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Rach_69
03-19-07, 04:04 PM
My new website is now up and running!!
www.rachelreveals.co.uk
Its a bit rude :blush:
Also you say: "I adore sucking on big fat cocks" and all I see is small skinny ones :gaylords:
Rach_69
03-19-07, 04:10 PM
i do adore sucking on fat cock - didnt say that ALL the cocks i suck are fat tho!!
i do adore sucking on fat cock - didnt say that ALL the cocks i suck are fat tho!!
Excellent I may be in with a chance then.
mOBSCENE
03-19-07, 04:13 PM
Oh fuck only an hour into my afternoon and I have to change my pants :(
Also you say: "I adore sucking on big fat cocks" and all I see is small skinny ones :gaylords:
Good job you weren't in leeds mate all you would of seen is flacid ones :banghead:
xcite-tv
03-19-07, 04:55 PM
looks great....
but i would change the quality of the preview video... looks pretty awfull quality and will give potential members the idea its all like that..
good luck with it :crown:
Kinky John
03-19-07, 05:43 PM
Excellent I may be in with a chance then.
buwahahahahaha
Video Rob
03-20-07, 04:50 AM
$40 for one amateur site? that's way overpriced
Do you have an affiliate program?
Rach_69
03-20-07, 11:41 AM
I dont think it is over priced. It is exclusive content and people have the choice of either paying or not seeing. Bottom of the line is that by the time they get to the join page they will be thinking with their penis anyway.
Exactly, well said!! thank you!
Scotty.T
03-20-07, 11:54 AM
Good luck with it. Looks like you have some good stuff on there.
I've got to agree with Rob though. I think the price is excessive. I am not that familiar with the niche but the ones I am aware of are in the $29.95 area, but who knows, it may work for you. :)
AllRuth
03-20-07, 12:50 PM
Exactly, well said!! thank you!
I'm sure you don't need more reassurance but... stick to your guns with the site pricing! :) Good luck with it too :thumbsup:
Rach_69
03-20-07, 01:17 PM
I'm sure you don't need more reassurance but... stick to your guns with the site pricing! :) Good luck with it too :thumbsup:
Thanks Ruth!
Fabulous site by the way!
Rach x
Video Rob
03-20-07, 03:39 PM
lol, what is it about this board??
There's absolutely no question about it, you're site is overpriced!!
How do you define overpriced?
Surely if people will pay for it, it's not overpriced?
Going on 'other sites' isn't really meaningful is it?
I have to agree with rob also someone could go and join tac1 or tac2 and get a fuck load more pics and videos, more updates for $30 a month
How do you define overpriced??
One girl i no sells zips the frist zip was $30 i did about 30 sales to that zip the next one she released was $50 ive made a whole 2 sales :banghead:
thats overpriced
chris@uk-pornogirls.com
03-20-07, 04:12 PM
I have to agree with rob also someone could go and join tac1 or tac2 and get a fuck load more pics and videos, more updates for $30 a month
Yep but TAC1 &2 wouldn't have Rachel on it, for people to join a single girl site they must really like the girl who the site is based around. All the members of Rachel Reveals will be big fans of Rachel.
Its a bit like saying don't pay £12.99 to watch pay per view footy when you can watch if free down the park. If you think its quality and your thing price shouldn't be a consideration.
Nice site Rachel by the way ....should do really well.
People want what they want. If they want in they will gladly pay.
xcite-tv
03-20-07, 04:39 PM
whats the most money you can get for any given article/service ?
whats the most money you can get for any given article/service ?
The amount people are willing to pay
Yep but TAC1 &2 wouldn't have Rachel on it, for people to join a single girl site they must really like the girl who the site is based around. All the members of Rachel Reveals will be big fans of Rachel..
Tac 1 and 2 have solo girls on there you just get access to others, it doesn't mean they will check the others out does it, but the enticement is there to get more bang for your buck.
Its a bit like saying don't pay £12.99 to watch pay per view footy when you can watch if free down the park. If you think its quality and your thing price shouldn't be a consideration.
Nice site Rachel by the way ....should do really well.
You on crack? I compared amateur sites against amateur site, you compare professional football with sunday league still drunk men
:banghead:
xcite-tv
03-20-07, 04:45 PM
The amount people are willing to pay
no the amount you ask... once you have asked you cant go up..only down
Scotty.T
03-20-07, 04:59 PM
How do you define overpriced?
Surely if people will pay for it, it's not overpriced?
Going on 'other sites' isn't really meaningful is it?
I hear what you are saying. At the end of the day if someone wants it badly enough then they will pay for it.
My comparison was made between like for like sites and what they are offering or at least appear to be offering and it is certainly at the top end of the price range.
The main difference between all the sites is the model though and that is why someone may join at the end of the day.
Elisha Jade
03-20-07, 05:16 PM
no the amount you ask... once you have asked you cant go up..only down
That's not always true... When I started my site I charged $14.95 for a months access recurring. Most of the "BBW" market was. I came across solo girls charging $29.95 and thought why are we selling ourselves so cheap so I increased my price to $24.95 recurring and $29.95 non recurring. My signups increased, not decreased :)
chris@uk-pornogirls.com
03-20-07, 05:29 PM
[QUOTE=Grisey
You on crack? I compared amateur sites against amateur site, you compare professional football with sunday league still drunk men
:banghead:[/QUOTE]
Nope no crack ..tho i did have a paracetamol with my mid morning tiffin
WordsforHire
03-20-07, 05:31 PM
Dont people associate price with quality? I know in a lot of other indsutries they do.
Take a wedding dress - you can buy a cheap £50 dress but you'll never admitto it because you yourself think it can't be that good. Or you can go and spend a grand on a very similar one but because it is overly expensive you assume it is of the highest quality, best thing since slied bread, it's gotta be good if you're paying that mic right?
One thing I noticed is that on the join links it says join for £20.
Now for anyone not payig attention that could very well be $20. Of course if they read it properly but once their at the actual sign up page, have dug out their credit card and got their cock in their hands eager for a toss they're not exactly (or I wouldnt think hey would) put their cock back in their pants and search around for more sites similar that are cheaper?
Video Rob
03-20-07, 06:10 PM
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Has DV been passing his crack pipe around or something?
There's no argument here. That site is overpriced, and because it's overpriced it's not going to rebill well (which is where the money is in solo girl sites) and you're going to see chargeback’s.
xcite-tv
03-20-07, 06:20 PM
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Has DV been passing his crack pipe around or something?
There's no argument here. That site is overpriced, and because it's overpriced it's not going to rebill well (which is where the money is in solo girl sites) and you're going to see chargeback’s.
overcharging for porn ??? cant be true
you can still go and buy a DVD of dubious age and origin in some sex shops for £60...
if you can get $40 for a months membership then fuck what anyone says..
i did say if
Dont people associate price with quality? I know in a lot of other indsutries they do.?
Bangbros $5 join fee, amazing quality sites :)
I wish people wouldn't compare porn to main stream :banghead:
If it does well, then the price is right. If it sucks wind, then it may be overpriced.
IMHO it is over priced, but I have been wrong many times in the past. I put my prices up by thirty percent and my sales increased with no charge back issues. So that logic does work.
However, there is a very cautious economic climate at the moment that we all have to deal with. not sure how it is affecting the UK, market, but I do feel it over here in everything from house prices to car sales. the price of gas is always a good indicator of where the economy is going and at the moment it is high and going higher.
I will be very curious to see if this site flies at this price, because if it does, it bodes well for all of us to make more money.
BTW, nice looking site.
Rach_69
03-20-07, 07:15 PM
lol, what is it about this board??
There's absolutely no question about it, you're site is overpriced!!
Thanks for your opinion!
Rach xx
Rach_69
03-20-07, 07:19 PM
My site has been live now for 5 days, and in that time i have already had a fair few members join, so its cant be that bad!!!
thank you for all your positive comments on the site
Rach xx
WordsforHire
03-20-07, 07:24 PM
Bangbros $5 join fee, amazing quality sites :)
I wish people wouldn't compare porn to main stream :banghead:
You can't think for every single surfer out there, some people DO still associate price with quality, it's the same for everything.
Dear lord people eve compare it with fucking beans, why should porn be any different. I'M not comparing it - I do think it is overpriced for the style of content and the style of site BUT if she can get members in, and keep them happy why shouldnt she charge that amount? More money for all of us at the end of the day.
While I agree the sites looks great ... I do have to agree with the others that it is overpriced, somewhere between $25 - $30 per month would be about the correct range.
Your sign up link also says £20 per month, but if you follow through to the currency selection it actually works out at £21.62.
Best of luck with it nevertheless :cheers2:
Cardinal_Sin
03-20-07, 07:39 PM
It's all about rebills - Having the right price makes successful webmasters several thousands of dollars each and every week - Get the entrance fee wrong, and you'll get very few rebills -
You can't think for every single surfer out there, some people DO still associate price with quality, it's the same for everything
There is probally alot of "surfers" that have signed up to a site for $30 and found the members area empty, so you think they will take a risk with $40 ?
The only way they would is if you opened the members area up paul markham style ( can't believe i just said that haha) .
Scotty.T
03-20-07, 07:44 PM
Now I don't normally like to stereotype people but I am spotting an interesting trend here.
Of the people that think it is overpriced, going off of the 'location' we have 3 Scots, 1 Yorkshireman and Grisey who I know is tight anyway :gaylords:
WordsforHire
03-20-07, 07:46 PM
There is probally alot of "surfers" that have signed up to a site for $30 and found the members area empty, so you think they will take a risk with $40 ?
The only way they would is if you opened the members area up paul markham style ( can't believe i just said that haha) .
ssshhh his board tracker will pick that up and he'll be over here telling everone how his 'five dolla' sites rule or something....
Yeah and what about those first time buyers?
Or those that have signed up to sites like Rach's before with loads of content? They might think hey, it must be an even better site as it costs more, surely they wouldnt charge that much for shite.
It works both ways, neither of us are right.
I think personally, it's too much but if it works it works.
Maybe in 6 months time re evaluate and decide then whether the site could have made more sales/rebills, compare it to some of the other sites around and if the answer is yes, the Rach will need to put the price down to up the profit. Sometimes it's just trial and error but if it works it works...
Kinky John
03-20-07, 08:23 PM
i just laughed earlier, cus Damians a funny bloke
but i forgot to congratulate Rachel on the launch of her site,
and for and sparking this topical debate over join prices,
while i''m here, i'll just chirp some stuff on the subject
just scroll if you can't be arsed . . fancied a bleat
soooo . . ultimately we can only generalise,
as the motivation to join any given site is personal to each tosser
those that are prepared to pay that amount - will
those that aren't - won't
imo many surfers currently have a 20-30 dollar price expectation regardless
based on all the 19.95's 24.95's and 29.95 joins they see everywhere
For them to easily pay more you need to be offering something different
or extras that add value in their mind . . and that is not necessarily
defined by the sheer "quantities" of content you make available,
if you have just "something" of value that the member doubts he will
find elsewhere, then that could still mean a rebill, if you're 'under his skin'
imho some of the perceived weaknesses in single girl sites,
as compared to mixed model paysites, are actually their
strengths if exploited fully . . so the surfer always sees
the same model, but she can then interact in ways mixed
sites could never . .
i just think the buy/sell psychology involved in single
girl sites is more personal & interesting, so the direct
comparison with multi-sites cannot be made . .
how can WE put a price on what HE will pay to see
& interact with the woman of his dreams ?
if they succeed in making their members almost "fall in love"
& practically obsess over them, with strong consistent interaction,
then that makes for some seriously loyal retention and big bucks.
the handfull of US girls that make "silly" money are very PR and image
conscious, their stuff is choreographed to push certain wanker buy buttons
that appeal to the widest public possible, some very clever bios & niches,
and some increasingly clever marketing . . personally i think some
of it is too slick to be sexy, but it sells well
one last thing . . there are "financial servitude" sites run by women
who don't update, just a few pics, but they demand their bills get paid
by rich geriatric idiots behind their computers playing cyber sugardaddy,
if you priced a SG site at $400 a month, some knob will join it eventually
anyway, good luck again with your site :kissass:
Rach_69
03-20-07, 08:32 PM
well sign-ups ALL day today so im VERY happy!!
Rach xx
ukbukkake
03-20-07, 09:10 PM
Just my :twocents: but why are all the photo thumbs sending straight to the join page?
How come you decided against clickable thumbs?
I would have thought, and maybe Im wrong, that guys want to be able to see the photos bigger/close up? Even if they are a reduced quality compared to the members area?
overcharging for porn ??? cant be true
you can still go and buy a DVD of dubious age and origin in some sex shops for £60...
if you can get $40 for a months membership then fuck what anyone says..
i did say if
Agreed. Something is worth what people are willing to pay.
Nice site though. Is there an affiliate program??
I think we work in the boutique end of the business. It is almost always more expensive to shop in boutiques, but you get exactly what you want without having to search through aisles of shit you don't need. So quantity is not the issue. Quality is. Not tech quality as much as that elusive "erotic" quality which differs from person to person. Guys don't buy porn because they "want" to. They buy it because they "have" to. And if you can provide the exact product that makes your site irresistable, then they will whip it out....their credit card. Then comes the real test. Can you keep them "cumming" back. Can you prevent their purchase "regret" which causes them to charge back. That will be the test of Rachel's site. I still believe the price is too high by 25% and that opinion is formed by comparing it to a ton of similar sites. However, I don't know what she is selling. To be a success in this business, your USP is not always obvious to those who don't "get it". I know in my business, everyone thinks I do nylons fetish sites. That is only a small part of why we do well. So in Rachel's case, there may be something we are all over looking. I truly want her to do well at forty bucks. It can only be good for everyone in the business.
It's all about rebills - Having the right price makes successful webmasters several thousands of dollars each and every week - Get the entrance fee wrong, and you'll get very few rebills -
what silly bollocks above said. But it goes further than that, if the affiliate doesnt believe it will rebill because of the price or anything else he wont send traffic. Price is a consideration when a customer decides whether he wants to be a member 3 months down the line, unless you have a huge amount of updates on the go
I dont think it is over priced. It is exclusive content and people have the choice of either paying or not seeing. Bottom of the line is that by the time they get to the join page they will be thinking with their penis anyway.
what about two months down the line? You dont believe pricing is an issue ever? Even when deciding whether to carry on his membership?
How do you define overpriced?
Surely if people will pay for it, it's not overpriced?
Going on 'other sites' isn't really meaningful is it?
Yes it is, porn is as competitive as any other market. If you want affiliates to send you traffic and you are using the partnership model, then they want to believe that the site will rebill, if they dont think it will they wont send.
If you want affiliates you have two people to sell to, the affiliate and then the surfer. Its not all about selling to the surfer.
Yeah and what about those first time buyers?...
First time buyer don't just join the first site they see, they surf for a while, so most probally they would pick a site with more info on what they get for there money.
Or those that have signed up to sites like Rach's before with loads of content? They might think hey, it must be an even better site as it costs more, surely they wouldnt charge that much for shite.
Rachel's tour and join pages don't say how much content there is or even if she updates her site :banghead:
I don't disupte that it will make sales
SmithsMedia
03-21-07, 12:23 PM
$40 - if this worries anyone in the UK ie that a punter will pay $40 to enter a site get used to it, given the VAT issues recently thats what its gonna cost a UK punter to get into UK paysite inc VAT.
With regard to the price rachel is charging its important to understand her market / niche user - they are not interested in joining a web site that has studio produced content, HD movies with daily updates blah blah.
The users tend to be active in or want to become active UK swinging dogging scene, want to see what REALLY happens, found out how to get into and where the meets are around the country.
Real Punting - they could charge $50 per month and people would still join and stay quite simply because they are not just selling content.
Both of these sites attract people who live a 'lifestyle' and that is always good for making revenue online.
In summary Rachels new site gives members more then explicit content and its the information they get from joining that makes the price a fair one. You are more likely to find a dogging event through her for example then joining a bunch of datting sites.
SmithsMedia
03-21-07, 12:27 PM
Yes it is, porn is as competitive as any other market. If you want affiliates to send you traffic and you are using the partnership model, then they want to believe that the site will rebill, if they dont think it will they wont send.
If you want affiliates you have two people to sell to, the affiliate and then the surfer. Its not all about selling to the surfer.
Rachel does not sell porn, she sells information & an insight into swinging and dogging. Like Rossie does not sell porn...... :)
Rachel does not sell porn, she sells information & an insight into swinging and dogging. Like Rossie does not sell porn...... :)
This isnt a porn site but an information site? http://www.rachelreveals.co.uk/
SmithsMedia
03-21-07, 01:19 PM
This isnt a porn site but an information site? http://www.rachelreveals.co.uk/
no its a 'niche' site for swingers & doggers as real punting is a 'niche' site for guys into escorting.
Both have pornographic content though serve a purpose as a resource for people into those perspective lifestyles. :)
no its a 'niche' site for swingers & doggers as real punting is a 'niche' site for guys into escorting.
Both have pornographic content though serve a purpose as a resource for people into those perspective lifestyles. :)
I cant see because the tour never even once mentions it. It only mentions the porn you can see. So what resources are there in side the site for information on how to get in to swinging and dogging?
If the selling point is that is a resource and not a porn site maybe the tour shouldnt link to many many free sites that are very big resources for that exact same thing, that have been going years are huge and are free?
SmithsMedia
03-21-07, 01:51 PM
If the selling point is that is a resource and not a porn site maybe the tour shouldnt link to many many free sites that are very big resources for that exact same thing, that have been going years are huge and are free?
This I think is more of the issue, I went into Rachels site before the redesign, there was plenty of content of Rachel and also sets from dogging & swinging events. Inside was also a large and very detail section that explained where dogging locations were in the UK where she may / did go etc etc.
Now the only way this could have changed is if this site is totally stand along from ADG.
This I think is more of the issue, I went into Rachels site before the redesign, there was plenty of content of Rachel and also sets from dogging & swinging events. Inside was also a large and very detail section that explained where dogging locations were in the UK where she may / did go etc etc.
Now the only way this could have changed is if this site is totally stand along from ADG.
OK so this info she gives out that makes it an information site and not a porn site and that makes it worth more than all the 1000's of other amateur and swinger sites out there, shouldnt that be advertised on the site so surfers can see?
Because currently to me and everyone else it looks like an amateur swinger site with her exclusive amateur porn. Unless you are going to be telling the surfers individually?
SmithsMedia
03-21-07, 02:00 PM
OK so this info she gives out that makes it an information site and not a porn site and that makes it worth more than all the 1000's of other amateur and swinger sites out there, shouldnt that be advertised on the site?
thats what I said above - :)
What it says to me is: "we have fuck all content thats why we have used the same pics so many times on the tour and join page"
Rach_69
03-21-07, 02:26 PM
If the selling point is that is a resource and not a porn site maybe the tour shouldnt link to many many free sites that are very big resources for that exact same thing, that have been going years are huge and are free?
can you please define the many many free sites my tour page links to?!
Rach x
can you please define the many many free sites my tour page links to?!
Rach x
sure, the definition of a free site is a site that doesnt charge.
You have links to alot of other amateur sites and swinger/dogging sites/forums that also have the same sort of info that smiths said was your main selling point. Plus links to sites with the same sort of info. Like for example but not exclusive to
http://www.exhibitionists-uk.com/
http://www.males-afterdark.co.uk/whatever/
http://www.sexguide.co.uk
http://amateurs.adult-traffic.co.uk/sites/index.php
http://www.dirtyukwives.co.uk/proton?ref=rachelreveals.co.uk
http://www.swing-together.co.uk/
If what smiths (not you granted) is saying and your site isnt a porn site but an information site that gives dogging locations and swinging sites, then I would suggest not offering similar or the same info for free from links on your tour
Plus maybe telling the surfers. Because currently to me it looks like a porn site, but smiths is telling us its not, its an information site that has some porn
but smiths is telling us its not, its an information site that has some porn
It can't be a porn site cos no nuts doesn't seem to be offended by it
sure, the definition of a free site is a site that doesnt charge.
You have links to alot of other amateur sites and swinger/dogging sites/forums that also have the same sort of info that smiths said was your main selling point. Plus links to sites with the same sort of info. Like for example but not exclusive to
http://www.exhibitionists-uk.com/
http://www.males-afterdark.co.uk/whatever/
http://www.sexguide.co.uk
http://amateurs.adult-traffic.co.uk/sites/index.php
http://www.dirtyukwives.co.uk/proton?ref=rachelreveals.co.uk
http://www.swing-together.co.uk/
I’m sorry JT but you did not look at the links you listed, 3 of the sites are mine and I don’t run any free websites, and the other 3 sites listed are not swinging and dogging resource sites, and with the greatest respect I do know what I am talking about in this field.
I am sure you are an expert in your own field, likewise I only run swinging and dogging websites and have done successfully for 9 years, have seen a lot a people come and go in this so called niche and a lot of big free sites turn to pay sites and I am not aware of any in the industry which are currently completely free.
With regards to re-bills and what is considered too expensive, we have one single site in our network which re-bills at $98 and has done successfully for 8years now and with less then 1.2% chargeback.
Nige
I’m sorry JT but you did not look at the links you listed, 3 of the sites are mine and I don’t run any free websites, and the other 3 sites listed are not swinging and dogging resource sites, and with the greatest respect I do know what I am talking about in this field.
I am sure you are an expert in your own field, likewise I only run swinging and dogging websites and have done successfully for 9 years, have seen a lot a people come and go in this so called niche and a lot of big free sites turn to pay sites and I am not aware of any in the industry which are currently completely free.
With regards to re-bills and what is considered too expensive, we have one single site in our network which re-bills at $98 and has done successfully for 8years now and with less then 1.2% chargeback.
Nige
Firstly three off those sites are not yours. unless you recently bought this site? sexguide.co.uk :)
The links on her site have plenty of links and forums and links to dogging and swingers and exhibitionists and amateurs. like http://www.uk-exhibitionist.com/ipb/ being only a click away from many of those sites.
Which is by far the biggest resource for dogging and swingers out there in the UK and is free. As well as those sites/links having forums with sections such as "Dogging and swinging Locations" etc themselves
As for your own forum not being free all the forums that are not free and are for members only, not one has over 200 threads. The biggest forum by far has over 3000 threads and is totally free http://www.males-afterdark.co.uk/whatever/
As for price I never once said it was to expensive, smiths pointed out that her site was a resource site and not a porn site, I pointed out there is no mention of that and maybe she should say that. I also pointed out she was linking to plenty of sites on her tour that were either resources for such info for free or had links to sites with such info for free. Which they do.
But that said, your site may rebill at $98 but you failed to point out that was per year not per month. Most of us dont regard $98 membership per year as being expensive.
Rach_69
03-25-07, 08:57 AM
Just my :twocents: but why are all the photo thumbs sending straight to the join page?
How come you decided against clickable thumbs?
I would have thought, and maybe Im wrong, that guys want to be able to see the photos bigger/close up? Even if they are a reduced quality compared to the members area?
whats the point in having clickable thumbs?
surly if this is the case then guys have all the wank material they may need on the free pages...and wouldnt be tempted inside to see the bigger better pics....
Rach xx
daveydude
03-25-07, 11:09 AM
whats the point in having clickable thumbs?
surly if this is the case then guys have all the wank material they may need on the free pages...and wouldnt be tempted inside to see the bigger better pics....
Rach xx
If a guy likes you enough, 10 or 20 pics isn't going to be enough for him to toss one off & then leave without joining. He will want more and more and more. This principle is what puts food on the tables of adult webmasters (or tables in the case of SGS - he is rich enough to have two, with beans on toast on BOTH!).
Free samples give the surfer a better idea quality of pics they're going to get if they join. Be careful what you give away tho - maybe have the really explicit bits blurred or whatever, and have each pic on an html page with sales text, join link etc.
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