Don't expect to see this one on the TV news

[wankmaster]

Record-breaking cold hits SA
20/10/2003 18:44 - (SA)

Pretoria - Nine temperature records - one 38 years old - plummeted with the mercury on Sunday, the SA Weather Service reported on Monday.

Potchefstroom had its previous coldest day on October 19, 1965, when the thermometer reached a maximum of 12.3° Celsius, the weather service said in a statement. On Sunday, the highest temperature in the North West town was a mere 9.1 ° C.

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_1433160,00.html

Only stories that fit the agenda are "news".

[SimonSubAms]

Record-breaking cold hits SA
20/10/2003 18:44 - (SA)
Only stories that fit the agenda are "news".

Surely something that happened almost 4 years ago isn't "news" now.

[wankmaster]

Sorry wrong link.

http://www.sabcnews.com/south_africa/general/0,2172,149604,00.html

[Bluey]

Surely something that happened almost 4 years ago isn't "news" now.
He doesn't get out much LoL

[daveydude]

I thought the theory went that "global warming" is what's happening on average, but it also results in more chaotic weather conditions and further extremes of hot & cold. It's not the case that everywhere gets nice & warm and stays that way all the time.

[xcite-tv]

global warming must be warming on a global scale.. even if it is average it cant be selective. if our planet is warming up one degree (due to 4x4s of course) then how come SA has been missed out.

Freaky cold weather simply cannot be put down to "global warming" so something else must be to blame for the Global change in weather patterns. which is closer to the truth for whats happening..

When people finally wake up and realise its the changing magnetic fields thats upsetting our eco systems the better, we can then stop blaming the wrong things and learn a little

[wankmaster]

They changed the name from "Global Warming" to "Climate Change", this way they cover their parasitic arses both ways. Since when did the climate NOT change?

As for "more extremes of weather" well

"Quiet hurricane season marks 2006

The quietest hurricane year in a decade officially ends in three weeks, but meteorologists and disaster managers on the Gulf and Florida coasts agree that the season is already over." ( July 2006 ).

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-11-07-hurricane-season_x.htm

Again, this sort of thing doesn't make good news.

Statistically, you will always get freaks of weather every year, it's just down to mathematics. So there's always a good story to be had about "heat waves" and "melting ice" if you're a hack looking to fill a few inches in the newspaper.

[wankmaster]

He doesn't get out much LoL

For your information, I went down to the pub last night for almost 2 hours, and didn't get to bed til after midnight.

So, nerr.

[Bluey]

For your information, I went down to the pub last night for almost 2 hours, and didn't get to bed til after midnight.

So, nerr.
:cheer:

[wankmaster]

And also FYI

http://www.webmasteraccess.com/amsterdam07/event.html

[Bluey]

And also FYI

http://www.webmasteraccess.com/amsterdam07/event.html
Ah, ok nice one. Have you spoken to Hunter at Traffic-out...

[wankmaster]

Yes, we have made contact. I'll let him know the dates.

[strictlybroadband]

global warming must be warming on a global scale.. even if it is average it cant be selective. if our planet is warming up one degree (due to 4x4s of course) then how come SA has been missed out.

:takethat:

Man, you're either working on a comedy routine, or forgot to go to school.

Global warming means that the planet is warming on average, year on year. This is true. It doesn't mean that every spot on the planet gets warmer every year.

I'm guessing you don't know how to read a graph, but in case you do, here's one. If you guessed, would you say the planet's getting colder or warmer?

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/info/warming/gtc2006.gif

[wankmaster]

My point is that the media and others are quite selective about the scare stories they put out. Of course, South Africa having record cold spells proves nothing about global warming, just as those stories that get printed about heatwaves prove nothing either. The headline usually reads somthing like

"Heatwave in London - Can we afford to wait to act on global warming?".

Or those endless clips of polar bears, or cow skulls in dust bowls. It's all bollocks.

[strictlybroadband]

My point is that the media and others are quite selective about the scare stories they put out.

Wankmaster - I pissed myself laughing when you posted this thread. The reason being that I saw a report on South Africa's cold snap on the TV, the day before you wrote "Don't expect to see this one on the TV news"! :)

There IS an enormous propaganda campaign going on. Since the scientific consensus fell behind global warming (20 years ago now), the oil companies have invested in the biggest ever peacetime propaganda campaign. So it's no wonder so many people are confused about this issue.

You remind me of people who used to say smoking was safe in the 80s, although the scientific evidence against this appeared in the 50s. They were also subject to a massive, dishonest propaganda campaign by an industry trying to protect its vested interests, and were cleverly confused into believing that the evidence was not clear-cut.

[wankmaster]

You remind me of people who used to say smoking was safe in the 80s, although the scientific evidence against this appeared in the 50s. They were also subject to a massive, dishonest propaganda campaign by an industry trying to protect its vested interests, and were cleverly confused into believing that the evidence was not clear-cut.

I have a degree in a science subject and did basic research for a while, so I have a better understanding of the science than most people. Everyone must make up their own minds, I've read both sides of this debate and come to the conclusion that the proposition that global warming is largely man made is a crock of shit.

Anyway, time will tell, and each must form their own conclusion.

[xcite-tv]

:takethat:

Man, you're either working on a comedy routine, or forgot to go to school.

Global warming means that the planet is warming on average, year on year. This is true. It doesn't mean that every spot on the planet gets warmer every year.

I'm guessing you don't know how to read a graph, but in case you do, here's one. If you guessed, would you say the planet's getting colder or warmer?

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/info/warming/gtc2006.gif

When i went to school we learnt many things, manners and respect were amongst them. However Global and warming were two words that were never put together and taught to children aged 16 and under in 1975

Back to the manners and respect. dont fucking make assumptions about my intelligence. I may have a dig at your politics and views on certain things. however i do realise your entitled to them, however misguided i may think they are..

I dont know where you pulled that graph from and just being able to read it doesnt make it a true reflection on either global warming or the causes of it..

You go ahead and believe your media led version of life.

[AllRuth]

:takethat:

Man, you're either working on a comedy routine, or forgot to go to school.

Global warming means that the planet is warming on average, year on year. This is true. It doesn't mean that every spot on the planet gets warmer every year.

I'm guessing you don't know how to read a graph, but in case you do, here's one. If you guessed, would you say the planet's getting colder or warmer?

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/info/warming/gtc2006.gif

Well that just proves it, doesn't it? :gaylords:

[xcite-tv]

:takethat:

Man, you're either working on a comedy routine, or forgot to go to school.

Global warming means that the planet is warming on average, year on year. This is true. It doesn't mean that every spot on the planet gets warmer every year.

I'm guessing you don't know how to read a graph, but in case you do, here's one. If you guessed, would you say the planet's getting colder or warmer?

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/info/warming/gtc2006.gif

Just incase you just copy/pasted the really interesting graph and didnt bother to do some research into the findings here is a line from some of their conclusions

"The human influence on the fluxes of carbon among the three “reservoirs” (atmosphere, ocean, and terrestrial biosphere) represent a very small perturbation of a huge global cycle"

No mention of 4x4s anywhere that i read either.. i have to be honest after an hour I started sticking rusty needles into my eyes when i decided to watch paint dry instead. but I forgot am just an uneducated capitalist thug

[wankmaster]

I dont know where you pulled that graph from and just being able to read it doesnt make it a true reflection on either global warming or the causes of it..

You go ahead and believe your media led version of life.

It's actually based on the "hockey stick" data.

"The “hockey stick” representation of the temperature behavior of the past 1,000 years is broken, dead. Although already reeling from earlier analyses aimed at its midsection, the knockout punch was just delivered by Nature magazine. Thus the end of this palooka: that the climate of the past millennium was marked by about 900 years of nothing and then 100 years of dramatic temperature rise caused by people. The saga of the “hockey stick” will be remembered as a remarkable lesson in how fanaticism can temporarily blind a large part of the scientific community and allow unproven results to become “mainstream” thought overnight."

You can read the full story of the hockey stick and how it got snapped here.

http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2005/03/03/hockey-stick-1998-2005-rip/

The fact that the science behind it is bollocks doesn't stop it being bandied about even now. It probably does get used to brainwash school children, but I don't think it has much credibility left in scentific debate.

[xcite-tv]

It probably does get used to brainwash school children, but I don't think it has much credibility left in scentific debate.

I think that pretty much sums it up ...nice one :cheer:

[Damian]

http://www.jibjab.com/view/69023

[strictlybroadband]

"The human influence on the fluxes of carbon among the three “reservoirs” (atmosphere, ocean, and terrestrial biosphere) represent a very small perturbation of a huge global cycle"

Correct. So you now accept that human activity IS disturbing the climate?

[wankmaster]

Correct. So you now accept that human activity IS disturbing the climate?


I guess a fly sitting on a jumbo jet makes it harder for the plane to take off.

[JT]

Wankmaster - I pissed myself laughing when you posted this thread. The reason being that I saw a report on South Africa's cold snap on the TV, the day before you wrote "Don't expect to see this one on the TV news"! :)

There IS an enormous propaganda campaign going on. Since the scientific consensus fell behind global warming (20 years ago now), the oil companies have invested in the biggest ever peacetime propaganda campaign. So it's no wonder so many people are confused about this issue.

You remind me of people who used to say smoking was safe in the 80s, although the scientific evidence against this appeared in the 50s. They were also subject to a massive, dishonest propaganda campaign by an industry trying to protect its vested interests, and were cleverly confused into believing that the evidence was not clear-cut.


I pissed myself laughing when I read this. Everyone who doesnt agree with you and believes a different scientific view, that the world goes in cycles and that 20 years, 100 years or 1000 years of warmer tempretures is listening to propoganda. But you are not?

Have you noticed that in any discussion you have about anything, everyone else is listening to propoganda and you are not :minister:

[strictlybroadband]

I pissed myself laughing when I read this. Everyone who doesnt agree with you and believes a different scientific view

Sorry mate, science only has one view on this. There isn't a climatologist left who DOESN'T believe in global warming.

So in the red corner: Science!

In the blue corner: Shell, Exxon, Wankmaster and Xcite.

Hmmm - tough one.

[wankmaster]

Sorry mate, science only has one view on this. There isn't a climatologist left who DOESN'T believe in global warming.

So in the red corner: Science!

In the blue corner: Shell, Exxon, Wankmaster and Xcite.

Hmmm - tough one.

And this lot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_global_warming_consens us

[badbee]

Coldest day ever recorded today at a Test Match in England. Guess the good people of Yorskshire will be looking forward to the motor car and being able to do their bit to warm up the country.

[JT]

Sorry mate, science only has one view on this. There isn't a climatologist left who DOESN'T believe in global warming.

So in the red corner: Science!

In the blue corner: Shell, Exxon, Wankmaster and Xcite.

Hmmm - tough one.


Science doesnt only have one view on why the world is getting warmer, that is crap as well you know

[wankmaster]

Here's another good link.

Posted May 15, 2007, from the US Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works.

Climate Momentum Shifting: Prominent Scientists Reverse Belief in Man-made Global Warming - Now Skeptics

Growing Number of Scientists Convert to Skeptics After Reviewing New Research

Following the U.S. Senate's vote today on a global warming measure (see today's AP article: Senate Defeats Climate Change Measure,) it is an opportune time to examine the recent and quite remarkable momentum shift taking place in climate science. Many former believers in catastrophic man-made global warming have recently reversed themselves and are now climate skeptics. The names included below are just a sampling of the prominent scientists who have spoken out recently to oppose former Vice President Al Gore, the United Nations, and the media driven “consensus” on man-made global warming.

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=927b9303-802a-23ad-494b-dccb00b51a12&Region_id=&Issue_id=

People are waking up and seeing this MMGW for the bullshit that it is.

Don't expect it to go away any time soon tho, there are so many people feeding at the trough of government grants ( taxpayer money ).