard promises of this for too long so will only believe it when I see it.

Your other options include:
Ynotpayment - I tried setting these guys up for a client and was disappointed that they force telephone callbacks before they will process any site signups. Plus they had many other issues which made them unacceptable for my client.
IBillEU - they have implemented gkard now for eu clients and this was generally very well accepted by ibill US clients, so it could just be a possibility again

there are a couple other smaller ones too...I can't think of them off the top of my head. But of course if you go with a smaller one remember other smaller billers and their eventual fate (psw billing, probilling, globill, globosale, acpay, etc...all these closed and lost $$$ for those using them!!!) I am NOT saying the smaller billers are not good or reliable, I am only saying know what you are getting into.

cheers,
Luke

CCBill could be gone tomorrow - go look at the sites they process for and the Visa regulations - acording to new guide lines theres no more BDSM, Spanking etc

If CCbill went bust tomorrow (we only got to know about iBill as they were listed on the stock exchange ) you loose everything they have.

Basically Luke companies that agregate accounts are risky as its a risky way to build a business. How many times have you seen a site they has CCbill as the processor and you think WTF how they get an account.

CCBill is a good entry level total solution - being British I would take paycom :-) just so I can bill in GBP and process rebill switch cards.

[JT]

If a UK guy is ready to wack off do you think they can tell $30 is just £15.50 - no I don't think so either

Of course they do, if the guy is clever enough to buy and use a computer have a job so he can pay for porn. He knows that $30 is, if only roughly.


I wonder if CCBill gave you a reseller account would you push them then? :drink:

[NumptyNuts]

Of course they do, if the guy is clever enough to buy and use a computer have a job so he can pay for porn. He knows that $30 is, if only roughly.


I wonder if CCBill gave you a reseller account would you push them then? :drink:


I don't want to push them ;-) I want to push UK / EU business not line the pockets of the yanks my friend -

[JT]

I don't want to push them ;-) I want to push UK / EU business not line the pockets of the yanks my friend -

Are paycom not a Yank company then? I thought you was reselling them :drink:

[dvtimes]

I would use ccbill.

Why?

One main reason is that people are happy to sign up with ccbill. Its better to use a payment system that people are happy to use. I think its looks more professional. Others look poor. I have looked at some sites, and are instantly put off by the naff looking payment system they use.

Other factors is that its great to set up an affiliate system with.

To be honest, I see no reason not to use them.

[AndyMN]

www.netbilling.com - 1st class, cannot recommend it enought :)!!! Talk to mitch hes a top guy!

[chilihost]

being British I would take paycom

But paycom / epoch do not yet offer EU-based processing, which means you require a US-presence to accept visa. Am I missing something?

cheers,
Luke

[mellenig]

But paycom / epoch do not yet offer EU-based processing, which means you require a US-presence to accept visa. Am I missing something?

cheers,
Luke

Paycom EU are in the process of opening a EU presence they have been for the last year but as far as I know could be reality in the next month or so.

SmithsMedia is a reseller for them according to another thread.

[Geezer]

www.netbilling.com - 1st class, cannot recommend it enought :)!!! Talk to mitch hes a top guy!

Is this who Mensniche use?

[AndyMN]

We use 3 processors at the moment and I'm currently working on adding about 5 more, the reason for doing this is to spread the load and reduce risk. Lets say one processor vanishes (which has happened to us before) we lose ALLOT of money, if its spread over more processors you lose less.

We also use cascading billing so it trys at one place if unsuccessful it then moves onto another processor. Very smart.

We use

Netbilling -> Own merchant account
Universal Processing -> Own Merchant account
CCBill

We are looking to add

PayCom EU
MyVirtualCard
SwitchSolo
EuroDebit
American Express

Quit a job as you can imagin.

[chilihost]

Paycom EU are in the process of opening a EU presence they have been for the last year but as far as I know could be reality in the next month or so.

SmithsMedia is a reseller for them according to another thread.

Next month would be awesome, lets all hope they make it a reality.

cheers,
Luke

[NumptyNuts]

We use 3 processors at the moment and I'm currently working on adding about 5 more, the reason for doing this is to spread the load and reduce risk. Lets say one processor vanishes (which has happened to us before) we lose ALLOT of money, if its spread over more processors you lose less.

We also use cascading billing so it trys at one place if unsuccessful it then moves onto another processor. Very smart.

We use

Netbilling -> Own merchant account
Universal Processing -> Own Merchant account
CCBill

We are looking to add

PayCom EU
MyVirtualCard
SwitchSolo
EuroDebit
American Express

Quit a job as you can imagin.

It's good to see you evaluate your processing in such a way. You also highlight a risk which many people have suffered.

Some more factors worth considering for anyone with reagard to processing are -

1- Settlement Period
2- Method of settlement
3- Discount Rates
4- Rolling Reserve

Its amazing how much revenue you can add to your business by sourcing market for competitive rates. If you run a paysite though also have a shop on that site, it's pretty easy to get a merchant account.

A lot of processors really do not like to shout about dealing with certain types of businesses, they will happly take on new customers though.

Its just a matter of finding the correct solution to meet each individuals needs.