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Probably going to open another can of works here (heres hoping ;) ) but here goes.
I wonder why the majority of pay sites give free content away. As an affiliate I've always been happy and prepared to buy my own, and use that for free sites and galleries, I realise that it's different for single girl sites, and some niches.
For the more general sites though, why do it? Is it a case of everybody does it so you have to, or is there some clear benefit to it? Would it be better to restrict who gets to use it, thereby restricting the amount that is out there?
Just interested really.
to be honest, i'm not happy using brought in content to promote a site, if i was to buy membership based on seeing content not actually available on site, i'd be pissed off.
my feeling is that surfers would feel the same way?
not trying to distract from your thread, but there were some opinions exchanged on restricting access, might be of interest for you :)
http://www.beerandbollocks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9562
not trying to distract from your thread, but there were some opinions exchanged on restricting access, might be of interest for you :)
http://www.beerandbollocks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9562
Interesting read, even if I did fuck my thread up :(
to be honest, i'm not happy using brought in content to promote a site, if i was to buy membership based on seeing content not actually available on site, i'd be pissed off.
my feeling is that surfers would feel the same way?
Yeah totally with you on that. Many times I've had members sign up because they saw clips from a specific movie, or samples from a specific photo set - they'd be extremely pissed off if they joined and it wasn't there.
Nottslad
04-22-07, 05:15 AM
Content is for paysites to buy, not affiliates, imho.
There is so much free content available for affiliates from sponsors that I can't see why anyone would buy it for ll's or tgp submits, unless their rules required it - in which case leave it off your submit list. The way I see it is there's no point spending cash you dont need to.
As per the other thread referenced, I'd still support paysites charging a nominal fee (say $30) for access to decent content for affiliates. That would keep the numbers of affiliates down and probably reduce the amount of free porn available. It'll never happen though.
Content is for paysites to buy, not affiliates, imho.
There is so much free content available for affiliates from sponsors that I can't see why anyone would buy it for ll's or tgp submits, unless their rules required it - in which case leave it off your submit list. The way I see it is there's no point spending cash you dont need to.
As per the other thread referenced, I'd still support paysites charging a nominal fee (say $30) for access to decent content for affiliates. That would keep the numbers of affiliates down and probably reduce the amount of free porn available. It'll never happen though.
It might. I have been thinking about it.
Paul Markham
04-22-07, 07:13 AM
Two weeks ago I closed the door on the free content I give affiliates. Now I check everyone before I approve access to the free content.
Just had two great weeks. Affiliates sign ups are up as well.
Coincidence? Could be.
Some of the people signing up as affiliates are so clearly surfers it's a joke. The number of people who give the names of sites they don't own, sites under construction and sites that do not exist clearly shows a lot of them are surfers looking for free content.
Why do sponsors give so much away?
Well here's my take on it. Some sponsors think it's in their best interest to have as many as possible throwing traffic at a site. They benefit from having too many affiliates. Affiliates over all suffer from too much competition.
As for affiliates buying content and then the surfer finding it's not on the site. If any affiliate can find good content that drives sign ups to my site I will buy the content as well. There's that nut cracked. Any suggestions why other sponsors don't do it?
xcite-tv
04-22-07, 11:25 AM
Two weeks ago I closed the door on the free content I give affiliates. Now I check everyone before I approve access to the free content.
Just had two great weeks. Affiliates sign ups are up as well.
Coincidence? Could be.
Could be a coincedence or could be total bollocks
maybe your getting more signups and affiliates because they haven't seen the content first ???
I was told that it matters not how much free content you have out there as long as its watermarked its just more free marketing
Paul Markham
04-22-07, 11:38 AM
Could be a coincedence or could be total bollocks
maybe your getting more signups and affiliates because they haven't seen the content first ???
I was told that it matters not how much free content you have out there as long as its watermarked its just more free marketing
Could be a coincidence or total BS. Only time will tell.
The idea that membership traffic in a niche as big as teens has seen all or even a lot of the content out there is total bollocks though. Just do the maths, then look at the prices people sell exclusive for.
Yes we do get a lot of type in traffic and I can only assume it's from the watermarked content.
There is so much free content out there we have to provide the surfer with a good reason to sign up. The idea of a paysite is convenience. A paysite should offer a lot of content in one niche/style to get sign ups.
If the surfer can go get the free content in one niche/style he does not need to get his CC out.
Just a theory and not mine. Came from a big sponsor friend of mine.
xcite-tv
04-22-07, 11:49 AM
Just a theory and not mine. Came from a big sponsor friend of mine.
It was not a "theory" it was fact, and came from a big sponsor friend of mine.
I wonder who's friend is bigger?? obviously yours i imagine.
fact is. if there is watermarked content out there it will get more sales from type in traffic than no content.
you said it yourself...:banghead:
Kinky John
04-22-07, 01:59 PM
i wouldn't consider charging affiliates for promo content
because ultimately their work could benefit my own progs,
plus a lot of newbie wm's don't have much bread starting out,
i think many depend on promo stuff just to have something to
put up on their pages other than text links . .
would also mean providing 2257 docs to any freak with a page of HTML,
i won't do that, they have to be "real" and prove it before they get any
of my model info through their letterboxes
wouldn't want any affiliates sending joins using content i never
shot either, it's just false advertising at the end of the day and
it's asking for ear ache from disgruntled members
imo it's more important to put a cap on the sheer amounts of promo,
and not put ALL your sets up for FHG or MGP submittal, particularly
if you don't screen your affiliates too closely
tbh my worries don't extend to affiliates spreading free content
because at least they stand a chance of kicking back some dough,
unlike fucken p2p surfer tea leafs
As for affiliates buying content and then the surfer finding it's not on the site. If any affiliate can find good content that drives sign ups to my site I will buy the content as well. There's that nut cracked. Any suggestions why other sponsors don't do it?
Assuming:
A) That the affiliate did actually buy it in the first place & isn't a newbie who "Borrowed It" to get going.
B) That the content matches in with the overall look & feel of your site & that the affiliate didnt just simply spash the stuff all over the net & got lucky with 1 or 2 joins.
C) That the price offered for said content by the content owner is one that your comfortable with paying, afterall the affiliate may well have paid way over the odds for it, would you ? & then you assume that the content owner wants to sell it to you, it's possible they might not want to.
Perhaps the reasons above are why some sponsors might not do it ? :)
Paul Markham
04-22-07, 03:14 PM
Assuming:
A) That the affiliate did actually buy it in the first place & isn't a newbie who "Borrowed It" to get going.
B) That the content matches in with the overall look & feel of your site & that the affiliate didnt just simply spash the stuff all over the net & got lucky with 1 or 2 joins.
C) That the price offered for said content by the content owner is one that your comfortable with paying, afterall the affiliate may well have paid way over the odds for it, would you ? & then you assume that the content owner wants to sell it to you, it's possible they might not want to.
Perhaps the reasons above are why some sponsors might not do it ? :)
A) The content has to be checked first. As does the affiliate using it.
B) If it's driving traffic to my site that converts after seeing my tour then I seriously have to consider why I do not have it on my site.
C) If the affiliate can afford it and it's working that well I would think the odds are I'm going to want it.
I speak as a guy without the blinkers of some. I see the vast majority of porn surfers just looking for new porn in the general niche/style they like. I'm not so arrogant and blinkered to think it has to be my content, shot by me or even exclusive to me. It's just porn, not the Cistern Chapel.
There is a much bigger reason sponsors have tied affiliates to using only sponsor content, sponsor hosting, sponsor galleries, etc.
Does not take a brain surgeon to work it out.
Does not take a brain surgeon to work it out.
I'm not a brain surgeon and can't work it out, can you explain?
Kinky John
04-22-07, 03:46 PM
I'm not a brain surgeon and can't work it out, can you explain?
hehe me neither . . do elaborate further Mr Markham sir
I'm not a brain surgeon
Fuck, you said you was before you started that operation on DV
fact is. if there is watermarked content out there it will get more sales from type in traffic than no content.
you said it yourself...:banghead:
Are you sugesting Mr M has contradicted himself? :eek:
Paul Markham
04-22-07, 03:56 PM
Are you sugesting Mr M has contradicted himself? :eek:
Watermarked content drives it to the site, giving them tons and tons of more watermarked content to spread around drive more traffic to the site.
Did you see me mention sign ups in that post?
Traffic is not important, it's sign ups that count. Spreading little tasters of content all over the net works. But when they arrive giving them the affiliates free content destroys the good work.
I was wrong I should of cut off the access to the free content a long time ago.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/science/media/surgery.jpg
"Well I am A Brain Surgeon & I Ain't Got A Fuck'in Clue What Markham's On About"
Paul Markham
04-22-07, 04:23 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/science/media/surgery.jpg
"Well I am A Brain Surgeon & I Ain't Got A Fuck'in Clue What Markham's On About"
Here are two choices. Choose the one that's better for your business long term.
You can have;
500 affiliates relying on you for content, hosting, banners, galleries, blog text and anything else the sponsor can give.
Or 500 who do not rely on you for nothing.
THE TRAFFIC THEY SEND IS EQUAL.
Paul Markham
04-22-07, 08:05 PM
No more fancy answers? Did I get it right.
xcite-tv
04-23-07, 10:02 AM
No more fancy answers? Did I get it right.
Actually if you think your right, your right. Who are we mere mortals to say different.
For me, I am going to listen to the people that told me differently. as I think they know best. and i did also point out that perhaps you were making more sales and getting more affiliates because they cannot see your content beforehand, could that be right?
Also you said,
Or 500 who do not rely on you for nothing.
If they do not rely on them for nothing, that means they must rely on them for something!!! your confusing yourself..
Paul Markham
04-23-07, 10:20 AM
Actually if you think your right, your right. Who are we mere mortals to say different.
For me, I am going to listen to the people that told me differently. as I think they know best. and i did also point out that perhaps you were making more sales and getting more affiliates because they cannot see your content beforehand, could that be right?
Are you saying my content is no good and if I don't show it to them they will sign up?
Good point. but then why are people saying my content it saturated? To make it saturated it has to sell a lot, a lot of surfers have to join the sites it's on, the sites have to keep going. Bit tough to do all that with bad content that is always being added to.
You stopped taking your pills again. :gaylords:
If they do not rely on them for nothing, that means they must rely on them for something!!! your confusing yourself..
No I'm confusing you. Go get them pills. :gaylords:
Coming to Amsterdam?
xcite-tv
04-23-07, 10:31 AM
Coming to Amsterdam?
Unfortunatly not this time, We are planning to go in Sept. see you there ?
Paul Markham
04-23-07, 10:53 AM
Unfortunatly not this time, We are planning to go in Sept. see you there ?
I'll be there as far as I know now.
Kinky John
04-23-07, 12:25 PM
Unfortunatly not this time, We are planning to go in Sept. see you there ?
bring Venice ;)
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