View Full Version : Would you / have you subcontracted web design to indian designers?
I keep getting spammed by webdesigners in India and elsewhere offering web design or script building etc.
So far I've ignored it but I'm now wondering whether this might not be a bad idea.
I'm thinking here mainly for non-adult related work. Client wants a site to do X. I act as the middle man to get it designed.
No reason why it shouldn't work for adult stuff too.
Any thoughts, ideas, recommendations etc?
wankmaster
04-13-07, 02:22 PM
I had an indian guy do some programmming for me. I was disappointed in the result.
I also had some very simple non-programming stuff done by a Ukranian. I ended up doiing it myself. It was quicker. Other people seem to have the same experience. They promise and don't deliver.
Hope you can get a personal recommendation from someone. That would be best.
xcite-tv
04-13-07, 02:23 PM
Why not ??
Indians are amongst the most hard working and honest people i have ever done business with.. cant see why they wont do a great job
Cant say the same for some of their neighbours though
I have a guy who works fulltime from filipines - once he knows what hes doing hes great its explaining what to do and how to do stuff.
I have thought about hiring coders but I looked at their outsourced code and it was dodgy, full of security holes etc
First thing that comes to mind was the programme exposing the Indian call centres that sells peoples data.OK this was poeples bank acoount info etc and and not website data and I don't want to tar all the Indian people with the same brush but customer data security would be of paramount concern in this instance...I suppose if you can this aspect sorted you could be onto a winner....:coffee:
Wow! Before you get too excited, there was no implied racism in my question. It's more about the pros and cons of subcontracting to regions of the world where labour is cheaper .... and how to find reliable designers there.
No racism was read into your post and the reply was certainly not intended to imply any sort of racism.The point was that the protection/security of the clients data would be of paramount importance in this instance and I would look to for guarantees to support this. I agree with the other posts the Indian people are very hardworking.....:cheers2:
i would never use indian coders again, i used them to code a main stream project for me and it was shit took them 4 months longer then they said it would
I have a russain that does my coding now and hes fucking great, all the projects i have given him have been fisnhed on time. He even sorted the code out on the site the indians coded for me
I havn't worked with indian coders/designers, but I've hired a lot from ex ussr countries and all have done top shelf work for me.
-N
No racism was read into your post and the reply was certainly not intended to imply any sort of racism.The point was that the protection/security of the clients data would be of paramount importance in this instance and I would look to for guarantees to support this. I agree with the other posts the Indian people are very hardworking.....:cheers2:
It's OK. Wasn't your post I was replying to.
I accept your point that security could be an issue and it's one I hadn't thought of. I guess where a site were gathering financial or personal data, in a shopping cart for example, it would be necesary to check through the coding carefully. Not easy reading other people's code.
Grisey, Nekrom or anyone - if you don't want to post names on the board I'd be pleased if you can recommend anyone via a B&B private message.
It sounds very much that the former USSR has a good rep.
It is always difficult when brokering services online, might be an idea
to ask the contacts in Indian to come and meet you and get them to send
you their company history, sounds long winded but if the shit hits the fan with your clients its you they blame.If the Inidan company is happy to supply their details and references of existing clients, outside of Indian and they don't want any upfront fees then go for it...:cheers2:
Alot of our doctors are indian & you can find they are great on the intelligence of the web
I might get an Indian to decipher your posts
WordsforHire
04-13-07, 03:10 PM
Isnt it the world wide web?
I dont think it should matter if its an indian webdesigner or geordie....
Basically you can find everyone is the same to work for & work with.
What you will probably find though, is that an indian webdesigner will work harder because of their up bringing.
Some of the british are lazy & find it great to natter like old women... lol.
Alot of our doctors are indian & you can find they are great on the intelligence of the web... most Indians know what they are doing.
It's nothing to do with creed or religion but experience.
Most Indian programmers/designers we've used - their work was half assed and I think the reason for that waas because they couldn't understand the projects rather than they didn't put enough effort in. They might work all hours and expect little pay but we've come across the problem is communication.
Some of every country are lazy btw. It's not just the Brits. Also, their 'upbringing' hasn't anything to do with it.
If the Indian company is happy to supply their details and references of existing clients, outside of India and they don't want any upfront fees then go for it...:cheers2:
Yeah, I thought references would be a sensible way to go. Especially if i can talk to their clients in the UK.
Yeah, I thought references would be a sensible way to go. Especially if i can talk to their clients in the UK.
Have a read of this it may help you make your decision
http://out-law.com/page-479
These are very good and helpful lawyers....:cheers2:
Have a read of this it may help you make your decision
http://out-law.com/page-479
These are very good and helpful lawyers....:cheers2:
Lots of info there. Thanks.
Mind you, if I'd been at the meeting when they decided to call their law site out-law.com I'd have thought that a good idea. Makes me think of Jesse James and Billy the Kid. :)
..........their work was half assed and I think the reason for that waas because they couldn't understand the projects rather than they didn't put enough effort in. They might work all hours and expect little pay but we've come across the problem is communication.
That's what's worrying me.
I find for my non-adult work I'm working with people who need to have a local rather than in international impact.
We're all a bit focussed on the world wide aspect of the WWW and forgetting that most people do business locally ..... and small businesses can't offord the prices of swanky web design companies.
.... and of course it's having the local knowledge that gives a designer the edge over someone on the other side of the world - however good their coding skills are.
adultmix
04-13-07, 03:59 PM
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That's what's worrying me.
I find for my non-adult work I'm working with people who need to have a local rather than in international impact.
We're all a bit focussed on the world wide aspect of the WWW and forgetting that most people do business locally ..... and small businesses can't offord the prices of swanky web design companies.
.... and of course it's having the local knowledge that gives a designer the edge over someone on the other side of the world - however good their coding skills are.
Why don't you try to recruit local college/ university students that can provide the services you want and re-sell them to the local business communty, this should meet everybodys' needs whilst being controlable..:cheers2:
Grisey, Nekrom or anyone - if you don't want to post names on the board I'd be pleased if you can recommend anyone via a B&B private message.
You have a pm :crown:
Scotty.T
04-13-07, 04:42 PM
Never outsourced to India before. Always used people from ex-Eastern Bloc countries and never had any major problems.
One thing I found handy with that has been that they were closer to my time zone so could converse back and forth with ICQ etc a lot easier.
Why don't you try to recruit local college/ university students that can provide the services you want and re-sell them to the local business communty, this should meet everybodys' needs whilst being controlable..:cheers2:
Yeah. Though I haven't had one for a while, I occassionally get emailed CVs from students too so that's an option.
we have outsourced to an indian firm aswell and we are not very impressed so far, so if you guys can recommend anyone please send a pm ,
Nottslad
04-13-07, 07:47 PM
You could try a site like http://www.getafreelancer.com/
You post details of your project, freelancers then bid for the work. Use their ratings from previous jobs they've done to pick someone suitable.
WordsforHire
04-14-07, 09:57 AM
GAF and SL(scriptlance.com) and there's also RAC (rentacoder.com) are good places for outurcing work but remember you do get what you pay for. The reviews help a great deal when picking someone :)
Cardinal_Sin
04-14-07, 04:53 PM
I know Spanno's guy is based in the filipines or somewhere round that way - I have put some designs and will be putting many more designs through Spanno, too -
Latest one from him is Kelly Dee (http://www.kelly-dee.com) - I think the design hits the mark spot on.
As someone who does freelance work communication is #1. I've never worked for anyone who didn't have a really good grasp of English but I imagine it would get pretty tough if both parties weren't on the right page.
GAF and SL(scriptlance.com) and there's also RAC (rentacoder.com) are good places for outurcing work but remember you do get what you pay for. The reviews help a great deal when picking someone :)
So is that how you get a lot of your work because you're a sort of freelance wordsmith as I recall aint yer?
Scottybuzz
04-16-07, 12:19 PM
i had one from the far east and over christmas he didnt do the job i asked of him because a storm had taken out all the power lines and stuff. Just something to bear in mind.
WordsforHire
04-16-07, 01:26 PM
So is that how you get a lot of your work because you're a sort of freelance wordsmith as I recall aint yer?
That was where I started and got into the freelance biz. Paul used to be a coder on those sites too till he struck into a superb deal and it's now a small growing empire LOL. I couldn't ever go back to work on those sites purely because the money is so poor. $2 is what people expect to pay for A4 page copy - It's not worth the time or effort. Sometimes of course there are big jobs over there so I pop in now and then but they aren't adult related. It's not often you do find an adult job over there.
Indians have the market over there now, before there used to be real competition but webmasters now pay so little that anyone outside of the poorer countries cant afford to TRY to make a living there - it can't be done unless you're in Indian, or Russia or somewhere of the like.
$2 is what people expect to pay for A4 page copy - It's not worth the time or effort.
$2 phew!
I wrote a short book review for an obscure little UK magazine about 10 years ago and got £50 for it then - and a free copy of the book. I don't know what the going rate is now. Must be more I guess.
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