Affiliates who want free blog hosting.

[Paul Markham]

Seen on a few boards that some affiliates have problem or paying over the odds for hosting their blogs. So was thinking about doing some hosting for them.

So would you take the deal if I insisted on a banner and every 5th post to be one of ours? With your affiliate code of course.

[JT]

Blog hosting costs absolute peanuts, if they cant afford to invest £5 a month into their business then maybe they are not the type of affiliates you want

[daveydude]

Aren't there already free adult blog hosts like Thumblogger that don't insist on obtrusive advertising?

[JT]

Aren't there already free adult blog hosts like Thumblogger that don't insist on obtrusive advertising?

Yes lots of them, not sure how many allow adult though?

[daveydude]

Yes lots of them, not sure how many allow adult though?

Thumblogger is 100% adult as I understand it - seems to be the first & last call for free blog hosting.

PS - Check your ICQ.

[dvtimes]

Yes lots of them, not sure how many allow adult though?

many are adult.

[rogue]

if you have a blog system that allows RSS feeds then i'll be up for it

[dvtimes]

Seen on a few boards that some affiliates have problem or paying over the odds for hosting their blogs. So was thinking about doing some hosting for them.

So would you take the deal if I insisted on a banner and every 5th post to be one of ours? With your affiliate code of course.

so where would the banner (your banner) be placed?

And would 'your' post (every 5th) be automaticly included or will people have to do this?

Its not a bad deal, we do all the work, and you get the cash.

[Paul Markham]

Thanks for the replies. The idea came to me from some bloggers complaining about getting thrown off a free hosting site because they were adult.

So how do the free hosting companies make their money?

I don't see why it will not have an RSS feed, so that should be fine. We will also be putting all our blog text posts up for affiliates soon.

As for the advertising being intrusive, I thought the idea of affiliates blogging was to make obtrusive adverts LOL

It has to work for both parties otherwise it's not a good deal.

[dvtimes]

It has to work for both parties otherwise it's not a good deal.

so what if somone signes up but does not get you sales? will you kick them off?

and who will you alow to sign up? i mean unless they are doing teen sites, ie, say gay, them your banner will be pointless.

[Paul Markham]

so what if somone signes up but does not get you sales? will you kick them off?

and who will you alow to sign up? i mean unless they are doing teen sites, ie, say gay, them your banner will be pointless.
Go away Mr NEGATIVE.

If they get no sales what's the odds of them getting traffic?

If they get traffic and get no sales who's fault is it?

What do you think the chances of a gay blog working if every 5th post was for Paul Markham Teens?

DV, take a break and have a cup of :coffee:

[dvtimes]

Go away Mr NEGATIVE.

If they get no sales what's the odds of them getting traffic?

If they get traffic and get no sales who's fault is it?

What do you think the chances of a gay blog working if every 5th post was for Paul Markham Teens?

DV, take a break and have a cup of :coffee:

but thats what you said was every 5th post will be for your site ??????????

poor old sole is forgetting what he typed in his post.

[Paul Markham]

but thats what you said was every 5th post will be for your site ??????????

poor old sole is forgetting what he typed in his post.

Have two cups of coffee. :coffee: :coffee:

What is the chance of a gay blog wanting my posts and what is the chance of me giving them hosting. Only a fool would think a gay site would promote a teen girls site and a teen girl site would host a gay blog.

Have three cups of coffee. :coffee: :coffee: :coffee:

Only kidding.

Go get your own coffee.

[Damian]

So how do the free hosting companies make their money?

Quite surprised you don't know this Paul.

It's simple.

They get a price break on the bandwidth based on volume. So the more bandwidth they burn, the better price they get it for.

This is the basic model for free hosting of anything. Look at libsyn.com. Free video/audio podcast hosting. Well, $5 a month. Unlimited bandwidth. I used them for the PB video podcast. We were burning alot of bandwidth. Libsyn do a terrabyte a day. Because of this, they get the bandwidth REALLY cheap and can sell it to other customers more competitively.

:)

Damian

[dvtimes]

Have two cups of coffee. :coffee: :coffee:

What is the chance of a gay blog wanting my posts and what is the chance of me giving them hosting. Only a fool would think a gay site would promote a teen girls site and a teen girl site would host a gay blog.

Have three cups of coffee. :coffee: :coffee: :coffee:

Only kidding.

Go get your own coffee.

this is what i am saying ?????????????????

how do you deside who you will let use your service?

i mean surly its easer just to sign up with one of the several free hosts that provide you with all the blogging softwear you need, rather than sign up to you to be forced to have every 5th post promote your site, plus a banner.

surly in truth what your saying is, "i keep telling you all i am the best yet no one wants to promote my sites. mabe i am not the best and all these years of me telling everyone i am great, i now know i was wrong. no one wants to join my sites, that sucks. mabe io should quit the porn business, but if i do how will i ever see any teen girl nude again? like sucks."

[Paul Markham]

Quite surprised you don't know this Paul.

It's simple.

They get a price break on the bandwidth based on volume. So the more bandwidth they burn, the better price they get it for.

This is the basic model for free hosting of anything. Look at libsyn.com. Free video/audio podcast hosting. Well, $5 a month. Unlimited bandwidth. I used them for the PB video podcast. We were burning alot of bandwidth. Libsyn do a terrabyte a day. Because of this, they get the bandwidth REALLY cheap and can sell it to other customers more competitively.

:)

Damian
I see [for instance] 50% of the BW they burn gets them 60% off the price for everything. I need a deal like that. LOL

DV of course I will vet who I host. Only a fool.........

You are dead right no one wants to buy my porn. Go to your local newsagents to see the no ones buying my porn for thousands of dollars.

[Paul Markham]

OK it was just an idea I got after seeing some posts about people having problems getting hosting for adult blogs. Maybe it was a stupid idea,

I never said I knew everything about everything. You did. :crown:

[Damian]

i mean surly its easer just to sign up with one of the several free hosts that provide you with all the blogging softwear you need, rather than sign up to you to be forced to have every 5th post promote your site, plus a banner.

It's not really a blog is it if its got forced ads and forced posts in it?

That would be a splog.

Real blogs build up a loyalty from your customer base, allow and encourage interaction from your readers and deliver content worth reading. It creates a unique 2-way dialogue between your brand/service and your customers (and potential customers).

Look at what Scoble did for Microsoft.

Look at how Violet Blue promotes her work very cleverly through her personal blog www.tinynibbles.com.

Look how Fleshbot works.

a) Write some good content
b) Get readers
c) encourage readers to subscribe to your blog via RSS
d) After a while, you have a loyal, interested and responsive audience who will act upon your suggestions.
e) When you get to the traffic figures of those I mentioned above, you can command a high fee for very targeted, non-intrusive ads and also drive traffic to your commercial projects

Sorry to go on, but I really hate people calling splogs blogs and also really get frustrated how people in adult REALLY don't seem to get how to use a *real* blog as a unique marketing tool.

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[dvtimes]

To be honest I think your wasting your time with your site.

Yes you know how to take pics, but i think you seem to think that if you put them on a site peiople will join like crazy.

From reading your posts it seems that you have very few people promoting your site.

Also as a surfer your site does not realy look like a pay site. It looks like a content store site (which i suspect thats what its based on).

You see, i think it does not matter how much you push your site, its not ever going to be that big.

Personaly if i was you, i would stick to the content side and sell to webmasters.

The problem you may now have is that it could put webmasters off from buying your content as they know (or suspect) that it will be on your site.

I am not having a go at you.

Its just reading your posts, I feel yes you know about content, but nothing about doing a pay site.

Or at least you may be better off simply giving your content to somone who runs susseffull sites and get a % of sales. Thus you conentrate on content and let others do the webside.

[Damian]

You are dead right no one wants to buy my porn. Go to your local newsagents to see the no ones buying my porn for thousands of dollars.

I know you are really old and that, but please don't quote me and then reply to another poster. Your post makes it seem that *I* suggested no one buys your porn. In fact, I don't think anyone suggested that in this thread. Certainly not me. I wouldn't be so rude.

[JT]

OK it was just an idea I got after seeing some posts about people having problems getting hosting for adult blogs. Maybe it was a stupid idea,

I never said I knew everything about everything. You did. :crown:

Giving away free hosting itself isnt a stupid idea, I give away hosting and often expect it from my sponsors also.

But for blogs its not a great idea as blogs use virtually no bandwith at all and like I said in my first post if an affiliate cant afford to invest $9 a month in his business he needs to have a re think.

But when I offer free hosting to affiliates its a personal deal done with me and my affiliates, with affiliates I know and trust and know they will make sales and not abuse the hosting. No setting of what they do, no where they put banners, I know and they know what they do with the hosting without me telling them

This goes with those sponsors who give me hosting, I havnt yet had a complaint from a sponsor, I dont need to be told where to put banners, I use their hosting to make us both sales.

So I guess what Im saying is offer free hosting to some affiliates if you both think it will work, but this blogging hosting idea isnt the best youve had :)

[Paul Markham]

To be honest I think your wasting your time with your site.


DVT to be honest I think you are wasting your time.

In a few months we will re employ Jana an old assistant shooter of ours. She's been away on maternity leave. I could put her to driving traffic or get her back to shooting content. Which one do you think will pay the most?

We can find work that will make $1500 for a day. The models cost $600 so that leaves $900 from a solo girl day. We will need to buy an extra stills and video camera, cost $5000 tops and will last for a minimum of 100 shoots, $50 a shoot. She could do two days a week like that. $1800 for two days work, less expenses.

Or I could get her driving traffic, you have a better idea than me of what that pays.

As you point out Eva and I are good shooters and would come a bit more expensive than Jana, we could also get two day work a week. Each one of us. This is without shooting magazines, content store, paysite, mobile phones, DVD and sending our old content to brokers.

Eva and I can shoot boy girl for $2,000 a scene and do two a day, $4,000. Models cost $1,000 to $1500 tops. Lesbian scenes, 3 a day at $1,000 so $3,000. Two models cost $1,200. If you have not noticed, we do not shoot custom at the moment. And only thinking about it because Jana was a good shooter and it would be a shame to lose her. Plus she can make us a profit.

As for the paysite, please stop thinking like a webmaster. Surfers don't know what a content store is and would not know what one looks like. What they do see is 410 videos & 4 new ones every day, 1300 picture sets & 5 new ones every day. They see girls that are not on every other "Exclusive" teen site on the net, maybe because we don't shoot exclusive, they see as you point out good content. They also see it's not a cookie cutter tour like 100,000 other sites.

So let's talk about the paysite. It's just another avenue for making money from our content, we're not a one horse stable. If we had to live off the paysite we would be in trouble. Situation is the hosting, content and everything else is paid for.

The check that comes from CCBILL every month is profit. Think about it and work out what only ten joins a day that stay two months are worth. Yes scary if we had to live off it?

We can discuss this further in Amsterdam, I will be there as always propping up the bar. Or you could come to Prague and meet me. We could meet in the apartment we have, just for casting. Yes we have an apartment in Prague we use just for castings. Eva drives there and back in a day, I stay over night and go out with my mates who live in Prague. We go 3-4 times a month.

So next time you want to take a pop and tell me what you think. Stop and think a bit harder.

Damian, DVtimes was suggesting we were not selling. Plus a few others.

Johny Traffic it was just an idea. Safe secure fast hosting that's not run on shoe string or as a favour for free. It would be only with affiliates who I wanted to host for. Hosting is cheap, if you have what we have, but the less you pay the less you get. And as I said it was just a thought that came to me after seeing posts about hosting blogs.

I know about hosting for affiliates, we have a few affiliates doing our FHGs. The BW for that alone would sink a few of my critics. :kissass:

[Paul Markham]

DVtimes or any other person who thinks we have good content and not a clue how to run a paysite. Here's an offer.

Design and organise your own paysite or programof paysites. Fill it with our content and others if you so wish. You run the paysite the way you want to. We just host, fill it with content to your instructions and the programming.

You do the traffic and organise the billing.

We charge you for the BW, it will be fair, and a setting up charge.

You can run the site any way you decide, you get paid 100% of the joins, you get the exit traffic, the cross sells, the up sells from inside the members area. YOU GET TO BE YOUR OWN BOSS.

So come on critics, you know so much more than me, prove it.

[-HF]

DVtimes or any other person who thinks we have good content and not a clue how to run a paysite. Here's an offer.

Design and organise your own paysite or programof paysites. Fill it with our content and others if you so wish. You run the paysite the way you want to. We just host, fill it with content to your instructions and the programming.

You do the traffic and organise the billing.

We charge you for the BW, it will be fair, and a setting up charge.

You can run the site any way you decide, you get paid 100% of the joins, you get the exit traffic, the cross sells, the up sells from inside the members area. YOU GET TO BE YOUR OWN BOSS.

So come on critics, you know so much more than me, prove it.

isn't that the same idea that made you the netplonk laughing stock?

[Paul Markham]

isn't that the same idea that made you the netplonk laughing stock?
Yes. So what's wrong with the idea?

They can't run a paysite better than the people they send traffic to?

They are always looking for new and under promoted sponsors, so can't be the sponsors able to pay a fortune.

The big guys I accept are already catered for, but the guys able to send five to ten sign ups a day? That's $150 to $600 a day before costs and upsells.

They are all experts on what others should do and not able to see an opportunity?

They could not send five sign ups a day to their own site?

So come on HF what's the problem with this idea.

And don't just tell me it was told on *******, all they said was they could not make it pay. They never said WHY they could not make it.

So why are you not interested?

[Bradderzzz]

the only reason i would want free blog hosting off someone else would be to bag different IP's to help linking to get higher up the serps.

[Paul Markham]

the only reason i would want free blog hosting off someone else would be to bag different IP's to help linking to get higher up the serps.
So that would make it a good reason to have it.

Thanks for being positive.

[dvtimes]

For somone who claims to have a million pound a day in members site, you seem to be despaerate to get affiliates.

How come when you post about how well your doing, avg pops up with a bullsh*t alert.

[Paul Markham]

For somone who claims to have a million pound a day in members site, you seem to be despaerate to get affiliates.

How come when you post about how well your doing, avg pops up with a bullsh*t alert.
I never claim to make that much. So why are you lying and how many scenes do you want in your paysite?

Just take time out to think things through before you say I'm not making money and you're such an expert.

Thanks for playing I'm off to watch the soccer, our daughter was watching Shrek.

We could meet up in Majorca, are you going to the show there?

I'm out of this thread.

[-HF]

Yes. So what's wrong with the idea?

first few points that come to mind:

We just host, fill it with content to your instructions and the programming. - so my work relies on someone else's capability in hosting and CMS handling. cheers, but no. my work, my control.

We charge you for the BW, it will be fair, and a setting up charge. - my hoster will charge me for hosting, no need for a middle man. basically see previous point.

You can run the site any way you decide, - so why run it through a middle man?

you get paid 100% of the joins, - that one has me confused. if i use a billing service, i will not get 100%, as the biller will deduct a fee. or do you mean i get paid for 100% of the joins i send, as in not being shaved? whose shaving would you compare that shave rate to? your own? any other sponsor's?

you get the exit traffic, the cross sells, the up sells from inside the members area. YOU GET TO BE YOUR OWN BOSS. - nothing an own setup wouldn't give me, so why run it through a middle man?

i cannot be arsed to check, but weren't you talking about a revshare system rather than just paying you for BW and setup, when you laid out that idea on netplonk?

[Scottybuzz]

bandwidth is cheap as fuck these days, espeically for blogs and search, I disagree with johny traffic. when i first joined adult, its more than just £5 per month, its adding yet more and more stuff. when i joined i wanted it to be cheap as possible with as little adminstrative stuff to do. I loved the free hosting i got from my sponser, it was one less thing to worry about. You will get plenty of affiliates if you market it well. Granted, most will fail and fall, but the odd few will rise and some will continue with your free hosting.

what i suggest you do, is instead of your banner and 5th post, or whatever you plan. pop a little search box (wether that be your own fake search eginne, or sending traffic to another search eginne for a fee or whatever) in the header add a link in the footer which goes to a page of a variety of well presented links. of all catagories ( this is the part u start spamming)

this probably wont be profitable to start with, and if you really feel the pinch, then add your banners and spam away, but the more newbs you get, the cheaper the overall bandwidth costs will be.

[Scottybuzz]

/\/\/\/\ i may of course be completely of the mark with this and completely underestimated bandwidth charges.

[JT]

bandwidth is cheap as fuck these days, espeically for blogs and search, I disagree with johny traffic. when i first joined adult, its more than just £5 per month, its adding yet more and more stuff. when i joined i wanted it to be cheap as possible with as little adminstrative stuff to do. I loved the free hosting i got from my sponser, it was one less thing to worry about. You will get plenty of affiliates if you market it well. Granted, most will fail and fall, but the odd few will rise and some will continue with your free hosting.

what i suggest you do, is instead of your banner and 5th post, or whatever you plan. pop a little search box (wether that be your own fake search eginne, or sending traffic to another search eginne for a fee or whatever) in the header add a link in the footer which goes to a page of a variety of well presented links. of all catagories ( this is the part u start spamming)

this probably wont be profitable to start with, and if you really feel the pinch, then add your banners and spam away, but the more newbs you get, the cheaper the overall bandwidth costs will be.


Free hosting isnt the same as free blog hosting. You can easily get a blog hosted for $9.95 a month from pretty much every host out there.

[xcite-tv]

DVtimes or any other person who thinks we have good content and not a clue how to run a paysite.



are you saying that only people without a clue how to run a paysite would buy your content..

[-HF]

are you saying that only people without a clue how to run a paysite would buy your content..

he is out of this thread, pay attention to the master's voice, will you? :takethat:

[xcite-tv]

he is out of this thread, pay attention to the master's voice, will you? :takethat:

What a shame i was just warming up :crown: